Matt Cassel traded to the Chiefs

by Hambone on Feb 28, 2009 1:09 PM EST Comment 66 comments

It looks to me like Pioli is making all the right moves this offseason. He gets a reliable veteran LB in Vrabel and now goes out and gets one of the hottest qb's from last year in Cassel. This is sending the Chiefs right into contention in a very weak division in my opinion. Excellent moves by the Chiefs organization. Now if they can keep Larry Johnson and happy man and keep him healthy, they will have a fighting chance. As you can tell, I am personally very impressed.

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Cassel and Vrabel dont catapult them into contention

if they compete its because their young roster is developing

If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.

by poz on Feb 28, 2009 1:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I disagree.

You add the caliber of player that Vrabel is on defense with his leadership ability that only adds to that team. I also said it could move them into contention in a “weak division”. Not like I was saying they would go to the Superbowl.
Why do people “always” miss the actual points of a post??

by Hambone on Feb 28, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Vrabel has slipped.

He’s been on a steady downward trend since 2005 and is getting old. He’s going to be a leader but his “caliber” isn’t going to put them over the top of anything.

All your tshirt needs.

by twoeightnine on Feb 28, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

His leadership, will help that young team immensely, but he is clearly on the downside of his career.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 28, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

dont think I missed the point of your post

nor do i think it always happens. You open a topic for discussion be prepared to defend your argument is all, friend. I just don’t think Vrabel will have as much impact as he did for the Pats, must be a reason they let him go, age. I also think Cassel is overrated, remember how well Jon Kitna played with the weapons the Lions gave him? I like Jon Kitna, so I’m not saying Cassel is bad, hes a competent QB but the Chiefs dont have enough weapons to make him a major impact QB

If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.

by poz on Feb 28, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What do you want to bet that Crabtree goes to them with the #3 pick now?

I would bet the farm!

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Feb 28, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

good analysis

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on Feb 28, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I bet Aaron Curry does.

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by Kurupt on Mar 1, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure

his foot injury is gonna kill him in the top 5, especially with upcoming surgery. I think K is right and that Aaron Curry goes to the Chiefs where they let Vrabel groom him

If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.

by poz on Mar 1, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Is he throwing to Moss and Welker?

Did Belichick replace Edwards?

All your tshirt needs.

by twoeightnine on Feb 28, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

once again, missing the point i made

in my original post. This isnt about Moss, Welker or Belichick. This is about “Pioli” making the right moves for a team that needs to turn things around. Do you think Belichick does what he has without Pioli bringing in the right guys? Come on man. The point was…..This will help the Chiefs improve in THEIR DIVISION….LOL
On a side note: I do feel they have an impressive young WR in Bowe and obviously one of the best TE’s in football with Gonzo. That in itself makes them better with a viable QB and experience added to their young D.

by Hambone on Feb 28, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think your missing his point. His point was that Cassel is going to dissapoint without the weapons that NE has and without the great coaching that NE has. I think Cassel is barely an improvement over Tyler Thigpen.

by kaisertown on Feb 28, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

When I am right...

about my opinion at seasons end I would like u to come back and admit it.
I just think its funny that nobody is talking about one of the best young, up and coming wr’s in the league in dwayne bowe being there and they already have one of, if not, the best TE in football.
It only helps them. Hide and watch!!!!

by Hambone on Feb 28, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Chiefs need their Welker now.

I wouldn’t crown yourself some prophet just yet though, Cassel has to prove it outside of the Belicheck system….

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by Kurupt on Feb 28, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed!!!

Definitely not a prophet. My point is that I think this kid is good enough to “help” build for the future in a “weak division”.
NE got hosed just like Brian said.

by Hambone on Feb 28, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Deal Roscoe Parrish to them!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 28, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Assuming that Cassel can stay healthy, he could make a run at the league record for most sacks in a season. He led the league by getting sacked 47 times last year and that was behind a line that never had much of a problem keeping Brady on his feet.

Sure Dwayne Bowe is a great player and Tony G still has some gas left in the tank, but I think Cassel throws way more picks and just turns the ball over a lot in general next season. If KC’s passing attack improves a lot, I will gladly say that I was wrong, but I have just never been that impressed with Cassel when I have seen NE play.

by kaisertown on Feb 28, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Being sacked is one thing, but, you can also attribute that to an offensive line that did not live up to their billing last year and a young qb that was thrown into the starting position.
What I would like to point out is that over the first 8 games he averaged a QB rating of 87.4, 195 yd passing and a 1/1 td to t/o ratio. The 2nd half of the year was a bit different. This kid took off. QB rating of 95, 265 yd passing and a 3.5/1 td to t/o ratio. IMO, he grew up quite a bit and proved his worth in that type of system.

by Hambone on Feb 28, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Best part of this for the Bills

is that Sanchez could slip to us at #11 if SF does not take him. The Bills phones should be ringing off the hook with teams looking to deal for the pick, which is exactly what the Bills need…more picks!!!!

Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?

by Joe P. on Feb 28, 2009 1:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Wouldn’t teams just try to move ahead of SF to ensure they get him then?

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by Kurupt on Feb 28, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Many think Mike S. will want to go with a defensive pick,

and will probably take whoever the Bills have as their targeted pick at DE. SF might not want to trade out in that case.

Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?

by Joe P. on Feb 28, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This doesn't help us

because the Pats will also get the number three pick—they always seem to be able to grab first round picks even last year when they lost theirs! We can’t even trade down in the first round and get more picks and they just keep adding to their roster high picks that always seem to work out for them.

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by BILLS on Feb 28, 2009 1:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Tom Curran at NBC.com is reporting that the #3 pick is NOT involved in the trade.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 28, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Say what??? It has to be

has to be involved? doesn’t it? I think the Pats and Chiefs agreed to this trade right after Pioli went to the Chiefs.

THIS IS COLLUSION AT IT’S FINEST

The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.

by Cutter3636 on Feb 28, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I would be SHOCKED if #3 isn’t involved. Maybe the Pats get Chiefs next year’s first pick. I REALLY HATE the Pats more than I hate the Fins.

The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.

by Cutter3636 on Feb 28, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, prepare for shock, because it’s a second-rounder. It’s up pretty much everywhere.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 28, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

wow

well good trade for both sides either way

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by Kurupt on Feb 28, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Latest is that it was Cassel AND Vrabel for a 2. Sounds like NE got hosed to me…

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 28, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

All I have to say is....

Exactly!!!!!

by Hambone on Feb 28, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If you're a GM why would you give up anything for Cassel?

The Pats were in between a rock and a hard place and teams knew it. $30m on the roster for 2 players that can only play one at a time plus no cap space? Plus some decent draft options and players like Warner out there who have proven that they aren’t a one year wonder.

All your tshirt needs.

by twoeightnine on Feb 28, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And let me remind everyone that KC is going to have to give Cassel a huge contract now. Collins just somehow got 7.5 mil per season. If Cassel were just a FA and you didn’t even have to give up any compensation, I wouldn’t give him the contract he is about to get. Throwing in the 34th pick in the draft seems like KC is giving up a lot.

by kaisertown on Feb 28, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe

Maybe they planned to release Vrabel.

Don’t forget NE would have had to pay Cassel $14M if they didn’t trade him. They didn’t have as much leverage due to that.

The 2nd is also what, the 34th pick, or so? Not bad.

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by Kurupt on Feb 28, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

wow

did get hosed for sure

If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.

by poz on Feb 28, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Way to soon to tell who hosed whom

What if Cassel plays like the 7th rounder he is? What if Brady isn’t the same?

Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?

by Joe P. on Feb 28, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

nah

14 mil for Cassel? Pats as usual are doing the hosing. Vrabel is old, and they through the tag on Cassel, and it isn’t a big risk because he is only under contract for a year right? or does the tag evporate and they have to punch out a new deal?
If anything, this is like insider trading if the tag goes away. It scared off other teams, they weren’t going to resign him, and then Pioli got his man. And the 34th pick isn’t bad. Pats have three 2nd round picks now

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on Feb 28, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I saw on the 11:00 sportscenter that Michael Smith said that NE wanted to include Vrabel in the deal to clear up cap space and basically because they didn’t really even want him on the team anymore. Vrable would be the oldest player on the Bills roster and other than Brian Moorman, it would be by a few years. I’m not sure how we are the only ones who thought NE made out like bandits in this trade.

by kaisertown on Mar 1, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, apparently NE isn’t as dominant as we all thought. I giggle at the thought of franchising a guy and losing 2 key players for 1 2nd-rounder.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 28, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hosed

I hoped they get hosed repeatedly for BELLICHEAT!!!

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by Cutter3636 on Mar 1, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Correct.....

a SECOND round pick only….Can you say…WOW….

by Hambone on Feb 28, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Surprised they couldn’t get more, but it is a great deal for the Pats. They get a good year out of a 7th rounder then trade him for a 2nd, what 3 years(???) after drafting him. It’s a good deal for both sides, but I’m surprised that the Pats couldn’t get any more.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 28, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The 2nd round pick is really the 34th pick of the draft. Talent-wise thats equivalent to a late 1st rounder.

by south123 on Feb 28, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

1st rounder in 2010?

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by Kurupt on Feb 28, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I feel vindicated

In my post on Feb 11th where I was suggesting that the chiefs would trade for Cassel, you & MRW were very skeptical…
I guess I am his nephew or maybe he’s mine- haha

In any case it’s nice to know that I called it right!

So my point at the time was that there is a chance that Sanchez will be available at #11 and that the Bears might be interested in tradiong up to finally get their franchise guy, I stand by my position, the Bears could be a great trading partner.

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by keysh67 on Feb 28, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ps this comment was intended for Brian..

original post: Perfect trade partner – Bears

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FEED the BEAST!
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by keysh67 on Feb 28, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

nice keysh

If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.

by poz on Feb 28, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Good call keysh67

I really hope you are wrong about Pettislow at #11 :-)

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by Joe P. on Feb 28, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

A full time 3 down TE is a better option than a speedy pass-catching TE that we cannot use on sweeps & draw plays. What Pettigrew doesn’t have in speed he makes up in size, arm length, body control and great hands.

We would be in real good shape with Pettigrew at 18

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by keysh67 on Feb 28, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

AMEN - Pettislow MIGHT be good but not in his first year

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by Cutter3636 on Mar 1, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You're right about it...

It’s not Pioli’s MO to bring in a free agent QB. He never did it in NE. He helped pick two late round QBs that developed into starting talents. I said based on past history it’s unlikely. For what they paid, they got a defensive leader and stability at QB.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 2, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Funny how the Pats are aging and the Jets have no offense. Will be interested to see how all of this turns out.

The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.

by Cutter3636 on Feb 28, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

That means Tom Brady will be healthy for sure now. Grrrrrrr.

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by Kurupt on Feb 28, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

That’s exactly the first thought that popped into my mind when I heard of this trade.

by krytime on Feb 28, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Why are some of you so surspried that NE “only” got the 34th pick in the draft.

I’m surprised they were able to get that much for an average QB who will now have to be given a huge payday.

I disgree that Pioli has been impressive so far in KC. Vrabel is turning 34 this summer. He has had more than 10 fewer tackles then the season before for 3 consecutive years. He is huge and is an average middle linebacker in a 3-4 or a below average rush LB in a 3-4. He should help the players already on the roster transition to a 3-4 (if that’s the plan, I’m not sure why you bring him in if you are sticking with a 4-3).

In a few seasons, I think we will all be looking back at this Cassel trade thinking that the Pats ripped them off. I think he will be a decent QB there, but he isn’t taking that team anywhere and he will never live up to contract that KC will now have to give him. I think that history will show that this trade pushes KCs rebuild process back a few seasons.

by kaisertown on Feb 28, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Bye, Panda.

Bryant Johnson to Detroit: http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/02/lions-add-another-johnson.html

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by Fort Worth on Feb 28, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I’m a sad Panda

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by Kurupt on Feb 28, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not expecting the Bills to be stupid spenders like Dallas, Washington, Oakland, etc.

but I would like to see something to improve the roster before the draft.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Feb 28, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Would be nice, wouldn’t it? Hopefully, they’ll do something in the next few days. I’d be sick if all they did was sign Fitzpatrick and maybe Hangartner….

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by Kurupt on Feb 28, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’d be ok with this if we could count on them having a strong draft. Not sure we can count on that though.

by thefourwinds on Feb 28, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Really, it's not too much to ask.

Don’t spend just for the sake of spending (Kelsay, Dockery, Royal). Do it right.

They already missed out on Jason Brown. Coles probably isn’t coming back. Once a player leaves without signing a contract, they usually don’t come back. What about Matt Birk and Sean Jones? OBD won’t do it, but if healthy, I would bring Angelo Crowell back.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Feb 28, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs