Schobel holds keys to Bills' D efforts in 2009
In August of 2007, the Buffalo Bills handed out the (then) richest contract in team history when they signed DE Aaron Schobel to a 7-year, $50 million contract with $21 million in guarantees. The record-setting contract guaranteed the base salaries of the first four years of Schobel's deal, which amounts to $17.525 million ($12.525 million of which has yet to be paid). The deal cemented Schobel's status as a likely "Bill for life", and it rewarded Schobel for a solid career in which, up until the point the contract was signed, the end had averaged a hair over 10 sacks per season.
Long story short, in two full NFL seasons since the ink dried on Schobel's deal, the Bills have gotten just 21 games, 7.5 sacks, five forced fumbles and one serious foot injury out of Schobel.
Now, with the Bills facing a "playoffs or blow it up and start from scatch" ultimatum in 2009, it's Schobel - a player that many Bills fans are conflicted over - that holds the keys to Buffalo's defensive success next season.
Schobel's foot injury
2008 marked the first season in which Schobel did not appear in all 16 games in a season in his entire eight-year NFL career. The Lisfranc foot injury he suffered - an injury that occurs in the arch between toes and ankle - is the type of injury that takes months to heal. Schobel made a valiant effort to return to the Bills' lineup prior to the end of the regular season, but ended up on IR as his foot could not heal to the point where he could bear the pain of even a workout.
It was announced yesterday, however, that Schobel will not require off-season surgery to repair the issue. According to the report, Schobel is largely pain-free right now and believes that he'll be completely healthy by the time training camp rolls around this July.
If Schobel is correct, it's the best news we've heard about him in quite some time. Even prior to his season-ending injury, many Bills fans believed that Schobel had begun his descent down the slippery slop that is being a 30-something in the NFL.
Can Schobel regain former impact?
When Buffalo transitioned to a Cover-2 defense upon the arrival of Dick Jauron and Perry Fewell in Buffalo in 2006, Schobel quickly adjusted to the new defense by posting his best season statistically (14 sacks, four forced fumbles) and earning his first Pro Bowl invitation. In 2007, his sack total dropped by more than half, and he in general lacked the impact that he had had during the early portion of his Bills tenure. 2008 was looking bleaker prior to his injury, with Schobel picking up just one sack in Buffalo's first four games.
The biggest question marks surrounding Schobel, unfortunately, do not surround his ability to recover from the aforementioned foot injury. The true concerns center around whether or not Schobel is amidst the final decline of a solid, productive career. While Bills fans wonder if Schobel can ever be the steady contributor he once was again, Schobel himself has repeatedly (and adamantly) opposed the idea that he's on the decline.
“I don’t want to just be an average player,” [Schobel] said. “I want to feel like I’m one of the best, if not the best, and that’s how I’m going to prepare and that’s the mindset I’m going to take into (the off-season). Hopefully it works out that I prove people that think I’m over the hill wrong.”
Prophecy or denial? That's the big question here. Regardless of the answer, Schobel's contributions next season will be the tipping point between typical (read: very average) Bills defense and a potential Top-10 unit.
Like it or not, Schobel's the centerpiece
Any Bills fan that pays even the slightest bit of attention knows where the Bills need to get better defensively. Even when Schobel is healthy, the team's pass rush ranks amongst the league's least explosive. Safety play has been incredibly average. Depending on what happens with fellow IR-buddy and unrestricted free agent Angelo Crowell, strong-side linebacker is a need. The team could still use some help in its defensive tackle rotation.
Buffalo could go out and fill every one of those needs tomorrow and then some, and do it in an incredibly satisfying way to both the coaching staff and the fan base. That wouldn't change the fact that success hinges on Schobel in 2009. Even if the Bills were to find an impact rookie at defensive end, Schobel still needs to play the bookend role well. Even if the Bills find playmakers for their holes in the back seven, they'll need Schobel's pass rush to achieve the greatest payoff.
It's in the contract; it's in the investment. It's in Schobel's established credibility. It's in the methodical pace at which the Bills choose to address their holes, particularly under the current regime. Rookies and free agents can only help so much. This is a critical off-season not only for Schobel, his goals and his injury, but by extension for the entire defensive success the Bills hope to enjoy next season. No matter what, he remains the centerpiece of Buffalo's defense. Like it or not, it's the veteran end that holds the keys to success or failure in 2009.
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The answer depends on the FO
Brian, I’m not trying to change the blog or complain about coaches or the front office, but if the FO gets us a competent bookend(DE) for Schobel and an OLB with speed thru FA and or the draft it will improve the whole defense. I believe Schobel will be healthy and he wants to prove the money was well spent, but without help in the front 7 (pass rushers) expect 4-6 sacks in 09 with help 8-10 sacks
by tomsbills on Feb 5, 2009 9:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious why such a big difference.
Schobel will probably be double-teamed either way so why such a big change from “without help” to with help" in your opinion?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 5, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking on passing plays
1. With a Brown (draft) on the other end, an Dansby (FA) backing the rookie up, they would need to be doubled most of the time. 2. Teams would have to actually have to prepare for our defense and with most of the holes filled and a few blitz packages thrown in. Schobel would find himself with more 1 on 1’s then he has seen in a while. This is just an opinion
by tomsbills on Feb 5, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK.
But if we bring in Dansby we aren’t drafting a guy this year probably.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 5, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Were are we going?
Are we drafting different needs if we were to get Dansby (UFA)? Wouldn’t we still want a stud DE or T? Dansby shouldn’t cost us picks if he’s a UFA, right? or do we trade for Dansby if the Cards put the Franchise tag on him, again. I don’t want to trade for Dansby especially since the franchise tag is costly
by tomsbills on Feb 5, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I misread it.
Dansby is an OLB so how would he be backing up a rookie? I didn’t get that. He will be starting at SAM if we get him.
Do you mean playing behind him and blitzing?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 5, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My point wasn’t that Schobel’s stats will be better with help. My point was that even if we’re able to add everything we need to fill holes, it’s still going to be Schobel’s play that provides the tipping point between good and great.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 5, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: "tipping point between good and great"
I think that is a very good comment; very fair to say the least. If he can come back next year 100% healthy, and without having lost too much of a step, his return may be a huge boost to the team.
This is a very underrated topic, if you ask me. Nicely addressed BG…
by krytime on Feb 5, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which
is why Schobel needs to be part of rotation where he isn’t asked to play the majority of the snaps. He needs to be kept fresh. He relies on his motor, and the older he has gotten the more that has slowed down. They need a 5 man DE rotation. Schobel should play ~50% of the snaps. I know you want a guy that you paid $21 mill guaranteed an every down guy but you can’t afford to risk losing him for the year, and his productivity will increase if he is limited in his snaps. Draft a Rookie high, that’s fine. Then with Schobel, Denney, Rookie, Ellis & prolly Kelsay, you have some youth to throw in there. Problem with any rookie is they ain’t going to stop the run as well as Schobel can….
Schobel, I don’t think he can regain his 10+ form. Seeing him in NFL Films last year in his first 4 games, he joked/seriously about being old, not having the strength, etc….I think he has lost a step. Unless he is a workout warrior this off-season Schobel is nothing more than a piece to the already super complicated bills puzzle
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by MARVelous on Feb 5, 2009 9:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right he needs to be part of a rotation.
If Chris Ellis or a rookie can come in and be that fourth guy, all four DEs will be better especially the 30 year olds.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 5, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are absolutely right MARV
Schobel should be kept fresher. I do think that he can still be a 10+ sack guy.
Professional players often go though slumps and we are often too quick to send them packing…
As an example:
Strahan played for 15 seasons and had a few slumps along the way. Actually in his 7th (1999) he had a miserable 5.5 sacks coming off a 15 sack season in 1998, then in 2000 he had 9.5 9.5 sacks and then he went back to probowl caliber play recording 22.5, 11 & 18.5 in the three following seasons.
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by keysh67 on Feb 5, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll never live up to the contract but he deserved it...
They were paying him for past production and potential for the future. They got past production (so far) which is fine by me.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 5, 2009 9:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Really good teams don’t reward past production. Elite teams don’t even reward future production; just what the guy is doing right now.
by Ron From NM on Feb 5, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, by that definition, the Bills are an elite team, because they paid him right after he picked up 14 sacks in a season.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 5, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Schobel Contract
was a hugh mistake by the Bills. It is one of the reasons the D-Line and defense in general has played so poorly over the last five years. Schobel at best is an average 3rd down DE. Hopefully the Bills own up to their mistake and sign a DE that can play the position the way it’s suppose to be played.
by gjv on Feb 5, 2009 9:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
How does a contract – ink and paper – determine how a defense plays? It’s not like it’s inhibited us from bringing in talent (see: Stroud, Mitchell, Johnson).
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 5, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Had the Bills not given Schobel that contract, three things would have probably happened: Schobel would have gone to another team, Schobel would have signed a contract more fitting an average third down DE and remained a Bill, The Bills would have found a real DE and we would not be looking for a real starting DE now. All three potential happenings would have been better for the Bills.
by gjv on Feb 5, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I remember correctly, wasn’t it an extension and Schobel already had like 3 years still on his contract when he signed the extension?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 5, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
pretty much.
The deal was kind of out of left field. I’m sure the reason it happened is because Kelsay got a ridiculously large contract. Schobel and his agent probably used all that leverage to get a monster deal.
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by Kurupt on Feb 5, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, at best he is a Pro Bowl DE who plays the run well...
I think you’re way off on this. The contract wasn’t for sacks it was for his complete game and he defends the run and pass. He also can get a lot of pressure but hasn’t recently. Is this “What have you done for me lately?” coming out?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 5, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It might be “what have you done for me lately?” if it were just one season. But when you get little production out of someone for two straight seasons, it becomes a concern. This is not a charity, it’s a football team. Schobel needs to step up BIG this year.
But youth is needed for a couple reasons. Our lineup is getting older with Schobel and Denney in their early 30’s and Kelsay bringing little to the table. They need a tough younger guy that can come in and make some noise. Someone that makes our older guys feel less comfortable in their position, and pushes them to play harder. And at the same time this young guy needs to represent the future of our d-line.
Whether it’s Suggs, Orakpo, Brown, or whoever… we need some new talent.
by bruuuuce_02 on Feb 5, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're killing the guy for missing his first games ever.
He’s never been injury prone. I’m just saying we need to see him back and he is important in the grand scheme of things. If he is terrible this year the pass rush will be terrible.
I think they do need a situational pass rusher to come in, preferrably a rookie. THat way Kelsay can come out on passing downs. I never argued that.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 5, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schobel is key
The Bills need to bring in a young DE in the draft. I think it was Jri111 who posted a fanpost that showed rookie DE production, and it wasn’t very good. If Schobel is healthy and can take some pressure off of the new guy he can be more effective. If Schobel is the Schobel of the last two years…..
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 5, 2009 10:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
we have to hold our breaths
for a leap in Chris Ellis’ play. I know the topic has gone under the radar but we should be expecting proper production from a third round DE now, by which I mean contributing to the pass rush.
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
by poz on Feb 5, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I said it earlier. Look up.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 5, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just saw it
I really think the Bills and the new D-Line coach (who is it again?) should be working extensively with Ellis this off-season and in the pre-season to get him ready mentally and physically for a greater playing role rotationally.
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
by poz on Feb 5, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really did some hating on Ellis this year, but...
This year I’m hoping the kid shows something. I’m willing to give him some slack. I have to remember what I always preach – the most improvement in a young player happens in the off season after their first year. Hopefully, he’ll spend all of his time in Buffalo during the off season, and get himself an “NFL” body, and not just train to put up Mike Mamula numbers. Maybe he’ll respond better to a coach who ins’t a “screamer.” Who knows?
Between him and Schoebel, there just might very well be an increase in the overall play of our DEs this year.
Am I grasping for straws here?
by krytime on Feb 5, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea I think you are grasping
but dont worry we’re all right here with you!
But still, all we really need from Ellis is to come off the bench and put some pressure on the QB to make a difference. Just a few sacks and a bunch of pressures and our d is better. Come on Ellis…
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by poz on Feb 6, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That contract looks more ridiculous every week. How do you guarantee 4 years or salary to a 30 year old DE? Our FO really struck out on that one.
His foot injury concerns me the most. Just because he’s pain free doesn’t mean it’s fully healed. Foot injuries are extremely scary, especially for a DE, so I’m pretty shocked that he hadn’t had surgery. I can just see this flaring up again once he starts going full speed and gets hit. We need to add a lot more depth to the position, that’s for sure.
Why isn’t there a poll answer that includes: “He’s already fallen off the cliff to mediocrity, but may be able to have another decent season or two”???
I still don’t understand how the FO didn’t see this lack of production coming from a hundred miles away.
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by Kurupt on Feb 5, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Come on, K! These ae the same people who signed Kelsay and Denney to extensions, too!
by Ron From NM on Feb 5, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sad and true
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by Kurupt on Feb 5, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: "Foot injuries are extremely scary"
Couldn’t agree more. The foot is huge. If you have a bad wheel, as an athlete, you’re done.
by krytime on Feb 5, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue
he may have been done even before the injury.
by Buffalonian on Feb 5, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
??????
Schobel is a great player and a great pass rusher. That being said, in the NFL today you must have someone on the other side at the other DE position to HELP. There is way too much talent in the NFL now to simply ask one guy on your team to create the whole pass rush. Now ask yourself – during Schobel’s tenure with the team has he EVER had someone to help pass rush on the other side? NO. Every year the coaching staff must come to him and say Aaron you are the guy no pressure. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Now tell me the results of this? If you said 7-9 you hit it on the head.
After all of this has been said his contract is still ridiculous. Simply because for him to notch as many as 10-15 sacks a season to live up to his billing without another talent at DE is ABSURD. Is anyone else listening here? Because if you are you will see a pattern. NO PASS RUSH = NO SACKS OR TURNOVERS.
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by Cutter3636 on Feb 5, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So basically you’re saying that Schobel is underrated because he’s never had help, agreeing with my argument, and doing it in a way that makes it seem like you’re disagreeing?
Honestly, I’m not sure where you’re going with this.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 5, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schobel isn’t great at anything, other than collecting a giant check.
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by Kurupt on Feb 5, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: "collecting a giant check"
I wish I was better at doing that. Sad to say, I don’t get giant checks. But if I ever did, man, I would cash them like an All-Pro. I’d be the best giant check casher there ever was. I can endorse man, I can endorse….
by krytime on Feb 5, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In fact, they should just give him one of those giant Happy Gilmore checks every week.
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by Kurupt on Feb 5, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they did get those HG sized checks every week. Are you saying they don't?
by krytime on Feb 5, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently they do
Luckily I was able to come across this:

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by Kurupt on Feb 6, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!!! Well done K
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by Joe P. on Feb 6, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
K
You couldn’t put some big numbers in there with the dollar amount????
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 6, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was tired
and using MS Paint. There’s only so much I could do. haha
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by Kurupt on Feb 6, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. I especially enjoyed the mysterious silver square floating behind Schobel, right in the doorframe. Made me wish I was rich enough to have silver backgrounds floating behind my head.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t feel like getting rid of that!
Those old ladies are also like 7 feet tall…
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by Kurupt on Feb 6, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, holy crap they are. Laughed about that as well.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schobel, Great, and Pass Rusher are antonyms.
by Buffalonian on Feb 5, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line, the Bills were tied for 3rd least sacks in the league last season, and were 4th worst the year before that. We’re talking less than half the sacks the best teams are producing. Dallas had 59 sacks this year, the Bills had 24. The Giants had 53 the year before, the Bills had 26. That’s really bad.
We need new talent.
by bruuuuce_02 on Feb 5, 2009 3:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We need new talent.
This is exactly why I posted this in the first place. New talent isn’t going to magically make the problem go away, folks. New talent is a must, but the biggest factor to success next season is Schobel returning to form. That’s the bottom line.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 5, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
If Schobel doesn’t return to somewhat of his former self, we are in trouble. Someone said it above… his role should be reduced. And the “new talent” will give him rest and allow him to be more effective while on the field. I would love it if he returned to even 90% of his former self.
by bruuuuce_02 on Feb 5, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
90% of his former self as in 3 years ago? That’s not going to happen. 90% of himself before the foot injury, makes him less than useless.
by Buffalonian on Feb 5, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great point, and it magnifies the need to sign someone like Berry.
by Buffalonian on Feb 5, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the great post Brian
Folks lets face it, a healthy Schobel is the ancker of the deffencive line. Just because he hasn’t lived up to his contract doesn’t mean we should cut the guy, he’s still a starter on just about any team in the nfl.
I still think that he’s on of the best run stopping DE’s in the league and that if Buffalo would have a better all around deffence he would not be double teamed on every play and his numbers would be more impressive.
that being said, a better Schobel means a better bills defence.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 5, 2009 4:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Healthy or not Schobel is no longer an anchor, unless you are referring to an anchor as “something with weight, that restricts movement”,
by Buffalonian on Feb 5, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone assuming a healthy Schobel means a better pass rush and a better overall D?
The pass rush and overall D stunk in 2007 and was mediocre at best before that. The pass rush lacked while he was healthy this year. I just don’t understand why everyone thinks his return will magically improve the D and reduce all these issues we have.
Schobel is past his prime, coming off a terrible injury that could hamper him for the rest of his career, and hasn’t been anything more than an average DE for 2-3 years. He’s not going to help our pass rush that much, though it’ll be better just because Kelsay’s off the field more but that’s not saying much. He’s a complimentary piece right now, and should be treated as such.
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by Kurupt on Feb 5, 2009 9:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I assume that a healthy Schobel and a shiny new DE on the other side (read: Brown or Orakpo) will mean a better D.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 5, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That'd be the plan
but I don’t understand why everyone seems to think the return of Schobel, in and of itself, is going to be a huge factor.
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by Kurupt on Feb 5, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not the return of Schobel in the sense that he’s returning to the field. The return of Schobel as in he actually plays well.
His mere return means nothing. But he’s still the key to the defense.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 6:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Something Schobel has always done well is defend the run...
Say Schobel and Denney are the starters after they cut Kelsay (you’re welsome K). Bring in Ellis and our “shiny new DE” (Thanks Eric) on passing downs to create pressure. I have no problem with that approach. It keeps Schobel fresh so when they pass on “traditional rushing downs” he can still rush the passer but we play to his run defense strengths. Am I making any sense on this?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 6, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I don’t view that as likely to happen. A) Relying on Ellis on key situations is a bad idea, and B) Schobel’s still an every-down end.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But how can we expect that? He was mediocre in 2007 and showed no pass rush ability anymore in 2008. How can anyone expect him to play like he did in say, 2005?
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by Kurupt on Feb 6, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a difference between “expect” and “need”, K. I’m not expecting it. I’m hoping for it. Whether or not we believe he can return to prominence doesn’t change the fact that our defensive success next year hinges on Schobel’s production, and that’s the only point I’m trying to make. Simply filling holes isn’t going to solve the problem.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
Fair enough.
I just can’t get behind anyone thinking the return of Schobel, his presence, actually will result in a much better D.
We do need him to add some production, that’s for sure!
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by Kurupt on Feb 6, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was playing hurt this year
He had 6.5 sacks in 2007 and like I said before, look at strahan in 1999 who had 5.5 sacks after producing 15 the year before. Then he only had 9.5 in 2000 so I’m sure that there were ton of fans calling for his release, calling him a washed up old man past his prime. Then he gets 22.5 the following year and the slump was over!
Who says Schobel is not in a similar place? I like the guy, he is low key and never stops (huge motor) and never complains. I think that he can bounce back.
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by keysh67 on Feb 7, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As Kurupt said earlier...
Starhan was on the right side of 30. He was also coming off three straight pro bowls and two all-pro teams. Those were down years for him and these are for Schobel, but even if he rebounds he won’t come close to Strahans numbers and be solid to mediocre anyways.
I expect him to be solid if he is in a heavy rotation and mediocre if he is an every-down player.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 7, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes we would be better, but only slightly. I actually think if you insert Raji in, instead of Brown or Orakpo we become noticeably better.
by Buffalonian on Feb 5, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am with you on Raji
Collapse the pocket and push the QB towards the DEs in space. That is where the DEs we have can be most effective.
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by Joe P. on Feb 6, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the idea, you know it Joe. I’d love for OBD to go out and sign Haynesworth, man would that be great… Ah back to reality!! The problem that I have with BJ is that this guy seems like a premadonna with no heart. In the Senior bowl during the practices he came out slow (no effort) then when Mayock called him out he came back with two absolutely monster practices where noboby could stop him (Except for Alex Mack.. but I digress) and then in the actual game he was completely invisible.
He seems immature & moody and I am not willing to blow a #11 on that type of a low character player. When he’s hot he reminds me a lot of Warren Sapp and then when he’s invisible he reminds me of McCargo.
Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
Section 336 Row 13
by keysh67 on Feb 6, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good points, but
that is part of the reason he might still be there at #11. He is still a kid. Stroud would be a perfect mentor for him. His performance at the Senior Bowl doesn’t bother me too much. It was just one bad (if by bad you mean he didn’t dominate) game. They get a lot of stuff thrown at them in one week. It could have affected his play.
Teach your children about the four seasons: preseason, regular season, postseason, and off-season
by Joe P. on Feb 6, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you're right
Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
Section 336 Row 13
by keysh67 on Feb 7, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schobel is past his prime
We really do live in a “NOW” society! I think we are giving up on the guy way too quick, look at Strahan’s career
Strahan played for 15 seasons and had a few slumps along the way. Actually in his 7th (1999) he had a miserable 5.5 sacks coming off a 15 sack season in 1998, then in 2000 he had 9.5 sacks and then he went back to probowl caliber play recording 22.5, 11 & 18.5 in the three following seasons.
How can you say with certainty that Schobel is past his prime? Strahan had his best year of his career after his slump and I am certain that many were jumping off the strahan train too in 1999.
Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
Section 336 Row 13
by keysh67 on Feb 6, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Strahan was 27 during that 1999 season. Schobel will be 32 this year.
Strahan was healthy, Schobel is coming off a significant foot injury in which he’s hoping it’ll have healed on it’s own.
Strahan had the one down year. Schobel had 1 full down year and looked even worse while healthy this past year.
Strahan was also a much better pass rusher over his career than Schobel was. Schobel has earned his stats on hustle and grit.
I think this is an unfair comparison….And how many 32 year old DE’s come off a major injury and 1+ unproductive seasons to become a top player again?
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 6, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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