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Potential Bills: OLB Leroy Hill


Seahawks LB Leroy Hill (ESPN.com)

Editor's Note, by Brian Galliford: This post originally aired on February 6, 2009.  Now that the Seattle Seahawks have removed the franchise tag from OLB Leroy Hill, the 26-year-old is now an unrestricted free agent.  Bills COO/GM alluded to the fact that the team would investigate Hill after the NFL Draft; this is a refresher for those who've been here for a while, and a re-post for the newer Rumblers.  End Note

During the process of identifying the Buffalo Bills' biggest positional needs, the Buffalo Rumblings community nearly unanimously listed a pass-rushing defensive end as the one spot where the Bills most desperately needed an upgrade. Tight end, center and outside linebacker closely followed. We have already begun the process of profiling potential Bills free agents; for reference now and in the future, all of these profiles will be available at this link.

With the NFL's free agent signing period set to begin less than one month from today (midnight on February 27), we here at Rumblings are now starting the process of profiling several top-notch free agents that the community has identified as potentially worthy of donning the red, white and blue in 2009. Even after signing LB Kawika Mitchell as an unrestricted free agent last off-season, the Bills still have a need for an athletic playmaker at outside linebacker (especially since Angelo Crowell's return is unlikely). Though he was recently charged with marijuana possession (some might say he pulled a Michael Phelps), Seattle's Leroy Hill is still one of the premiere free agent talents available at any position.  He has struggled with injuries and some limitations to his game early in his career, but as we're about to hear, he more than makes up for his (small amount of) deficiencies.

Leroy Hill
Age 26 at start of 2009 season
6'1", 238 pounds
4-year NFL veteran out of Clemson

With LB Angelo Crowell an unrestricted free agent and likely on his way out of Buffalo (despite his recent public comments), the Bills will once again be searching for an outside linebacker to play in front of the often-overmatched Keith Ellison. With several viable options available at outside linebacker this year, Leroy Hill could be one of the first players, let alone linebackers to switch teams. Playing alongside Lofa Tatupu and Julian Peterson in Seattle, Hill is Seattle's most unheralded linebacker for obvious reasons.  Still, he's enjoyed a productive career, and he's a very good player in his own right.  Seattle is facing serious issues with their salary cap this off-season, so it's expected that that issue combined with the contract Hill is likely to draw will dictate that Hill signs elsewhere within the next month or so.

I'm no authority on the Seahawks, but our good friend John Morgan of Field Gulls most certainly is. SB Nation's Seahawks blogger is one of the better football minds at the network when it comes to X's and O's, and he kindly shared some very interesting takes on Hill recently.

On Hill's most valuable asset
"Leroy Hill is excellent at what he does. His one superstar, otherworldly, stands-out among-the-standouts skill is picking through traffic and flying downhill to the ball carrier. Simple as that sounds, it enables vital abilities.  Run stopping: check.  Blowing up the screen: check.  Blitzing: check."

On Hill's blitzing ability
"Seattle underused him as a blitzer, but he could consistently contribute 5-10 sacks. He’s very quick and agile and though not indestructible as a tackler, punishing."

On Hill's upcoming free agency
"He won’t turn 27 until week two and as a free agent hits the sweet spot where age, ability and value meet. He’s very good, but receives sub-superstar recognition and will receive a sub-superstar contract: Something less than Lance Briggs but more than Cato June." (Ed. note: Briggs signed for 6 years/$36 million/$13 million guaranteed; June signed for 3 years/$12 million/$2 million bonus plus contract escalators.)

More on Hill's on-field skills, including coverage skills
"What Hill doesn’t do is cover like Briggs and June. He’s sloppy in a zone and lost in man. He won’t consistently fight off blockers either, but that’s an oft-mentioned and even more often overvalued quality. Few linebackers effectively fight off hulking offensive linemen and those that do don’t necessarily do much else. Accept his limitations as a pass defender—Seattle did its darndest to covert him into a cover linebacker and though he flashed at times in 2007, he looked to have given back his gains and then some in 2008—and his yearly rash of injuries and you have a top twenty linebacker entering his prime."

Does Hill "Fit the Bill"?
Hill has been a popular name amongst Bills fans searching for potential replacements for Crowell.  Based on Morgan's outstanding scouting report, Hill may not be the perfect fit for Buffalo's defense that many have made him out to be.  Whether we like it or not, coverage skills need to play a part in the acquisition of a new player, and Hill has the sounds of Kawika Mitchell about him in that department - possibly solid, but certainly not great.  However, Hill's skills against the run and on the blitz more than make up for his passing game shortcomings, and any player that improves our pass rush is a worthwhile signing in my book.  Of particular (delightful) interest to me was the fact that Hill does well against the screen; the Bills have been terrible defending that particular play for a number of years now.  That's the icing on the cake for me.

Any thoughts on Hill that you'd like to add? Take a gander at his stat line below and let's talk some about Leroy Hill this afternoon. Many thanks to John Morgan for the valuable insight!

Seahawks LB Leroy Hill
Year G Tk Sk INT FF PD
2005 15 73 7.5 0 2 2
2006 15 92 2.0 0 1 2
2007 14 81 3.0 0 3 4
2008 12 84 1.0 0 0 3
TOT 56 330 13.5 0 6 11

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Well I voted No – then I thought about it a little more and i’m dumb. Anyone who can blitz effectively, blow screens apart and just put pressure on the QB is exactly what i’m looking for. I think we can scheme around his short comings and use him effectively.

so i’m going with a yes (even though i voted no)

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by J2 on Feb 6, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Durablity seems to be a bit of an issue with him also. He has yet to play a full 16 game season in his 4 year career. That is something to take into consideration.

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by sireric on Feb 6, 2009 9:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

With a good conditioning program..

Hopefully we could change that.

Most rumblers seem to agree that we are unable to land superstar players because of $$ & location so we need to be creative and go after second hand players with potential and hope that we can fix the problems…

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by keysh67 on Feb 6, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the bills arent exactly the pillars of conditioning excellence.................

look at the

IR listing for the last few yrs……

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 6, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted Yes

The SLB’s main role in a Tampa 2 is stopping the run. I have not watched many Seahawk games so I don’t know him very well but from the stats, experts & scout reports it sure sounds like he’d be a good fit in Buffalo.
I was so impressed by the way Arizona’s 4-3 came out and completely stuffed the Steelers running game (Fast Willy had 53y on 19 carries) – The way they run-blitzed was incredible. I could see Hill coming in and doing very well for us, if Peewee Fewel can utilize his skills properly!

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by keysh67 on Feb 6, 2009 9:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good post....I voted Yes also.

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by Joe P. on Feb 6, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sign him

I’m on board for this guy. I mean sure he has a few short comings (coverage and injuries) but if we can keep him healthy for lets say 14 games per season and the use him properly to stop the rush and in the blitz then he’s EXACTLY what we’re looking for.

I say 4 years 20 million and performance bonuses and he’s ours.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 6, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

He’d be a good fit. I like his game as well. The team is looking for a blitzing LB and Hill could be that guy. We need to add an active, quick guy to the position and Hill fits that pretty well.

6 year $30M?
5 year $25M?

Those seem pretty fair, maybe even a bit high for him.

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by Kurupt on Feb 6, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

too high to me

But i do like Hill. I think him and Mitchell would be a great combo on the outsides

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Feb 6, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe against the run,

But against the pass our OLB’s will be a liability. Unless we change our scheme, we already have a LeRoy Hill on our team – Kawika Mitchell. Adding another player like that will expose our young secondary more than it already is.

by Renegade23 on Feb 6, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What’s stopping us from playing Bryan Scott, George Wilson or Donte Whitner in some of those short zone roles in certain situations? No NFL linebacker save for the truly elite ones are every-down players. (Which is why I don’t like giving big-money deals to linebackers in the first place…)

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That would basically be a Nickel package. However, teams throw quite a bit on 1st and 2nd downs – and if our Run D greatly improved with Hill on board ideally any competent OC would want to threw against this defensive front a few times and expose Mitchell/Hill. I agree, I just don’t think we need to spend this kind of money on LeRoy Hill.

by Renegade23 on Feb 6, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What about Angelo Crowell?

If Crowell is willing to sign for 4 year $14M, would you sign Hill or Crowell? Keep in mind their previous production and injury history.

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by moncheri on Feb 7, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Crowell will sign a deal ultimately for 4 yars, around 14 mil.

If I am choosing between those two options, I go with Crowell.

But I don’t like either option really.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 7, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow....

How wrong was I huh???? His knee still isn’t healed and teams were leary. Ha.

:-)

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 28, 2009 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crowell will be a getting a 1 or 2 year deal, at most. Guys coming off knee surgery, who aren’t that great to start with, aren’t exactly in high demand. He’ll need to prove himself fully healthy and capable again before anyone gives him a long term deal…

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by Kurupt on Feb 8, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Crowell will NOT be a Bill, so it doesn’t matter anyhow.

I think Hill’s a better player, as well

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by Kurupt on Feb 8, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh wise one....

:-)

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 28, 2009 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed!!

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by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't sign a tender offer that would have given him like 8M right?

Why would he sign for half that?

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 28, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because no one else will pay him that. he’ll have to settle for 5 or 6M bper year.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 28, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the price is right,

sure. As long as this isn’t the “big splash” we think this team is going to make in the off-season.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 6, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It’d be more than the splash I’m expecting. I think we’ll get 2-3 lower-mid tier FA’s. Guys like Brad Meester, Amani Toomer, Nate Webster and the like….

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by Kurupt on Feb 6, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why? Why is that the expectation? Did we not go gung-ho after players last year? Did we not trade for Marcus Freaking Stroud? Did we not sign Mitchell and Johnson within the first 36 hours of free agency? Did we not heavily court names like Bryant Johnson, Marlon McCree and Ben Troupe?

Yeah, some of those guys are mid-tier guys, but it’s not like the Bills have sat back and taken their time in free agency under Jauron. In fact, they’ve been pretty aggressive…

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Other than Stroud, coming off his injuries, how exactly are those guys any bigger or better than the guys I’ve listed?

I don’t think we’ll be bringing in a Dansby, Suggs, Haynesworth, etc….That’s what I’m referring to…

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by Kurupt on Feb 6, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I just got stuck on the name “Nate Webster”. That guy might be the worst linebacker in the league, and I’m pretty appalled you mentioned his name at all. Meester and Toomer would be fine.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t touch him, but I wouldn’t put it past the Bills going after him. This is the same franchise that has brought in Tripplett, Royal, Fowler, among others to be starters and kept Kelsay for big money.

Nate Webster does suck, no doubt about that!

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by Kurupt on Feb 6, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Royal and Kelsay are Pro Bowlers!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 6, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Psst… this isn’t Madden…

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If it happens, i’m going to scream “I’m Ko Simpson! I’m worth millions!”

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 6, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

meester reupped with Jags

besides, we have McKinney and Wood to backup at C

by freddyjj on Apr 28, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That comment was from Feb 6 boss.

:-) You know… before McKinney signed, before the draft, before free agency…

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 28, 2009 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like him

Hill is ranked higher then Mitchell, Poz and even Crowell …. OK, He was arrested for Marijuana possession Jan 23rd, that means we get him cheaper. It looks like the Seahawks are not going to use the franchise tag because of the character issues.
We have a chance at this one, unlike Sluggs,Dansby. Yes i would rather have Sluggs or Dansby, but will we spend our cap on 1 Superstar? or try for 2 or 3 average to above average personnel to fill some holes?

by tomsbills on Feb 6, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

OK, He was arrested for Marijuana possession Jan 23rd, that means we get him cheaper.

Yeah, no it doesn’t. Those types of things, especially when they’re as minor as Hill’s incident, rarely have the type of effect you’re suggesting.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So Brian

what is it that you think the Bills will or should do this offseason? is there 1 particular position/player that OBD should target?

by gatornation on Feb 6, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, oh man, you’ve opened the can of worms.

Priority one has to be Jason Peters (see current front page post). Absolutely has to be. Part of me really wants to trade him, but that’s just the Madden player in me. It’s best to give him the contract he deserves.

The rest is my opinion. But that’s what you asked for, isn’t it? :)

Priority 2: Re-sign CB Jabari Greer.
Priority 3: Extend Fred Jackson.
Priority 4: “Take care” of your own (and by this, I mean release them): TE Robert Royal, DE Chris Kelsay, FS Ko Simpson
Priority 5: Court the following three players as your top free agent priorities (in order)…
                Browns S Sean Jones
                Seahawks LB Leroy Hill
                Ravens C Jason Brown
                Alternative first-wave priority free agents:
                   S: Jermaine Phillips, Vincent Fuller
                   LB: Channing Crowder
                   C: Matt Birk, Geoff Hangartner
Priority 6: Court the following three players as your secondary free agent priorities (in order)…
                Giants WR Amani Toomer
                Bengals QB Ryan Fitzpatrick
                Patriots FB Heath Evans
                Alternative second-wave priority free agents:
                   QB: Joey Harrington
                   WR: Bryant Johnson, Michael Clayton, Nate Washington
                   FB: Tony Richardson
   *Note about FA: Obviously, I’d be pretty aggressive. I’d do my best to get 5 of the six top guys signed.
Priority 7: Really take care of your own (a.k.a. re-signings)…
                QB Hamdan (RFA), OT Chambers, LB Ellison (RFA), LB DiGiorgio (RFA), FS Wilson (RFA)
Priority 8: Fill needs at DE, TE and DT in the draft. Stock-pile picks along the line, which includes TE.

Go ahead. Bash away. I’ll probably tweak this and put it up as a front-page post sometime closer to the start of free agency.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is a very solid plan

No DEs even worth pursuing via FA?

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by Joe P. on Feb 6, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, there are ends I like. Obviously, I’d be crazy not to like Suggs. I like Bertrand Berry and Green Bay’s Michael Montgomery as well.

I’m just of the belief that if you sign free agents, you do it at the skill positions. The best teams draft linemen and build through free agency around that anchor. Of course, the Bills would rather do it completely the opposite of that, but you know, that’s not really that uncommon.

End is just a position I prefer to address in the draft. The potential is better to land an impact player via the draft than via free agency at this position.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s a lot of courting….

You think we’ll have a realistic chance to:
Give Peters a new deal
resign Greer
AND add 2 of 3 from Jones, Hill and Brown?

That’d be nice, but I think that might be shooting a little too high….Who knows though.

Are you sure Fuller is a FA? I can’t find that anywhere other than the SB spreadsheet.

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by Kurupt on Feb 6, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Fuller is a free agent.

Yes, I do think we have a realistic chance to get Peters and Greer done and then target those guys, but only if we cut the three guys I mentioned to create another $10ish million in cap space. I don’t think Greer is going to cost as much as everyone thinks; I think we can have him at a little more than what McGee got (4 years, $18 million, $5 million bonus).

And again, I’m not saying “sign all three of these guys”, just make them the three guys you court hardest. If you get them all, great. If not, there are solid alternatives.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Greer will be expensive at all, either. But some team might think he’s worth it…

If Peters get done and Greer gets a somewhat sizeable deal, how much cash to cap would we have left??? Evans’ $11M+ 1st year salary comes on the books, so I’m not sure that’s included in the 2008 year end salary yet? Maybe?

But cutting the dead weight would really help. Kelsay, Parrish, Royal, McCargo could really help free up a lot of money.

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by Kurupt on Feb 6, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We need a Buffalo Rumblings capologist.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't they add a chunk of Evans's signing bonus to last year's cap?

That would be the smart thing to do is max out whatever they could last year.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 6, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That was what I understood, we still had about 10+ mil on the books then

And a alot fo LTBE incentives on peoples contracts freeing up space for this years Cap as well. We need to wait and see what the official release is after the combine by the NFL and NFLPA.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 6, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i actually like your plan

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Feb 6, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL wow. 3/3. I expected to get crap for me making Sean Jones my top priority.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well we do need a safety that doesn’t stink!

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by Kurupt on Feb 6, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We desperately need a safety

With the scheme Fewell runs, we need very very good safeties. Byron Scott is not the answer. He is a good backup ONLY.

You know I wanted to pick Taylor Mays at #11 until he decided to stay in school for another year. Which baffles me, because then he will be in the same draft class as Eric Berry, whom I think is even better. I think both of them will be future Pro-Bowlers, and Mays will probably be ranked 2nd in that year’s batch of safeties. Wouldn’t that affect signing money? Anyhow, we should focus on this year first….

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by moncheri on Feb 7, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Byron Scott certainly has his value, though.

He covers tight ends very well and plays the run very well. He can cover possession recievers, too. Scott is kind of a 1b player in my book. Good enough to start in the right situation (i.e. against the chargers and browns with TEs and running games).

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 7, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He plays the run a hell of a lot better than Whitner ever has

And he knows how to tackle properly, once again, which is better than Whitner.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 8, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well

the reason why I’d be ok with that is that I do feel we can address DE and C in the draft in a combo maybe of Orakpo/Unger or Mack/Johnson or whatever. I think Sean Jones would be better for a defense in many ways than a stud outside backer, he will offer us range and I think will give Donte a chance for a break out year. Plus, I love Greer and if we go into next year with McGee/Greer/McKelvin/Jones/Wihtiner/Scott we may have the best secondary in all of football. That hopefully will reduce the pain of no pass rush. . I like Amani Toomer, and he is my top favorite mid-tier free agent target. Finally, I’m intrigued by Heath Evans at fullback. I’ve been pushing for Richardson or Neal but was unaware that a division rival has a good, and younger, FB on the market. Well thought out I think. Best case sceanrio draft to complement your moves would be Orakpo/Mack. Of course, thats best case

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Feb 6, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But I’m signing a center. So if I’m drafting a center, it won’t be until the later rounds. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ah

I thought C was your third priority, meaning that you would not pursue them hard. But i see that you would pursue all three hard.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Feb 6, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely. But then again, I’m far more aggressive than the team itself is.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think we're all on board with a playmaking safety

14 INTs, 31 PDs, 2 FFs, 1 FR in the last three years. I could deal with that.

by PozDispenser on Feb 6, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This plan is so solid, Brian should be at OBD helping to get things done.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 6, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I can easily find over $18MM (approx.) that is/should be coming off of the books (Losman, Parrish, kelsey, Fowler, Royal, Crowell, McCargo and Whittle) from these individuals alone.

I think Peters and Jackson are a priority but I’m not as high on Greer as you are. If he can be had for something like McGee’s deal then I would consider. McKelvin will be starting this year so I would hate to give Greer a new deal as our nickel corner.

Jason Brown is an absolute must in my opinion. He won’t be cheap but we won’t have to spend a 2nd round pick on a center either. I would be happy with another FA acquisition, that being either a safety or an OLB.

by gatornation on Feb 6, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hate calling any free agent a “must”, especially when it’s a Jason Brown, who is bound to be one of the hottest names on the market. He’ll have a lot of options.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

by a must

I meant that outside of the organization he should be priority #1. you say a TE would be Trent’s best friend but in a very close 2nd is an above average center.

by gatornation on Feb 6, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I value the retention of Greer on par with Peters. Look, Peters is continually injured, and let’s face it – if that team was going to the playoffs the past 2 years (yeah, feels dirty to say it, I know), Peters isn’t playing. How do you feel paying out the nose for a guy that is injured when you’d need him most?

Am I the only one who thinks his history of injuries is a bit of a concern, especially considering they’ve caused him to miss the end of the season?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 6, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the problem

is Greer has been hurt just as much as Peters while playing less games overall.

by gatornation on Feb 7, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with you here, but...

I wouldn’t sign a ceter so much as try to move up in the draft to make sure we get Mack after picking up a DE with pick #11.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 6, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My only problem with that is that I don’t like starting a rookie at a position as critical as that and asking him to block Vince Wilfork, Jason Ferguson and Kris Jenkins right out of the gate. It is a far, FAR better idea to add a veteran there.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 7, 2009 7:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The other opion is

as i put that up in the Birk story too, would be to sign a vet and the pick up the best available center in the 2nd or 3rd rounds and have Birk groom him for a few seasons… come to think of it, thats a much better plan.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 7, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm, that I would kill for if that was our offseason

Honestly, that would make me one very happy rumbler, and I agree with Brian, there are no FA DE’s that I like enough to outside of Suggs to spend the money on. Besides, with Hill and Mitchell our LBs can get quite a bit of pressure downhill on passing downs.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 6, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like him. He has a skill set that fits us. Pass the bong and don’t let Michael Phelps bogart it.

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by keuka121 on Feb 6, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

please...

“character flaw”? If Obama can do cocain in college then a pro football player can smoke pot. “character flaw?” gimme a break.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 6, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's hear from the "No" voters

Right now the tally is 59 yes, and 53 no votes. However, most of the talk here is decidedly for going after Leroy.

I have been very vocal about Hill, and think he would be the most exciting (realistic) addition from FA. With the vote this close, I am expecting to hear more arguments against signing Hill. I am interested in why there are so many against it.

Is it the pot thing? Does that make him a bad character?

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by the Uncommon Denominator on Feb 6, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so

I think what people are looking at (I know I am) are the hard stats. 6 sacks, 4 FF, 9 PD total over the last three years.

For reference, Crowell and Mitchell last three seasons (2005-07 for Crowell):

Crowell: 7 sacks, 5 ints, 4 FFs, 17 PDs
Mitchell: 9 sacks, 4 ints, 4 FFs, 10 PDs

If I can get him at a reasonable price (Mitchell type money, I suppose), then bring him on. But I don’t want to pay 5 mil a year for a guy thats less productive over the last few years than both Crowell and Mitchell.

by PozDispenser on Feb 6, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The reason for his lower stats is pretty easy to explain

Julian Peterson, as soon as he came to Seattle, the Seahawks made him their full time rush LBer instead of Hill who is much more like the 7.5 scak guy than the 6 in the past 3 years. Having Patrick Kearney and Daryl Tapp as your DEs will also reduce the amount of times he gets to rush the passer. I think his numbers will rebound sack wise when he goes to another team.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 6, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

The stats don’t lie, but they also don’t tell the entire story. Many Seattle fans thought Hill was under-used as a blitzer recently. He might have had more sacks if he had more calls.

I might be fixated on something that is out of reach for the Bills D. I watched the Steelers’ outside linebackers get to the QB all year in 2008. Granted, the backfield on that D gets credit for those sacks, as does the legendary scheme employed. I also realize the outside linebackers in Pittsburgh are of the elite status.

But we all agree the biggest weakness of the Bills D (possibly the whole team) is the inability to pressure the QB. Of course, a DE is the first place to look for production, but a guy like Hill is a great way to get into the backfield with some consistency.

I admit my whole theory rests on the assumption that Perry Fewell and Matt Sheldon (LB coach) find a way to blitz Hill effectively.

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by the Uncommon Denominator on Feb 6, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I liked Hill, and then I didn't...

That little “turkey bag” incident of his makes me think he is dumb.

I think he’ll want something in the 6 per year range, and considering where the Bills are cap wise, I don’t think it’d be a good idea, especially knowing the league will be watching him a little more closely now.

I’m starting more and more to like the idea of switching Poz outside, and getting a cover type MLB, especially if they can improve the depth/talent on the DL.

What are the odds DiGi is th starting MLB inside of Mitchell and Poz this fall? Just curious…

by krytime on Feb 6, 2009 7:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What are the odds DiGi is th starting MLB inside of Mitchell and Poz this fall? Just curious…


More like scenario than Suggs suiting up in that hideous uniform.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 6, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Has there been any news other than they’ll be kicking the tires on him?

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by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not yet

but we were only kicking the tires with TO and then look what happened. So you never know.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 28, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he's the best LB prospect left out there

Then just sign him….we can’t have Ellison as our starter at Gillette.

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by BillsNYC on Apr 28, 2009 6:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I will say this about Ellison...

He is a great football player between the ears. I’ve always liked that about him and other players that Jauron brings in. He has obvious physical limitations but I don’t think he was a substantial liability last year.

Plus against the Pats I expect a lot of nickel packages anyways. He won’t be on the field a lot.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 28, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ellison

just is so bad against the run….he’s ideal in playing man zone coverages. But he just doesn’t do anything exceptionally well to warrant starting at LB for this team. A guy like Hill would help shore up our front 7 which is lacking playmakers.

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by MARVelous on Apr 28, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ellison could not start for any other of the 31 teams

Keith Ellison could not start for any team in the NFL except the Bills!!!!!! Bring in Hill and blow out Simpson and/or Kelsay.

by buffalo69 on Apr 28, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Larry Foote just got cut!

Should we be interested? I prefer Hill and I prefer Crowell but in the absence of both of those guys, would we be smart to bring him in for a look?

Let’s look at the pros & Cons:

He has played in a 3-4 his whole career – CON
He is relatively smallish for a SAM LB – CON
He is decent but not great in all aspects (Against the run or dropping into coverage) – AVE
He leaves everything on the field – PRO
He is a veteran, from an aggressive Defense with something to prove – PRO
He’s a two-time SuperBowl Champion and knows what it takes to win – PRO
Might come cheap, for a 1-2 year deal – PRO

His he worth taking a look at?

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by keysh67 on Apr 28, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I still prefer Hill. Younger, faster, stronger and has expirience as a SAM.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 28, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do too - big time!

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