Bills must avoid Peters holdout at all costs
During the summer months leading up to the start of the 2008 NFL regular season, one Buffalo Bill created the most stressful pre-season environment seen in these parts in quite some time by, quite literally, doing nothing. During OT Jason Peters' prolonged holdout - which lasted until the Saturday before the team's season opener - Bills fans complained about Peters the player, while the Bills themselves scrambled to fill the massive hole his absence created in the starting lineup.
Peters' reason for holding out? Money, of course. Problem is, even after ending his holdout and "earning" another Pro Bowl bid (the second of his career) during the 2008 season, Peters still doesn't have his money. Entering by far their most critical off-season to date (particularly for front office executives and coaches looking for a better job security), Buffalo's front office and coaching staff must avoid a Peters holdout redux at all costs - they've simply got too many other areas to address.
It's important to note, however, that the team's options aren't limited to "sign him" or "prepare for a holdout".
Projecting Peters' potential demands
Bills head coach Dick Jauron has been a rather fervent supporter of Peters in his three-plus seasons on the job. It was Jauron and his staff that initially moved Peters to the left tackle spot in the first place, in the middle of the 2006 season. It's the current coaching staff that has vaulted Peters to elite left tackle status over the past three seasons. Given Jauron's support and the fact that the staff has developed and entrusted him one of the offense's most important tasks - protecting the quarterback - it's very likely that the Bills will make very serious attempts to placate Peters' contract demands.
The popular belief is that Peters' agent, Eugene Parker, will use two recently-signed contracts as launching points for the likely upcoming negotiations: Tennessee's Michael Roos (six years, $43 million, $15 million guaranteed) and Miami's Jake Long (five years, $57 million, $30 million guaranteed). Both contracts were signed in the spring months of 2008; a calendar year later, Peters and Parker can still use these two deals as reference points thanks to a depressed economy and Long's status as the top overall draft pick.
If we're playing on the safe side of things, we can assume that Peters' contract will be for at least five years, contain at least $45 million in salaries, and have at least $20 million in guaranteed money. That would put Peters' potential new deal on par with the contract WR Lee Evans received in October 2008 in terms of average salary ($9 million annually or slightly higher) and guaranteed money (Evans received $18.25 million guaranteed). Those are likely the baseline (read: bare minimum) terms that Parker may be willing to accept for his client. Again, that's playing it conservatively. Left tackles do make more money than any position besides quarterback, after all.
The "Other" Alternative
I mentioned Peters' support from Jauron and the staff. That's an important factor to consider in Peters' situation. However, that support doesn't erase the fact that Peters didn't make many friends during his holdout last season in Buffalo's front office. COO Russ Brandon in particular was pretty fussy during the holdout.
The net result of last year's actions on Peters' part might end up being a trade, should the Bills fail to come to terms with their best offensive lineman.
There have been whispers - and let me emphasize, they are, indeed, highly unofficial, preliminary and unconfirmed whispers - that the Bills have been mentioning Peters' name to league executives in other cities, gauging interest in a potential trade for the left tackle without saying he's on the block. At just 26 years of age, Peters is entering his prime and would certainly pique the interest of GMs around the NFL. The real question is whether or not trading Peters should be considered a viable option for Buffalo.
The "Sign or Trade" Ultimatum
Again, let me re-iterate: Buffalo's top priority with Peters is getting him signed to a new deal. Whether he's the most likable guy or not, Peters is an elite tackle in this game, and if he can stay healthy, he'll continue to get better. He's worth (almost) every penny of a potential new deal simply because he's a gifted talent at a critical position.
The difference between 2008 and 2009, however, is that beyond actually giving Peters a new deal, there can only be one alternative: trading him. Avoiding a holdout is a must, even if it means trading away an elite home-grown talent. A second holdout would be a devastating blow to what is already bound to be a strained relationship thanks to the first holdout. How likely is it that any self-respecting player will give his all to a franchise that has shafted him on two attempts at a new contract? Short answer: it's not likely at all.
That's why the ultimatum for the Bills is sign him or trade him. I'll re-iterate for the third time: signing him is the obvious preference. But if push comes to shove and the two sides can't come to an agreement, it is a far better idea to cut their losses and pick up draft picks for the two-time Pro Bowler as opposed to wallowing through another holdout like last season's and potentially letting him walk away without compensation in another year or so. A second holdout, quite simply, can't be an option, just as receiving no compensation if the worst comes of contract negoations. What happens with Peters is likely to severely influence Buffalo's plan of attack heading into free agency and the draft, so the sooner negotiations begin, the better.
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Have to disagree with this statement here brian
“How likely is it that any self-respecting player will give his all to a franchise that has shafted him on two attempts at a new contract?”
The Bills signed him to a FA contract (after no one wanted to draft him) then gave him a raise to 3 MIL/yr before he had done ANYTHING in the league……….(pro-bowls’ etc) so he didnt get shafted as you say…….yeah now he might be worth more than 3 mil a year (read: he is) but he was paid well beyond his worth before………doesnt mean the Bills owe him anything again……
Now after this offseason I could see your argument for him getting shafted……..but not after the last one….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 6, 2009 1:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I meant. If he tries and fails again over the next few months to get a new deal, he will at that point have been shafted twice.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah okay misunderstood you then
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 6, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, I was in no way being derogatory towards the Bills franchise. I supported their decision last off-season. I wouldn’t support it again.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know that there are some who feel opposite, but I really feel like if the choices are sign Peters or trade him, I choose to sign him. In my book signing Peters and keeping him in Buffalo long term is one of if not THE most important things to accomplish this offseason for the Bills.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 6, 2009 1:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think the Bills will get something done regarding Peters. his talent for the position makes him very tough to give up even considering his holding out. we need to keep the special guys here in place as our “core” and he is definately on our list of young “core” players.
sign him and get this thing done OBD – we dont need any distractions or holdouts from the guy
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by J2 on Feb 6, 2009 1:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can’t see how trading him is a viable option. Yeah, it may come to that, and yeah that’s what Peters might end up forcing the Bills to do. But do I think it’s smart? Do I find any reason to support that? NO!
As you mentioned, the blueprint is in place for the terms of the deal, and I have no reason to believe that Peters doesn’t want to play here anymore. If they can’t hammer out a deal, I’d have to place much of the blame on the team. If Peters is asking for $14M a year or something ridiculous, then it’s obviously on him, but I just can’t see that happening. Nobody is worth that, except a top 3 QB…
Now if the Bills did end up trading him, what exactly does that say to the fan base and the future of the franchise??? We’ve struggled for YEARS to find a capable LT, and now we have a very, very, very good one, potentially great. If we can’t get that deal done and end up trading him for some draft picks, that’s a slap in the face to the fans and the desire to build a winner, in a way. You’ve got a franchise player, pay him! Getting draft picks and having to use one on a new LT, that may or may not pan out, is so counterproductive.
Of course, I am, again, basing this on Peters not trying to become the highest paid player in the league. He may very well want that, which I can’t support the team doing. But if he is looking for $8-10M per season, you’ve got to pay that! They just gave Lee Evans $9M a year to be a deep threat and not a whole lot else.
That Roos deal is very approachable IMO. If I were the Bills I’d start out with a 6 year $48M deal with $20M guaranteed. Very fair contract, and also very appealing if I’m Peters/Parker. Let’s see how they’d feel though….
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by Kurupt on Feb 6, 2009 1:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just realized something:
Peters/Parker = Peter Parker. Should we call the good JP Spiderman?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 6, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SIGN HIM!
Peters is one of the BEST LT in football, i say you ask him what he wants and try to get him to settle for 10 to 15% less, unless he gives you a reasonable offer, then you take it!.
The thing with Petters is that in resigning him BIG LONG TERM CONTRACT doesn’t just let you keep one of the best LT’s in the game, it also sends a very strong message to other elite FA’s that your willing to spend good money to make your team better.
If the Bills fail to resign Peters then you can just about forget about signing any top tier talent, aka suggs, hill, etc. because they’ll tell themselves “hey if they wont even give an extention to the best player on their team, why should i go there?”
Signing Peters is a must, I don’t even consider trading him as an option.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 6, 2009 1:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it also sends a very strong message to other elite FA’s that your willing to spend good money to make your team better.
Solid point. Pay attention, Terrell Suggs.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Say Goodbye to Suggs...
Honestly, if the Bills give Peters’ a new big contract… Suggs won’t give a squat. It won’t be his money and there won’t be anything left in Ralph’s piggy-bank to get anyone like Suggs in FA. What team are you guys cheering for? Cowboys? Skins? Giants? These are the Buffalo Bills, year 2009. Welcome back… the early ‘90s are over brother. Like it or not, the Bills are a small market team which means they can’t afford long-term lucrative contracts… if it becomes a mistake (injury or poor play) they sink the team for years. The Bills probably realize that Peters is worth what he’s going to be asking for, but they also realize he’s one injury away from becoming an albatross to the team (if they pay him that kind of money). His play has diminished for whatever reason over the past year and a half… he didn’t deserve the Pro Bowl this year, I’m sorry. How can you guys put all of this “Buffalo values their players” only on whether or not they extend Peters? Signing Evans, Schobel, Kelsay, Denney, Dockery, and Williams means nothing apparently? I’m not saying they didn’t make any mistakes in that process, but they took care of those guys and they can’t held over a barrel by anyone. Peters deserves more money, that is obvious. However, he alone is not going to take this team to the playoffs let alone a Super Bowl. Hence, getting 2 first round picks (or maybe more) from Philly would allow the team to replace him with the #11 pick and then fill 2 more needs (#21 – Mack at Center and LB/DE at #28). These may not be fan friendly type of moves, but the Bills are not the NY Yankees (I’m a fan, by the way)… they need more talent at more positions to succeed. Remember, Ralph said Jauron doesn’t hav enough talent on this roster… well, paying the same guys more money (leaving little for any additions) makes 2009 the same problem all over again.
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by djc1877 on Feb 7, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Salary cap...
Even with someone with a bigger piggy-bank, it doesn’t make sense to give our two huge contracts in one year like Peters and Suggs would require because of signing bonus money.
The way the Bills do their contracts Peters would never become an albatross to the team. They are smarter than that. The cash to the cap philosophy works because you put more of the money up front when the guy should be the most productive and as his skills taper off so does his contract.
I’m not arguing the point that trading Peters for two first rounders would be a bad move but some of the points you make don’t sit well with me.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 7, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Albatross...
What I meant by saying this is that an injury to Peters once he became one of the highest paid players in the league at his position… which IS what he wants, from everything I’ve read since his holdout… is that if Ralph forks over $20+mil guaranteed, how much money do you think he’s going to guarantee to any new FAs or in extensions to guys like Lynch??? And, the Bills obviously won’t have a capable LT waiting in the wings if they do pay Peters that much now. I understand the Bills don’t do contracts that should set them up for failure, but Peters is in charge of the situation if the Bills keep him past the draft. So the contract will either be done his way or not at all and we have 2008 on our hands all over again… like the article stated. Why would Peters sign a new deal when he has less leverage (pre-Draft)? If they trade him, he gets his money in a new city (Philly is a proven playoff team… nice additional incentive to want to leave Buffalo) and if they keep him, he has the Bills over a barrel again. Bills are not dealing from a position of strength even though they have him under contract. He’ll just skip camp and give less effort again. It’s a lose-lose for the Bills… pay him what HE wants or possibly receive mediocre play in return.
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by djc1877 on Feb 7, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
guarenteed money...
To Ralph guaranteed money is the same as non-guaranteed money. I don’t think it will effect how he doles out money to guys like Lynch in the future.
You’re correct about the tackle in the wings and draft situation. The reality is this deal doesn’t get done until right before minicamp if it gets done at all.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 7, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
your making a case that the Bills cannot compete in the NFL as long as they are the Buffalo Bills.
by gjv on Feb 7, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bottom line
is that this decision is up to Ralph. He doled out huge money to Schobel, Dockery, Evans. Has had draft picks in the #8-#13 range, and has elite contracts in dollars out there. Bottom line is does Ralph want to pay this guy. There is no other issue. He is very good. Pro-Bowl good. we molded him, trained him, and developed him. He may be a cancer in the locker room, he may hate Buffalo, he may be a money hungry fool. We don’t know. He may be a guy that has a dream of getting that mega deal as all NFL players do. Who the hell can blame him?
It’s simple. Ralph, he is worth a contract. You can try and be stiff and make him play out his deal, but at 26 Peters’ desperately wants financial security. The Bills’ will tell us a lot about where this franchise is headed based on what happens or doesn’t happen with Peters.
The Bills are in a tough spot. Its not as easy as we make it out to be. You sign Peters’, how much money do we really have to sign any FA’s? What happens with Peter’s will undoubtedly decide where this off-season is going. Like so many small market teams, I’m afraid we’ll see Peters gone in another uniform this off-season.
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by MARVelous on Feb 6, 2009 2:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m into my 30’s and still looking for financial security. I don’t care if theirs is a unique situation. It’s only so because people make it so.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 6, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huge upside
Is that if the Bills do give him the money, they have a bookend tackle hear for years to come. On the other hand, if they don’t sign him or trade him I myself might start rooting for another team. Peters is BY FAR one of the best TALENTS on the Bills roster and in the league at his position. Thus, by not resigning him, you are telling your team and the rest of the league that you are not going to shell out the money, no matter who the player is.
The Bills don’t resign Peters, I will no longer be a fan, let alone a contributor here. I promise youi that.
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by Cutter3636 on Feb 6, 2009 2:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haha. I love threats like this.
Seriously, I don’t think you have to worry about sacrificing your Bills fandom on this one.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 6, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re-sign Peters.
It would be wise to re-sign him but I am not as in love with him as all of you are. He is a man who disappeared for large parts of the season allowed numerous sacks this year including the losman fumble in the Meadowlands he just stood ther as the guy ran by him. On top of all this he gets named to the pro bowl which has to be a sham because he was terrible at times this season. I realize he is a better player than he showed this season but no way am I throwing Jake Long money at this guy. Imagine trading him to Arizona for Boldin does that interest anybody?
When does maybe next year become this year?
by kenner70 on Feb 6, 2009 2:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bolden for Peters?
PASS. i don’t care how many great wide receivers we have, if we can’t keep Trent vertical, then we’re not going to get the balls to those receivers. a great offensive line to me is worth more than a great receiver. and thats what peters can potentially do to our offencive line, make it great.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 6, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer trading him, but to be fair.....
The now famous Losman’s fumble against the Jets is more about a great play by the defense than a poor play by Peters. If you look at the replay more closely, the DE was on the outside of Peters and the OLB sat lowly at the back of the DE deliberately hiding from the sight of Peters. When the play started, the DE engaged Peters on the block and then moved inside, Peters followed him, that’s when the OLB rushed past Peters to force Losman to a fumble. Peters never saw the LB at the line of scrimmage, and by the time Peters recognize the play it was already too late. The Jets had a good decoy to disguise the blitz. I’m not saying Peters played great for the year (definitely not Pro-Bowl worthy), but I won’t put all the blame on him on this particular play.
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by moncheri on Feb 7, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd try to trade him
If Buffalo could get two #1 picks for Peters (Philly has two #1’s and are in the market for a tackle), I’d trade him. Before you rip my opinion, I have to disclose the fact that I think Jason Peters is a very good player who has garnered a reputation as an elite player. If you truly believe he’s an elite player, trading him makes no sense. Personally, I don’t think he’s elite and I’d gamble that you could draft a more cost effective player who is just as good as Peters (and potentially better) and fill another hole on the team with the additional first rounder. In my opinion Peters’ best year was 2006, followed by 2007, followed by a very average 2008. That’s not a great trend at his current contract, let alone a contract that would make him the highest paid player in franchise history. I’d try to trade Peters to Philly and potentially draft Eugene Monroe at #11, Everette Brown or Tyson Jackson at #21, and Alex Mack at #29. I’d use the money saved on not extending Peters on a top free agent LB like Suggs or Hill. Again, if you believe Peters is elite, by all means, it makes sense to lock him up. Frankly, I think he’s wildly overrated based on the potential he showed in 2005-06 and the fact that no one nationally pays attention to Buffalo.
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by Benjamin Salem on Feb 6, 2009 3:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I think you just made a whole lot of sense there Ben. I think he is declining for some odd reason work ethic, money whatever it’s not good. I think tackles are embarassingly over paid and to make him one of the top paid left tackles would be a mistake. If you could pick up another 1st round pick I would definitely pull the trigger on that trade.
When does maybe next year become this year?
by kenner70 on Feb 6, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
two #1’s – yeah – that would be hard to pass up. especially if they were both this year.
but he is a book end left tackle – so obviously we would have to get a lot for him.
personally – i’d just like them to sign the guy and be done with that position
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by J2 on Feb 6, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if te Bills are to make a trade...
I think that they should trade their 2nd and 4th rounders for another first, like philly’s 21st pick and go get Mack with that one. I honestly don’t think that Mack is going to get past Minisota’s 22nd pick cause they’re looking to replace Birk.
Think about, Brown or Orakpo with the 11th, Mack with the 21st, and we just filled Huge gaps on both sides of the ball.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 6, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m leaning towards brown over orakpo right now – but that would work for me
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by J2 on Feb 6, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’d prefer brown too, i think he’s a stud.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 6, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you want Philly’s #21 pick, you’re going to have to give them next year’s 1st rounder. If that means getting Mack, it may be worth it there….
You definitely can’t get that pick with just a 2nd and a 4th. That’s for sure….
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by Kurupt on Feb 7, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I say give them whatever it take, that is unless we sign a guy like Birk or Brown, then just draft the best available center in the 2nd or 3rd.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 7, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Minny has a young Center to replace Birk already...
Minnesota already has a young Center they plan to replace Birk with on their roster (I think his name is Sullivan, but I may be wrong)… I had this conversation with a Vikings fan recently when I had originally thought the Bills may pursue Birk as a FA.
Philly’s two 1st round picks are #21 and #28. Mack would have to be picked at #21 or else this whole thing could potentially go wrong. A team between 22-27 could take him OR they could allow another team (Pittsburgh) to trade up a few spots to grab him before Bills go again at #28. They would have to take the best LT on the board at #11 because they can’t risk not having a guy in place to fill Peters’ spot on the line. Not to mention, as much as I like Everette Brown, he’s by no means a “can’t miss” pass-rushing specialist. Remember the Panthers traded up for Harvey last year and the Jets took Gholston… did anyone ever hear either name all season long? Not in a positive light, so the Bills need to take a more definite player by using that pick on a LT (if they trade Peters). I understand a LT can be a bust (aka Mike Williams)… but the Bills still have plenty of money invested at DE (Schobel, Kelsay, Denney). So you go with the best LT at #11 (Monroe, Oher, whoever)… Mack at #21… then LB/DE at #28 (Cushing, Maybin, Johnson, etc.). We all seem to forget that LBs can pass-rush too! Especially when they are bigger than Ellison.
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by djc1877 on Feb 7, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike gandy was a starter in this year’s Super Bowl – and NOT a Pro Bowler. I value SB starting LT over Pro Bowl starting LT. I feel sick saying that, because I want NOTHING to do with Gandy. But it IS an argument to think about.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 6, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HUH?
Gandy was part of the reason AZ didn’t win the SB. Just because he played in the SB doesn’t mean there should be an argument about how to go about addressing LT.
If that were the case, you would have no value for a running game and Center either since AZ is terrible in both areas….
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by Kurupt on Feb 7, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus he got called for three holding penalities...
That’s like giving up three sacks. Ridiculous!
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 7, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Peters: "A man's word is his word."
LOL.
I think Peters is a very good player with the elite talent to become an elite player at a critical position.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 6, 2009 5:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to rehash this until Peters or the Bills give us something new to debate.
I am hoping this deal will get done before the start of free agency. If we do trade Peters, it would be best to get another vet at a position of need along with some draft picks.
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by Joe P. on Feb 6, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm in the middle of the road on this one...
On one hand, if Peters is in fact “elite,” it makes almost no sense to trade him. I think the market over the next two and a half months will determine what will happen.
My gut says he will want somewhere in the range of a twelve million dollar a year deal. But before you tell me how stupid I am and how that’s too high of a figure, let me do some ’splaining…
I think he’ll want tons of upfront money (as will his agent, that flippin’ Parker) and like a lot of big contracts, will have a “fake” year or two at the end of it to make the thing look good. Something like six for 72, with a signing your name bonus of twenty five to thirty. In reality, there might be clauses where it actually plays out to be a 4/40ish or 5/50ish kind of deal, with a voidable year or two at the back end of it.
Now if the Bills come to a trade scenario, I think Peters is worth more than two 1st rounders. Maybe that and a second or third, especially if the 1st rounders aren’t that high.
I wish I had the feeling there has been at least some contact between the two sides this off-season, but the gut says no.
by krytime on Feb 6, 2009 6:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have no proof, but my gut says Peters wants out of Buffalo.
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by Joe P. on Feb 6, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I posted this in the Hill thread, feel it was out of place there now, so...
Peters is continually injured, and let’s face it – if that team was going to the playoffs the past 2 years (yeah, feels dirty to say it, I know), Peters isn’t playing. How do you feel paying out the nose for a guy that is injured when you’d need him most?
Am I the only one who thinks his history of injuries is a bit of a concern, especially considering they’ve caused him to miss the end of the season?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 6, 2009 6:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think injuries are a concern...
I think he just yanked himself out of a line-up to prevent an injury. That’s just me speculating though…
by krytime on Feb 6, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Injury history? He sat out meaningless games at the end of the season to avoid being hurt further. It’s not like he’s missing any time during the first 14 games of the year….
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by Kurupt on Feb 7, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus those were injuries he can and has played through...
But like Marshawn at the end of the year it’s no use risking it.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 7, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want him signed to a long term deal ASAP
We are talking about the LT position right? How the hell could this even be a question? The LT position is second only to the QB position. If we had a QB that went twice to the probowl would we even be having this discussion?
Pay the man his money and be done with it please! no more distractions!!
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by keysh67 on Feb 6, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Depends on how things go in the next couple of weeks
I think the Bills and Peters will start talking once the combine is over. Simple reason being that is the start of the FA meat market, and Parker will have a bettter idea what Tackles are going for right now, and the Bills will be able to gauge interest on the downlow while there.
After that happens, I think we start seeing some numbers exchanged between the two sides. I want to resign Peters, but if his contract demands are insance (12mil+ a year type) which Parker is known for trying to get since he won’t get paid otherwise (don’t forget now, he has worked for Peters for a year free of charge at this point) I think we trade him. Philly would probably do it, as they have the fodder this year for it in 1st rounds picks, Detroit could, heck alot of teams would kick the tires of a trade.
Should we do it, I don’t know, it all comes down to the money, I personally think Peters is a very good player, not elite, he is NOT the second coming of Walter Jones or Orlando Pace (pre injury bug). So I don’t feel he should be paid in that same ball park % wise.
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by WABillsfan on Feb 6, 2009 8:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No significant tackles are changing this offseason...
My gut says that Peters and his agent wait until after the draft when they see how much these top two or three OTs get in their contracts and then bump it up ten% or so. At least three OTs are off the board in the first half of round one.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 7, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my 2 cents.....
Even though his hold out was “unjust” look at how he went about it. I dont agree with his tactics. But at least he didnt throw the bills under the bus. He didnt say anything which in my opinion is the wrong way to position yourself for a new contract. I think alot of players lost faith in him, because they knew it hurt there chances to be a good Oline. Paying him is a double edge sword. We get our elite tackle, but how long before he feels he is not paid enough again? Then players like greer who were good troopers and played beyond their contract get let go because he wants too much money. I think we pay peters, but then we can’t keep greer.
I think greer, for 7 mil over 5 years is a good deal. Mcgee is solid, but ageing, Youboty is what he always has been………potential, Mckelvin will improve. In this league you need to keep 3 good corners and sign the talent you develop. I would prefer a subpar FA signing period to keep players that have showed the character and the talent to get better.
How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?
by Rudy916 on Feb 6, 2009 11:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Greer is worth more than $1.4M per season. Unless you mean $7M per season, which is ridiculous for a player of his caliber.
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by Kurupt on Feb 7, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t have any opinion about Peters the human being. I just think his trade value might be worth more than his on-field value. Personally, I thought he was really average last year. If Buffalo could get the trade value of a true l two-time Pro Bowl 26-year-old LT, I personally think they’d get a steal. Again, if he’s as good as his reputation, there’s no way they should trade him. I’m just not buying his reputation based on what I’ve seen the last two years so I say trade high and gamble.
The passing of the torch is finally complete.
by Benjamin Salem on Feb 7, 2009 2:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
If he’s the next Walter Jones (on the field) he’s a keeper, if not and the Bills can get 2 1st rounders this year, I say make the deal.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 7, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait....
Am I missing something here? I thought you said sign him at the beginning of the post, and now, because of Ben Salem’s incredible insights you have decided to switch your view? Literally in a matter of minutes… ;)
BTW, I totally agree that the trade value for Peters is the highest right now. Like they always say: Buy low and sell high. If there was ever a time, this is the best time to trade Peters with 2 consecutive Pro-Bowl selection from a poor team no less.
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by moncheri on Feb 7, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather sign him, but if the team feels like they have an overrated player that they can get 2 first rounders for then go for it.
And accually it was more like 21 hours later not minutes.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 7, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pay the man and lets move on...
I say it’s cheaper to keep ’em.
Why oh why do we do this Bills fans? Haven’t we seen enough good to borderline great talent pack their bags pack their bags and leave because they didn’t get paid? OBD cannot become a revolving door if we are ever to become a competitive team. We gotta stop running our talent out of town. Are we ever going to be happy with what we have?
So say we we trade him and get 2 #1’s. What do we get: unproven talent AND 1st round salaries. I just don’t get it. Why take 3 steps back to take 1 step forward? Should the Colts trade Peyton because they could get 2 1st round draft picks? Who does that? (possibly a bad comparison, but you get my drift)
Look, I didn’t agree w/ Peters’ hold out, but I did get it. We love to say how ridiculous his salary could be, and how we would go play for wayyyyyyyy less, but lets be real. We are on the couch on Sundays for a reason. That’s the reality. His career could be over in one snap (see K. Everette). Can you really blame these guys for trying to get that big $$$ deal?
Get your money Jason and hopefully its from Ralph and the “crew”.
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by MonStarr_716 on Feb 7, 2009 5:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You're Right, but You're Also Wrong...
You are absolutely correct that letting Pro Bowl players continuously depart a roster in desperately low supply of them does not appear to be the way to go. Unfortunately, you’re wrong because you fail to come to terms with what the Bills truly are… a small market team. Look at the Rays this past year and the Marlins in years past (I understand that is baseball, but hear me out). The Bills can win with MORE young talent… but, the sad thing is that they need to get the talent early in their careers and almost simultaneously. Otherwise, you get what we’ve been watching for the past 10 years or so. One or two guys develop into stars while the rest of the roster hasn’t caught up yet… then those few guys depart and we keep starting over. The Bills cannot afford paying Peters that much money, leaving nothing left for new additions and then an injury occurs to him (especially long-term). The team would be paying the price for years… it’s like putting all of your eggs in one basket. They would go into each season pushed up against the cap and only add marginal talent and continue to fall short in one of the toughest, most competitive divisions in the NFL. Draft picks (especially those after #1-10) are kept for usually 3-5 years at contracts pre-determined (basically) by their draft spots. The Bills will have plenty of money leftover to extend their young studs (Lynch, Poz, McKelvin, etc.) or bring in new players from the outside if they trade Peters and lock up 3 (overall) first rounders. Honesty, how could you complain if they signed a guy like Suggs AND had 3 (1+2 new) picks in the 1st round this year by trading Peters? Can you tell me that you wouldn’t be completely ecstatic?! Seriously, I’d be quite a bit more excited about 2009 than I will be with the same roster returning and Peters making more money.
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by djc1877 on Feb 7, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bills can win with MORE young talent
How has that been working out for us so far?
the sad thing is that they need to get the talent early in their careers and almost simultaneously.
We are kinda doing this. Peters is only 26, but yet you are already set to let him walk.
Who the heck trades away their probowl LT while they are entering the prime of their career. Seriously, who does that?
One or two guys develop into stars while the rest of the roster hasn’t caught up yet… then those few guys depart and we keep starting over
How has that been working out for us so far?
As far as injuries….From your comments I’m geussing that only Peters can get hurt. And i say this because you have mentioned this twice, albeit in separate post.
Honesty, how could you complain if they signed a guy like Suggs AND had 3 (1+2 new) picks in the 1st round this year by trading Peters?
I tend to refer proven commidities vs. the unknown. You are contradicting your entire post. That would be starting over
I’d be quite a bit more excited about 2009 than I will be with the same roster returning and Peters making more money.
Free angency part 1, the draft and free agency part 2 hasn’t even started. We have no idea how the roster is going to shape up.
Why oh why do we want to run our good players out of town so often Bills fans?
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by MonStarr_716 on Feb 7, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
because some of our fans think that if we don’t win the SB then we suck?… actually i wouldn’t call those ppl fans… more like idiots.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 7, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bills will give Peters a new contract and
make a big slash this off season. Wilson is an astute business man. His number one man is an advertising executive. They may not know anything about football, but their wise enough to understand the negative current sentiment of their paying customers.
by gjv on Feb 7, 2009 4:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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