Top Ten Best Bang for the Buck Bills
After the Pittsburgh Steelers' season was over, Blitzburgh from SBN's Behind the Steel Curtain put together a list of the Top Ten "Bang for the Buck" players on their squad showcasing the best production for the lowest salary. I came across the article while I was compiling my much-maligned article on the Bills salary cap. I liked the idea and decided to do the same thing for the Bills.
The total payroll for the Buffalo Bills last year was $113,364,927. We had zero players in the top 25 highest paid players in the league. Because the total payroll includes practice squad and players placed on injured reserve, it doesn't always line up with the $116,729,000 salary cap from 2008. If you line up all the salaries from largest to smallest, then split the difference, the median salary on the Buffalo Bills last year was $1,154,000. The numbers listed in parentheses are the total cap hit for a player this year; salary + bonuses.
Tier I
(Main contributors with cap hits less than the team median, $1.15M)
- Duke Preston ($ 1,035,070)
- Jabari Greer ($ 1,015,000)
- Paul Posluszny ($ 872,400)
- Bryan Scott ($ 800,000)
- Trent Edwards ($ 732,190)
- Ashton Youboty ($ 646,170)
- Kirk Chambers ($ 525,400)
- Keith Ellison ($ 477,030)
- Fred Jackson ($ 374,320)
(Main contributors with cap hits less than twice the team median $1.15M = $2.3M)
- Brian Moorman ($ 2,237,868)
- Marshawn Lynch ($ 1,953,073)
- Leodis McKelvin ($ 1,745,000)
- Rian Lindell ($ 1,563,720)
2008 Top Ten Bang for the Buck Team
Honorable Mentions: Kirk Chambers, Brian Moorman, Ashton Youboty
10. Duke Preston - Duke Preston was pressed into starting service due to the complete inability of Melvin Fowler to hold his own. He made over $1M this year but that was less than half the salary of the man he replaced. He wasn't earth-shattering in the lineup but he was serviceable and was the sixth-highest paid lineman the Bills had.
9. Keith Ellison - Keith is never going to be the best linebacker on the field but he is very intelligent and stepped up in a big way this year replacing the injured Angelo Crowell prior to the season opener. He had 47 solo tackles and 24 assists, two passes defended and a fumble recovery. Not bad for a sixth round pick making less than half a million for the year.
8. Leodis McKelvin - Top draft picks are going to make their money, but they'd better produce. McKelvin did both. Before the season began we saw glimmers in his kick return abilities in Toronto when he brought back a kick against the Steelers in the preseason. Leo was in the top five in the NFL in non-offensive touchdowns, longest kick returns, kick returns, kick return yards, yards per return, and kick return touchdowns. On defense, he contributed two interceptions, taking one back to the house on a spectacular play against the Chiefs. He also had 25 tackles, one forced fumble (remember that lick on that poor St. Louis receiver?), and a fumble recovery. Hopefully this is a sign of big things to come.
7. Marshawn Lynch - All he did this year was have another 1,000 yard season, score 8 rushing touchdowns, and catch 47 passes for 300 yards and another TD. Even with those great stats, he is so much more valuable than his stat line would indicate, and that's why he was in Hawaii this past weekend. On that receiving TD, he was dragging defenders into the end zone. Countless times he got to the line of scrimmage to see a wall of defenders and still managed four yards. His effort and alter ego, Beast Mode, is what makes him a fan favorite and his drive is what defines him (much better than his drive off the field.)
6. Rian Lindell - Despite his big time miss in the Cleveland game, Lindell was pretty much automatic this year as he is every year. He scored a career-high 124 points and only had one miss inside 40 yards, his first from inside that distance since 2005. He was the seventeenth-highest paid kicker in the league but his production puts him much higher on the list than that.
5. Jabari Greer - Both of Jabari Greer's interceptions went for scores this year and came in the fourth quarter of games we were trailing. He stepped up. If he had played in more than 10 games this year he would have been higher on the list. He had seven passes defended and a fumble recovery to go along with 31 tackles and the picks.
4. Bryan Scott - I originally had Scott lower on this list but when I checked his stats they were so impressive I had to move him up. He did a great job shutting down Antonio Gates and Kellen Winslow this year. He forced a fumble and recovered one, tallied a sack, and had 3 passes defended. His 51 tackles were fourth on the team ahead of higher paid guys like Chris Kelsay, Marcus Stroud, Leodis McKelvin, and Ryan Denney. He very well may end up the Bills' starting SS next year if the Bills move Donte Whitner to FS full time as expected.
3. Paul Posluszny - Many of you know I am a huge supporter of Paul Posluszny. This year Poz ranked number 124 in linebacker salary. He led the Bills in tackles with 87 solo, called the defensive plays, played all 16 games, had an interception, six passes defended, and he forced and recovered one fumble. Ray Lewis, the highest-paid linebacker, made $112k per tackle. Poz had more tackles than Lewis and made $10k per tackle.
2. Fred Jackson - To put it obviously, Fed Jackson outplayed his contract. Jackson's cap hit ranks just below some guy named Jason Snelling on the Falcons, Dan Coats on the Bengals, and Carey Davis of the Steelers. He averaged 4.4 yards per carry for his 571 rushing yards and scored 3 touchdowns on 130 rushes this year. He caught 37 passes for 317 yards and returned seven punts and 12 kicks for 297 return yards. His contribution can't be measured in stats, though. He does everything the Bills ask of him and shows up when it counts. Whether it's long catches, stepping in for Marshawn, or playing up to make kickers pay for kicking away from Leodis McKelvin, he simply does it all.
1.Trent Edwards - Trent's cap hit was below Jim Sorgi, Dan Orlovsky and a handful of other backups. In fact, Trent was number 66 in QB salary last year. Ken Dorsey was a third string QB and made more than Trent! The 25-year-old played 14 games with a 66% completion percentage, 2700 passing yards, 11 touchdowns, 7.2 yards per attempt, and a passer rating of a respectable 85.4. He also ran for three more scores. He's the face of the team and the future of the franchise and as a top-half QB in the league his play far out-paced his pay.
Go ahead and make your own lists and post them in the comments. I'll do the Worst Bang for the Buck a little later so you don't need to get into that just yet.
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Good list – I knew we got good value out of Trent but seeing that his cap hit was below Dan “i run out of the endzone without knowing it” orlovsky was pretty sweet.
Looks like we get some good bang for our buck -however, now we’re going to have to pay some of these guys.
On this list I see the priorities of getting better contracts pretty much falling in line with your list. Trent obviously being one of the most important with Fred “i just do what is asked of me” Jackson being a close second. Hopefully over the years we can sign these guys back and not let a lot of them go. I also hope they give Jackson a decent wad of cash.
good list – good job
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by J2 on Feb 9, 2009 2:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Brian Moorman accounts for nearly more than Edwards, Greer, and Poz. If Edwards pans out long-term, he’s going to see major bucks come his way.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 9, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well anybody who is in their rookie contract still, or a former nobody, is going to be on the list.
How about we do one for the Least Bang for the Buck?
Dockery
Schobel
Whitner
Walker
Losman
oh yeah, Kelsay
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2009 2:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Keeo
Keep
Cut
either one
cut
cut
we’ve got a lot of money on useless players
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 9, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt said right at the end of the article that that’s coming…
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 9, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I wasw just adding it here…..
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i can’t wait to see that list. hmmmmm wonder who will be on the top (or bottom) coughs Kelsay end cough
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by J2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kelsay isn't on the top of my list.
You’ll have to wait and see who is. Here’s a hint, he contributed less to the Bills success (or lack thereof) than almost anyone else on the team.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. No this is a look at the players. Sorry.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JP ?
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by J2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Losman didn’t make much money at all last year, although you could argue that he was so bad that he was still the most overpaid player on the team.
by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats what i was going with.
could be Royal or schobel
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by J2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
na i doubt Whitner
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by J2 on Feb 9, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess here would be Melvin Fowler.
by Blackthorn on Feb 9, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
can we just say all of the above and the release the lot of ’em?
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 9, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the intrigue and guessing.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crowell maybe?
What with the injury and all.
by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 9, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. That’s a heckuva hint :). Give us another hint.
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by keuka121 on Feb 9, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gotta be Schobel since he did nothing this year and made a ton of cash
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
First, let me just say excellent idea. This also gives us an idea of some guys who are in for a raise.
I don’t think there’s any way to argue with Trent and Fred Jackson as the top two. I’d argue that Lindell should not be rated as a higher value than Lynch. Lynch is a starting RB while Lindell is a kicker, plus I hold some of Lindell’s misses against him. Other than that, great list
by Hopefulcynic on Feb 9, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Lynch was a much greater value than Lindell. It’s not even close, IMO.
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Lindell scored more point that Marshawn and made less money.
But I understand where you’re coming from. I basically put Lindell higher because he made less money.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lindell could have been replaced by any kicker in the league. Lynch could have been replaced by only a handful of RB’s….
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Marshawn is hardly replaceable...
Lindell did have the 6th-most FGs this year in the league.
Don’t hate the kicker just cause he wears different shoes.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The kicker is also nothing special. The next time I’m comfortable with Lindell making a kick in a close game will be the first.
A Pro Bowl RB making less than $2M is not as good of a bargain as a mediocre kicker making $1.5M? No wonder we suck!
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. You have to compare players relative to thier position. When Lindell makes as much or maybe even a little more than the average kicker and Lindell is as good or maybe slightly better than the average kicker, he isn’t a bargain. Just like Moorman is one of the highest paid punters in the league, but is barely in that group of top notch punters. That makes these guys paid correctly and not a bargain at all.
This would work better if we were comparing the Bills players to other players around the league who play the same position and are in the same age range. Listing every Bills contributer who is still in their rookie contract doesn’t really point out much.
by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok guys ok.
You win. Marshawn can go ahead of Lindell.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt, nice job
How about a “Best Bang for the Buck” Jills?? Let me know if you need help with the research :-)
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by Joe P. on Feb 9, 2009 2:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wowza.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What would the wife say Joe?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 9, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Being Valentines Week...
Are there ANY women who visit here? I remember one girl at the beginning of last season, but no one since.
Forgot who it was, but someone was complaining about his wife playing the piano during a (playoff?) game. She had the nerve to ask him if it was bothering him. I found that very ammusing.
I wonder if the other wives and g-friends of Rumblers ever get jealous of the time and energy spent here. I know my lady wonders how I can spend 3+ hrs at a time reading this site.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
by thurman on Feb 9, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that was me
And my wife wonders the same thing. It is working out in my favor though. The past few weekends, she has been trying to “distract” me. I am sure she is angling for a good Valentines Gift :-)
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by Joe P. on Feb 9, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My wife gets a little jealous.
But then I hold her facebook time up against my rumblings time. Plus she is working on her masters at night and I have mine already so that gives me some time.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My wife is thrilled I leave her alone to watch TV or due other stuff so I can hang around BR.
I think she would divorce me is we spent all the time I spend here together!
I told the witch doctor that I was in love with the Buffalo Bills, and instead of telling me to say "Oh eeh oh oh ah, ting tang walla walla wing bang" in order to make me feel better he told me to buy a gun and end it.
by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2009 4:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After she was done laughing,
she would probably kick me in the family Jaurons’. Fun to talk a big game here though.
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by Joe P. on Feb 9, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's research. Just research.
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by keuka121 on Feb 9, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe – i’m a very good judge. if you ever need any help. i can pretty much go anywhere
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by J2 on Feb 9, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if we are going to follow the Bills model of doing things
We will need at least 3 of us. Though comparing job the Bills FO does with the team vs my body of work in this area, I must admit I am feeling a little overqualified :-)
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by Joe P. on Feb 9, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes – i beleive we will get better results than our “inner circle” at OBD. good observation
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by J2 on Feb 9, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think FredEx deserved the number one spot. Not that Trent isn’t deserving himself, but Jackson just does so much for the Bills.
by NJBillsfan on Feb 9, 2009 2:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No way
Trent is our starting QB. Starting QBs don’t go for under 1mil. Ever. To me, it really is that simple.
by Hopefulcynic on Feb 9, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but until he stays healthy for an entire year and leads this team to an over .500 record, I don’t think I can put him ahead of FredEx.
by NJBillsfan on Feb 9, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
EIther way I wouldn't have had too many arguments
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fred #1 value,
just ahead of Trent. Edwards knows he has $,$$$,$$$ in his near future. Jackson plays behind one of the most popular Bills in recent history, produces when called on, plays for (relatively) little money, and then goes public with the sentiment that he wants to finish his career in Buffalo. That is value, in my book.
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by thurman on Feb 9, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not really
Freddie Mitchell used to call himself that, and he was downright terrible….
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But he did have the AWESOME mohawk for those seasons in Philly
Oh yeah, and that NFC Championship Belt he took onto the field a couple of times. I love it when guys really over value their own worth to a team. Whoops, could have been talking about myself and my own job!
I told the witch doctor that I was in love with the Buffalo Bills, and instead of telling me to say "Oh eeh oh oh ah, ting tang walla walla wing bang" in order to make me feel better he told me to buy a gun and end it.
by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2009 4:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Duke Preston could play, literally, only for the ‘love of the game’ and he still wouldn’t constitute bang for the buck.
by Ron From NM on Feb 9, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
You’re the boss on the O Line. Maybe I made a mistake. Should I put Kirk or Ashton at number 10?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Chambers did represent great bang for the buck. He played at each of the tackle positions and even played guard. Buffalo definitely got their money out of Chambers. I’m hoping the Bills re-sign him.
by Ron From NM on Feb 9, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right.
I went with the starter over the backup. Whaddayagonnado?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chambers is our Depth
He’s not a starter, but he can fill in everywhere on the line but centre, and has done that. We should resign him simply because of the depth he brings to our O-Line
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 9, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I told the witch doctor that I was in love with the Buffalo Bills, and instead of telling me to say "Oh eeh oh oh ah, ting tang walla walla wing bang" in order to make me feel better he told me to buy a gun and end it.
by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2009 4:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but he's cheaper and better than fowler
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 9, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
THat's true...
I never said Preston was good.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Preston could have made $6.55 an hour...
…and he still would have been grossly overpaid. The only way I want him in a Bills uniform next year is on some sort of unpaid internship.
But seriously, nice work on this.
by Future Considerations on Feb 9, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he's back.
I hope they bring him back as O Line depth. He’s capable of playing both guards and center in a reserve role.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree he's like Kirk Chambers......but for center and guards.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 9, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A few quick questions...
Should Copeland Bryan and Ryan Neil have been listed as honorable mentions?
What will OBD do with Fred? Are they going to somewhat reward him with an extension that is actually fair, or are they going to stick it to him and say it’s just business? I think fair for him his about two million a year for three years.
What will Edwards be worth AFTER next season?
How much do they try and sign Chambers for?
by krytime on Feb 9, 2009 8:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re Bryan and Neill:
They got paid about what they should have been paid for their jobs: Bryan – $ 374,800; Neill – $ 374,560
I think they will split the different with Fred. They won’t tender him at the low end (they may tender while they are working on a contract) but he won’t get fair market value. I expect his salary to be $1-2M with some signing bonus and maybe some incentives for carries or yards. It’s really hard to peg because he has absolutely zero leverage except to hold out.
After next season I hope Edwards is worth 10 years, $100M. :-)
Chambers will make a Preston-like $1M or so a year if he is resigned by us. Maybe a little more.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chambers might "break the bank"
I think KC gets more than that. He’s at that “good” stage of a developmental OL’s career. He’s got some starts under his belt, and he’s played multiple positions. I think he might get as much as three a year.
by krytime on Feb 9, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
That means someone would likely be paying him to start. I doubt that happens.
Yeah, Chambers filled in admirably when we had some injuries, but no way is he a $3M a year player. He came in as a street FA in the middle of the 2007 season for a reason. Decent backup, but nothing more, and definitely not worth that much money, IMO.
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by Kurupt on Feb 9, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we pay him that much I'd be shocked....
Melvin Fowler made 3.3 in the last year of his deal in 2008
Brad Butler made 2.4
Is a backup tackle gonna make more than our starting RG?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3.3 was Fowler’s cap hit. He made 1.775 mil in salary and according to USA Today he made a few hundred Thousand in bonuses somehow as well putting his 2008 cash to cap cost to Buffalo at about 2 mil. Fowler’s signing bonus was paid upfront.
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=fowler&player=750
by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right I was going off cap hits.
He was still outplyed by a guy made half of his salary
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but I think he got better...
I’m too lazy to go around the league and look at all of the starting tackles, but I’m thinking he just very well might be in the top 64. He’s still very young, and has some decent size. Three million might be high. But, he’s proved himself somewhat as a very affective back-up swing tackle.
He probably doesn’t deserve Brad Butler money, but all it takes is one team with a need to drive up his price…
by krytime on Feb 9, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pete Kendall was paid 3M this year.
Jake Long got 3M, Dan Koppen, Flozell Adams, Mike Goff, Shaun O’Hara all made just over 3M last year.
Nick Hardwick on the Chargers made 2M. There is no wa he makes more then 2M. No way. No matter the team.
Mike Gandy….. ouch 6.8M
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly I'm over-valuing the importance...
Of a decent back-up tackle then. Either I’m going to change my mind, or argue the point vehemently. Not sure yet…
by krytime on Feb 9, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the value is there...
but not the cash-value.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 9, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chambers turns 30 in about 5 weeks. Chambers is a moorman who went on a 2 year mission before he went to Stanford. He was a 6th round pick in the 2004 draft, played two years with the Browns without ever starting a game and bounced around on practice squads in 2006 before Buffalo signed him a couple years ago. He isn’t young, he is a journeyman just coming into his own late in his career. He isn’t really a starter in this league so his value comes as a swing tackle with the versatility to play guard. I would guess he gets a multi year contract (probably 3 years, but maybe 2 or even 4) for about 1.25 – 2.0 mil per season with some incentives (mostly games started or percentage of snaps played) that could push the contract a little higher if he has to step in for an injured player. That is just me guessing though.
by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's not a 3M guy for us.
Key word, FOR US. a desperate team that is looking for a starter with an upside that isn’t a 1st round draft pc might actually toss that kind of money at him.
I’d be shoked, and disapointed, if the Bills give him that, but i wouldn’t put it out of the realm of possibility that another team does.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 9, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"huge Poz supporter"
I just don’t understand what games you Poz fans were watching last season. He played as if the offensive backfield was a minefield. He played 16 games because he never was involved in a significant collision or a big play. His one interception was a fluke as he found a deflected ball in his hands. His defensive play calling was a complete joke as the defense sucked. He should pay the Bills to play.
by jpheff on Feb 9, 2009 10:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Poz had a radio in his helmet and any adjustments he was shouting out were coming straight from the defensive coaches, so you can’t really fault him for that. I’m not sure what people expect from a middle linebacker in this scheme, but their job is just to rack up tackles and take care of that deep middle zone and I thought Poz did a fine job of that. He did a horrifically awful job as a blitzer, but other than that I thought he made plenty of plays in the run game and made plenty of tackles in pass defense that prevented guys from picking up the first down. Poz is a classic example of a hometown favorite who didn’t live up to unrealistically high expectations and is now considered a dissapointment despite having the 15th most tackles of any linebacker in the NFL last year. What do people expect from the guy?
by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My bad that was the 15th most solo tackles. He was like 22nd or 23rd in total tackles, tied with the all wonderful, constant playmaking superstar that everyone was drooling over last year, Lance Briggs.
by kaisertown on Feb 9, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the defensive radio gets cut off at 15 seconds.
Poz was putting guys in position after that.
I already addressed this in a post on here. Poz isn’t overrated but he couldn’t live up to the Shane Conlan image we had in our minds of him. He led the team in tackles and played deep in the cover 2. He didn’t blitz a lot so wasn’t in the backfield a lot. If his initial job is intermediate middle of the zone, how c an he be in the backfield all the time?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. That is pretty much what I was trying to say.
by kaisertown on Feb 10, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The expectations were TOO high
lets realise what we have in Poz here ppl, a great tackler that just finished what was pretty much his rookie year. you keep on talking about his short comings, and i say that those are just the aspects of his game that he’s improving on. let’s put realistic expectations on this guy and not immidietly think he’s going to be a HOFer and then get disapointed when he doesn’t live up to that. Poz is what he is, a very solid MLB option in a tampa two scheme deffence.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 10, 2009 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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