Panthers blogger weighs in on Hangartner
Jaxon here with Cat Scratch Reader. Congrats on signing OL Geoff Hangartner, I think he will do a good job for you. I recently ran a poll that should tell you how my readers felt about Geoff. He was the leading vote getter for "Most important FA to retain" with 43%. He was a more than adequate back-up for several seasons filling in at both center and guard when injury struck a starter. He started six games just this past season and again, I don't really have anything bad to say about the guy. He held his own, didn't get cheap penalties and limited his mistakes. The Panthers seemed to equally be able to run the ball with Hang in the game.
As some of your fans have suggested though, Hang was given a chance to win the center job this past training camp and got beat out by second year player Ryan Kalil. You could argue he didn't get a fair shake given they had just drafted Kalil. The Panthers drafted Kalil in the third round in 2007 after he fell to the them with a first round grade. They did not draft him based on a perceived need with former Panther Justin Hartwig and Hangarnter on the roster. If not for Kalil's draft day fall, Hangartner would have been the Panthers starter last season. He may never be a Pro Bowler, but the guy gets the job done and as I said he doesn't make a lot of mistakes.
I'm not going to pretend to be a offensive line scout and evaluate his technique. I find it difficult to do. From what I've read on Buffalo Rumblings' post on the signing, the ESPN analysis seems to be spot on. Someone on your site also posted his Sporting News Draft Preview in the comments thread which I think is misleading compared to the Hangartner the Panthers have seen.
Is he starter quality? Yes. Will he win your starting job. I don't see why not. Do I wish the Panthers could have kept him. Certainly, his versatility was valuable. I never noticed a drop off in protection when he was in there. I wish him luck.
PS: Sorry for the slow response Brian, my satellite ISP has been about for most of the day from this big storm across the SE.
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YES!
this is what I wanted to hear, thanks Jaxon. I have a couple of questions for you about Hangartner:
1. Is he better at center or guard? The answer will definitely affect the Bills on draft day.
2. Would you want him starting for you and blocking for your runners as a full time starter?
3. Can he make all the line calls?
4. How is his push on the line when facing hulking run stuffing NTs? Does he have the strength to hold the line and not get blown back?
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Mar 1, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sure:
1. Definitely center. Great size for the middle guy and is comfortable snapping the ball
2. Sure, no problem with him starting for the Panthers, which he did last season
3. He seemed to run the OL well
4. He can stand up his man and not get knocked on his butt, I will say that. Driving them out of a play? Maybe not. He’s good at angle blocking when part of a double team. I want to emphasize I’m not a pro talent scout in this regard, just my impression from what I’ve seen.
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by Jaxon on Mar 1, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Jaxon!
I acknowledge that Sporting News and ESPN are not the best scouting resources, but that was all the information that I had.
I’m not a professional talent evaluator myself, especially when it comes to offensive linemen. So I try to keep it simple: does the guy push forward, stalemate, or get pushed back on contact? Factors such as single or double team, assignment (as much as you can tell), and quality of opponent should be considered as well. I don’t think that any team in the NFC South plays a 3-4 defense with a dominant nose tackle like Kris Jenkins or Vince Wilfork.
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by Fort Worth on Mar 1, 2009 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I really feel like this was a good signing, and here is why:
Hangartner can play both center and guard. Given the current talent level of the interior section of our o-line, he could probably start at either place as well. Let me throw a few hypotheticals at you;
1 – Matt Birk starts to have a whole lot of trouble finding any body to meet his price tag. While he waits around, the Vikings move on and he finds himself with very few options. Is it total unfathomable to suggest that the Bills could then grab him up and move Hang to Guard?
2 – The Bills find that when pick number 42 comes up at the draft this April, Alex Mack is still on the board somehow. After they hang up on the guy who will only call himself POZ, who keeps calling and screaming Mack’s name into the phone, they do in fact pick him. Once again is it imposible to suggest that either Hangartner or Mack could play guard with the other playing center?
There is some good flexibility with this signing.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 1, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha!!!!
I love it! I can use a voice distorter to like the guy from the saw movies! I’m actually trying to see if its feasible for me to get to New York City to actually be at the draft so when you watch the draft and the Bills pick Mack with the 42nd and the camera zooms to a fan in a poz jersey crying tears of joy you’ll know who that is!
Here is something else I wouldn’t mind, what if Duke Robinson is around at the 42 pick? What a pickup he would be. I get the feeling that either Mack or Robinson will be the only interior lineman taken in the first round so one could fall!
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Mar 1, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just don’t throw yourself off the balcony if the Bills don’t get Mack. ESPN would have a field day with that. The crawl at the bottom of the screen would read something like, “Despondant Bills Fan Leaps To His Death—possibly while trying to take out the Bills’ floor table—When Buffalo Takes Ohio State DBs In Rounds 1 & 2.”
by Ron From NM on Mar 1, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHA!!
trying to take the Bills floor table out with me! hahahaha!
what is the connection to Ohio State in our front office? Is there a reason we love their DBs so much?!?
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Mar 1, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe some Ohio State alums have pictures of various member of the inner circle with some smoking hot cheerleaders (Ohio State, of course). They could, in this wild hypothesis, be blackmailing the inner circle to take Ohio State guys to make recruitment easier. Since the team seems to perseverate on Ohio State DBs it must be the defensive backfield coach who has the negatives….
by Ron From NM on Mar 1, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha!
maybe DJ is a party animal behind closed doors. Ohio State alums have photos of him in a hot tub with cheerleaders like the Leinart photo!
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Mar 1, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We need to start talking about Robinson as the best possible pick the Bills can make at 42. He is a first round talent who might drop only because he is a guard and because he doesn’t fit every scheme. I would love him.
by kaisertown on Mar 1, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to suggest you go to NYC for the Draft. I see you are already contemplating…haha
~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 1, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1 – Matt Birk
Feasable, yes. Likely, not at all. Birk’s contract demands would have to come way down for Buffalo to consider him. I would happily give him the same contract that Saturday got.
2 – The Bills find that when pick number 42 comes up at the draft this April, Alex Mack is still on the board
You simply can’t pass on Mack at 42. In my opinion, Mack as a guard is probably the best player available regardless of position if he is still there at 42. Buffalo could easily draft a center like Mack and move him to guard. I think Mack is the only center who has that kind of value at guard worth taking though.
I also agree that I wish Buffalo would take advantage of this flexiblity. The reason I signed Hangartner in my mock is because it allowed me to go into the draft and bargain hunting FA time with the belief that I could find someone to play center or LG. I wish Buffalo would view the situation the same way.
by kaisertown on Mar 1, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Jaxon!
The info is much appreciated. Bills fans don’t see too many Panthers games so we don’t really know much about the guy. I’ll be very interested to see how he does as a Bill.
by Ron From NM on Mar 1, 2009 3:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
LOL good Lord, Jaxon, you have no reason to apologize to me. Your effort and first-hand knowledge is very appreciated. Thanks for dropping by!
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 1, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Jaxon....appreciate the heads up on our new guy!
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 1, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the report
If its right and Hang plays like how he can and did for the Panthers, then we now have flexibility on our interior line to draft the best available interior lineman in the second round, and that would be great too.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 1, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Jax. Hangartner was one of my top priorites in FA. I think he is a nice, solid starter and I’m looking forward to an immediate difference on short yardage success (or lack of failure) next year.
by kaisertown on Mar 1, 2009 6:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Jaxon. Good stuff.
Hangartner sounds like an underrated pickup. I like his versatility and potential as a C. If he is good enough to hold his own against 3-4 NT’s and excel against others, we’ll be a much better rushing O. Even an average player makes our run blocking better with no Preston/Fowler around.
How would you say he does in pass protection?
~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"
by Kurupt on Mar 1, 2009 6:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Jaxon. I wonder if he and Stroud are friends? They probably are familiar with each-others’ game…
Sweet home Orchard Park.
by thurman on Mar 1, 2009 6:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Am I missing something here? Stroud, I’m confused?
~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 1, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Panthers. Not Jaguars. Don’t worry. I screw that up about twice per day.
by WhyBillsWhy on Mar 1, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pardon. And a generous thanks, WhyBillsWhy.
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by thurman on Mar 2, 2009 1:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IS that considered pulling a MRW?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 2, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
that wasn’t as bad as a MRW.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 2, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 2, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Harngarter signing because of how the market is shaking out
He is young, can play mutliple positions and seems capable on top of it. While I would have liked Meester, this signing does give our team a huge number of ways to go now with the #11th and 42nd Picks.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Mar 1, 2009 9:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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