AFC East bloggers react to T.O. signing in Buffalo
When a figure as polarizing as Terrell Owens becomes a part of your team, it's only natural that fans of your team's most hated rivals sound off on the issue. In case you journeyed to Mars (perhaps with Dr. Manhattan and/or Laurie Jupiter) over the weekend and only made your return journey this morning, Terrell Owens is a Buffalo Bill. Naturally, the vast majority of Bills fans are excited - and, just as naturally, the rest of the AFC East's fan base is either nonchalantly blowing the move off, rationalizing why it's a bad move or confidently proclaiming that their team will be able to shut down Buffalo's newest weapon.
The best part of being a member of SB Nation is that we have these opinions readily available at our fingertips. Matty I (The Phinsider), MaPatsFan (Pats Pulpit) and John B (Gang Green Nation) have all weighed in on T.O.-to-Buffalo. The majority of their varied thoughts center around an attitude that comes across as not impressed - and that's fine. My rebuttals and counter-points to their arguments follow.
Matty I doesn't care. Sweet.
SBN's resident chief Dolphins fan waited until Monday to respond to Owens' signing in Buffalo. Why? He doesn't care that T.O. is a Bill. That's why.
Why? Because I simply don't care. Owens will spend the year playing in Buffalo. I'm not sure who I feel worse for - Owens, for having to spend a year in Buffalo, or the Bills, who are probably going to regret signing Owens once he starts acting like the egomaniac that he is.
Hmm... if one is harboring sad feelings for a team, a city and a player - and trying to decide which party one has sadder feelings for - it sounds an awful lot like one does care. It's nice to know that the Bills are so close to Matty's heart.
I tend not to get too riled up with the whole smack talk game - just not my style. Dolphins fans are the boldest of AFC East fans at the moment, and with good reason - their team is the reigning division champion, after all. So I won't bother with their confident assertions that Owens won't matter if Trent Edwards can't develop and get him the ball - mostly because they happen to be right. I will, however, argue against strange logic.
And it's only a one year deal. So I don't see how this move benefits Buffalo - other than the extra tickets they will sell and the added media attention Owens will bring. The addition of Owens doesn't make Buffalo Super Bowl contenders; nor does it help them build for the future. So what's the point?
Maybe it's just me, but I thought the fact that this was a one-year deal was the benefit for the Bills. How stupid would we look if we'd given him a multi-year contract - and how desperate would Owens have looked had he accepted that multi-year contract? Let's be real - Owens probably doesn't want to end his career with the Bills. It's a one-year rental that will either have no effect on the team's on-field performance, or it will have a big effect on the team's on-field performance. When you're 7-9 three consecutive seasons, it's tough to get much more broken. There's this strange belief that Owens could make us worse - but how much worse can we actually get? (Don't answer that, Lions fans.)
The point to signing Owens is this - even if he doesn't make us Super Bowl contenders or isn't a long-term solution, he makes us a better football team right now. More importantly, if he plays well on the field, he'll accelerate progress toward the team answering the biggest question of all - is Trent Edwards the guy to lead this team for the long haul? In that way, it very much helps the team build for the future. Minimal risk; finding out what we have in Edwards; better product on the field in 2009. What's the point? There's more than one.
Head on in past the jump for observations and rebuttals from Pats fans and Jets fans.
MaPatsFan sees a little bit of Moss
Our resident Pats expert pointed out over the weekend that the Patriots took a similar risk in 2007 when they brought Randy Moss to New England.
Could this be a page from the Belichick signing of Moss? Take a disgruntled, jetisoned problem child, give him a decent deal, and see if he can be rehabilitated?
I'm going to go ahead and tell MaPatsFan right now that that probably isn't the Bills' plan. Set aside the fact that it's Terrell Owens, and that anybody who thinks that they can "rehabilitate" or "control" the receiver is probably certifiable. The beauty of the one-year deal is that the Bills don't have to rehabilitate him. They can let him play, and if he denigrates the team in any way, he's gone.
Dick Jauron is a lot of things, but one of them isn't stupid. He wouldn't have signed off on this deal, much less initiated the process (which he did), under the delusion that he could keep Owens under control for an entire year. It isn't going to happen, folks. There will be controversy. But Jauron is also coaching for his job. If the controversy comes alongside a playoff berth - the first in a decade for this team - who's going to give a rip in Buffalo how much controversy there is? It's a desperate team, a desperate player and a desperate city. Quite literally a match made in heaven.
MaPatsFan keeps it real, too, with an ominous note to his Pats fan readers:
If HC Dick Jauron can pull this off, the New England Patriots will have a problem. Why? As a divisional rival, we play Buffalo twice a year. We've all seen what OUR #81 can do when he's hot, so it's not a stretch to assume T.O. could do the same.
John B thinks T.O. has the power
Our newest AFC East blogger, John B the Jets fan, makes one of the more prudent points about Owens' presence in Buffalo.
There is no culture of winning with strong willed leaders that will demand Owens conform. The owner's unbridled courtship of T.O. has made the receiver the most important player in the franchise. Nobody has the credibility to demand anything from him. This player who has a reputation for selfish behavior, dividing locker rooms, and undermining coaches now has all the power.
John's absolutely right - that's the key to the whole situation. The man responsible for keeping this situation in check is Jauron. From the very first day of mini-camps straight through the entire season, it's Jauron's job to make sure that his locker room is fully aware that this is still Trent Edwards' team. As scary a proposition as that is, letting it become T.O.'s team is much, much more terrifying.
I'm not sure that any team with a "culture of winning", however, would be able to contain T.O. Haven't the Dallas Cowboys won five Super Bowls? Haven't the 49ers also won five Super Bowls? Owens has played on some of the more historically relevant and dominant franchises in NFL history, and had no problem ripping apart their locker rooms. It took him at least a year in each case. I'm not sure why Buffalo's locker room, which lacks a winning culture, is any more susceptible to Owens' behavioral issues than any other locker room in the league. In reality, it isn't.
John also points out that the Jets' secondary additions are now more important than ever.
The additions of Jim Leonhard and Lito Sheppard are now even bigger than they seemed at the time. The Jets already had to contend with Randy Moss and Wes Welker twice each season. Now there are two against Lee Evans and Owens... Watching a receiver as smart as T.O. work against the inexperience of Dwight Lowery would have been agony. Owens brings a lot of issues, but he undoubtedly is still a pain for opposing defenses.
Yeah, you know what? Sheppard should do fine against T.O.; he certainly has seen him before and knows what to expect. But I'm sorry if it offends that the presence of Jim Leonhard in the Jets' secondary is barely a blip on my radar. I love Leonhard - he's a versatile, smart guy that hustles and lays it all on the line for your team. But seriously, it's Jim Leonhard. If Leonhard draws a deep over assignment on either of our wideouts, I'm taking our wideout 100% of the time.
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Bringing it back to Bills fans for a minute: smack talk is great, right? Before you go spouting off on these blogs, however, keep in mind two things: these bloggers are intelligent folks who have fine establishments, so keep it civil; and second, they kind of sort of maybe have a right to brag. I mean, all three of these teams did sweep the Bills last year.
As for me, I'll let the skepticism over T.O.'s signing in Buffalo play itself out. Nobody knows how it's going to work out. If it doesn't work out for the Bills, then very little changes in the landscape of the AFC East. If it does work out for Buffalo, however, I'm going to watch with a gleam in my eye and a smirk on my face as Buffalo's suddenly (potentially) potent offense eats these weak AFC East secondaries alive.
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LOL love the whole..........
John B “The Jets fan”
Like he’s the only fan……because he’s the only one that posts over at his blog……
HAHA
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 10, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
John’s only been going at it for ~5 months. His site’s growing quite rapidly. Cut him some slack.
Of course, he might still be “the Jets fan”. How many of them are there?
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 10, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im all about cutting him some slack.......
I just laughed when I saw that :)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 10, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL well played
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 10, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, we'll let TO and Evans do that talking
If we obtain Waters I would venture that our O-line might be up there with the best in the division. Peters – Waters is a devastating left side of the line, Hangarthner has proven to be a capable starter, and Butler – Walker opened up massive running lanes for Marshawn last year.
If we obtain a tight end like Scheffler or Jared Cook our skilled players might be up there with the best in the division with Evans, Owens, Lynch and Jackson being complimented by Reed and company.
If Trent Edwards takes the next step there will be a lot of crow being passed around the AFC East.
I don’t mind arguments that TO is a team obliterator (which is so illogical anyway on a one year deal that will dictate the end of his career) or that the move reeks of desperation and that the Bills will remain a bottom dweller (we have to prove ourselves better than last place before we talk smack anyway). What I do have a problem with is the arrogance over at the Miami blog that TO won’t be a serious difference maker on game day meetings between their team and the Bills.
At least the Pats and Jets have the rationality to admit that he is going to be a pain to defend and someone to game plan against. The Dolphins were 1-15 two seasons ago so no Brian, winning the division doesn’t give them the right to brag. They should know better than anyone that just because you go 0-6 in the division one year doesn’t mean you should discount a team the next, especially when a player like TO is added to the roster. There is a reason I find Dolphins fans so difficult to debate with. They offer incredibly sloopy football analysis.
“what’s the point?….simply don’t care….I’m not sure who I feel worse for” That’s some pretty lame stuff. I expect that from a random blogger but not from Matty I, who usually offers much more insightful stuff (seriously, he has in the past). Oh well, as TO would say “if it looks like a Phins fan, smells like a Phins fans, by golly its gotta be a Phins fan”. I guess I shouldn’t expect nothing but hate. Nonetheless, very poor and childish analysis.
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by poz on Mar 10, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What I do have a problem with is the arrogance over at the Miami blog that TO won’t be a serious difference maker on game day meetings between their team and the Bills.
I didn’t see that on a rampant basis. Even if I had, I wouldn’t call it “arrogant”; I’d call it “misguided”.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 10, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is arrogant
when their members find a need to bash the city of buffalo. not really sure why people can’t just bash a team, instead taking it to another level by bashing a city.
by gatornation on Mar 10, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
There is no reason to go after the city itself. If you want to bash a city, let’s bash Miami – a city that barely supports its baseball/basketball/hockey teams even though those teams have won championships. So what if the weather there is great, they are called FAIR WEATHER fans for a reason.
Also, Miami is one of the epicenters of the mortgage crisis that is ruining our economy. Half of Dade County is in default. Thanks a lot for that, Miami.
by Donte's Inferno on Mar 10, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did they bash the city of Buffalo in the TO post?
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 10, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure who I feel worse for – Owens, for having to spend a year in Buffalo, or the Bills, who are probably going to regret signing Owens once he starts acting like the egomaniac that he is.
by Donte's Inferno on Mar 10, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm. I guess I just read that as having more to do with the team (and Trent Edwards specifically) than the city. I guess it’s open for interpretation.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 10, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read it as bashing the city because he says “in” Buffalo, not “with” Buffalo. “In” implies a location, “with” would clearly be referring to the team. Maybe he didn’t choose his words carefully enough, but I think it was a knock on Buffalo being an undesirable place to live for a year. Some members of the media (Stephen A. Smith for one) have said the same thing.
by Donte's Inferno on Mar 10, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Semantics.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 10, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for a prolific writer
i think you might need to do a little work on the finer subtleties of language.
not semantics. that is substance. definitely a diss of buffalo as a city.
by oompaloompa on Mar 10, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Writers are different animals altogether than linguists. I’m a blogger.
Let me put it this way. I happen to know Matty I. He lives in Jersey. I strongly believe that he wasn’t dissing the city of Buffalo. Is that better?
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 10, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, jersey!
he ought not be talking smack!
if he really doesn’t mean insult to the city, then he ought not have a problem admitting that wrong and retracting. I DEMAND RETRACTION!
anyway, just ribbing you, dude. don’t mean offense. i love your blog and appreciate what you do for us Bills fans.
by oompaloompa on Mar 10, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, nah, it’s cool – I rarely get offended. I’m not at all in this case. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 10, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't Matty
it was one of the phinsider’s members that made the comment.
by gatornation on Mar 10, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. Well, in that case, bash away. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 10, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, i love it
Bashing matty, hold on and anlalyse wat he said, bashing a regular phins fan, go ahead. lol
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol!
sorry Matty! Jersey is Great! My fiance is a jersey girl and I wouldn’t have it any other way!
Let’s hear it for the turnpike! Exit 9, baby!
by oompaloompa on Mar 10, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
Trey Wingo was holding back a laugh when talking about living in Buffalo. Its the analysts who never played in the NFL that make those dumb comments. Guys like Schlereth or Golic never do. Football players don’t find it amusing.
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by poz on Mar 10, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Schlereth did. He hates TO and made a comment about the weather and TO dropping more balls.
You can’t let T.O. use your man berries as a chew toy!
by Joe P. on Mar 10, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sclereth is a tool.
I refuse to listen to a man who got the nickname “stinky” because he would crap his pants during a game and play the rest of the game that way.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 10, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ewww really???
that is so friggin hilarious.
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by poz on Mar 10, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
looked it up
According to Wiki, It was urine:
Mark Schlereth’s nickname is “Stink.” He discussed the genesis of this nickname on ESPN Radio’s Mike and Mike in the Morning on November 2, 2006. Schlereth said his nickname originated his first season with the Broncos in 1995. He told a story about his sister working in an Eskimo town in Alaska, where people cut the heads off of fish and consider the head a delicacy; these heads are known as Stinkheads. Schlereth was called “Stinkhead” that season, later shortened to “Stink.” Schlereth also revealed on this same Mike and Mike appearance that due to the lack of restroom facilities on the sideline, he would often urinate in his game pants (originally saying that was the reason for the “Stink” nickname, although he was joking).
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 10, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still gross
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 10, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes very filthy
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by poz on Mar 10, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, you would think they could sew in a little flap into his pants or something
At least Manny would step into the green monster.
You can’t let T.O. use your man berries as a chew toy!
by Joe P. on Mar 10, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
and he got a job in broadcasting. wow this guy is just asking for it!
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must be why everyone at work keeps calling me “stinky.”
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by thatguy34 on Mar 10, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it seems pretty much to be a bashing of the city to me as well
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by poz on Mar 10, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO
That’s pretty much a slam against Buffalo
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by BILLS on Mar 10, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL wait, so I’m not allowed to read it differently? :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 10, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure you are
But isn’t it possible that theres just a plain hatred of phin fans on our part, which is why we go to that reading of what he said?
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by the way
when did you join the blog? I’m surprised the name BILLS wasn’t taken.
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by poz on Mar 10, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, he’s been around a long time. Like, longer than sireric long.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 10, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was Bills fan in PA before that
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by BILLS on Mar 10, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is one of the few around here that is older too!
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 10, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was in H.S. in 1960, so I've seen all 49 years
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by BILLS on Mar 10, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Careful where you’re going here buddy…
by krytime on Mar 10, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Careful where you’re going here buddy…
That was for sireric…
by krytime on Mar 10, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took that name when we had to re-register with the site upgrade
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by BILLS on Mar 10, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice grab!
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by poz on Mar 10, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's give these guys a little break - we'll get 'em later. Karma always comes around.
When Global Warming hits soon, and places like Miami become obsolete, we’ll all get the last laugh with normal temperatures up here and fresh water to boot.
by krytime on Mar 10, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Lets see how much they dislike Buffalo when Florida is under water.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 10, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Water polo anyone?
You can’t let T.O. use your man berries as a chew toy!
by Joe P. on Mar 10, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won't Buffalo be under ten miles of ice?
That’s what Al Gore said in that largely over-hyped movie he did.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 11, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
misguided then. Either way, a lead blogger not caring about an addition like TO is not doing right by his readers.
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by poz on Mar 10, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a bit arragant
I don’t care how many persoal problems a player has, when he brings to the table the tyoe of talent that TO has, you pay attention.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m never going to understand the Jim Leonhard thing. How this guy became a sought after FA is beyond me. He had a couple of INT’s this year, but whenever I saw the Ravens he was slow to the receiver and not much of a help in the run game. I can’t wait to pick on him against the Jets.
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by Kurupt on Mar 10, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no kidding
leonhard is friggn 5’8" and the pure benefactor of a ridiculous Ravens defense.
All I’m going to say on the bragging rights deal is this: If anyone doesn’t foresee T.O. and Evans as one of the top WR duos in the NFL they are ignorant. T.O. played a ton in the lot last year and off of motion because he has regressed in his ability to get off the LOS. That said, I think the greatest benefactor of the addition of T.O. is Josh Reed. With Evans still commanding Safety help, T.O. will demand bump & run, there will be Reed getting the nickel corner or getting zone coveage and he will eat that alive with his YAC ability….also Fred Jackson and Marshawn should have so much more space out of the backfield.
T.O. will help this offense, but only if Trent progresses in year 3. Man I love Trent though, and I understand why Jauron has hitched his coaching life to him. Trent flew to Buffalo yesterday cuz of the T.O. excitement to talk to coaches, trainers, and get the new playbook tweaks…the guy has a great work ethic. A guy that is so easy to root for. He wants to be the best. Now how fast will he develop? No one knows, but the character and work ethic of Trent Edwards is unquestionable. Let’s just hope the weapons we have added along with a TE in the draft, will bring out the best in Trent
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by MARVelous on Mar 10, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man I love Trent though, and I understand why Jauron has hitched his coaching life to him.
Keep it in your pants Marv. I have a feeling once TO and Trent get together to work, TO will be impressed. It’s hard not to be with the work Trent seems to put in, and I have a guy feeling that TO will respect the heck out of Edwards, at least up until the season begins….
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by Kurupt on Mar 10, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here and I thought if anyone was going to be told to keep it in their pants, it’d be Ron.
I’m hoping you’re right K- it’d be nice to see some chemistry out there with Trent and TO.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Mar 10, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would be great to see chemistry with between TO and ANYONE, something tells me that be behaves a lot more when he respects his fellow players and when he feels that they are always giving it their all. Say what you will about TO, his work ethic and training schedual iss increadible. If Trent holds himself to the same standard, then it’s going to be a great year.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“behaves a lot more when he respects his fellow players and when he feels that they are always giving it their all”
he should get along great with BEAST!
by oompaloompa on Mar 10, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if things go bad all they need to do is start passing the bong around and everything will be fine ;-)
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to me – even if he’s a disruption it’s a good thing – at least it won’t be boring as hell.
he won’t be the reason we lose games – the team will.
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by J2 on Mar 10, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
supply some YANG
to Jauron’s YIN.
YEAH!
by oompaloompa on Mar 10, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I meant Joe, not Ron…darn 3-letter names.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Mar 10, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey
lay off my man-love for Trent. Is it too much to ask of him to save our franchise and turn us into a perennial winner?
T.O. will need to respect Trent and Trent respect T.O. Otherwise it won’t work. If T.O. thinks he can rule Trent then it’ll be time for DJ to step in
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by MARVelous on Mar 10, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said in another post the best thing Trent can do is track TO down and work with him right away
And as soon as Owens arrives in Buffalo is help the dude find a place and move into the weight room and film room with the guy. I mean, what WR wouldn’t love it if the teams starting QB showed up at the gym the same time he did to work out with him, and also sat extra hours in the film room to work on how to beat your opponents next year? Unless like Mike S. he is stinky, but Trent looks like a dude who takes regular showers and knows where a restroom is.
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by WABillsfan on Mar 10, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leonard is the product of a system
Both him and Bart Scott will have average, if not bad years for New York this year, and I’m absolutly fine with that.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure Bart Scott will have a bad year. He’s has tremendous talent and will have the same coach (who knows how to get the best out of him).
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 10, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he doesn’t have his suggs/lewis/reed/ngatas lining up next to him.
I think that defense will be good, but expecting Scott to be lead the defense is expecting him to do something he’s never done before.
doesn't buy posluzny.
by JPH on Mar 10, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats why i think Scott wil disapoint
He has nowhere near the talent around him that he had in Baltimore.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leonhard signed in the one place where he can at least have the chance to replicate his decent success, so he is at least in a good position. I don’t think the Jets will compare that much to the Ravens of 2008, but they’ll be trying….
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by Kurupt on Mar 10, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Broncos offered him more money.
So he was smart to stay with Rexy.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 10, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s staying with the system that makes him look good.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rex Ryan
is bring the system with him… so what exactly is your point?
Why is everybody dogging Jim Leonhard? Oh yeah because the Bills let him go and he’s getting some love now… I always felt he was under-appreciated in Buffalo and I was surprised they let him walk for the likes of Ko Simpson and George Wilson. Jim Leonhard played phenomenal in the playoffs, when it really counts. So just be happy for him y’all, dang…. he’s the quintessential Rudy of the NFL.
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 11, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will point out as a Ravens fan who probably watched Jim Leonhard more than anyone else here in 2008
He was constantly in deep coverage, especially in the second half of the season so that Ed Reed could move up in position. I don’t think he’s any great shakes, but against the Cowboys the Ravens basically took Ed Reed and Jim Leonhard and chained them to TO and Roy Williams (admittedly Leonhard drew Williams way more often than TO).
by math_geek on Mar 10, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if your defense remains dominant again
I give up and decide it has to be something in the water there in B more. it must be nice having consistent defensive dominance.
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by poz on Mar 10, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've still got Ray Lewis.
And perhaps more importantly, we’ve still got Ozzie Newsome.
We’ve lot Jim Leonhard and Bart Scott on defense? That’s it. C-Mac was a great player who has missed about 10 games a season over the past two seasons.
We added Dominique Foxworth to improve our secondary, and drafted a MLB in the third last year with the expectation that he would take over for Scott this year. Finally, Dawan Landry was the original starting Strong Safety in B-More and he will hopefully be back and ready to play, along with Kelly Gregg and Dwan Edwards on the defensive line.
The Ravens defense might actually be better this year.
by math_geek on Mar 10, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not worried about losing Rex?
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by poz on Mar 10, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I am I guess
but then I think about Marvin Lewis and Mike Nolan and I feel a bit better. There’s a lot more to a good defensive system than a good defensive coordinator. Gregg Mattison was an excellent college coach and certainly has the pettigree to be effective in the pros, and had a year to learn the Ravens system.
Also, lord only knows that Rex’ defensive “adjustments” in the 4th quarter were absolutely mind boggling and painful.
So while I believe that the Ravens will be fine without Rex, I do worry that I’m wrong.
by math_geek on Mar 10, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but you guys also had 3 Good CB's
the Jet’s have two average to good safeties and one good CB… not quite the same as facing Ed Reed, Chris McAlister and Samari Rolle. And as much as I like to rag on Ivy, he was a descent nickle option for you guys.
The Jets have Leonard, Rhodes and Sheppard, thats it. The Dolphins are in even worst shae than the Jets in their secondary, the only division team who’s secondary I’m actually concerned about is the Pats: O’neil, Srings, Hobbs, Harrison and Merriweather. They will cause us problems.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris McAlister – has not managed 16 total games over the past two years
Samari Rolle – missed 6 regular season games last year
Corey Ivy – Is an absurdly bad corner. Let us never refer to him as a “decent” anything that involves football ever again.
Fabian Washington was our best healthy corner last year.
Oftentimes, we had to start Frank Walker, which was suboptimal, because he’s really a dimeback/nickelback at best.
Not a Jets fan, but last time I checked Darrelle Revis was actually a pretty good player. And actually stayed healthy, which allowed him to play on the field. Jets have Leonhard/Rhodes/Sheppard/Revis. Our defensive backs are better, primarily because we have Ed Reed, who is awesome.
Note I specifically said Leonhard is “no great shakes” I was just pointing out that he did in fact do a lot of deep coverage, and was probably best at deep coverage and on the blitz where he didn’t have to worry about being half a foot shorter than whoever he was covering.
by math_geek on Mar 10, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it Ed Reed
or your pass rush that made your secondary look so good?
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by poz on Mar 10, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ed Reed I think.
Our pass rush is above average. We sacked the quarterback 34 times last year. That’s not really a ton of sacks. I mean, maybe that underrates our pressure or something. (I’ve noticed that our blitzers can’t tackle the quarterback). But really, on Pressure we have Terrell Suggs and Trevor Pryce and that’s pretty much it for consistent pass rushers.
Ed Reed, however, completely changes an opponents offense, because risks that you can take against other teams can really turn into pick-six.
by math_geek on Mar 10, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oftentimes, we had to start Frank Walker, which was suboptimal
Haha, I find this funny!
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by Kurupt on Mar 10, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was laughing about that too
doesn't buy posluzny.
by JPH on Mar 10, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should have read Football Outsiders Bill Barnwell
My vote for Ed Reed as defensive player of the year came thanks to what surrounded him in the Baltimore secondary. To review quickly:
* Reed starts at one safety spot. He’s questionable for half the year, but plays all 16 games at an elite level. This will be more impressive in a minute.
* Dawan Landry starts beside him. He suffers a scary spinal injury in Week 3 and misses the rest of the season.
* Chris McAlister starts at one corner. He gets benched after a poor performance against the Colts, and has consecutive weeks where he goes from Questionable to Doubtful to Out to Injured Reserve with a knee injury. He ends up playing seven games.
* Samari Rolle starts at the opposite corner. He misses five games with a neck injury before returning for good in Week 10.
* Rolle’s replaced by Fabian Washington. Washington goes down in the Titans game with a shoulder injury and misses Week 6.
* Washington’s replaced by Frank Walker. Frank Walker does not get hurt, which forces the Ravens to continue playing him.
http://footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2009/2008-adjusted-games-lost
by math_geek on Mar 10, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are the ravens bloggers sleeping?
What’s with all the Ravens talk here?
by jj24 on Mar 10, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's my fault
Ravens 1
Bills 2
So I hang around here a lot, and pipe in when people start talking about Ravens or former Ravens players
by math_geek on Mar 10, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which forces the ravens to continue playing him
i got a chuckle out of that one.
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by BenAllen on Mar 10, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Revis is so much better than any of the CB’s Baltimore had last year….
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by Kurupt on Mar 10, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully I didn’t rant too bad in the Pats blog yesterday – but when they go all we’re the greatest ever and your not relevent at all – I get a little “peeved” if you will
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by J2 on Mar 10, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
way to represent J2
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by poz on Mar 10, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's
easy to get peeved…..but hard to argue 3 straight 7-9’s, and having not beaten the pats in 6 years
MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens
by MARVelous on Mar 10, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly
why i think its more telling that the Pats fans are willing to admit that TO is cause for certain game planning while the Dolphins “dont care”. Maybe thats why the Pats fans have come to expect and receive the highest level of excellence in the NFL. They are always respectful of new threats, Shawn Springs anyone?
The Pats have the least to fear of TO than anyone else so they are honest. The Dolphin fan analysis just reeks of defensive and childish stuff. Either way, we have to prove ourselves as worthy opponents after last year.
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by poz on Mar 10, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are always respectful of new threats, Shawn Springs anyone?
I’m all for giving credit where credit is due, but the Pats had a verbal in place with Springs two full days before T.O. signed with the Bills. They just got lucky on that one.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 10, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but you still have to appriciate the team's desire to always get better (if not older :-P)
At least the Pats fans have respect.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They just got lucky on that one.
Dang it! They get lucky too? As last year’s 11-5 record proved, even with really bad luck (Tom Brady going down in the first game is as unlucky as it gets) they can win.
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by poz on Mar 10, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good analysis/rebuttal Brian
Someone brought this up when I posted Matty I’s comments the other day… What is Chad Pennington then?
The addition of Owens doesn’t make Buffalo Super Bowl contenders; nor does it help them build for the future. So what’s the point?
He didn’t make them Super Bowl contendors nor did he help them build for the future. He stabalized a position of need. That’s what Owens can do. He doesn’t have to make us a Super Bowl team, just get us back on track like Pennington did.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 10, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hell yeah that was this guy.
The captial of Youboty is Youboty.
by thatguy34 on Mar 10, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So much with the sour grapes from the division rivals
has OBD fallen asleep or do they think they are done? I’m hoping the T.O. sining was not just a move to sell tickets in Toronto. Do they have anybody else schedueled to come in? What happened to Cato June?
by gjv on Mar 10, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Toronto’s not going to be a sell out until Rogers Communications sells the tickets at fair prices, OBD could if the Toronto expirement succeeds of fails, they already have their 78 MILLION for renting out the games to the Rogers centre. All the money from the tickets and merch. from the games in Toronto goes to the Rogers Communications Corporation, not Ralph Wilson or OBD.
My bet is Ralph was laughing his way to the bank when he saw how much of a desaster the two games in Toronto were last year.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Toronto game sold out
but wasn’t successful.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 10, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rogers Centre holds 55 000+, there was only about 52 000 at the game, how is that a seelout?
The NFL lifted it blackout rule on none sellout games so that it’s first real game in Canada wouldn’t look like a himuliation. As a result a few stations (including ESPN) failed to do their homewrok and called it a sellout, but it was not.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They sold all the tickets...
ergo, sellout.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 10, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they did not seel all the tickets
I remember radio announcement on the day of the game saying tickets still available, and those were running all the way to kickoff. Trust me man, it wasn’t a sellout.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it was televised with no blackout restrictions.
So the tickets were bought by someone.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 11, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude look up
The NFL lifted it blackout rule on none sellout games so that it’s first real game in Canada wouldn’t look like a himuliation.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 11, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your own CBC sees it differently.
You were referencing the Steelers preseason game.
There were thousands of unsold tickets for the Bills-Steelers pre-season game, and the Bills-Dolphins didn’t sell out until the 11th hour, sparing organizers the embarrassment of a television blackout.
The Dolphins game sold out, at the last minute yes, but sold out.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 11, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
Both Global and CBS said that the game wasn’t a sell out and that the NFL was lifting the blackout on the game. I guess that the blackout would have been lifted if they didn’t sellout.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 11, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In case you journeyed to Mars (perhaps with Dr. Manhattan and/or Laurie Jupiter)
I will take care of Laurie Jupiter, someone else will have to take care of Dr. Blue Dangle


You can’t let T.O. use your man berries as a chew toy!
by Joe P. on Mar 10, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
someone else will have to take care of Dr. Blue Dangle
It was so unnecessary too. Why did he have underwear/codpiece on some times, but was just hanging out the rest of the time?
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by Kurupt on Mar 10, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could write a novel on this.
He had the underpants on while in Vietnam because at that point in time he was working for the government. As he continued to grow more and more unattached to humans, he decided that he didn’t need to wear clothes. (He actually started with a full suit, then went down to the underpants, then went with, um, blue, in the novel.)
It’s not “unnecessary” – it’s supposed to keep the line between Manhattan and God plainly visible – but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t uncomfortable.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 10, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could write a novel on this.
Didn’t they already do that? A graphic novel anyway.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 10, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was the novel about Manhattan’s dangling participle? No, no it wasn’t.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 10, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are going to write a book about a fictional man’s danglies?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 10, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. I’m going to stop talking now, is what I’m going to do. I just wanted to say “dangling participle” because I heard Pam say it recently on an episode of The Office.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 10, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying God is a woman :-)
You can’t let T.O. use your man berries as a chew toy!
by Joe P. on Mar 10, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
Most defiantly.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 10, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
would explain a lot of the worlds misteries anyways :P
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your avatar says yes
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by Kurupt on Mar 10, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the movie, didn't he wear clothes when he was going on TV, but not in the lab?
You can’t let T.O. use your man berries as a chew toy!
by Joe P. on Mar 10, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Same in the novel. He also wore the suit to Blake’s funeral.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 10, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big fan Brian?
Says i to the man with a picture of Rorschach as his avatar.
Seriously though, you into graphic novels or just the Watchmen?
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly the latter, but a little of both. I’m something of a Watchmen “fanboy”, I believe is the term.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 10, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t read Watchmen yet, but it’s on my list.
I really enjoyed The Killing Joke though
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pats just signed CB Leigh Bodden to a 1yr deal
hmmm……you think that was a response to the Bills signing TO for one year? The Pats, btw, now have Shawn Springs, Ellis Hobbs and Bodden – their secondary looks pretty good now.
by Renegade23 on Mar 10, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gonna look pretty good trying to catch Lee or TO
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by J2 on Mar 10, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t they also have Deltha O’Neil? or did he retire?
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 10, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dissapointed in Matty I
For quite some time now, Matty I has been one of the best bloggers on SB. The Phinsider is an excellently done site with consistently intelligent, insightful commentary and articles. So I have to say that I am immediately disappointed that like so many other columnists and bloggers on the national level, the very first thing he did when commenting on the Owens signing is to attack the city of Buffalo. Not the team, not the fans…the region.
Having to live, work and play in Buffalo is not a punishment, no matter how many times bigoted regionalistic-supremacist big-market writers like Clark Judge from CBS Sports, Matthew Darnell from Yahoo Sports and now you parrot the lie. If you don’t like the decision because TO is a cancer, fine. If you don’t like the decision because you think he’s old and burnt out, fine. If you don’t like the decision because he will harm the progress of players like Edwards and Hardy, fine. Those are all legitimate arguments. But why the hell did you have to imply that playing in Buffalo is a punishment? That’s not commentary, that’s bigotry.
Matty, I expected better from you.
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by Calvert on Mar 10, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It was Matty I...
but I’m not convinced he was bashing Buffalo the town, rather Buffalo the team. It’s not nice either way but it wasn’t aimed at us. It was aimed at Dolfans on his blog.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 10, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am completely convinced it was aimed at the city
He was making fun of TO having to live a year in Buffalo like its some horrible place. You know it deep down MRW….I know Matty I is usually a good guy but that was bad. And it should be acknowledged as such.
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by poz on Mar 10, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree...
he most definitely sounded like he was bashing the city, not that i know for sure. i don’t know if he’s ever been there(it is a craphole, but i still love the place), but most outsiders who have never been there(and most who have) talk bad about it. they never see the positives!
LET'S GO BUFFALO!!!!!!
by BenAllen on Mar 10, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the biggest criticisms of the Bills...
..is that they have a relatively low average attendance percentage at 89.2%. So despite the fact that the Bills are still ranked 7th in the league in attendance, the league considers them a poor attendance market because of the percentage of empty seats.
Guess who was the only team other than the Lions who had a worse one?
If the poor sell-through is an argument to move the Bills, why aren’t we hearing the same thing about the Dolphins…who had all those empty seats despite going from the worst team in the league to division champions? Why are the Bills being criticized for allegedly not supporting a team that hasn’t been to the playoffs in a decade while Miami gets a free pass for doing worse in all facets of attendance while being AFC East Champions and engineering one of the most impressive turnarounds in recent memory?
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by Calvert on Mar 11, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But where did he trash the city?
Did he bash the weather? The fact that there was “nothing to do” here? Or the fact that maybe our team hasn’t been to the playoffs in ten years?
It would be hard for me to be convinced either direction here.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 11, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First, he said he felt sorry for Owens having to spend a year in Buffalo as if that was some sort of ultimate punishment. That was deliberately derogatory. There are certainly many worse places to play in regards to the continual poor performance of the team. The season before last, Matty I’s own city was one of them.
Second, he said that one of the principal reasons for the signing is that it would help sell tickets. The Bills were 9th in attendance in 2007 and 7th last season…simply extraordinary attendance figures for a team that has not been to the playoffs in a decade. Last season the Dolphins were worse than the Bills in attendance in every category (total attendance, average attendance and percentage of seats sold) despite being in a much larger and much wealthier market and having the divisional champions. The Dolphins are in a significantly worse bind in regards to ticket sales than the Bills are and that was before the TO signing. That shows a significant lack of very basic research on Matty’s part. The Bills are not having problems selling tickets. If they were, they would not be in the top-ten in attendance. They’d be near the bottom…like the Dolphins are.
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by Calvert on Mar 11, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why argue about this here? Head over to the Phinsider and ask Matty I what he meant.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 11, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better yet see ABOVE about this!
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by BILLS on Mar 10, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nostradamus
judging by owens’ comments during the press conference, he doesn’t really want to play for buffalo. he began saying something along the lines of (and these are not exact quotes) “i’m sure buffalo isn’t the most ideal place for a lot of people…it doesn’t matter the team. sometimes i beat to my own beat….was it the money, who knows? maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t” Let’s face it folks, he alternatives were rather weak. Buffalo suits him because they are a team on the verge of making the playoffs. Thus, if he were to come in and behave and help them get over the hump, it will benefit him when he once again becomes a free agent. I don’t see him staying with the Bills longer than a year. But to those people who are discrediting this move and calling it a mistake, or one that will not bolster the Bills’ performance, they are mistaken.Their assumptions are seriously flawed. He will, undoubtedly, instantly make the Bills better. They will make the playoffs. They will advance to the AFC championship game. B-I-L-L-I-E-V-E it!!!!!
by jzoom45 on Mar 10, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice
rec’d!!!
good to see our colleagues views all posted in one place rather than looking all over for them.
LET'S GO BUFFALO!!!!!!
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