Can hold his own on the left side, and Chambers may be able to as well. Our perceived value of the “left tackle” position as a whole is overblown. As long as our line is cohesive and block their assignments, we’ll be ok. If the Bills trade Peters, that in all likelihood means we’ll get Alex Mack, and several other top line prospects. How about those bananas?

I just want to substantiate your argument by saying that the Bills just gave TO a 1 year 6.5 million dollar deal ALL in guarantees. I think this is another indication that the Bills are thinking “win now”.

In addition, I think draft picks can often be overrated. I’m not sure that a couple of first round draft picks would end up being better than keeping jason peters. I respect that people think there is a lot of value in the draft, but it’s my opinion that the odds are pretty low we end up getting equal talent in the draft as jason peters, even with two picks.

Walker isn’t going to play left tackle. He’s not fast enough to keep up with speed rushes from left defensive ends. He’d be destroyed by the elite speed rushers who play right defensive end.

Trent will get killed by week 10. Walker can’t handle the LT position and I don’t want to hear about how great he played there in limited duty this year. He can’t handle the speed players he’d be facing on a consistent basis.

Ditto.

This is an interesting rumor (and it is almost definitely based on the fact that it makes sense and not because anybody knows anything). If Buffalo could get the picks outlined, I would be both shocked and excited at the same time. They can’’t get this deal period (literal period – .).

Trading Peters to Philly for a first and mid round pick is a legit possibility based on how much Buffalo thinks they have to spend and what Philly is offering. Personally I would move him if the deal is right. I think he’s a stud tackle, but I would rather have a late first and a mid round pick then give Peters a huge multi year contract worth 10 mil per year to keep him.

Walker on LT, Butler on RT, Deffinatly trade for Waters at LG, Hangartner as RG, Mack at C.

And we can draft Orakpo/Maybin/brown at 11, Cushing/Maualuga at 21 and Mack at 29. sounds promissing

But all in all our O-Line would be weaker, so i’m still not sure if i like it.

Some people think it’s where he should be but I personally do not.

I would take their 1st and 2nd.

Pace is now free, check PFT for that here so what if the Bills plan to bring Pace in on a 3 year deal (He played all 16 games last season). Trade Peters to Philly for say their 2 1st rounders AND their 5th. They trade for Waters with their 3rd and 5th allowing them to fill holes from there.

Say Brown/Maybin/Orakpo at #11, Pettigrew at #21, Mack at #29, they then still have their 2nd rounder to use on any player left.

Whoa, I think I just busted my conspiracy laden mind with this one.

Here it is.

It looks at the whole season of Peters.

2 firsts would be sweet, but i think i still prefer having Peters

It would only cap off a pretty good offseason if that LT became a good player, and quickly….

if he wants to hold out he’s only hurting himself

Actually, no. He’s significantly hurting the team…again.

I can pass up 2 first rounders cuz we all know how tough it is to hit on draft picks and Peters is a Pro-Bowl LT in 2009 in a season we must win….having Trent on his backside all game will kill Trent, kill our offense, and then T.O. will kill Trent

Philly giving up their 2 1st round picks this year. probably more likely to give up their higher 1st this year, a 2nd and their 1st next year.

IF we get both first rounders, and especially if we get those plus more, history tells us we will be the ultimate winners in that trade. If we say “Tackle” instead of “Left Tackle” it starts to put things in proper perspective. If we get good talent for O-Line in the first round, by game 4 we don’t even notice that Peters is gone. Mike Gandy was the starting left tackle of one of the league’s best offenses that went to the the Super Bowl. Don’t buy the hype that surrounds the left tackle position. It kind of overblows it like “Cover Corner” and such does for DBs. Sure Peters is great, and he won’t be replaced instantly, but if we get 2 firsts plus for him, you have to pull the trigger. We could be set for 6+ years on the line, and with greater talent than we have now. What if we show Peters the money, and next year his achilles explodes? I know you could say that about anyone, but we minimize risk with the draft and maximize the available talent on the roster. We have a lot of holes, and if we can trade one and fill two or more, we’re that much closer to the goal.

As far as Peters, he is great, and could be elite. But maybe Ron from NM can answer this question: What is the performance level of an “Elite” tackle versus a Good to Great one, and how does it affect results on the field? Peters was good last year, but was he elite?

I think we can replace Peters, not exactly, but good enough with a lot of upside. Only for a pile of picks though. That is the key to the trade. I don’t think we will get what the rumor says. If it is Ditka trades up to get Ricky Williams level, pull the trigger for sure!

the only way you trade Peters is with BOTH first round pics. screw the second round, I want both first round pics cause Peters is that good.

funny!

I agree with you completely. But the fact is, he got it, and it looks good on his resume.

What if that 16 year old was an internet entrepreneur at the age of 12?

that OL would give Trent 5 seconds max to throw before he get kill.

I really don’t like Walker at LT.

Walker is a mauler… he can’t contain the speed rushers. It can’t happen on Trent’s blind side. (WORSE)
Butler is injury-prone and moving more at RT would make him more injury-prone. Plus he hasn’t played tackle since college (WORSE)
LG – Waters is obviously better (BETTER)
RB – Hangarner (BETTER)
C – Mack (BETTER)

So the interior gets better as the exterior (and most important for the passing game) gets considerably worse. Yeah you get to have your cake and eat it too by drafting a defensive player like DE or Mauluaga (BTW – how did you get both Mauluagua and a new DE? Plus he will never play outside he will be MLB here)

You waiting until next year for that?

You have an entirely new left side of the line. That would scare me.

Philly probably wants more of a sure thing than Pace would be. If we signed him and traded them Peters, we’d have the draft picks to add the depth behind Pace that we would need.

Ried is looking for the next Runyan, not the current Pace.

And believe me, we’ll all be real tired of doing that soon enough anyhow

Clayton on ESPN mentioned on two different shows that it could be a possibility. But again, this isn’t even a rumor, it is entirely speculation because it makes some sense for both teams.

The only good sign about that is that apparently Philly fans judge other teams’ players by madden ratings. I can only imagine how much of a better blog we are.

the Bills won the superbowl, so…

The Bills say “look at how many sacks you gave up. You’re not elite.” and then Peters and his agent say “But I made the Pro Bowl and was a second team All-Pro (and I have a 97 rating in Madden).” SO that’s why they are so far apart in my estimation.

I’m sure the Bills’ front office “Inner Circle” doesn’t overvalue Peters the way we do. People see “Left Tackle” and go all go all ga-ga in the “We would NEVER be able to replace him” way. That simply isn’t true. The only flaw is whether or not our scouts can find the right guy. If we get 2 1sts plus a later round or next year pick, then we pull the trigger. If we get one of their firsts, I would say we’d need some combo of 4 picks at least.

Also, some have said “They would never give their two first rounders” and that isn’t true either. They are late first rounders, so they are basically 2nd rounders plated in gold. If they feel the need enough for Peters, they will cough it up.

Just like the Waters trade, this rumor will probably go away, at least until the draft. I think we might be surprised the craziness that might ensue at the draft this year. There’s a LOT of talent that no one is sure about. Either nobody will budge or everyone moves around the board with trades. I am so excited now. :)

Insomnia can mess with your brain. You know it sounds crazy. :-)

These trades don’t happen in the NFL. If the Broncos had pulled that off with the Bucs and Pats for Cassell I would hvae been shocked.

You are basically trading a Peters for Peppers. This does not give us more picks. Show me the picks!!!

I think most people say trade him for two first rounders… Then we can use the #11 spot on a DE. Get a new LT with one of the new guys.

Holy caps lock, Batman.

I think you trade him for 2 first round picks. Thats just me – but I also like Chambers. I’ll wait to hear from Ron as well.

But Buffalo wouldn’t do a trade without having some sort of plan in place.

for two more years. His leverage would be to hold out if we don’t give him an extension. Then we all lose. No Pace, no draft picks, just a big zero at the LT position.

It’s not like we could terminate his deal and say “you’re the franchise tag guy now” and wipe out the remainder of his contract. I also don’t think they’d want to do that (either side).

The deadline to franchise players has already passed. Peters cannot be franchised.

If Peters holds out history will repeat itself. He’ll rack up fines and show up right before the season so the team has to pay him. It will take him several games to get back to form and he may or may not get a gift from his fellow players in the form of a 3rd Pro Bowl appearance. The damage to the Bills will be pretty much the same as it was this year—except for the fact that the Bills won’t start the year against the Wests (NFC and AFC) so the first games could be uglier this time around.

If Peters holds out—and I believe he will if he doesn’t get a monster deal—I think he’ll actually be hurting himself more than the team. Every owner in the league will see a guy who packs up his toys and goes home when he doesn’t get his way. Sure, someone will sign him when his playing days in Buffalo are at an end—but maybe not to the sort of monster deal that he’s trying to squeeze out of OBD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League#Free_agency

Restricted free agents if they are offered the RFA tender are required to stay with their current teams. Nobody would franchise a RFA because it would cost ten times the restricted tender amount.

If the Bills were going to franchise Peters, he wouldn’t have to agree to it.

If they tore up his contract and franchised him, there would be no clause in his contract about not be franchised twice because he wouldn’t have a regular contract.

remember though – we are in a “win now” mode. If we have 3 new linemen and our franchise left tackle is gone – that slows the process down again. Then your looking at least half the season until they gel.

He is going to be 34 years old. He was cut for a reason.