Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Clippers Need To Realize That Spurs Are The Anti-Grizzlies

Recapping Buffalo's free agent activity to date

Owensjersey_medium
Further proof that this T.O.-to-Buffalo business isn't a mirage.  (BuffaloBills.com)

Terrell Owens!  Until the day he's done playing for the Buffalo Bills, I'm starting to doubt I'll ever go an entire day without mentioning his name.  The novelty hasn't worn off yet, thankfully, so the more T.O., the better.  But as we talk about Owens incessantly, the rest of Buffalo's moves gets a little lost in the equation.

Consider this your off-season-to-date recap post.  Here's everything the Bills have done.  Be sure to vote in the poll for our off-season approval rating, and leave your thoughts on the off-season in the comments section.  Terrell Owens.

UFA re-signed
FB Corey McIntyre, OT Kirk Chambers, CB Dustin Fox

RFA/ERFA tendered or re-signed
QB Gibran Hamdan, RB Fred Jackson, TE Derek Schouman, DE Copeland Bryan, OLB Keith Ellison, OLB Blake Costanzo, MLB John DiGiorgio, FS George Wilson, LS Ryan Neill

Free Agent Additions
QB Ryan Fitzpatrick, WR Terrell Owens, C Geoff Hangartner, CB Drayton Florence

Free Agent Subtractions
QB J.P. Losman, TE Robert Royal, OT Jonathan Scott, OG Derrick Dockery, OG Jason Whittle, C Duke Preston, C Melvin Fowler, OLB Angelo Crowell, OLB Teddy Lehman, CB Jabari Greer

Remaining needs
STARTER: OG, OLB
DEPTH/IMPACT: RB, TE, OG/C (x2), DE, DT, LB, S

Poll
In general, do you approve of Buffalo's free agent decisions to date?
YES. Terrell Owens. Other dudes. Terrell Owens.
786 votes
NO. Too many holes, too many times. I miss J.P.
106 votes

892 votes | Poll has closed

Comment 46 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

So far so good

But I would really feel alot better about this FA period if we could secure at least one more vet lineman and a OLB, but I am starting to think OBD wants a draftee LBer to give them some additional youth there.

Otherwise, were moving along, and making smart decisions money-wise, oh yeah, and we got Owens.

Anyhow, as long we can get Peters locked up to a fair to us deal, I would say that the FA period has overall been a success for the Bills. And just for fun, Owens, TO TO TO TO TO TO TO TO Owens. There, got that out of my system.

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Mar 12, 2009 6:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Notice that Jauron wouldn’t call him TO?

"Buffalo Bills Football 2009 (sponsored by Labatt): A Future as Uncertain as the Beer You’re Drinking"

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 12, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just as long as he doesn't call him "the player" :-)

You can’t let T.O. use your man berries as a chew toy!

by Joe P. on Mar 12, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not anymore.

Buffalo Rumblings - all you care to know about the Buffalo Bills and more

by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2009 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did you listen to the Toronto interview?

It’s hilarious…. he basically calls out Hardy and says to give him the number and he ain’t payin’. “If I’m creating problems in the locker room that’s the first one.” I laughed my butt off.

Playing Eternal Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 12, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hardy was 82 in college. I’d bet he has a real affinity for 81, especially with the way his rookie campaign unfolded. I do think that if Owens demands the number, he’s gotta pay – it’s tradition!

"Buffalo Bills Football 2009 (sponsored by Labatt): A Future as Uncertain as the Beer You’re Drinking"

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 12, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

The tradition

Is paying the poor young sap for his number.

by syrbillsfan on Mar 12, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

He said he wouldn't pay.

And 82 is taken. What number is Hardy gonna wear? Is 88 free?

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 12, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shouldn’t it be “Free Agent Additions” and then “Free Agent Additions by Subtraction”?

The captial of Youboty is Youboty.

by thatguy34 on Mar 12, 2009 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Smart Business

Bring in one huge signing.

Fill other roles with guys that are not high profile© and are seen as up and comers© and not very costly.

Got rid of a lot of crap by that “addition by subtraction” method (JP).

I think they’ve done pretty well for themselves – but I also am taking their word that Hangartner is going to be a viable starter and an upgrade from Preston and Fowler.

Decent job OBD

JUST WINN BABY WINN!!!!!!

by J2 on Mar 12, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

meh – the © is suppose to be C in () for the center position

JUST WINN BABY WINN!!!!!!

by J2 on Mar 12, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not alot of FA DEs worth the money, or LBs or interior lineman or LBs….now the only options to me I see through trade routes…yet they might be waiting till draft day or after the draft to sign some more FAs like a RB and that. I would like to see another signing or two before the draft

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on Mar 12, 2009 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Crowell seems like a no-brainer at this point, to me anyway.

"Buffalo Bills Football 2009 (sponsored by Labatt): A Future as Uncertain as the Beer You’re Drinking"

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 12, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a brainer. He’s not coming back.

Buffalo Rumblings - all you care to know about the Buffalo Bills and more

by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know you have proof of this. I just find it idiotic NOT to bring a guy back that knows the system and is a playmaker. It’s silly when there’s no one in place who’s a good fill, and they have to look at a rookie again.

"Buffalo Bills Football 2009 (sponsored by Labatt): A Future as Uncertain as the Beer You’re Drinking"

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 12, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm

a little disappointed/concerned with what they have done and might do to the OL….still so many questions revolving around there…will Peters get extended, traded, hold out, suck? Will we trade for Waters in KC? Will we draft an OL in round 1-3?

I’m really concerned about our OL and our ability to rush the passer yet again. We have done nothing on the front 7 side of the defense, and if we don’t we are screwed.

MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens

by MARVelous on Mar 12, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

With the T.O. signing it's just above average at best, but FA is not over yet.

If we could just sign a LB or find a good vet guard, one of these two things i would feel so much better headin into the draft.. because right now we have too many holes to fill in order for the draft to answer all our questions. Unless they feel good about chambers filling the LG spot…idk, he would be an upgrade over dock in the pass blocking area, and i would imagine can’t be much worse run blocking, but we still need depth on the line, a better LB (although i could handle another year w/ ellison, but i’d rather not), a pass rusher, a TE… and i think those are our most important needs at this time.. and that RB/S/DT should be put to the way side until these areas are addressed

by Shovel51 on Mar 12, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

plus after the draft they might pull a trade.

I’m guessing their probably done because the draft is right around the corner. But they’ll try to fill spots via the draft and any glaring holes can be filled with who evers left or a trade with another team.

might be the path they are taking

Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.

by J2 on Mar 12, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Peters is once again the key

I voted ``yes’’ in the poll. One big name FA to get people excited, a large number of second and third tier guys to fill out the roster. Don’t care much for letting Jabari go, but that is the way the Bills do business much of the time: they develop a player and when his price is deemed too high, they let somebody more desperate take a chance. See Antoine Winfield. See Pat Williams.

Caveat: without a stud protecting Trent’s blind side, we are screwed. Same questions as last off-season. If the Inner Circle really wants to get the fan base energized (although I do admit adding T.O. is pretty energizing), they’ve got to lock up our only other legit top tier player. Time to pay the man and eliminate the anxiety about whether he’ll be here or not, whether he’ll show for OTA’s or not, whether he’ll be in NFL condition or not when he gets on the field.

I am feeling anxious about these rumors that Peters is being shopped for a trade.

Very anxious.

by Defensewinsgames on Mar 12, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

TE should be in the starter category

I think Brian’s list is very accurate but I would move TE to the starter category. Schouman and Fine are definitely not legitimate starters and probably never will be. That means that there are currently three critical holes to fill on the starting team: OLB, TE, and LG. I could see them getting filled in the draft in that order except for the fact that there is a chance all the really good TE’s could be gone before the Bills’ second round pick. How they are going to handle that is a big question.

by Macktruck on Mar 12, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

The other wildcard is how will rookies do as starters out of the box? It’s worrisome to me that this seems to be their approach. Plus that D-line is pathetic, and it’s probably not going to get addressed first.

"Buffalo Bills Football 2009 (sponsored by Labatt): A Future as Uncertain as the Beer You’re Drinking"

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 12, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

What is really wrong with Fine?

He may not be a pro bowler, be we barely saw him. He was a rookie last year, and played sparingly in 10 games. He had some time injured at the beginning of the season if I remember correctly. Why don’t we give him another year? I’m sure he’ll be more active in the passing game. Sure he won’t be a field stretcher, but he can cover the intermediate middle and also block. I’m not against drafting a TE for depth, but I think Fine will fit our needs for this year. Even Schouman can catch a ball occasionally if the Bills go two TEs. What makes Fine “not a legitimate starter”? If being a starting TE was just about catching the ball, maybe, but it’s not. Have you seen stats on TEs? They’re not that spectacular except in a very few cases. Overall, we could have used more production from our TEs last year, especially in the red zone, but we brought in TO. That bumps Reed to the slot. We don’t need pass catching from TE if we go with three WRs. I think with Evans, Owens, Reed, and Fine on the field we’ll do better than you think. I think Fine might get us a shade above Royal and Riemersma with the other guys we’ll have out there. 40-50 catches, 500-600 yds, 4-5 TD’s. That’s if they even need to pass to him. If his stats were less than that, it would be the better for Reed, Owens, and Evans.

by syrbillsfan on Mar 12, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on Fine. As I’ve stated before, I think he turn out to be a player…

by krytime on Mar 12, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling

that OBD is planning on plugging in Chambers at LG, and let him battle it out with a rookie. I think they are trying to veer away from signing interior linemen to big contracts. Peters,Chambers,Hangartner,Butler,Walker. That’s a pretty decent line. We need depth really bad if their plan indeed is to start the above five.

I hope that one of our first 2 picks is an OLB or a DE. I could see them signing Cato June as a last-ditch if they don’t get their guy in the draft. As far as Crowell, I would have loved to see him return back to Buffalo. But the fact that he’s still out there since the start of FA tells me something. When the Detroit Lions don’t offer you a contract, you know something is wrong.

by Renegade23 on Mar 12, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Decent offseason

Every team has a few holes in it, ours seam to be a little smaller than last years, so thats a positive. Last year we had all the same needs as this year plus WR and CB. We obviously can’t fill every need. So what weakness are people willing to live with at this point?

If they drafted Pettigrew and a guard in the first two rounds, by midseason the offense could be firing on all fours. But the pass rush will stay lame.

If they draft a DE or blitzing LB and a TE in the first two rounds, then the OL will be lame.

If they draft a DE and a guard int he first two rounds, then we will mediocre TE’s.

by south123 on Mar 12, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m willing to live with our TE situation, since I believe Fine is at least good, and because TO, Evans, and Reed will be a great starting receiving corps. I’d rather see DE/LB and OL in the first two rounds.

by thefourwinds on Mar 12, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happy Birthday JP Losman!!!

I’d still like to add some depth at positions before the draft….

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Mar 12, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions  

How big is the roster

Don’t they start training camp with about 85 players? I wonder how many they have right now. They typically draft 7 and sign about 10-15 undrafteds, so they would need 65 veterens signed, right? I wonder how many are right now. Anyone have a count?

by south123 on Mar 12, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

ORRRR, you can look at it here at Buffalo Rumblings and never leave the site again. :D

Buffalo Rumblings - all you care to know about the Buffalo Bills and more

by Brian Galliford on Mar 12, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate math

But I count 63. Seems right on target.

by south123 on Mar 12, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

80 players plus anyone on PUP

by kaisertown on Mar 12, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA

I love that anwer for picking now…“I miss JP” HAHAHA

by Hybrid1486 on Mar 12, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Do we really need to sign/draft 3 interior OLmen? If you figure the depth chart looks like:

LT – Peters – Chambers – Bell
LG – new starter – Chambers – backup G/C
C – Hangartner – backup G/C
RG – Butler – Chambers – backup G/C
RT – Walker – Chambers – Bell

Buffalo needs offensive line depth, but they can get away with a starting caliber player and a solid backup and some depth that won’t make the roster. Most teams only carry 8 offensive lineman even though Buffalo had 9 last season.

If Chambers wins the starting guard spot, then you still don’t need a 9th player. Bell could back up the OTs, or you could still slide Chambers outside if one of the tackles get hurt. If you move Chambers back outside to fill in for an injury you have the guard you signed/drafted to compete with Chambers take over at guard and you still have the backup center you drafted to backup all 3 interior spots.

by kaisertown on Mar 12, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

That's pretty thin depth when you have one guy playing all those positions.

When one guy gets knicked or injured you have nothing. We need at least two more OL guys.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 12, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

carrying 8 offensive lineman gives you three backups for five starting spots of some of the least likely positions to get injured on the roster. Most teams carry 8 OLs and very few teams keep 9 like Buffalo did last year. The only reason Buffalo did in fact keep 9 is because Demetrius Bell earned a roster spot with better than expected play and Buffalo decided to hold on to Whittle almost entirely due to special teams.

And you don’t have nothing. Under this scenario, every position has at least one backup and every position except center can be shifted around to go three deep. Do you think teams have no depth at safety when they only keep 4 on a roster and have 1 backup at each spot and a second backup that isn’t really suited for the role, but could play in a pinch? Do the Bills have bad depth at QB because Hamdan is a bad 3rd QB? You can’t go solidly 3 deep at every position. With 8 guys, you really need 2 injuries before you are in any trouble at all and you still have a backup left despite having 2 guys out of the lineup.

You could lose both starting tackles to injury and still throw a lineup out there of Bell, Butler, Hangartner, guy you brought in to compete with Chambers, Chambers and still have a mid-round pick that you drafted to backup center as a guy who can backup all three interior spots. So you could lose a third OT and still slide Butler outside and start a 5th round pick center at RG and the line would obviously be a mess, but you could survive. In what scenario does a 9th offensive lineman actually play?

by kaisertown on Mar 12, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should add that this is all under the assumption that Buffalo aggressively tries to fill these holes through the draft. Getting a guy like Mack, Unger or Robinson in the second and a mid/late round center (Edwin Williams, Alex Fletcher, Robby Felix, etc…) OR grabbing 2 OL in the 3rd and 4th round. Grabbing a Herman Johnson or Andy Levitre type player in the third to compete with Chambers and a Luigs, Caldwell, Shipley or Edwin Williams type center in the 4th.

If Buffalo is going to just draft one OL in like the 3rd and then grab a crappy FA and a late round pick, then you obviously need a lot more depth to make sure you have guys who can actually handle every position.

by kaisertown on Mar 12, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Buffalo is going to just draft one OL in like the 3rd and then grab a crappy FA and a late round pick, then you obviously need a lot more depth to make sure you have guys who can actually handle every position.

Well said, kaiser.

by thefourwinds on Mar 12, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

But are they a jack of all trades master of none?

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 12, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you don’t have nothing. Under this scenario, every position has at least one backup and every position except center can be shifted around to go three deep.

Right but you have one guy providing all that depth. Under this scenario if one guy goes down you have unproven or un-signed guys manning those spots. Duke Robinson or Mack/Unger/Wood would be a fine addition on the inside to shore that up but if Chambers is the primary back-up for all those positions, we are too close to Demetrius Bell or unsigned guys IMO. The teams that carry 8 linemen have more than one guy who can step in and viably play. Do we have that without adding at least two guys?

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 12, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right but you have one guy providing all that depth

No you have 3 guys proving all that depth. Is it really all that different than only having 2 LBs who can actually come in and back up 3 LB spots? Just because someone is at #2 at almost every spot doesn’t mean that he is the only one providing the depth.

Under this scenario if one guy goes down you have unproven or un-signed guys manning those spots

How exactly is that different from every other position on the team? And how does adding a ninth offensive lineman to the 53 man roster change that?

If Demetrius Bell can’t be the 3rd on the depth chart, why is he even on the team?

The article is partially about how you have to add a new starter to play guard. So you end up with one proven backup in Chambers OR a player who is good enough to challenge him for that starting spot who would be a good backup too. You end up with a player with the specific role of backing up center and who will also be way down on the depth chart and can play some OG if several players go down. And you have Demetrius Bell. So I’m getting the feeling you have more of a problem with Bell being counted on as a legit reserve than you do with only keeping 8 offensive lineman?

by kaisertown on Mar 12, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're missing my point.

When you have one guy as the primary backup for so many positions, you’re bound to use him a lot. Peters hold out and Butler’s injury can realistically happen at the same time. Then you’re stuck with say Demetrius Bell at LT and Chambers at RG or vice versa. It’s just not smart to have Chamebrs be the primary backup for so many positions.

We still need to add an interior line starter and viable interior depth. That’s two guys. That’s what I was saying we needed to add.

And I am not ready to count on Bell yet. I just haven’t seen him do anything.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 12, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess we just disagree on whether or not Bell can handle playing a few games if two players happen to be injured at the same time. I think that it is both a fairly unlikely scenario and that he could handle it as well as anyone else we could bring in to be the 9th OL.

by kaisertown on Mar 12, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's fair.

I really don’t want Chambers as the primary backup all over the place. Too many spots to go over in practice. Plus he may just end up starting and then we have Bell and nobody. I think adding three OL is not only possible, it’s probable. I’m not saying they all stay on the roster but I think they add that many certainly.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 13, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

SB Nation's home for all things Buffalo Bills.
Community Guidelines :: Essential BR

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Dsc00843_small
NFL Divisional Record And Playoff Berth Correlation, 2002-2011
Wallpaper-443169_small
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Men
C6bid_small
In Nix We Trust Pt 2 - #Billsmafia - (Massive Bills Analysis; must read Bills fans!) - (Updated 5/9)

Recent FanPosts

Billscamp_small
NFL CBA Affects Drafting of Quaterbacks
Small
Morning Joe! Major Concern Heading in to the 2012 Season
Small
What Caused Our Stars to Drop?
Black3_small
2012 Offseason Opinions
Small
Fan sentiment about Vince young (Poll)
Fred_small
Rumblers---favorite bills player?
Small
POLL: NFL Rule Change Proposal
Small
Understanding the CHIX plan on special teams
Small
Ghost hunter Buffalo Bills edition and some black magic on the side

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Managers

Screen_shot_2012-03-07_at_6 Brian Galliford

100_2488_small MattRichWarren

Authors

Range_march_2011_small Ron From NM

Slide1_small Der Jaeger

Moderators

Sucks_small Kurupt

Mrsinister03_small sireric

Cordy_small poz