Peters, Bills aren’t close to new contract : Buffalo News
Mark Gaughan at The Buffalo News, citing sources familiar with the negotiations, is reporting that the Buffalo Bills and OT Jason Peters are at least $3 million per year apart in negotiations to re-do to the two-time Pro Bowl tackle's contract.
Peters' first offer was reportedly in excess of the 5-year, $57.5 million deal that Dolphins OT Jake Long signed as the top overall draft pick a calendar year ago.
This will certainly fuel those trade rumors.
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Well it's still early
But wouldn’t surprise me if he asks too much and leaves Buffalo.
I’m going to remain optimistic because negotiations can take time and defiantely go the offer/counter offer route more often than not for high profile players. I’m sure they’ll meet some where in the middle.
Having said that – if we do lose Peters (and thanks Buffalo News for leaking the story that could possibly hurt negotiations for a trade with another team in compensation) then we basically will have a brand new line which hurts very much for continuinity.
this could mean at least 4 games before they try to gel. good thing we have 5 pre season games this year I guess.
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Im not sold on the "gel" thing
Two years with a high priced line all working together and they still weren’t getting it done the way they should. Peters missing a game or two or not, it was still the same guys, and while the system was “different” its still football.
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very true – maybe its not as big of an issue – well for our sake lets hope its not
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by J2 on Mar 13, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
This isn't really new news.
I don’t think potential trade negotiations are hurt because this is in the paper. The Bills wouldn’t be willing to trade Peters unless they thought they couldn’t sign him. Every team looking to trade for him would realize that. Didn’t we know this already? Peters wants a huge contract; the Bills aren’t willing to go HUGE, but would go pretty big… that’s nothing new.
If Peters was a free agent next year there’s no doubt in my mind that he’d get what he’s looking for. The hammer the Bills have is the franchise tag. Also having him under contract now is helpful as Peters would run the risk of injury this year and guaranteed money today is possibly better than 120% of that offer a year from now because of that.
I suspect this will be settled sometime at the start of training camp.
good points
The Bills wouldn’t be willing to trade Peters unless they thought they couldn’t sign him
I’m not so sure on this though – I mean if you look at what the rumors about Peters and Philly, if that was true and they approached Buffalo with 2 number 1’s lets say and then found out that Buffalo didn’t have the money to sign him or won’t sign him – would the 2 number 1’s still be on the table?
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I think so
I don’t think that changes anything.
The Bills aren’t forced to do anything here. They can ride it out if they want. Time is on their side so they have leverage.
And it’s not like the Eagles would be the only one interested. They’d be bidding against (presumably) many other teams. That’s more likely to drive their offer than anything happening in Buffalo.
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Hi Brian,
Thinking back a few years, I was excited about the Bills signing Peters as a Free Agent TE. I was enamored with his athleticism for a man of his size and was glad to see Buffalo bring him on board. As he is now thinking way more highly of himself than he ought, I am just as excited about moving him on to another team that will appreciate him in the way he he think$ he de$seve$. Might Detroit, perhaps think about parting with their draft picks at #20 and #33 as a fair exchange for a “Pro Bowl” caliber left tackle? I think the Bills could use those picks to go effect!
I like that
Its good for Detroit, and good for the Bills. They can get a tackle and Curry and we can really get any TE we want, a LB and a DE. I would be in heaven. Now I m for trading him
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guess so
unless we had other plans…my bad…but a Tackle at 11 or 20 might even be better and cheaper than Peters
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by killascript on Mar 13, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Pro Bowl nominations are akin to Grammys or Oscars.
So once he sees that players and coaches around the league view him as a top talent, he’s going to want top dog pay.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 13, 2009 8:52 AM EDT reply actions
Trade Him!
In my opinion, Peters is way overrrated and if the Bills could swing a trade with the Chiefs for Brian Waters, a guard, then we could let Peters go and worry about finding a tackle later. Jake Long has been a stud for Miami, is younger, and for Peters to turn down an offer paying him more than Long is a joke!
However, a source familiar with talks said Peters’ first offer was in excess of the $11.5 million-a-year deal signed by Miami’s Jake Long, who was the first pick in the draft last year.
Forgive me for being the skeptic, but there’s no way the Bills “first offer” was more than Long’s deal. There’s just no way they would start a negotiation above the previous top paid LT. Not even the “inner circle” is that stupid.
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Peters’ first offer, as in to the team, was in excess of Long’s deal. Gaughan used the wrong word there in “offer”; he should have said “proposal”.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, when I first read it, I read it as Peters asking for north of Long’s deal. Then, I saw BuffaloWhiner’s post and go, “wait a minute, where in the article did it say the Bills offered more than Long?” Then, I re-read it, and Gaughan does make it sound like the Bills made the offer of 11.5 mil.
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Some math
If truly Peters wants to be the highest paid OT in the league, he will ask between 12 and 13 M$. If the gap is 3M$, the Bills offered about 10M$ a year (and that’s about the max I would spend for Peters – personal opinion). a #11 OL pick would command a lot less, and we all know peters’ pro bowl call last year was a joke. He is not the proven #1 LT in the game.
I'd like to know
Does signing Peters to what he wants hurt this team’s financial standing long-term? Or does losing him cost the team more long-term?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 13, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions
well if we lose more because he’s gone then revenue could dip. obviously not one person makes a team – but winning encourages spending on Bills tickets, merchandise, paper plates etc…
personally – we really don’t have a ton of guys making so much cash we can’t afford him. If we are serious about winning we would just cut Kelsay and give Peters the money. Thats just what I think though
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by J2 on Mar 13, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Revenue across the board
Losing fan support hurts in a ton of ways, actually. Gas stations, grocery stores, bars/restaurants, toll booths, hotels, and yes (police departments) – they all will feel the brunt of it if losing Peters meant losing tons of games and the support of fans.
I think trading him sends the wrong message to future prospects, as much as i’d love to see the team leverage him into 2 1st-round picks. They don’t have a good solution to the void he’d leave. They don’t even have one for Dock. I really don’t love the guy, but I admit I know nothing about him aside from the media storm that follows him. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but not if he has a hand in holding the team hostage again this coming season.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 13, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Does signing Peters to what he wants hurt this team’s financial standing long-term? Or does losing him cost the team more long-term?
That’s the golden question. What has more value, Peters at 10+ mil per year (or whatever contract he ends up signing) or what Buffalo would be able to get in a trade (I think its a lot less than most)? It’s all just speculation and guessing without knowing what it would actually take to sign Peters and what teams are really willing to give up in a trade for him.
Negotiations
are adversarial by nature and it’s typical for parties to be “far apart” during the initial stages. what’s not know is how long they’ve been trying to work on the deal.
I think the Bills are going to need to be creative in working a deal that doesn’t create issues with the salary cap for the next couple of years.
working a deal that doesn’t create issues with the salary cap for the next couple of years.
question – do we think that since they are in a “win now” mode – they might throw more money around and not care as much about the future?
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by J2 on Mar 13, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Side note: I love starting sentences with “Question…”
It just reminds me of, “Question: What kind of bear is best?”
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Polar for sure – if you look at them with heat sensitive goggles (like Predator) they barely release any heat at all. ;-)
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by J2 on Mar 13, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
lol – I try to change mine often to something funny – stay tuned folks (btw i will defiantely run out of things sooner or later)
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I am coming for you J2 :-)
How T.O. got #81 as adapted from a "Fish called Wanda"
- After asking for #81 for free, Hardy calls T.O. a cheap, me first team cancer.
[T.O. dangles Hardy out a window.]
Hardy: All right, all right, I apologize.
T.O.: You're really sorry!
Hardy: I'm really really sorry, I apologize unreservedly.
T.O.: You take it back!
Hardy: I do, I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was totally without basis in fact, and was in no way fair comment, and was motivated purely by malice, and I deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused you, or your family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat any such slander at any time in the future.
T.O.: OK.
hahahaha – good one. you got me on the pic though
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Actually there are two schools of thought ……
I love Dwight’s answer as if there actually is a correct answer to the question, what kind of bear is best.
That’s debatable…
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Here’s the quote from http://www.theofficequotes.com/
Jim Halpert: Question. What kind of bear is best?
Dwight Schrute: That’s a ridiculous question.
Jim Halpert: False. Black bear.
Dwight Schrute: That’s debatable. There are basically two schools of thought—
Jim Halpert: Fact. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.
Dwight Schrute: Bears do not… What is going on?! What are you doing?!
Even though the quote doesn’t go this far, you have to love the way it ends with them both yelling “Michael!”
I know that whole part by heart.
Jim: Last week, I was in a drug store and I saw these glasses. Uh, four dollars. And it only cost me seven dollars to recreate the rest of the ensemble. And that’s a grand total of… eleven dollars.
Dwight: You know what? Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, so I thank you.
[Jim puts bobblehead on his desk]
Dwight: Identity theft is not a joke, Jim! Millions of families suffer every year!
Jim: … MICHAEL!
Dwight: Oh, that’s funny. MICHAEL!
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and also – I’m wondering if Russ Brandon is using any of Michael Scott’s negotiating tactics when talking to Peters’ agent.
[quietly] You make a very compelling argument…
I am declining to speak first.
Wikipedia… is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject, so you know you are getting the best information possible.
OK, I’ll stop now… :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Then I guess I hope Peters hasn’t tried using Michael’s negotiating tactics as well..
“You give me a good raise or no more sex…”
But I do kinda hope he said, “Pippity poppity, give me the zoppity.”
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Honestly, I just want to see Peters in the MISSterious women’s suit.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 13, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
We are in win now mode, but not in spend stupid money mode.
By the way, I am not saying the Bills are cheap.
You can’t let T.O. use your man berries as a chew toy!
well not spend stupid money mode – but maybe be a little more apt to give someone like Peters an extra mil or two a year?
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by J2 on Mar 13, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Offer him three more years
Three years at 33 mil and 16 guranteed…to me that is sound…he is higher paid than the highest vet OT, and he isn’t here forever, so we can groom his replacement (Bell or someone else). I mean, the Bills had to be looking at Arizona, nearly winning the Super Bowl with ex-Bill Gandy at LT
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don't need him..
if anything, the fact that Arizona made it to the Super Bowl with ex Bills dynamo Frank Gandy playing left tackle proves that you do not need to have a dominant player at that position if you compensate elsewhere. I’m sick of athletes signing a deal to play for a set amount, and then thinking they don’t have to honor the contract. None of us could get away with that in our employment.
I'm torn
if he wants more than 10 mil a year and they get 2 first rounders for him I would say trade him but if they trade him I will be p…. off because I bought his jersey 2 years ago and just wouldn’t know what to do with i!
Most jerseys become obsolete. All of mine are, actually. I have a Spikes and Fletcher jersey, but picked them up for $7 each, so I could care less who’s name is on the back. I refuse to buy new player jerserys – free agency has ruined it for me.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 13, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Same Here
I made that decision after my McGahee jersey became worthless. I will only ever buy jersey’s of retired players.
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by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on Mar 13, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
This makes me sick at heart, but
Can we just franchise Peters and trade him for a couple of 1st rounders?
Get the Bills back to the big game!
he’s still under contract – he’s just trying to get a pay commensurate with his starting position and what he feels he should be paid
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Does that mean I should do the same thing?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 13, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
hellz yeah – so should I!
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well
this issue is so annoying to me cuz he has 2 years LEFT ON HIS CURRENT DEAL! I mean the dude signed that deal, we have him on the cheap and if he wants to sit out with 2 years left on his deal I say so be it. I say just plan to move along without him and force his hand…I want to resign him but not at Jake Long’s contract….that’s ridiculous. What would be fair is 5 years, $24 mill guaranteed, averaging $8 mill per year, with a club option for a 6th year.
This guy has annoyed me to the point I can’t stand him anymore. Either negotiate or sit your fat as* down and lose money…..I think it’s a fine line between keeping Peters motivated but also not being foolish….this is where Overdorf earns his money
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I disagree
If they let him sit for 2 years, they get nothing for him – NOTHING. That’s bad business and we’ve already seen it happen with Losman, though he did play a tad. They appear to hold the upper hand right now because there’s 2 years left, so if a trade were to become the only option, teams are more likely to give up the goods than wait 2 years for his services. If they don’t work a deal and let him sit, they’re passing up on picks and getting nothing out of him to boot.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 13, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
don't
let him sit….i’m just saying you got to put him in a position where he has more to lose than to gain….that’s business…..and he signed his friggn contract so he has to live with it. But that said you better get this figured out cuz with uncapped years coming up, good luck trying to trade a guy with an expiring contract
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BRAVO!
I agree wholeheartedly with your entire statement!
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by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on Mar 13, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I Don't Care wheter he signed his Deal or not...
SHOW HIM THE MONEY. Period.
They made him play out that terrible contract last year. They better believe he’s going for even more money this year. This is a business. And with wasted money on both lines, the Bills BETTER had find a way to waste a little on Jason Peters.
Do I think he’s asking for much? Yes!
But its about time the Bills over pay the RIGHT players.
Trust me…NOBODY wants to see him LEAVE.
We’ll be in rebuilding mode if he walks.
Well, it’s a negotiation. Let’s see what he eventually signs for before we start criticizing the Bills for not paying him.
The last thing you want to do is just throw a huge offer at him. If you cave that quickly, what if he just comes back asking for even more? They have to talk him down to a more reasonable deal and sign him for something closer to Jordan Gross money (10 mil per year).
This might be worth a discussion...and isn't just to stir the pot.
What if Peters’ play didn’t trail off because of his holdout? What if he was a 1-year wonder? Truthfully, we don’t know. I know he was dominant in run-blocking (eventually). But the concern is more with protecting the QB than anything else.
I’d like to think it’s because of his actions off the field, that his sack-play was last among 32 starters. However (and it would have to be hindsite), if it was because of the alternative, wouldn’t trading him look like the best situation?
He was not drafted, and not signed as a LT. What if the ceiling is low, and his potential has been met?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 13, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions
Am I wrong to call him greedy?
I think we can all agree that Peters is ONE OF top tackles in the league. I don’t mind paying him like ONE OF the top tackles in the league. Isn’t Jake Long the highest paid player at that position? I don’t think I can honestly say that Peters is the #1 tackle in the whole NFL, especially after his performance last season. I don’t care that he missed OTA’s and training camp, he still didn’t perform like the league’s #1 tackle. The fact that he (supposedly) rejected an offer that would pay him more than Long is just ludicrous and a slap in the face to the team. In my mind he does not have a whole lot of negotiating power since he still has 2 years left on his current deal and the Bills have shown they won’t give in to his hold-out tactics.
Yes, I think he has earned top tackle money and I don’t begrudge him that but when he is offered a deal in excess of what last year’s #1 overall pick received he should take it. If he is not careful, Peters is going to quickly turn even more of the fan base against him.
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by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on Mar 13, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
Oops
I misread the article and just realized that Peters is the one who proposed the contract larger the Long’s. I think the point about top draft picks having different contract circumstances is valid and very apt. I still don’t think he deserves to be the highest paid tackle in the league. His production dropped off slightly last year and as Afghan Twilight so astutely pointed out…he could be a 1-year wonder. What if last year is as good as he is going to get. He sure doesn’t seem to have the attitude and mentality of someone who wants to be #1 in anything besides contract dollars.
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by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on Mar 13, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the Bills
are going to go through another one of these holdout-type situations. One year of that nonsense is enough; not two years in a row. They’ll figure it out, so it’s not worth worrying about. Peters will get good money and stay or they’ll trade him. After last year’s debacle, I’m sick about hearing of Peters and his demands.
Here’s what I predicted earlier this offseason:
Jason Peters
If Jason Peters does indeed negotiate a new contract, it’s not unreasonable to expect it to be larger than last year’s number one pick, Jake Long. I am also expecting that Peters and his agent, Eugene Parker, will wait until after some of the top draft picks are signed (gulp – around the start of training camp) before negotiating with the Bills. This way they can use the new contracts of the drafted tackles as their starting point. Last year, Long signed a five year, $57.75 million deal with $30M guaranteed. Peters will be looking for a big increase over that, likely five years for the neighborhood of $65-70M with at least $20M of that being guaranteed money. For a franchise left tackle, that’s not mind-blowing.
Five years, 13M a season. That’s probably right around what he’s looking for now. The Bills probably offer arpund 10M a year. That’s fair. Hopefully they split the difference and go 11.5M per. DONE!
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