Cutler? Why not us?

by BFFL on Mar 16, 2009 2:01 PM EDT

This is half serious and half hypothetical. But what would it hurt for us to make a stab for Cutler. Can you imagine our offense with him? Not only would we have the receiver to stretch the field, but a QB to get the ball to them? I like Trent, he's a smart talented guy, but he doesn't have the arm or the gunslinger mentality that Cutler does. Denver has said they don't want draft picks for Cutler which is good for us in that we don't want to give them up. But we do have a franchise left tackle that is obviously not on the same page with the front office, and a young qb with the potential to be great for a team that can wait a year or two to develop a little more. That is some solid trade bate. That would also hide some of our deficiencies that could be addressed in the draft. So I ask you Bills Nation, why not us?

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Don’t forget that they also have a tight end on the trade block.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 16, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions

Brian, don’t get us too excited!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 16, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Ha, yeah, I meant nothing by it.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 16, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

I like Edwards too much to give up on him now

Plus, he has really assumed the mantle of leader on this team. It was Trent who requested TO, it was Trent who gets the receivers together in the off-season, and it is Trent who has invested himself into the Bills. Who knows what the reaction from the team would be if we shipped him away.

I’ll trade for Scheffler but Edwards is our guy.

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by poz on Mar 16, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions

Absolutly agree with you there

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 16, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I can't believe what is going on in Denver.

I can’t beleive we are even discussing Cutler, because the Bills won’t do it. I would. I guess it makes for some good discussion. I think everyone here knows how I feel about the quarterback position, not specifically on the Bills’ roster, but in general and what it means to an NFL team.

I would give up just about anything for Cutler. However, if it’s this hypothetical Edwards-for-Cutler swap straight up, I would do it in a heartbeat. You make some valid points about loyalty, team concept, chemistry/continuity, potential backlash, etc. The way that I look at it, Cutler is a better player than Edwards (primarily talent, durability, production). Yes, building a team is more important than just getting better individual players. Taking that into consideration, there are many cases and with different positions where I wouldn’t do it. This situation would be an exception because not only do I think Cutler has a chance to be way better than Edwards and just about any other quarterback, but also because it’s at the game’s most important position.

Again, it won’t happen. Let’s hope the best for Trent Edwards.

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by Fort Worth on Mar 16, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions

yea

and I think DJ would not be able to get himself to do it. He loves his guys too much.

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by poz on Mar 16, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Remember, while manageable,

Cutler has Type-1 diabeties. He’s not a lock in the health category. How will the disease affect him come playoff time? I heard he needs about 1 dozen shots a game. That’s 1 every 15 minutes.

I think we all need to realize that last year, Edwards got a concussion off of a MAJOR blow to the helmet and drop to the grass. Anyone else in his shoes would have suffered the same fate.

I think the one guy you don’t want to confuse where allegiances lie is Edwards.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 16, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions

He doesn’t need a dozen shots. He only needs to check his blood sugar level a dozen times (usually less) and you can do that with one of those quick prick machines that takes like 2 seconds. If his blood sugar level drops too low then he just has to drink some gatorade, if they get too high he would need a shoot of insulin, but he would probably never need more than one per game and it can wait until between series to do so. I don’t think his diabetes is a factor, especially considering how well he played despite it being undiagnosed the year before.

by kaisertown on Mar 16, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions

That sounds better. 12 shots would mean the guy is near death.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 16, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, seriously…

by thefourwinds on Mar 16, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions

good article from a Denver blogger

check it out

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by keysh67 on Mar 16, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Interesting…

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by Fort Worth on Mar 16, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Cutler for Edwards straight up I would do no problems whatsoever

Likelihood of DJ or McDaniels even entertaining the thought? Slimmer than Kate Moss to none.

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Mar 16, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions

you gotta remember that if we were to attempt something like this….it can cause some drama on and off the field…i dont think i wanna be like denver right now…Denver screwed up big time, we dont wanna make the same mistake

by nycapital on Mar 16, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions

Trent is our guy

and the last thing I want is another cry baby in that locker room in Cutler. Let alone the two egos that we would have to put up with on a daily basis. NO THANKS. In addition, we don’t have the number one pick or really any staggering collateral to make the move. We have other areas to address before we look at the QB position.

The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.

by Cutter3636 on Mar 16, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions

"What about Cutler?"

Probably not a text message Trent will be sending Brandon anytime soon.

by aranearum on Mar 16, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions

LOL

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 16, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions

not from trent

but maybe fromTO!

by jimkutica on Mar 16, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions

No way

1st off, Trent Edwards is the franchise Quarterback. Like it or not, he’s got 2009 and 2010 to prove otherwise. He’s only started a little over 20 NFL games. Season 3 is when most quarterbacks “get it” and the game “starts to slow down.”

Secondly, Cutler plays great in games the Broncos won. he threw for 4,500 yards, 25 TDs and 18 INTs. In the Broncos 8 Wins he threw 17 TDs and only 5 picks while averaging close to 300 yards a game. In their 8 losses, he threw 8 TDs to 13 INTs. In losses his Yardage dips to an average below 250. Simply put, yes, he’s a gunslinger and can single-handedly win or LOSE you games. Keep in mind he also did NOTHING to help the Broncos in their final 3 losses that cost Denver the playoffs.

Trent is a better GAME MANAGER. He can lead the Bills to Wins with or without doing it himself. Not to mention, he’s still coming into his own and will only get better.

Cutler also could bring lockerroom problems. Yes, the Broncos messed it up. But, players are talked about in trades all the time. Cutler is as much to blame for this situation as anyone else. He’s a type A personality that would not fit into our lockerroom as well as Trent does (esp with 81). Edwards is a quiet, smart, intelligent quarterback, who has become the quiet leader of this team and will keep the lockerroom in tact.

Keep in mind how well Edwards played the 1st 6 weeks last season. He got the concussion, and then he wasn’t quite the same guy. After 6 games last season, there’s not a quarterback in the league you would’ve taken of Edwards. I expect to see the guy from the 1st 6 games back in 2009.

My 2 cents

by Sportscaster on Mar 16, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions

I agree about Edwards (seemingly) being better-equipped to handle Owens.

I think with a ton of attention on Owens, it will help Edwards’ development mentally. I think the kid felt pressured to lift the team and the city up on his shoulders. Owens will WANT that. With Cutler, he’d vie for that spotlight and would clash if their opinions were different.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 16, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Buffalo would implode were they to receive the attention that Owens has and Cutler would bring to the city.

I think it needs to be restated that you build through the draft and strengthen through free agency. I don’t think the staff has built this team to succeed with a QB the likes of Cutler. They’d have to change the entire playbook.

IF we really want to talk about how it could go down, I think it should be 1:1 – as in Peters for Cutler.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 16, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions

Simply put

GAME MANAGERS only win championships if they have a defense like Pittsburgh or Baltimore or NYG. We do not. And you can’t look at what Cutler did with Denver’s offense. He had no O-line, no Running game, and absolutely no defense. The fact that they were a game away from the playoffs is a miracle in and of itself. Trent doesn’t have the raw, natural gift that Cutler does. You can’t coach a player to throw the ball 70 yards. But you can coach him to make good decisions during the game. Our offense is top 15 with Edwards, top 5 with Cutler. What good does signing TO if we cant get him the ball?

by BFFL on Mar 16, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions

You can’t coach a player to throw the ball 70 yards. But you can coach him to make good decisions during the game.

JP Losman couldn’t be coached into making good decisions during the game

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by poz on Mar 16, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions

If Denver has no running game and no O-line

then you might as well cut Marshawn and Freddy and tell everyone on the line to look for a new career because they’ll never live up to your standards.

12 sacks given up all year (lowest in the league), 12 sacks given up all year (needs to be repeated as we had 2 OL give up more than that themselves), 9th in yards per completion and 12th in yards per carry (better than the Bills) despite running 22 different RBs out there on game day.

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by twoeightnine on Mar 16, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions

I don’t think Buffalo signed TO with the intention of not getting the ball to him, and I don’t think they brought him in just to pursue Cutler. Again, they’d have to alter their ENTIRE offensive gameplan. Do they even have the right coaches to do that and to coach Cutler?

Owens makes Edwards better – he raises his ceiling. If Edwards is surrounded with more than 1 playmaker down field (which he now is), I believe you’ll see a more complete QB. I see no need to add this cog (Cutler) to the system. I know the Bills coulda’ should’ve picked him back in the day, but they didn’t.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 16, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Our offense is top 15 with Edwards, top 5 with Cutler.

What’s with the love of Cutler. If Edwards threw almost 39 times a game with TO on the field, he would have at least the same stats as Cutler, if not better. The good thing here in Buffalo is that we have these guys name Lynch and Jackson who can run the ball. With them we can control the clock and win games. Cutler and the Bronco’s could not, hence the ridiculous passing numbers. If you look at the QB Rating (a passing stat using a few different QB metrics) has Cutler and Edwards being virtually identical. Also, if Edwards and Cutler were virtually identical on that Rating, and Edwards had to throw to smurfs all last year, he’ll be much better this year with the addition of T.O.

What good does signing TO if we cant get him the ball?

As far as getting TO the ball, Edwards has a much greater chance of accomplishing that than Cutler. T.O. gets most of his balls on short and intermediate routes where Edwards excels, not bombs. Owens will be very happy with Edwards, thank you very much!

by syrbillsfan on Mar 16, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions

The good thing here in Buffalo is that we have these guys name Lynch and Jackson who can run the ball. With them we can control the clock and win games. Cutler and the Bronco’s could not, hence the ridiculous passing numbers.

They couldn’t? Then why did they run for more yards per carry and more yards per game than the Bills on only 3 less carries a game?

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by twoeightnine on Mar 16, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Must have been a problem on the other side of the ball

Their defense must have been terrible. Anyways, I think Cutler would be a lateral move at best and a step back at worst. Trent’s forward projection looks better than Cutlers, at least in Buffalo.

by syrbillsfan on Mar 16, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions

I didnt say all physically gifted players have a 100% success rate.

by BFFL on Mar 16, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions

I know, I know

just pointing out that it isn’t just coaching that contributes to decision making. That may be a talent some people are born with just as much as arm strength. Also, you don’t throw for 4500 yards and make bad decisions so its not like Cutler is a terrible decision maker. He knows how to score obviously.

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by poz on Mar 16, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions

To further your comment,

18 INTS among 4500 yards isn’t a ton either, unless you’re throwing 63 100-yard bombs.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 16, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions

Cutler's Record

2006 – 2-3 9TD / 5 INT for a team that was 7-4 with Plummer
2007 – 7-9 20TD / 14 INT
2008 – 8-8 25TD / 18 INT

If you look at the game by game logs on ESPN, especially for 2008, he has definitely had an up and down game by game performance. I think if you really analyze the nitty-gritty details you’ll find that Trent had 242 less attempts on the season. That is Edwards 26.7 attempts per game played, Cutler 38.5 attempts per game played. Cutler had big numbers because he threw a ridiculous amount of times. I think with our current cast of WRs and RBs, Trent will give us the best performance, at least compared to Cutler. I see Cutler as a Drew Bledsoe type, if that’s what you’re looking for. I believe this year and in the following years Cutler will actually be worse than Edwards. At least in QB rating, Cutler and Edwards were identical last year. Also, we beat the Broncos if I’m not mistaken.

by syrbillsfan on Mar 16, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions

I'll pass

The guy is talented, but I’ve never been sure about him in terms of personality. His stats might be good, but he never could get them anywhere in the west. Overall, I think I like the team without him better than with him (issues aside, I’d rather have Peters).

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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Mar 16, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions

Cutler is Better

I would trade Edwards for Cutle As someone mentioned above, Jay is more talented than Trent—and the quarterback position is the most important—but Trent is more mature and a better professional. That said, if I were Bills’ management, I would offer Trent Edwards and a 3rd (maybe even second this year) or a 2nd round pick next year for Jay. Edwards’ development has been a bit slow, and he has not demonstrated he is durable enough to play the most important position in the NFL. Jay will mature eventually. He is still young. But he has shown flashes of greatness in his brief career, and most of us know he will be a star—if he isn’t one already. On the other hand, we are all talking about Edwards and his potential. I would take a sure thing over mere promise any day of the week.

by jzoom45 on Mar 16, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions

1st comment

Im new to this site, but already love it. I have to throw my two cents in. People seem to forget that there is no way that Denver will accept Jason Peters in trade. Denver currently has on it’s roster a premier left tackle in the form of Ryan Clady. Clady is one year into his rookie contract, so he is way cheaper then Jason Peters. Also, in the list of sacks per starting left tackles list i saw floating around this site, he had the lowest sacks against total. In my humble opinion there is no way that they could do this. Also there is no way that they would trade a Pro bowl Qb for a talented yet still unproven qb in Trent Edwards. sorry to be a buzzkill but this trade just wouldnt happen.

by Stabby Mcshank on Mar 16, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions

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by Fort Worth on Mar 16, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions

welcome to the site stabby!

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by poz on Mar 16, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Hey! Are you guys pushing for Welcome Mat’s job?

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 16, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I have two t's in my name.

I lay down for nobody! I am a Matt!!!

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 16, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions

hahahahahaha

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by poz on Mar 16, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions

LOL.

Funny.

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by Fort Worth on Mar 16, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions

don’t be so sure of it. denver is in an apparent overhaul if not rebuilding mode. this new coach or the guy upstairs obviously sees something in jay that he doesn’t like and wants to trade him. i think they would take edwards and a draft pick. better than simms. another option is trading him away and signing jeff garcia.

by jzoom45 on Mar 17, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions

I think this has more to do with Bus Cook pushing for the next record breaking contract than it has to do with the Broncos front office not like Cutler. And it was Cutler that asked for the trade, not the other way around.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 17, 2009 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions

McDaniel told Cutler that he wanted Cassel over him

because he molded Cassel and this was after they tried to trade Cutler.

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by twoeightnine on Mar 17, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions

There’s a difference between Denver wanting a guy they were familiar with in Cassel and not wanting Cutler though. If they truly didn’t want Cutler they wouldn’t be trying to work out the differences and they wouldn’t be adamantly denying that they are going to trade him.

by kaisertown on Mar 17, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Didn't Trent beat the broncs this year

and cutler threw the decisive interception…

if trent was in that offense…he may have similar numbers….we’ll see this year as trent now has enough weapons

by tiimbitz4786 on Mar 16, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions

Trent is our guy.......

let the young and the useless soap play out in Denver………

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 16, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions

Agreed

Cutler is a great QB, But I believe in Trent.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 17, 2009 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions

NO!!! We don't need 2 cry babies...

Cutler, “That’s my receiver! It’s not fair.” Owens, “That’s my quarterback!” boo-hoo!!!

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by rest9 on Mar 16, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions

Per Ruben Brown on WGR

Cutlers agent in town meeting with Bills.

He has 30 other clients so might be coincidence

by freddyjj on Mar 16, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions

Are you Serious?????????????

Come on your jerking our chain now

by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Mar 16, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions

Not the first time I’ve heard that. He also represents Tony “America’s Next Top” Scheffler…. I smell a trade cooking.

by BFFL on Mar 16, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions

I would do cartwheels if we got Scheffler…I would throw cartwheels at Russ if we traded Trent for Cutler

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by Hybrid1486 on Mar 17, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions

The Cutler idea is just dumb...

We would have to give up more than I am willing to to get him. You want to say goodby to Trent (who may be better than Cutler) and a 1st round draft pick? I don’t think so.

Tony Scheffler – What can you people tell me about this guy? Is he a legit TE? How good is he?

by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Mar 17, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions