Comparing Trent Edwards to Jay Cutler
by Brian Galliford on Mar 17, 2009 9:00 AM EDT
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Perhaps the most interesting current storyline in the NFL - yes, even more fascinating than the circus surrounding new Buffalo Bills wide receiver Terrell Owens - is the fiasco unfolding between the new-look Denver Broncos and quarterback Jay Cutler. First, new Broncos coach Josh McDaniels tried to trade for Matt Cassel, a quarterback that eventually ended up with division rival Kansas City. Then Cutler heard about it. Then he complained about it until McDaniels met with him and told him he had no regrets. Now Cutler has asked to be traded.
Suddenly, Terrell Owens isn't looking so controversial.
Needless to say, since the Bills have had quarterback issues since Jim Kelly donned the logo, Bills fans everywhere are drooling at the notion of a potential trade for Cutler. Now that speculation is being fueled by the fact that Cutler's agent, Bus Cook, is reportedly in Buffalo. I'm not usually one to write about topics that have no basis in reality, but this one is just too topical and too interesting to pass up. After all - there are a lot of reasons to believe that a deal, even while falling in the "incredibly unlikely" category, could happen. Before we start doing this little comparison, keep one thing in mind: until we hear real, actual confirmation that the Bills have interest in Cutler - and I'll go on record as calling that more unlikely than likely at this point - Trent Edwards remains the face and future of this franchise.
Edwards is entering his third season in the league. He has started 23 games through his first two seasons, amassing a 12-11 record in those starts. Edwards does everything by the book. He's a coach's dream - extremely hard-working, a leader by example, studious, sharp as a tack and shows a constant willingness to learn and re-learn his craft. You'll be hard-pressed to find a better fit for Dick Jauron's personality in a player this young. Edwards is headstrong and determined.
His only downfalls occur on the field. He's shown a tendency to let plays effect him on the field, letting his on-field confidence waver. Gets a little gun-shy and is very streaky. Has an NFL arm, but it isn't strong enough to overcome difficult weather conditions and allow him to take over games. Naturally talented, but not overwhelmingly so. If he's to become a consistent, productive NFL starter, he needs to get better at reading defenses, playing confidently and working within the system.
Unusually talented player. Has outstanding arm strength and underrated athleticism to keep plays alive. Can take over games on talent alone. Entering his fourth season in the league, Cutler has started 37 games in his first three years, amassing a record of 17-20 in those starts. He has been very productive, throwing 54 touchdown passes in his 37 starts and averaging 244 yards per game. However, he's also thrown 37 career interceptions, an average of one every time out.
As incredibly talented and productive as Cutler has been (he has one Pro Bowl under his belt already), his recent situation has brought his attitude into serious question. He has handled this trade situation with McDaniels incredibly poorly. Many believe that Cutler is heeding terrible advice from Cook, who has been at the center of controversies surrounding Brett Favre and Steve McNair in the past. Cutler is a smart player, a hard worker and possesses top-notch intangibles, but questions remain regarding his handling of this situation and his motives behind the trade request. Broncos fans are already labeling the kid a headcase, though Cutler is still believed to be held in very high regard by both Tom Modrak and Dick Jauron.
The above is a chart of Edwards' quarterback rating versus that of Cutler for every start each player has made. Edwards' progress is represented by the red line; Cutler's, the green line. There isn't much significant that comes out of this analysis, but that, in itself, is significant. Cutler's sample size is larger, and he's had higher highs, but he's also had lower lows. Both quarterbacks have consistently been wildly inconsistent. Lots of peaks and valleys from both quarterbacks on that chart.
Here's where the opinion starts. I'm a self-proclaimed Trent Edwards fan (read: homer), but there's no way I can get away with saying I don't respect the heck out of Jay Cutler's game. In my view, he's a legitimate franchise signal caller that just needs some stability around him in Denver to prove it. I can merely hope that Edwards becomes that type of player, though the hope is certainly there. I'm not sure how much better Jay Cutler makes the Bills beyond the pure talent level. I am sure that he's not already the franchise signal caller that everyone seems to think he is. Cutler has not "arrived", so to speak. This kid still has work to do, not just on the field, but now in the PR department.
You are, of course, very free to formulate your own opinions. But if you're asking me, we've got our quarterback already. I love Jay Cutler's game. But I'm not sure this franchise is equipped to handle two blockbuster moves in one off-season, and I'm less sure that Cutler would be the quick fix that everyone would expect him to be in the unlikely event a trade were to occur. Either way, we'd have to do some waiting through ups and downs with both guys. I'm the type of guy who'd rather stay the course than rock the boat. I'm taking Edwards in this (non-existent?) debate. But that doesn't mean I'd cry if he was swapped for Cutler.
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The trade won't happen
But i do like Cutler, and before Trent, I definitely would have wanted him even though had a “potentially” similar QB in Losman, although he hit the wall pretty hard after an pretty good season in 06….oh well, as long as he is not a Jet and Peppers isn’t a Pat, I’ll be happy.
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by killascript on Mar 17, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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I’m the type of guy who’d rather stay the course than rock the boat.
If that isn’t Dick Jauron in a nutshell. I just can’t seen how on this planet Dick Jauron would swap Jay Cutler for Trent Edwards….it would go against everything he stands for. He’s loyal to a fault, a man who lives out “Woodenisms” in everything he does. A man whose dream player is a guy who has a relentless work ethic, great character, and a team first guy. Those are all Trent Edwards qualities.
I’ll admit Jay Cutler’s attitude sucks. He’s easily irritated, got a quick switch, and deals with his struggles by avoiding them. I have personal information that the guy parties at age 25 like he did at 19 and refuses to listen to anyone. He has better pure talent than Trent. And I"m sure Cutler will grow up in due time and take control of his personal life so he can focus on taking control of his NFL life.
It’s the classic argument…the blue-collar hard working guy with a Stanford education with ability or the bravado, ultra-talented gun-slinger from Vanderbilt?
Hey either way at least we’re not talking about JP
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by MARVelous on Mar 17, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What all of this proves clearly is that there are worse coaches in the NFL than Dick Jauron. Josh McDaniels, for example. I completely agree with Brian — we are better off sticking with Trent. Give him some good targets and a stronger o-line and he will become a first-rate QB on a pretty consistent basis. Swap him for Cutler and there is no telling what headaches we’ll have down the road.
by Macktruck on Mar 17, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't Cutler sort of remind you of Drew Bledsoe?
by syrbillsfan on Mar 17, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no Cutler is mobile
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by poz on Mar 17, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bledsoe was a little mobile when he was young,
by syrbillsfan on Mar 17, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe I'm just scarred from watching the statue in the Bills jersey late in his career
Do you remember screaming at your television, watching a defensive end coming in for the ball strip seconds before it happened and Bledsoe being completely unaware it was happening and moving ever so slow? You could see in his eyes he hadn’t yet decided where to throw it.
That being said, I owned a Bledsoe jersey after that awesome double 1,000 yard season with Peerless and Moulds
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by poz on Mar 17, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to remember him being a statue in his first game
which, I believe – and saw firsthand, was in Orchard Park.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 17, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peerless and Moulds.
that was an awesome year for those two.
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by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
those days we had a serious offense
Travis Henry racking up double digit TDs and 1400 yards, Peerless looking like the next big thing, Moulds doing what he does best.
Actually, we were sort of like the Broncos offense and had basically the same record they did. So maybe he is like Cutler….
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by poz on Mar 17, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not in the least bit
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by Kurupt on Mar 17, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trent = less talented, not a headcase.
Cutler = more talented, wackjob.
I guess I would have to see what kind of deal it would take to acquire him before I make a snap judgment.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 17, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What sireric said +:
Trent = Less experience but knows the players and the system
Cutler = One more year of experience but doesn’t know the system
Cutler also played in a better offense the last two years…and definitely for a better coach. I would expect that, early on, Cutler would have a rough go here in Buffalo. If the Bills want to win this year, then Trent is better option. Cutler may be more helpful to the team next year.
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by NJBill on Mar 17, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry but,
every time I see Cutler’s photo, I think of the kid from Two and a Half Men.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 17, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 17, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think of Ringo Starr’s illegitimate son
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by Kurupt on Mar 17, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler and TO; are you kidding me? And we thought we had locker room issues before. And there’s certainly no gaurantee that Cutler will thrive in Buffalo’s system; how much did he benefit from being coached by Shanahan, (and now he has to deal with Cam Cameron Josh McDaniels).
While the Bills FO may listen to trade offers, I fully expect Edwards to start in 2009. Hopefully he breaks out this year and Bills finally post a winning record under DJ and Edwards becomes the franchise QB for this organization. And If he fails, we’ll need to rethink the QB position; Ralph will most likely show Jauron the door; and maybe both Shanahan and Culter will be available in 2010.
by Zumone on Mar 17, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I fear that this locker room could use a little drama…from talented players who want to win.
You are absolutely correct that Edwards will have to break out this year or OBD will have to rethink the position. And Edwards performing well doesn’t mean that they will have to have a winning record. The Bills are still short a tight end, and some bodies on the line. The tough schedule they are likely to play will be a huge factor. Better production from him and the offense and some wins against quality teams would be a step in the right direction.
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by NJBill on Mar 17, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, too, don't like rocking the boat.
I really don’t see why the Bills would get in on this. They liked Cutler coming out but I just can’t see Cutler coming here. I don’t think he could be markedly better than Edwards in a Bills uniform this year.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 17, 2009 9:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
its
not for sure cutler it could be scheffler or it could be just pure coincidence that Bus Cook was in Buffalo…although I highly doubt it as Buffalo is not exactly a vacation spot in March…..
Schefller makes the most sense cuz it’s a need and they could fill it with a 4-5 pick and then free up them to use their picks 1-3 or 1-4 on the OL and DL
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by MARVelous on Mar 17, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you.
Just responding to the post.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 17, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aditionally
wouldn’t bringing in Cutler mean the entire playbook would need to be altered to better-utilize his strengths? I like what Edwards brings this team, and what he doesn’t (divisiveness). If the Bills were to do this to Edwards, what kind of message would it send to the other players and potential FAs – no one is safe, even when well-liked and well-respected?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 17, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Golden Rule.
“Do unto others…”
(Meanwhile Dr. Evil is laughing about all this, signing karaoke with Bon Jovi)
by Zumone on Mar 17, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Golden Rule.
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by J2 on Mar 17, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jafar
will you hurry up, I’m dying in here!
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by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Mar 17, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"His only downfalls occur on the field."
Really, that’s it? No need to be so harsh, Brian :)
John Elway and Eli Manning were two other talented quarterbacks who kicked and cried their way out of situations that generated a lot of PR controversey. Both of them have Super Bowl rings, too.
I’ll be the first to agree that Cutler is not yet a finished product. Still needs some seasoning. Already looks pretty darn good. Very well could be special. It may only be a matter of time.
I don’t think Bus Cook can discuss a trade regarding Cutler without permission from the Broncos.
Really, how often does a opportunity like this come up?
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by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bus Cook
Can do all the negotiating he wants, but the Broncos would have to say yes or no to any offers that come out of it. He is not restricted in any way from negotiating for his client. If the Broncos say no, then his efforts were a waste of time. That doesn’t preclude him from talking to other teams, though.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 17, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe (might be wrong) but the Broncos have to give his agent permission to discuss Cutler with other teams or the Bills will be looking for tampering charges since Cutler is still under contract.
by XtrmeCarnage82 on Mar 17, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to the chart (nice work there)
Cutler’s high’s are both higher and more frequent than Trents and his low’s are not as low and much less frequent than Trent’s. If that was the only basis for a decision I think it becomes a no brainer…Cutler for what ever reason,couching or talent around him or his own talent has been the better Qb by far.
With that said, including Peter’s in the deal makes it a deal breaker. Even if they go Trent and Peters for Cutler and Schaifer. The upgrade at Qb is not significant enough to give up a probowl left takle for. I’d rather see them trade Peters to Phili for there 2 first rounders, if they were set on moving him.
by jimkutica on Mar 17, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good reading of the chart.
However you have to consider the difference between playing in the AFC East versus playing in the AFC West. How much do you want to bet that the “peaks” are against the Raiders or Chefs?
by Zumone on Mar 17, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trent's had some pretty bad teams to play against too! Miami and the Jets!
by jimkutica on Mar 17, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt. But weren’t the Bills 4-0 against the AFC West, and 0-6 against the AFC East? A 7-9 record almost wins the West.
by Zumone on Mar 17, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I posted last night on another thread,
Jauron is in “Win Now” mode. Which gives the Bills a better chance to win this season?
Edwards who is the leader of the team, loved by the coaches, knows the players and the system. Or, Cutler who is physically more gifted but somewhat of a gunslinger (someone pickup Jauron, he just fainted at the idea), cry baby prima dona who his last team was not very fond of him?
Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?
by Joe P. on Mar 17, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't get it...
I don’t get the crybaby stuff…. I would be pretty upset too if I were a 25 year old stud QB and a new brash coach came in and tried to bring in his own guy right under my nose.
John I.
by jri111 on Mar 17, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
I don’t see Cutler on TV complaining. I totally understand him being upset, though if he is not even willing to talk with the guy, then it’s a bit questionable.
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by Kurupt on Mar 17, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just one incident
his attitude has not been the best even before this happened. There is a reason why a new coach would want to shop a Pro Bowl QB other than the old “I want my guy” stick.
Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?
by Joe P. on Mar 17, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one other point
If the Bills do get Cutler than the Jets wouldn’t. That alone adds some intrigue to the idea.
by jimkutica on Mar 17, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cutler VS Edwards
Trents got an inch on him – but Cutler definately has the stronger arm.
I just don’t see the huge advantage to getting Cutler at this point becaue he still has a lot to prove. He’s not light years ahead of Edwards by any means.
I’m pretty sure that DJ and Co. are happy with their QB position right now – don’t see this happening at all.
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by J2 on Mar 17, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The jury is still out!
As much as I enjoy watching Jay “Gunsligher” Cuttler, I am not convinced that he is a superior QB to Trent Edwards. Let’s not forget that the Bronco’s finished 8-8 and they play in the AFC West. They managed to lose against Oakland & KC last year. Now many might use the argument that they did not have much of a running game last year but neither did we, especially early on in the season. Last year they were 7-9 ? in the AFC West that means that 4 wins should almost be guaranteed !
Trent is very much the type of QB that Montana was, a cerebral – efficient signal caller who had leadership coming out his wazou! Montana did not have the biggest arm and it did not stop him from winning 4 superbowls or being named the Superbowl MVP 3 times or the NFL MVP twice.
Cuttler definitely has a bigger arm but his mental abilities might not be anywhere near where Trent Edwards is. Cuttler no doubt has the physical skill set to be a franchise QB but he is very far from having proven anything on the mental & leadership side. From what I’ve read of him, his cockyness is so bad that he doesn’t have many fans in his locker room. Sure Cutler has more TDs than Edwards but he also has more weapons: Marshall 6’4" 229lbs, Eddie Royal 5’9" 189lbs, Tony Scheffler 6’5" 250lbs – two great WRs & a great TE
Trent has not had decent weapons to throw to so it is not a fair comparison. I think that Trent Edwards in Denver with their schedule & their weapons would have probably done as good or better than Cuttler.
I believe that Trent Edwards will be an incredible QB in the league and we would be foolish to think otherwise. The poor guy has had nothing to work with. Now with Owens & Evans + a pass-catching TE, let’s wait and see! Imagine if we jump ship too soon and he turns out like Montana?
No doubt, we need to stick with Trent for 2009!
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by keysh67 on Mar 17, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I agree we will keep Edwards,
but Montana didn’t play in the weather we have in Buffalo. I am not saying Edwards can’t be successful, just that a strong arm is an advantage in Buffalo because of said weather. If we had a new HC, I would bet this trade would happen. But, considering our current situation, no way this trade happens.
Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?
by Joe P. on Mar 17, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll just say this – never say never, guys.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 17, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why????
Last time I said never, we signed T.O. :-)
Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?
by Joe P. on Mar 17, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think TO is like the fake field goal for a TD pass by Brian Moorman. It happens early in the season, only once, and is never used again.
by Zumone on Mar 17, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the best things that your quarterback can be is standing.
Edwards’ annual availability has been questionable. Every year.
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by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Protection is a QBs best friend.......and RBs not named Henry!
Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?
by Joe P. on Mar 17, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Henry could have used a little protection, too!
by Zumone on Mar 17, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahaha
Like 11 children with 10 different women in 10 different states?
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by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And lets not forget the insulin issue!
Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
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by keysh67 on Mar 17, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler's insulin versus Trent's injuries.
Hmmm…
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If our defense was as bad as theirs
Trent could have put up 4000 yds too. We didn’t have the weapons last year, so his TDs would have been less, but he would have looked like a “better” qb. Our team is built to manage games. Our defense kept us close, and so did our offense for the most part last year. We added Owens a certifiable red zone threat, and may add a Pettigrew type TE to help the running game immediately, and our passing game in the long run. I think what happens this year is we move from 6.5 yards per attempt to just above 7. That puts us right where we need to be to score more points per game and win more games. That is even if our defense doesn’t get any better. Our defense WILL be better, so our offensive improvement will be the icing on the cake. I know we definitely aren’t SB contenders yet, but I’m sure we’ll get one, maybe two rounds deep in the playoffs. With Edwards, not Cutler.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 17, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said
Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Mar 18, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some informed thinking
I’ve read all of your thoughts and enjoyed them. Let me straighten out one major misconception. Do not confuse DJs personality traits, or characteristics that he may look for in players with his ability to identify and discern talent. I can virtually assure you 100% that all things considered, he would FAR prefer to have Cutler as his QB then Trent. And this is no slight on TE in the least.
Can’t say much more than that right now…..there may not be a fire at OBD, but definitely some smoke.
Geronimo
by Geronimo on Mar 17, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
WOW.
Thanks, G! I’m very glad to hear that!
Where there’s smoke, there’s fire? Don’t get my hopes up!
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by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we all in ????
If we do a Trent and Peters for Cutler and Schaifer trade, then fine….. everone wins. If try to do it and if falls through, we end up in the same position as the Denver is now! How is Edwards going to react if these rumors are true?
Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?
by Joe P. on Mar 17, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
I was thinking about that last night. They better have a backup plan, by that I don’t mean Ryan Fitzpatrick!
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by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we do a Trent and Peters for Cutler and Schaifer trade
We need Peters – he shouldn’t be trade bait. they’ll sign him
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by J2 on Mar 17, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see a straight Edwards for Cutler trade happening, do you?
Maybe we throw in Parrish?
Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?
by Joe P. on Mar 17, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you or anyone else
see McDaniels wanting Edwards? It seems like McDaniels wants “his own guy”.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see that.
He is generally judicious with the football. Smart kid. I can see McDaniels wanting him.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 17, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a straight Edwards for Cutler – why not? Has Cutler shown so much that warrants other compensation? I could see a 4th or 5th pick as well – but Cutler, IMO, isn’t light years better – at this point at least.
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by J2 on Mar 17, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would we trade them Peters and why would they want Peters?
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by Kurupt on Mar 17, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you gone nutts?
Peter by himself is worth a top 5 pick – period. Either we get equal compensation or we shouldn’t be trading him, we should extend him.
As for Edwards, it is way too soon to declare a verdict. How can we even consider it? He has shown composure & leadership way beyond his years. He played behind a non-existant Center in a division chock full of nasty NTs without many weapons so obviously he got sacked a bit too often but he showed flashes of things to come in a few games, which alone is reason to give him another year to prove himself.
Most great QBs take 2-3 years to develop, we certainly cannot afford to let a great one get away because we were impatient!
Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
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by keysh67 on Mar 18, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa..
Methinks that this is getting out of hand. The source states that Tony Scheffler is probably the reason that Cook is in town, not Cutler. This makes perfect sense, given the tight end situation in Buffalo and a regime change in Denver. MARVelous pointed this out earlier. Good to see the number of rational minds supporting Trent though.
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by NJBill on Mar 17, 2009 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
like someone said before, it doesn’t make sense that an agent would visit buffalo for a TE not named Gonzalez , Gates, Witten
by jwest529 on Mar 17, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When has an agent, any agent, ever made sense? I could see Cook coming to B’ville on the heels of the TO signing. I’m certain that they see sharks in the water and their clients are the bait.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 17, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cook is doing whats in the best interest of his client. Cutler wants a trade, and Bus is looking into potential suitors. Can’t fault him for that.
by Zumone on Mar 17, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the bottom line
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by MARVelous on Mar 17, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NO NO NO NO
You don’t just LOOK into replacing your staring QB. This is the most important player on the team. If you screw this thing up, and I don’t just mean the player but the relationship the coaches have with the player, you set your team back for years.
Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?
by Joe P. on Mar 17, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See: Broncos attempt at trading for Matt Cassel.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 17, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
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by MARVelous on Mar 17, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marv....not sure we are on the same page?
I interpreted Brian’s comments as supporting my statement that you have to be careful not to mess up the relationship between the QB and coach by just looking at replacing your starting QB.
Are you you in agreement with that?
Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?
by Joe P. on Mar 17, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I here what your saying on that front….but you can’t not look into this if your Jauron….but Jauron is always a man when he handles player concerns and I don’t see him exiling Trent
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by MARVelous on Mar 17, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, this all goes back to Dr. Evil.
by Zumone on Mar 17, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally different
Good grief—the two siutations are totally different. You are Jay Cutler—-off to a pretty good career start. Safe, secure in your job. Widely acknowledged as having the potential to be a perennial Pro-Bowler. Then in comes this 35 year old Belichek wanna-be. Who, by the way is not onlty the HC but also the OC and QB coach! He’s there like a few months and all of a sudden he’s making goo-goo eyes at the QB he “created” back in NE. Cutler’s gotta be thinking, “Hey, what am I chopped liver?”
Contrast—Trent. Nice guy, great attitude, Potential. Hard worker. NEVER EVER played a complete 16 game season in the NFL. Do you think he REALLY is going to be upset if he learns the Bills are playing footsie with Cutler? I do not think so in the least. . Add one more thing—-if this is going on (and I am NOT 100% sure that it is) you can also wager everything you have that DJ and TE have already spoken. He’s no McDaniel.
Geronimo
by Geronimo on Mar 17, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope your right.....and I hope your not
I hope your not because if Trent is OK with losing his job, then we really do need to get Cutler….so I hope your right :-)
Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?
by Joe P. on Mar 17, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say that...
did I? Only that Trent knows that it’s a business and likeyl will have been communicated to by the Bills.
Geronimo
by Geronimo on Mar 17, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was not trying to put words in your mouth, sorry.
I like Trent and think he is (was) going to have a great year. I just don’t want to see this blow up and have a QB controversy and T.O. is the same area code.
Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?
by Joe P. on Mar 17, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Dick Jauron and Josh McDaniels are not comparable…..Dick will handle this situation with class no matter what happens and always protect his players….but I wouldn’t be surprised if Ralph is all for this too being Modrak raved about Cutler back in 2006 and the Bills opted instead for Whitner…..I think Ralph would feel if the FO pulled this off that it would be a little redemption
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by MARVelous on Mar 17, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats where i worry
what if old man wilson pulls the trigger on this? the old man might just be crazy enough.
LET'S GO BUFFALO!!!!!!
by BenAllen on Mar 17, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on
he may be up in years but the man has all his wits about him….and he’s trying to put Buffalo back on the map
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by MARVelous on Mar 17, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he did at one point say the team didn’t have enough talent. Not 2 breaths later (well, games perhaps) he said they have the talent and were only a few players away from competing. He’s lucid for 91.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 17, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Trent would certainly handle the situation better than Cutler has. And I also agree that Jauron is by lightyears a better coach than McDaniels.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 17, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. The Bills cannot recover from the misstep that this would become. The fanbase will be LIVID and the support would go out the window. TO would not be happy. This is a mistake burning in the oven.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 17, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t get too far ahead of yourself there. You’re sprinting past hurdles that haven’t been cleared yet.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 17, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think my comment is any more ahead of where this article is taking the discussion.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 17, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fanbase will be LIVID and the support would go out the window. TO would not be happy. This is a mistake burning in the oven.
Fans will be livid? This is a mistake? It’s not anything yet. Just speculation.
This is exactly why I don’t like writing these types of articles in the first place. We all get a little to excited by the possibilities and start jumping to conclusions.
I’m just trying to keep this in perspective. I didn’t mean to single you out, Afghan, because I’m guilty of the same thing, as are most fans who have any sort of respect for Cutler.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 17, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m guilty of not proofreading my comment. My verb tense was all over the map – apologies.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 17, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well, I just said “a little to excited”, and that’s one of my biggest pet peeves. No need to apologize. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 17, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
learn to spell Galliford
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by Kurupt on Mar 17, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a business
Listen I love Trent, and everyone says give him time, but we gave JP 4 years, Dick Jauron is on year 4, and he can’t afford to wait for Trent…..if he can upgrade with Cutler he has to do it
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by MARVelous on Mar 17, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I agree
but you can’t afford to miss on this. The questions is already to be asked at the next press conference. Coach Jauron, did you try to trade for Cutler? The answer could very well determine if we need to draft a QB in April.
Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?
by Joe P. on Mar 17, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
it’s a valid point, but again DJ is not going to exile Trent and not communicate with him. He’s going to be open and honest up front and handle the situation fairly….you may not like it, but hey it’s not like Trent has been CROWNED as denny green would say
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by MARVelous on Mar 17, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DJ may be exasperating at times, but this is one very positive feature to his personality…he may not have a clue what he’s doing, but he’ll be honest about it. Having a clue vs. honesty, not sure if there’s a net gain or loss there.
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by NJBill on Mar 17, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You gotta remember
Dick Jauron is a defensive minded coach, and an ex defensive back. If anything he actually probably prefers winning on defense.
by Dyl on Mar 17, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes no sense. Coaches aren’t in this business to win in their preferred style. They’re in to win. Period.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 17, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Whatever it takes."
Chuck Noll, Brian Billick, Tony Dungy, Bill Belichick, the list goes on and on…
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if "what it takes" is Trent dilfer
by syrbillsfan on Mar 17, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billick has an offensive background, but he won with defense because his best players were on defense.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jauron was a running back in college. He switched to safety and cb in the nfl, and was also a pro bowl punt returner. He might be a “defensive-minded” coach, but he certainly knows all the facets of the game first-hand.
by k8 on Mar 17, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This discussion
is strangely reminding me of the differences between Frank Reich and Jim Kelly (early in his career).
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by Blitz on Mar 17, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Edwards is tradable
How about a 3 way trade between Denver, Buffalo, and Detroit? We have 3 1st round draft picks (#1, #11, and #12), 2 QB’s (Cutler and Edwards), and 1 TE (Scheffler). Not sure how the math works out…
by Zumone on Mar 17, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really like Edwards and maybe that is blinding me here.
I don’t see hwo Cutler is such a huge upgrade. He’s an upgrade, sure.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 17, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really like Edwards too
and I really don’t want this situation to materialize into anything more. It would feel akin to saying to Edwards, “well you’ll do until we find a better option.”
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 17, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t that what Trent kind of is? That’s how I tend to view him…
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by Kurupt on Mar 17, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that how every player is viewed?
Honestly. Shouldn’t that be how we view them?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 17, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Florio from PFT:
First T.O., now J.C.?
The rumor of agent Bus Cook being in Buffalo on Monday has prompted Bills fans to collectively hyperventilate regarding the possibility of a trade of Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler for Bills quarterback Trent Edwards. It all started during Brad Riter’s WECK radio show on Monday, with former Bills offensive lineman Ruben Brown linking Cook’s presence in Buffalo to a possible passer-for-passer trade. The audio can be heard at Brad’s site, in segment two of the Ruben Brown spot. If this one isn’t accurate, the Bills need to say so quickly, before it takes on a life of its own.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 17, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed!
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by poz on Mar 17, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, please don't let this drag on.
Meanwhile, I am going to check the bottom of my shoes…..we may have just stepped in ………….
Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?
by Joe P. on Mar 17, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
J, A, Y, Jay, Jay Jay
It is indeed a scary thought. But is it worth the pain. At this point the Jets have nothing to lose as they’re going in the wrong direction. Next year he could be a beast on that team.
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by NJBill on Mar 17, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Edwards
So i’m all for keeping him. Plus, i think Edwards likes being in Buffalo, you have to love that. I had to look up who Peppers agent is, its Carl Carey, but was hoping it was Cook. Oh well, nice try me.
by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Mar 17, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
n000000000000000000000 to Cutler......
great talent……..fiery competitor……..all that jazz…..
But giving up on TRENT now would be foolish and the gods of Karma would reign down terror on all involved……..
(Hides voodoo doll………if only temporarily)
A person who performs good Karma (deeds) is always held in high esteem
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
look
I love Edwards and there is more to Cutler’s immaturity than the McDaniels situation that Brian pointed out. Remember what a moron hes been in the way hes handled his “rivalry” with Phillip Rivers? Remember what a fool he was comparing himself to John Elway?
Now remember Trent Edwards calmly and gradually asserting control of our locker room and inviting players to workout with him and pushing for Terrell Owens in the off-season behind the scenes.
I love Cutler too, I love watching him play and have always viewed him as a young Brett Favre, hes as much fun to watch as Brett was when he was younger. I was on the fence because I like to be loyal to guys who deserve it like Trent does. But here is what has swayed me back in favor of keeping Edwards.
I think the Broncos get the better deal in Edwards and Peters for Cutler and Scheffler. There is no guarantee that Cutler is better than Edwards so that is a push with a slight edge on Cutlers side. Peters is a Pro Bowl LT who is young and had one bad year because he held out. He is worth significantly more than an injury prone tight end who has never played a full season. It’ a bad deal for us.
Cutler for Edwards straight up for Cutler for Edwards and a 4th pick is all I would be willing to entertain and even then im doing so with caution
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by poz on Mar 17, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trent sure is prettier. Does that count?
by syrbillsfan on Mar 17, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cutler looks like he has the physique of one Mr. AVP.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 17, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
alex van pelt baby
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 17, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“We want the Pill, we want the Pill…”
Get the Bills back to the big game!
by Blitz on Mar 17, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
I was thinking the same thing!!!
by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Mar 17, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wanted to mention for clarity
A quarterbacks arm strength really has nothing to do with how strong his arm is. It has everything to do with body mechanics and how you leverage all of your muscles into throwing the ball. That’s why most QB’s arms don’t look stacked in any way.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 17, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course mechanics are a part of the game, but arm strength is arm strength. Jake Delhomme could wind up like a pitcher before each of his passes and he still wouldn’t have the velocity on the ball that Brett Favre did throwing off of his back foot.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 17, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could mirror Nolan Ryan’s mechanics perfectly, and I probably couldn’t throw as fast as he did at 51.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 17, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does immitating the guys who fix Nolan Ryan's car have to to with throwing a baseball :-)
Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?
by Joe P. on Mar 17, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those guys are good!!
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 17, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to Rotoworld, via John Clayton:
ESPN’s John Clayton believes the cost for Jay Cutler would be a first-round, second-round, and third-round pick.
Clayton is basing this on the price to acquire rocket-armed 26-year-old Jeff George back in 1993, the last time a quarterback of Cutler’s caliber hit the market in his prime. Broncos coach Josh McDaniels has stated that he’s not interested in a draft-pick return, leaving him without a quarterback. He might not have a choice.
If Buffalo is going to give up that kind of compensation, I say no freakin’ way.
They are going to have to deal Peters to Philly just to have enough draft picks to be able to trade for Cutler.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 17, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there is no way McDaniels gets that kind of comp
I think Clayton is being a little ridiculous here.
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by poz on Mar 17, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think we have to worry about any of this anyways
I know you. You know you. And I know you know that I know you.
by J2 on Mar 17, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous?
He might be having flashbacks of woodstock.
by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Mar 17, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA! nice.
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by poz on Mar 17, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I thought he would ask for.
But I figured 3 picks and or players
by syrbillsfan on Mar 17, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler more talented but Edwards
more mature. Until this recent immature hissy fit thrown by Cutler, I would traded him for Edwards in a minute…..but not now. I hope the Bronco fans boo the sh-t out of him this fall.
by ccthemovieman on Mar 17, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Elway got a lot of boo's from Colt fans. Manning got a lot of boo's from Charger fans.
I’d put up with the boo’s if it meant responding with Super Bowl wins like Elway and Manning did.
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by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Cutler, folks. See front page.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 17, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buzz Kill
Way to kill the rampant speculation, Brain!
by Zumone on Mar 17, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s Brian. And Sal’s doing the killing, not me. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 17, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think cutler is the better player, but i’m less confident in Cutler’s ability to handle TO than I am in Trent’s.
doesn't buy posluzny.
by JPH on Mar 17, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know this is a moot point but...
Here’s what Tim Graham said when he contemplated Cutler for each AFC East team:
Buffalo: The Bills made a very un-Bills-like move by signing Terrell Owens, one of the more controversial players in the league. There are doubts as to whether Trent Edwards has what it takes to be Buffalo’s long-term answer at QB. But for this franchise, the draft picks that would be needed as compensation to acquire Cutler are more needed to address the interior offensive line, defensive end and tight end.
He had the Jets being the most likely AFC East team.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 17, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that is a well thought out, lucid anser from Tim – and one that I think is also correct
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by J2 on Mar 17, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
please get cutler or peppers
i dont care if we trade edwards cutler is better and has more experience please get him it would be a huge upgrade if we dont want to change qbs which would be stupid then please get peppers trade our first and second rounder ge thim and that will complete us on defense and please resign peters he is still young and has proven to be one of the best considering he missed all of traing camp and preseasonand still made the pro bowl he has proven himself we have to make up for lynches mistake he is killing us bad
by bill_star on Mar 17, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No Thank You bill_star
I disagree with just about everything you said (except about resigning Peters):
-I don’t think Cutler is a huge upgrade, IMO, he is more malcontent than superstar.
-Peppers isn’t worth even our 2nd rd draft pick, maybe a 3rd, but no way in hell is he worth a 1&2.
-How has Lynch “killed us”? He may get suspended a game or two to start his year but we have a very capable NFL starting caliber RB in Axon Jaxon and last year Lynch WAS our offense.
-I do think this Peters thing is taking too long, but whatever OBD, don’t give in. Sign him to a fair (to both sides) new deal or let him sit out the training camps, play out his contract and franchise his ass for the two years after that. By that time, he will be 31 and he can go elsewhere.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 17, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep saying this but...
I do think this Peters thing is taking too long
How many players already under contract have signed this offseason? The Bills front office should be focused on the draft and not being nickled and dimed by Peters and his agent. There will be plenty of time for that after the draft when our focus shifts from hundreds of players to dozens.
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