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Rumblings Scouting Report: Florida State DE Everette Brown


Everette Brown is an imposing force off the edge. (Warchant.com)

As the 2009 NFL Draft approaches, the editorial staff at Buffalo Rumblings will begin profiling draft prospects that may end up being potential targets of the Buffalo Bills.  Kurupt switches from the offensive side of the ball to the defense by profiling Florida State's Everette Brown.

After another dreadful year of getting no pressure on opposing quarterbacks, defensive end looks to be high on the Bills' list of draft priorities.  Potentially the best pass rusher available this year, according to various draft pundits, Everette Brown brings a quick first step and a variety of pass rush moves to the defensive end position.  With the position, and more specifically the pass rush, unaddressed in free agency, look for the Bills to address it early on.  Everette Brown looks to be a Top 10 pick, but may slide due to some size concerns.  Right now, I've got him as my "must have" pick, if available.

Everette Brown - Defensive End, Florida State
6'2", 256 lbs, 40 time: 4.73 seconds
Junior

I'd like to thank FSUncensored, from SBN's fantastic FSU blog, Tomahawk Nation, for providing some excellent information on Brown.  His comments are highlighted in the "mauvelous" colored boxes.  For the complete, in-depth report on Brown, courtesy of FSUncensored, please click here.

Strengths: Brown possesses what many consider to be the quickest first step in the draft.  His ability to time the snap count, along with his explosion, makes him an absolute terror for opposing tackles and quarterbacks.  In addition, he closes quickly on the ball carrier or quarterback, which has led to forced turnovers.  Besides his quickness off the edge, Brown has shown tremendous balance as he routinely goes low to beat opponents.  Maybe most impressive, at least to me, is his wide range of pass rush moves, including his shoulder dip, a good spin and reverse spin, and an efficient swim move.  These pass rush moves should enable Brown to contribute immediately at the NFL level.  He also shows a relentless work ethic and has proven durable, having never missed a game in his career.

From FSUncensored:

  • Explosion: Brown has incredible burst off the edge
  • Balance: nobody in the college game stays lower throughout their stance on the way to the QB.  He has an uncanny knack for ducking under long-armed tackles.  (Think Dwight Freeney)
  • Pure Speed (watch the Maryland clips in the highlight video)
  • Versatility.  Brown can play standing up but is also comfortable putting his hand on the ground
  • Work Ethic.  The FSU coaches constantly praise this guy for his constant motor and work ethic.  
  • Durability.  Brown has never missed a game due to injury.
  • Dedication.  Playing on the health idea, Brown takes excellent care of his body.  
  • Not a pure speed guy.  Brown has a great variety of moves and is surprisingly advanced for an early-entry pass rusher.
  • Brown is also an excellent character guy.  He is NOT your typical FSU thug that have occasionally run through our program.  At a position where good behavior isn't all that common, Brown is pure class.  We get a lot of rumors sent to us (and photos) about FSU players acting up, but I have never once heard Brown's name mentioned in anything remotely seedy.  Brown is a community service nut!

Weaknesses: His biggest weakness is likely his size, measuring out at just under 6'2" and 256 pounds at the Combine.  Many believe his best position in the NFL will be as a 3-4 rush LB, where he can use his speed and explosion, while not being hampered by his size.  He has shown glimpses of being overpowered by bigger blockers, and still needs to add some more upper body strength to help fend off blocks.  He is also a bit raw and inexperienced, having only started 26 games for FSU.

NFL Comparison: Dwight Freeney, Indianapolis; DeMarcus Ware, Dallas

I would compare him to Dwight Freeney because his center of gravity during the rush around the end is so low.  Few men on earth can move that fast, while being that low, and stay balanced.

The best NFL comparison I have for Brown is DeMarcus Ware, as I noted above.  Brown is not the second coming of mega-bust Vernon Gholston, as Brown has great agility and balance.  He's not some weight-room wonder without the production - as Gholston was.  Here's hoping that teams see the DeMarcus Ware in Brown. 

A few questions with FSUncensored:

1. It appears you believe he's destined for a 3-4 OLB role, but how about as a 4-3 DE?  The Bills need a major pass rush threat in the worst way from the DE position, so can Brown be a legit, full-time NFL DE? 

I don't know how much more Everette can grow.  He looks big on film, and he has probably zero body fat, but he probably can't add much more muscle to his frame.  He wears huge shoulder pads.  Brown can play exclusively defensive end in the NFL, but it will need to be in a scheme that has a very specific role for the weak side defensive end.

He did play exclusively defensive end at FSU.  We did use him in some zone blitz packages.

2. What are his major areas for improvement?  What are the mistakes that he would occasionally make?

Brown occasionally tried to do too much.  Our defense was pretty disappointing this year and sometimes Brown would try to help his teammates too much. 

Brown faced double and triple teams almost exclusively.  Colorado, Maryland and VA Tech tried to single block him and he had 8 sacks in 75-ish pass plays.

Does Brown "Fit the Bill"?
Can he get after the quarterback?  Yes.  That's all that really needs to be said.  Brown would be a great addition to our defensive line, providing an immediate impact for our woeful pass rush.  As much as I want him in Buffalo, it appears unlikely that he'll be available at #11.  We can all dream though.

I'd like to leave you with a few quotes courtesy of FSUncensored's Exit Interview on Brown:

We've debated this for a while now and there isn't a concrete answer, but I believe Brown is the best defensive end FSU has ever had.  Better than Peter Boulware, Wilson, and Wadsworth.  I believe this because Brown had to face much better competition, both in talent level and in scheme.  Early 90's college passing attacks simply did not know how to handle the speed rush.  Elite college rushers now must have a variety of skills.  Brown has those skills.

Additionally, Brown inspired "Do Not Want Dog" (DNWD), the official mascot of the fear Brown inspires in opponents.

Check out the link for a description of the DNWD!

Brown made the right move to leave for the NFL.  He's the best player the Seminoles have had in the latter part of this decade.  A true freak athlete with some room to grow, Everette hasn't yet hit his ceiling. 

An NFL team can't go wrong drafting Brown.  With all the temptations offered in Tallahassee, he never got in trouble.  Brown is extremely personable and will be a great asset, player, and representative for the lucky franchise that selects him.

Once again, I'd like to thank FSUncensored for his in-depth look at Everette Brown and helping answer some of our questions.  Be sure to head over to Tomahawk Nation to check out one of the best college blogs on SBN!

Other scouting reports:

Everette Brown highlight video #1
Everette Brown highlight video #2
Everette Brown Combine Interview
Scott Wright
: #2 Defensive End
Mocking the Draft
: #2 Defensive End
Mike Mayock
: #3 Defensive End
NFLDraftScout.com
: #2 Defensive End
FFToolbox.com
SI.com's Bucky Brooks
: #1 Defensive Lineman
Scouts Inc
: Grade 93
Scouting Report from Big Cat Country

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Nice K

Well if this doesn’t just scream grab me at 11 if i’m there then I don’t know what will.

Passion, athletic abilitiy, variety of moves, non-white defensive end – sign me up!

We need this guy in the worst way – especially playing Brees, Pennington, Brady, that Manning guy i’ve heard about. If we don’t get pressure then kiss this year good bye – once again.

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by J2 on Mar 17, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

non-white defensive end

What does skin colour have to do with anything?

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 17, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

o.k. – how about more athletically gifted DE’s? would that be less of a taboo statement?

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by J2 on Mar 17, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I wasn’t real high on Brown- Bobby’s boys don’t normally get my attention- but consider me a convert. Assuming nothing screwy happens (Crabtree falling leading to us trading back) I’d be glad to get him at 11. At any rate, I feel better about him than Pettigrew at that draft position.

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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Mar 17, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Kurupt and FSUncensored

I think that Brown’s size is not as much a concern as people are leading us to believe. Yeah, he’s not ideal, he should be 2" taller and 15lbs heavier, but honestly, he is 2" shorter than Schobel and anywhere from 10-20 lbs heavier. Nothing about his size says that he can’t be a productive NFL DE

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 17, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

People dramatize size a bit much. If there’s a problem the size of any prospect it’s Aaron Maybin…. but as you mentioned Aaron Schobel only plays at 242-247 lbs. Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis are shrimps for NFL DE and they make their D tick with their phenomenal pass rush.

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by ForeignArrow on Mar 17, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dwight Freeney is 6'1"

Thats why he fell to the Colts, and many teams are regretting not taking him.

Lets make teams regret not taking Everette

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 17, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

K

If you don’t think he’ll be available then why are you teasing us? : )

by jj24 on Mar 17, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My apologies

I’m hoping for the best

~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 17, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All three DEs just scream "draft me"

THat beign said, I like what I have heard about Brown.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 17, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brown is the only one of the three highly-touted “DE’s” (really 3-4 OLB’s) that make sense to me, although I would still prefer to trade down and get Alex Mack or Pettigrew. Orakpo is nothing more than a straight-line rusher and has “another Vernon Gholston” written all over him. Maybin will probably be a bust at the pro level and is at best worth a third round pick in my book.

by Macktruck on Mar 17, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know K has been looking to insert Mauvelous somewhere.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 17, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Most definitely

Had to be done

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by Kurupt on Mar 17, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still say it is "Wild Watermelon"

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Mar 17, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Outstanding work Kurupt and FSUncensored!

Very nice report. I think Brown is much more similar to Freeney than Ware. Freeney and Ware have different physiques, play different styles, and have different overall games. Brown is like Freeney (good and bad); great versus the pass, not so great agains the run.

“If you don’t stop the run, you can’t have fun.” – Joey Porter

While Brown does have very good production, keep in mind that some of his production came against slow-footed guards or against air when he had a clear lane to the quarterback.

I think Brown would be a good pick at #11, but I wouldn’t call it a dream scenario.

One player is hardly the complete solution to Buffalo’s pass rush problems. Fans down in Houston are disappointed with the lack of pass rush, and they have Mario Williams for goodness sake. The guy constantly gets double-teamed. Hopefully Schoble bounces back in a big way or Ellis steps up.

By the way, I wouldn’t call Vernon Gholston a bust just yet.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

By the way, I wouldn’t call Vernon Gholston a bust just yet.

just and increadible disapointment

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 17, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t call him similar to Ware or Gholston a bust yet either, but those were FSUncensored’s words!!

~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 17, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think taking Brown and then another DE like Sidbury in the 3rd would be the best solution to our pass rush woes

Or take someone like Cody Brown of UConn as a hybrid DE/OLB rusher in the 4th. THEN we can wave bye bye to Kelsay and his contract and actually maybe get to the QB? I like Denney better than Kelsay anyhow.

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Mar 17, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two DEs in the first three rounds with holes on the O-Line, TE, and OLB?

I think that early of a second DE is a luxury we can’t afford. I’m thinking like last year… CB in the first and fourth or something.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 17, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can’t rush the pass at all right now. I don’t think adding two DE’s is a luxury we can’t afford. We need a ton of help at the position and must address it with more than one guy.

~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 17, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the first three rounds?

I get the fact that we must address it with multiple guys but we drafted someone in round 3 last year and now to add two more top three picks is a little overboard IMO. I have no problem with a first and a 4th or later. The second and third rounders need to fill other slots, though.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 17, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

Can we really count on a 3rd round OG or LB to start? I would hope so, but it’s no guarantee.

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Mar 17, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Count on them? No.

Hope that they can, yeah. I would say at worst a 3rd round OG should be a reliable back-up while potentially starting.

A 3rd round LB should be a capable backup in year one and could start year two (see Crowell who started in year 3 after seeing spot duty in year 2).

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 18, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best Player Available.

Entering the 2004 draft, the Cardinals had several holes on their roster and with bigger needs than wide receiver. They still drafted Larry Fitzgerald #3 overall, despite drafting Panda in the first round and Anquan Boldin in the second round the previous year. I don’t think the Cardinals regret picking Fitzgerald, despite being considered a luxury they couldn’t afford.

Entering the 2006 draft, the Giants had several holes on their roster and with bigger needs than defensive end. They still drafted Mathias Kiwanuka in the first round, despite the fact that they already had Michael Strahan, Osi Umeniyora, and Justin Tuck on their roster. I don’t think the Giants regret picking Kiwanuka, despite being considered a luxury they couldn’t afford.

One of the problems with need-based drafting is that your needs can and often do change, sometimes rather quickly. Keep an open mind and draft the best player available. Value and Talent.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very good point

I agree with this point of view. Didn’t OBD draft 3 CB last year? Look how well it solified our CB position. This forces the cream to rise to the top. I

If you want to completely eliminate a need at a position, it never hurts to add as many players as possible. The competition will create better players.

How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?

by Rudy916 on Mar 18, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CB was a position of need though.

I get what Fort Worth is saying here but we need to fill those spots and the draft is as good a place to do it as free agency this year. We got Trent the same offseason as we were considering giving Losman an extension because he was the Best Player Available. Obviously we won’t know if anyone falls during the draft but if you have drafted a DE in round one and round 3 comes up and you still have glaring holes and similarly graded players, shouldn’t you take the other glaring need?

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 18, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brown's proday

was equally impressive according to this

I’ve been high on Brown for awhile. great first step, several pash rushing moves and a willingness to work his butt off. great characteristics to have. He also moved around a bit on the FSU line which shows good adaptability.

by gatornation on Mar 17, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't know if he'd be available at #11

But it’s nice to dream! I’d take him even if he had to play OLB for us.

Get the Bills back to the big game!

by Blitz on Mar 17, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Theres a good chance he will be available

Orakpo and Maybin’s values are going up so theres a good chance brown would fall to us.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 17, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This kid is going to be something special...

I love his wide range of moves:
- The speed rush
- Shoulder dip (very Dwight Freeney like)
- Spin move
- Bull rush

He uses his hands very well for an under-sized DE. He’s about 12-14 lbs heavier than Schobel, and it’s clear from the highlight tapes that he’s got plenty of strength. When you see a 254lb DE put a 330lb OT on his butt simply by using his hands, you know he’s plenty strong. His body might be filled out, but this kid moves with the best of them. Very quick first step, and great anticipation. I would be surprised if he’s available at 11. You don’t find this kind of impact player (not just for sacks, but the amount of hurries and overall good plays for the defense he will create – INTs and fumbles) with his work-ethic and character too often.

That being said, I’d love to actually watch some tape where he gets double-teamed, or when he goes against one of the better OL in college.

by Renegade23 on Mar 17, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kind of reminds you of aanother DE that played for the Bills

Are we drafting Dino's now?
"6'6" monster receiver with a Terradactyl wingspan "....... Keysh67

by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Mar 17, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

KC

set up a private workout w/Brown and I don’t think it’s KC playing games. He can be a game changer and I wouldn’t expect him to last past the 6th pick of the draft.

by gatornation on Mar 17, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They might be serious

but I also doubt that they pass on Curry if he falls to #3

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 17, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know this:

At least one of the Bills’ top 11 players on their draft board will be available at #11. Hopefully someone will fall in their lap.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who's to say he can't gain 10 lbs of muscle?

NFL weight programs are borderline inhuman.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 17, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just say no to any "Crimi-noles"

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Normally, I’m right with you- but he seems to be the exception to the rule.

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Mar 17, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A polished turd........

is still a turd…….

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s bad practice to discriminate ANY player because of the school he went to.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 17, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Now this is just my opinion here.....

but you are who you hang out with……

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From the sounds of things, he didn’t hang out with the thug-types there. Seriously, I’m waaaay on the FSU hatewagon (now there’s a good name for a band)- but I’m liking this one. Now, if ol’ Bobby comes out to tell me that he’s a good kid..a good kid…has good parents, a good family..then I might worry.

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Mar 17, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FSU has a Rhodes scholar, so I guess Brown has been keeping good company

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by Kurupt on Mar 17, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The peanut in the pile of poop........

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless its Texas

There are two things that come from Texas…and neither of them are football players.

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 17, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL.......

indeed

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 17, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Williams was basically an overfed steer.

~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 17, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

LOLOLOL

Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Mar 17, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You find good football players wherever you find good football players.

"School history at the position shouldn’t be a factor in your report on a player," said Modrak. "It doesn’t mean it doesn’t come into your thinking. You might think about it when you ask yourself, ‘Is this player one of those guys?’ Or you might say, ‘This player is not one of those guys. He is better than those guys of the past at this particular school.’ Or he might be another in a line of players at a school that has had success."

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/looking-beyond-draft-history/b20d748d-1d48-47e6-a053-7d28dbd6aad8

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by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nice work K

Brown would be a good fit, but he will be gone. I think you are going to have to wait until at least round #2 for your DE.

Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?

by Joe P. on Mar 17, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW

Ok I WAS a Maybin supporter, but consider me converted. He’s faster and much more polised than Maybin, and we could play him on almost every down, he’s the perfect fit.

I mean speed, spin moves, power moves, swim moves, quick play recongnition. He’s exactly what we need.

I’m sold on him, now lets go draft him.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 17, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NFL Comparisons

I keep seeing Brown compared to D. Ware (which, IMO, is way off and misleading) and D. Freeney & R. Mathis , which are more accurate. But Brown reminds of another player: Justin Tuck. The way Brown dips his shoulders to get around the end really impresses me, that reminds me of guys like Freeney/Mathis/ & Dumervil. His collections of pass-rushing moves and counter-moves reminds me of Justin Tuck. He is closer in size to Freeney & Mathis 6’2" 250-260lb range, and he is a little smaller than Tuck who is 6-5 275, but IMO, he could our version of a QB-killing LDE. Schobels eventuall replacement, the more I think about Brown, the more I think he is the best fit for the Bills out of the Top 10 players in the draft, with the exception of Curry and maybe Raji.

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 17, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mock Drafts

I have looked at a lot of mock drafts, and almost all of them would have Brown available to the Bills at 11. Why do you guys think differently? I am a fan of Brown, but I think the only team ahead of the Bills that could draft him is Green Bay.

by labill on Mar 17, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Some have him available, others don't.

It’s not a foregone conclusion that he won’t be there like some others are making it out to be but I expect he’s gone by 11 unless there’s a run on OTs or QBs.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 17, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends if K is drafting for the teams in the top 10 or not.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 17, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

K for Kurupt or Kiper

Well, even if you gon’t respect Mel Kiper, you have to give some thought — he has Brown go as the 30th pick. I gather that our K is putting him around 5 – 9 spot.

by labill on Mar 18, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brown is to small

to be a three down DE. Fans will be upset with him because he won’t be able to play against the run very well. I’m not so sure it is wise for the Bills to use their #1 on a 3rd down DE.

by gjv on Mar 17, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why is he too small?

He is bigger than Schobel, Freeney and Matthis…he is the same size as Osi Umenyiora. Please people, stop with the size stuff, it sounds like ESPN in here… : )

San Fran likes Brown too…

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 17, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Immediate Impact

Besides, if you truly want an impact player as a rookie, a 3rd down pass-rushing specialist would be hard to beat (doesn’t have to be Brown, it could be Orakpo or Maybin, but Brown is ready now). He could have a bigger impact than Pettigrew, Raji, or Mack/Unger/Caldwell or anyone else we could get at that draft position, IMO.

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 17, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you’re on the mark. I think a lot of people agree too. That’s why so many don’t think he’ll be available. But you never know…

by south123 on Mar 17, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too small?

Dwight Freeney is smaller than Brown, yet I doubt that you’d say the same things about him. Size is an overated facter, especially for a player with the ability of Brown.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 17, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Size is an important factor for DE’s. Certainly Freeney is an excellent pass rusher. He is not very strong against the run. But he is good enough to play three downs. Freeney is the rare exception. Brown is not a Freeney. Every draft has tons of tweener DE pass rushers that cannot play 3 downs in the NFL. Brown is one of those Tweeners. If we draft a DE #11 I would like one who is large and quick. I prefere Ayers from Tennessee.

by gjv on Mar 17, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"If we draft a DE #11 I would like one who is large and quick."

There is always next year. I don’t see a premium DE, as you describe, available in the 2009 draft. DE’s like Mario Williams and Bruce Smith, while obviously desireable, are special and are very difficult to find.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Mar 17, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your absolutley right. I would not force the issue and draft a DE #11 just because its the major position of need if I didn’t feel the DE could come in and start. We could find a strter for the o-line at #11.

by gjv on Mar 17, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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