Rumblings Scouting Report: Florida TE Cornelius Ingram
As the 2009 NFL Draft approaches, the editorial staff at Buffalo Rumblings will begin profiling draft prospects that may end up being potential targets of the Buffalo Bills. Matt's back again to profile Florida's Cornelius Ingram.
One of the positions of need that has been clearly stated by the Rumblings community is a pass-catching tight end. Today we'll look at one of the draft prospects the Bills may select to fill this spot; Florida TE Cornelius Ingram.
While I never watch college football, let alone the University of Florida, the author of SBN's own Florida Gators blog Alligator Army sure does. Here's what mlmintampa had to say about Ingram.
Cornelius Ingram - Tight End, Florida
6'4", 245 lbs., 4.62-second 40 yard dash
Senior
Strengths: Physical gifts
When he was lost prior to this season, Gator fans were crushed because no one in the SEC (home of America's best college football, thank you very much) had an answer for him. At 6'4", he is too tall for a corner, yet is just as athletic. At 245 pounds, he isn't as big as a linebacker, but he can out run them. Because of his physical advantages (too fast for LBs, too big for CBs), he was often wide open. Ingram won't run away from many [DBs], so he prefers to run them over.
Weaknesses: Very raw at the position
I cannot say this enough, CI is a raw kid. If a team is willing to build him, he will be a freak of nature. Ingram is a former quarterback and basketball player, so his hands are still getting to where they need to be. In the Florida offense, the tight end rarely blocks, unless they are in a two-TE set. Even then, double tight ends usually means a run up the middle, and little chance for Ingram to knock someone back. (Ingram realizes this, too.) However, all the Florida receivers are very good downfield blockers and Ingram was no exception. This could be an area where he struggles because of technique. He is strong enough and has good feet, but he needs to learn more and get a bit bigger if he is asked to put his hand down on each play. A lot of upside. He is a great athlete and could have declared for the draft after his junior season. He is raw, so his first productive pro season could be the second or third season. If Ingram gets bigger, he will be a monster.
NFL Comparison: Antonio Gates, San Diego Chargers; Kevin Boss, New York Giants
Best case scenario is Antonio Gates, simply for the fact that they both have basketball instincts on the field. (Also, I'm a huge CI fan and I want him to be the best tight end in the league.) Realistically, if he gets bigger, I see him becoming something similar to a faster Kevin Boss.
Other Tidbits:
He grew up about 20 minutes from the University of Florida and was recruited to play football and basketball. After believing his future would be riding the bench behind Chris Leak, Tim Tebow and Florida's eventual back-to-back basketball champs, Ingram almost left school. Intervention by Urban Meyer and defensive coordinator Charlie Strong (who recruited Ingram) convinced Ingram to move to tight end and Ingram embraced it... Ingram tore his left ACL just before the 2008 season started but apparently made a tremendous recovery.
Does he fit the Bill?
I really like Ingram's size. In college he was always able to dominate a defender physically. What happens in the NFL when someone his size can run with him or when a big safety can jump with him? Before deciding to return to school last year he was very highly rated (SBN's MockingTheDraft had him going #33 overall). His ACL tear has cost him spots and he may be available as late as the fourth round. He would represent good value there.
Collected Scouting Reports for further information:
SBN's Mocking the Draft (Rated tenth-best TE)
New Era Scouting (Rated sixth-best TE, Round 3 projection)
NFL.com (Mike Maycock's third-best TE prospect)
Many thanks to the author of Alligator Army, mlmintampa, for his insight.
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If the Bills don’t address the TE position in the first two rounds, this guy would be intriguing. However our need for TE production suggests we need someone more NFL ready, versus a project. But sometimes guys like Ingram are just so gifted athletically, they find ways to contribute faster than you think.
by Buffalonian on Mar 20, 2009 7:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only TE that fits that description is Pettigrew.
He is the only complete all-around NFL-ready TE prospect.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 20, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like him, but...
He’s a project and if we want to draft a TE, then I think we need someone more NFL ready, someone that can make a immidiate impact. And I just don’t think that’s Ingram. But if we don,t mind developping him behind Fine, he’d eventually be our starter, in two or tree years. I guess when it comes down to it, I’d prefer having Beckum than Ingram.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 20, 2009 7:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But Beckum isn't NFL ready either...
at least not as a blocker. I love the kid but he’d be a contributor in the passing game before he’d be a three down player.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 20, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the 4th round? OK, but I would put Beckum in front of him.
Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?
by Joe P. on Mar 20, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would too.
Beckum is my favorite prospect not from Oklahoma (Pettigrew or Greshem… curses). I like Beckum more than Ingram.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 20, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If his knee is healthy
Ingram would be an excellent addition to our team. He could easily put on 10 to 15 lbs without loosing any speed. His talents are head and shoulders above the TE’s we currently have on the roster. My only question about him is; can he play in cold weather.
by gjv on Mar 20, 2009 8:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How did Kellen WInslow do in Cleveland?
I think the cold weather argument is overrated.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 20, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winslow is overrated.
Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?
by Joe P. on Mar 20, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His stats are great in cold weather, though.
He may be overrated, but he’s not bad and he did just fine goign from Miami U to Cleveland.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 20, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ACL tear?
How bad was it? Isn’t this usually a career ending injury? I need more information!
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Mar 20, 2009 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His Pro Day was earlier this week. He ran 4.72 and 4.69 and did every other drill/positional workout. He’s 100% healthy.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 20, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ACL tear was a year ago.
Ingram tore his left ACL just before the 2008 season started but apparently made a tremendous recovery.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 20, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it’s not exactly career ending- we drafted a running back whose knee was transformed into silly putty and he turned out alright.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Mar 20, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking about McGahee?
His career didn;t exactly turn out the way people expected it to pre injury. He is a below average starting calibre RB in the NFL. People were calling him one of the best RB prospects to come out of college in years.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Mar 20, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ACL tears
are not career ending injuries. depending on the severity of the tear the complete rehab is anywhere from 9 to 12 months. the player usually isn’t the same for close to 18 months. patella tendon injuries are usually more severe and potentially career altering, if not ending. same for achilles tears.
by gatornation on Mar 20, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gatornation...
We’d love to hear what you think about Ingram…
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 20, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ingram
I like his athleticism and the fact that he is a willing blocker. He seems like he can improve in the inline blocking dept. but seems to be a long way off from being a complete player so he would be a situational player in the initial stages of his career. I would consider him in the 4th given the other holes that OBD needs to fill first.
I really want to see what Fine provides the team this year. I liked him in the limited role he played and think he has much more to give.
by gatornation on Mar 20, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CI
The way I see it, the addition of TO this year will give the passing game the boost it needs. Drafting a talented receiving TE with the potential to learn to function with his hand on the ground every play is ideal for this year.
We don’t need him to contribute blocking (because of the Derek’s) or receiving (thanks to TO) this year, so let him learn. He is a physical specimen.
Where else would you rather be...
by Slick Shifty on Mar 20, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are we even talking about this guy?
None of us can accurately judge talent ESPECIALLY in the 4th round where this guy is projected to go.
Derek Fine was a 4th round pick up from last year. Do we honestly need to focus on another mid round TE?
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Mar 20, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you want Matt Stupar as your third TE...
We need to draft a early to mid-round TE. We need someone to play ahead of or behind him.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 20, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we are going to upgrade from Derek Fine by drafting a TE in the 4th round?
I think we need a TE as much as anyone but lets not pay any more attention to this unheralded prospect.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Mar 20, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think people are looking for a replacement for Fine, as much as a player to compliment Fine. As much as I don’t want a guy like Ingram, I think that his skills will would compliment him pretty well.
Think of it as a platoon rather then a straight starter and back-up scenario.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 20, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Fine showed some chops in the short passing game, and was a terrific mauler on the line with his hand down. The plan would be to get a guy who could help recover some of the production TO gives us this season in the following season, and would give us a big target down the seam where speed is an essential to stretch the middle of the D
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Mar 20, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totaly Agree
Thats why I don’t mind taking a TE in the third or forth round, because if you match him up with Fine he’ll do fine (no pun intended). If we can draft players that are in bigger positions of need in the early rounds and hold off TE to later on and draft a guy that will work with Fine instead of replacing him, then our team would be the better for it.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 20, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No like I said...
We are looking for a replacement forr Matt Stupar.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 20, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets not pay any more attention to this unheralded prospect.
LOL. If you’re bored with this, that’s great, but please don’t tell the rest of us what to be interested in and what to ignore.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 20, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need to ignore this.
Trust me.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Mar 20, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s Jonathan Stupar.
MRW!
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 20, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL! Matty strikes again.
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by sireric on Mar 20, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His brain will pee itself if Chris Baker ever throws a touchdown pass to Matt Supar in the pre-season.
Oh, JonathanRichWarren. You crack us up.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 20, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha... sorry I don't know the guys on our practice squad. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 20, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What round would Fine have been drafted in if he would have “blowed” (thanks Emmitt & Florio) his knee out huis senior season. He wouldn’t have been, this kid is a specimen and is a great deal in the 4th. If we get to the 4th without having drafted a TE, Beckum is gone, why not draft him? With another year of recovery under his belt, he will probably be faster and stronger when he is needed most (next year with TO gone).
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 20, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do like his athleticism and think he would be worth a shot in the 4th, but I prefer Beckum.
Another thing to consider: Florida’s offense. It isn’t exactly a “pro-style offense” (whatever that actually means), so I have to wonder on how Ingram would make the transition.
by Posluszny Pollocks on Mar 20, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would rather trade a 4th for Scheffler, then draft Beckum or Ingram.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 20, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really think
Fine will be just as good as Scheffler in the long run and a better blocker to boot. drafting a player such as Ingram, Beckum or Coffman for that matter would be a worthwhile gamble in the middle rounds as they could potentially develop into better players then what’s currently on the roster.
by gatornation on Mar 20, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the popular opinion around here that I don’t share.
I want Pettigrew.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 20, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, more accurately, you’re “Pettigrew or bust”.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 20, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Although if a guy like Pascoe or Drew were still on the board in the 6th or 7th, I would have to give them a good long look.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 20, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think we need a third TE...
Stupar ain’t gonna cut it. We need to draft someone for that spot.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 20, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but I think you know what type of player I would lean towards.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 20, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew or Pascoe....
They are big, underneath catching, run blocking ugys right?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 20, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. And Bear Pascoe runs like his namesake. He’s barely been cracking 5.0 in his 40s…
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 20, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he can grow claws and rake Rodney Harrison’s face.
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by sireric on Mar 20, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’d be fine if Harrison was still a Patriot.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 20, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t care what team he is on. I hate that guy.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 20, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not on any team.
Quad tear. Likely career-ending.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 20, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NFL Network tends to higher ex-players I can’t stand so maybe they will higher him and he will be on the sidelines of a Bills game and Bear can get him then.
If not, Bruschi will do.
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by sireric on Mar 20, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Higher – Hire. what ever
I feel like CBF.
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by sireric on Mar 20, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAH
Nice dig on CBF. I think you’re right… someone will hire him and I will get to hate him longer.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 20, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with sireric
I want Pettigrew
How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?
by Rudy916 on Mar 20, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A shocking solution!
Stop the merry-go-round of tight ends on this team. I’ve lost count how many have tried and failed the past half-dozen years here in Buffalo. The answer: Jeremy Shockey
That is the ONLY answer – a 4-time all-pro and a perfect compliment to T.O. and Lee – what a receiving core we’d have! Hey, if you can sign T.O., you can sign this guy! Let’s go for it!
by ccthemovieman on Mar 20, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As much as I dislike Chase Coffman as a prospect, I would rather draft him at #11, then trade for the overrated blow hard named Jeremy Shockey. I’ve watched my share of Giants games and will tell you that Shockey is not worth the trouble.
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by sireric on Mar 20, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shockey has a team. He’s under contract with the Saints. So…
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 20, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hands
“his hands are still getting to where they need to be”
I’m of the belief that you either have ‘hands’ or you don’t have ‘hands’. Sure, you can make a modest improvement, but if you don’t have good hands today, you’re not ever going to… that’s just natural athleticism to me.
by Pistol on Mar 20, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How to properly catch a ball...
I.e. with the hands vs. the body is something that can be learned. Learning not to turn your head until yo ucatch the ball can be learned. GOing through proper steps can be learned.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 20, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"his hands are still getting to where they need to be"
Too easy…
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 20, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we wait until the fourth round to get a TE (i.e., they don’t go with Pettigrew) I’d be quite ok to get him or Beckum. I think either one could fit very well, and I like the value of the pick more than a TE in the first (going back to an old argument, I feel like DE/LB are more pressing needs than TE).
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Mar 20, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i like ingram. i think he was brilliant at florida and i thought it would hurt their chances to win the title since he got injured (of course it didn’t hurt them). but like many state, i think he’s a risk. he has a lot to learn, but i think could eventually blossom. his versatility and multiple sports background makes him all the more attractive. if we get him in the 6th round, i say why not.
by jzoom45 on Mar 21, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if he lasts that long.
But I hope he’s still there in the 4th if we haven’t addressed it yet. He may go as high as the second round.
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