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What to do with Peters

       As the NFL draft approaches and progress seems to have slowed to a halt on the negotiations with  LT Jason Peters,  us Bills fans have been left heavily debating what should be done about the situation.   On the one hand paying Peters what he wants is ludacris in my opinion,  but on the other hand trading him leaves a hole that may be hard to fill before the start of the season.

      The front office may be a popular place to lay the blame,  but I think the blame should be placed squarely on the massive shoulders of Jason Peters.   He had been given a pay raise before the 2006  season,  a five year $15 million deal.  Two years later not only did he hold  out for more  money,  he came in out of shape before the second game of the year.  The first couple games he played he was out of shape and left the game winded far too often.  His performance suffered for most of the year.

        I do not love the idea of rewarding his mistake with a larger contract,  especially when it has been speculated that he wants $11.5 million a year.  That would tie him with Jake Long as the highest paid offensive lineman in the NFL.   I personally think this is more than his play and behavior last year warrants.

      The alternative to reaching a deal that would most likely consist of paying Peters more than he deserves, (IMO) would be a trade.  I think a lot of fans assume we would get a 1st round pick for Peters,  and we may,  but that has been debated as well.   Even with a first round pick we would have to draft a guy that would be needed to start from day one,  and it is never gauranteed that it will work that way.  First round picks are a gamble and they don't always meet expectations (remember Mike Williams).  Trading Peters could leave us with another hole on the offensive line when we still need a LG.

       If it wasn't for the fact that we need to get something positive for him if he's not going to play,  I'd be all for letting him hold out the next two years.  He wouldn't get paid,  and he'd see how much he was worth after being out of football for two years.  (I'm  really not sure what the rules are for holdouts with a scenario like this).  Since winning is the important thing,  I think we need him so I hope Peters and the FO reach an agreement.

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I still think (and this is, of course, all speculation

Peters’ agent is the one who sent him on this ill-advised journey. I would also think the same agent is telling him to wait until after the draft to see what 1st-round tackles will get. If that is true, the Bills are in an unenviable position.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 20, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

If Peters doesn't like the job his agent is doing, the Peters should fire him. Any way you slice it, Peters is responsible for his actions.

Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?

by Joe P. on Mar 20, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are absolutely right

Everyone is his own free man and integrity is something you either have or don’t have. I know it’s early in his career but I guarantee you that you’d never see guys like Lee Evans or Trent Edwards act in such a manner.

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by keysh67 on Mar 22, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tough situation

I wish there was an easy answer here. I am against all the options, to be totally honest. One option is to pay the guy like he is the best tackle in football, ignoring the reality that he is not the best tackle in football, but is instead a guy who COULD BE the best tackle in football. That makes little economic sense.

The alternative is to trade Peters for, by most accounts, a first round pick, plus or minus. Lets assume that the Bills trade him for a first round pick. We are left then with one more pick, one more need. The Bills would be left presumably to spend that new pick to try and fill the hole left by Peters. Best case scenario, we draft a player who is a wild success and plays as well as Jason Peters. I don’t see how that leads the Bills to become a better team.

Further, what scares me most is how difficult it has been for this team to develop offensive lineman. The offensive line has been a perpetual problem for this team in the past decade plus because we have shown a near total inability to develop offensive lineman.

Realistically, I think this will drag out until NFL Draft Eve, at which time the Bills will sell for the best return they can get. I think a trade with the Lions would be a logical result. I would then like to see the Bills make the O Line a priority, investing in Duke Robinson to play LG and investing in one of Michael Oher, William Beatty, or Phil Loadholt to fill the LT spot. This would leave the Bills with a young, up and coming line.

Last, how fast the tide turns. Two years ago it seemed that this team had finally developed a strong offensive line, with consistent quality performers across the board. In such a short time, that has eroded and this team seems to be returning to the quagmire that has plagued this team for so long. While I am encouraged by Hangartner, I am anxious to see the direction of the rest of this O line.

by mcgrathp on Mar 20, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Really???
Further, what scares me most is how difficult it has been for this team to develop offensive lineman. The offensive line has been a perpetual problem for this team in the past decade plus because we have shown a near total inability to develop offensive lineman.

So Butler and Chambers and Peters don’t count? all three were either late round pick or guys no one wanted, heck Peters went undrafted, and we developped them pretty well I would say. I get what you saying about it being hard to developpe quality line players, but you also have to realise that it’s almost impossible to properly develop more then two offencive lineman at a time, when said lineman are not starters. To devellop players well you have to concentrate hard on them, meaning that your limit is just about one interior lineman and one tackle at a time. We are already develloping Demitrius Bell on the outside, with him possibly moving on the inside, and by the reports that have been comming out of OBD, he is developping marvelously.

I just think that your claim that the Bills can’t develop offencive lineman is just wrong because we have been doing a tremedous job of that in the last 3 years, with one new starter emeging each year. Peters 3 years ago, Butler 2 years ago and Chambers emerging as a guy that has started at 3 different positions last year. If thats not success, then I don’t know what is.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 20, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your point on some levels. The recent administration has done a much better job investing in the offensive line and developing the line. But, the fact remains that since Ruben Brown, as far as I can recollect the Bills have only developed two good offensive lineman, Brad Butler and Jason Peters. I think the next closest “developed” lineman in Buffalo would be Jonas Jennings. My comment is not an indictment of the OBD administration or the coaching staff, but instead I think a reflection on the generally difficulty of the task at hand, replacing a bookend tackle.

by mcgrathp on Mar 21, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last, how fast the tide turns

No kidding. I remember telling my friends two years ago how happy I was that we finally had a decent O line. In such a short time, we’re already talking about three new starters. Ugh…

by krytime on Mar 21, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking to a friend before this past season, before the holdout, about how I felt that the Bills had one of the top 5 offensive lines in the AFC. It did not take long for that ship to sail. Hopefully though this next line, without or without Peters, will have the young core that can bring us to that top 5 level

by mcgrathp on Mar 21, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best case scenario, we draft a player who is a wild success and plays as well as Jason Peters. I don’t see how that leads the Bills to become a better team.

It certainly doesn’t lead to a better team next season, but it does give Buffalo an extra 40 million dollars (or about 7 mil per season for the next 6 years) to spend on other players.

But your right that its a dumb move to give the guy 11 mil per year and its a dumb move to trade him for draft picks that won’t be as good as he is. This really is a bad situation for the team and it wasn’t that long ago when I was calling this a situation that the team can’t screw up.

Further, what scares me most is how difficult it has been for this team to develop offensive lineman.

The Bills’ problem hasn’t been an inability to develop offensive lineman. Their problem has been that they don’t even attempt to develop them. A late round pick every other year isn’t going to get you very far. Buffalo doesn’t take OL early, or even in the middle of drafts and instead overpays for average veteran players.

by kaisertown on Mar 21, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with both your points., especially about the lack of draft pick investment in the line. We are seeing now that Tom Donohoe was an even worse GM than we thought when he got fired. His complete and total failure to expend picks on lineman has left the cupboard bare of prospects on the line

by mcgrathp on Mar 21, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are seeing now that Tom Donohoe was an even worse GM than we thought when he got fired.

But throwing big money at average players is a better philosophy? And the vaunted Marv Levy/Inner Circle led drafts have done the same thing Donohoe did, avoiding taking OL in the early rounds. As much grief as Donohoe gets, and probably deserves, he was still the architect for our last winning season, our last top 10 D’s, our last top 10 O, our last Pro Bowl defenders, etc, etc, etc.

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by Kurupt on Mar 22, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

A few things I hve issues with
trading him leaves a hole that may be hard to fill before the start of the season.

Inaccurate: it leaves a hole that is impossible to fill with a player as good as Peters

the blame should be placed squarely on the massive shoulders of Jason Peters. He had been given a pay raise before the 2006 season, a five year $15 million deal

Disagree: If you ere growsely underpaid for what you braught to your job, wouldn’t you demand a raise? and if you didn’t get said raise, wouldn’t you want to walk away? And OBD obviously thinks that he is underpaid for what he brings to the table, otherwise they wouldn’t be renegotiating his contract. Even if the two sides don’t agree on what the raise should be, I think that it is at least clear that both sides think that he is deserving of a raise.

fans assume we would get a 1st round pick for Peters, and we may, but that has been debated as well

Yeah, most of us have been debating whether he’s worth one or two draft pics, plus more pics after that. Now I wont pretend to know whether or not OBD is even entertaining the option of trading Peters, but I would at least like to believe that their minimum asking price is a 1st rounder and a few later picks that would amount to a trade that resembles the Jared Allen trade of a few seasons ago (one 1st, two thirds and a 6th). Would they get that much, probably not, but it should be what they aim for should they choose to trade Peters. So…

First round picks are a gamble and they don’t always meet expectations (remember Mike Williams). Trading Peters could leave us with another hole on the offensive line when we still need a LG.

First round picks are only a gamble if you don’t do your homewrok on the pick, hence Mike Williams. And even though there is a hole at LG, whats to say we can’t handle that in the draft either. I’ll agree with you that it is not the ideal situation to be in, but it would be an answer.

If it wasn’t for the fact that we need to get something positive for him if he’s not going to play, I’d be all for letting him hold out the next two years. He wouldn’t get paid, and he’d see how much he was worth after being out of football for two years.

If he held out for two years, he’d still have two years left on his contract when he’d get back, and his best years would be behind him. Holding out ferther brings him absolutly nothing. And I do believe that Brian said that whether he gets his extention or not, Peters has chosen not to hold out this year.

Since winning is the important thing, I think we need him so I hope Peters and the FO reach an agreement.

Finally something I’ll agree with you on. And since winning is what counts, I’ll answer you what to do about Peters. You tnegotiate an extention with him, and if that doesn’t work, you let him play this year and you renegotiate next year. You have NO obligation to trade him, none. The only reason you would have to trade him is if someone makes a godfather offer, otherwise from that, you play him and you move on. End of story.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 20, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

     I just want to reply and try to back up some of the things I wrote that you had issues with. I think draft picks are often a gamble. Mike Williams was not the only first round bust, for The Bills or any other team. A lot of times a team can do all they can to research and evaluate draft picks, and a player still falls far short of expectations, We may draft a LT in the first round and he could step in, do a great job, and end up being as good or better than Peters. However LT is one of those positions that often takes some time to adapt to in the NFL.
     I wanted to include a link to an ESPN chat with Tim Brown : It’s a little lengthy, but if you scroll down you’ll find where he thinks Peters is not worth a first round pick. I’m not saying he’s not worth a first round pick, I’m just saying there has been some doubt.
      I do however like the fact that Peters said he won’t holdout this year, i have not heard that before. If that’s the case I think this is all a moot point. If he’s going to be there we have time to work out a deal, so there is no reason to trade him. Hey, thanks for your opinions I do enjoy a football debate.

by brianb386 on Mar 20, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

  Hey it wasn,t anything against you in particular. I’ve just been seeing you train of thought out of a lot of ppl resently and I’ve been waiting a while for the oppertunity to say all that I said. You just happened to be the first person that posted it all up.
  I’ll agree that picks are sometmes gambits, and I’d rather have Peters than a first. I just wanted to show what Peters should get if traded, which I don’t want to happen.
  I also happen to think that it is all a moot point since we don’t need to trade him. We can keep him for the last 2 years of his contract, tag him for a third, all while developping his replacememt. So if he askes for to much, well then his problem.
   As forenjoying a debate, why do you think I put up the post. I thuroly enjoy discussing differing opinions about what the team should do. Theres absolutly nothing wrong with a good debate.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 20, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

K.I.S.S. as it applies to the Peters situation, 1 being the best option:

1. Sign him for 9-10 M/year, not a dime more.
2. Trade him for for multiple draft picks, not less than this year’s 1st and 3rd, plus next years 2nd.
3. Make him play out the remaining 2 years on this contract, franchise him for a 3rd year. Trade him if possible or let him walk as a last resort. That gives us 3 years to find his replacement via the draft or FA.

Why do you have to 'put your two cents in'... but it's only a 'penny for your thoughts'? Where's that extra penny going to?

by Joe P. on Mar 20, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Man too much Peters talk...........

Im getting quite bored with all of it really……and this will be the last time I post in a Peters thread……Im over all of it.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 21, 2009 1:48 AM EDT reply actions  

You and me both. Either sign him and make him happy, or trade him already.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 21, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright this is where the Pro Athletes really burn me. Peters may have had some leverage following the 2007 season where he played very solid. But since the Bills do not negotiate with holdouts, Peters caused himself and the rest of the team to suffer by missing OTAs, Training Camp, and Preseason. He wasn’t able to build that chemistry with the rest of the line that is needed to be 100% effective. Also he was incredibly out of shape. He signed a contract. Live with it. Now it appears the Bills front office are looking to sign him long term and I’m fine with that. But Peters expectations, as well as most people I have heard on here, are way too high. Peters had an awful season last year. Why would you think that a LT that gave up almost a sack per game to go along with 8 penalties is worth top dollar at his position? 11.5 sacks in 13 games. Its not like he was facing elite defensive ends week in and week out. To me you don’t reward a player for one successful season, especially when it is followed by such an unsatisfying one. Who’s to say once he gets his big payday he stops producing at a pro bowl level like many players do who play more for the money than the love of the game? I view Peters as that type of player. Terrell Owens never voluntarily missed games due to a contract dispute. Even he showed up, and he is one of the most scrutinized personalities in football. What does that say about Peters and his devotion to the team? As far as I’m concerned, if we could get this years 1st plus 2 more picks, it would be well worth it for us. It would save on cap space for one. Chambers has proven he can play at a high level on the outside and should continue to improve. We wouldn’t necessarily have to start a rookie at LT until he is ready. We would then still have the same amount of holes to fill with 3 more draft choices.

by BFFL on Mar 21, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Look

The team just signed Owens to a 1-year contract. Why, coupled with the looming suspension of Lynch, would they want to further disrupt their offensive line? This will do nothing to help Owens’ and Evans’ production on the field. They want to win now – Peters will make that attempt easier.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 21, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

12 sacks in 13 games. Chambers 2 sacks in 16 games.

by BFFL on Mar 21, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Look i'm usually eager to criticize him for his dropoff

but we need to realize that Duke Preston was a liability on more than a few occasions.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 21, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

haha

You cannot compare the two. Did Chambers start 13 games at the most important position on the OL?

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by Kurupt on Mar 22, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

You dont even have to compare Chambers with Peters. Peters, in no way, dominated his position to deserve a $10 million contract. He gave up 12 sacks in 13 games. That is borderline average.

by BFFL on Mar 22, 2009 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should take a look at the stats that Ron From NM gave us. If you did, you would see that even with those sacks, Peters was entierly dominant at his position.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/3/9/786294/offensive-line-review-duke

Plus it truely did not help that Dock was beside Peters, as Dock was statisticly the worst starting LG for pass protection this year.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 22, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, I know those stat numbers are awful, but he is a dominant blocker the other 98% of the plays. So it depends how you want to look at the situation. You can say that because of all those sacks, some nagging injuries and the holdout that Peters had a terrible year and I wouldn’t really be able to argue that. But if your trying to figure out how good he is in general or if you are trying to predict future performance, then you have to look at good he was as a run blocker and how dominant a pass blocker he was for a lot of the time and come to the conclusion that he is pretty much a stud.

by kaisertown on Mar 22, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats what I'm saying

Did he have a bad year? yes. Did his holdout hurt his performance? yes. Did he let by a few more sacks then we would have liked? yes. Does that change the fact that he is one of the best, if not the best, run blocker in the league? no. Does that change the fact that on the vast majority of his plays he was also a very dominant pass blocker? no. Does that mean that Peters is one of the most dominant LT’s in the game? ABSOLULY!

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 22, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know how many sacks he gave up when he went to the Pro Bowl?

And doesn’t the NFL appoint at least 1 representative from each team to the Pro Bowl? Just wondering.

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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Mar 22, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

No not every team is represented at the Pro-Bowl.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 22, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

NHL does it that way though.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 23, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

So does MLB

And I disagree with both practises. You put in the BEST players in your all-star game, not the best player from every team then fill out the roster. I much prefer the NFL’s way of selection the Pro Bowl to the NHL’s. The NHL the fans chose the starters and the league choses the rest of the roster. The NFL it’s broken up, the fans get 33% of the vote, the players have 33% of the vote and the owners/coachs/staff/whatever get the last 33%. All have the same importance in selecting the players that go to the game.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 23, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

progress seems to have slowed to a halt on the negotiations with LT Jason Peters

Says who? Where do you get that assumption from? The Bills and Peters aren’t close on a contract and the negotiations are going slowly, but thats because its March and not because this team isn’t trying to sign him. Buffalo wants to sign Peters and they almost definitely will. And I know his initial contract demands are very high, but they are his initial demands. I used to work at a pizzeria and I was one of the highest paid employees there and I did it by always asking for ridiculous dollar an hour raises and then negotiating a 50 cent raise instead of going in asking for 25 cents an hour and getting 25 cents an hour. Peters is getting about 10 mil per season, but he has to ask for 12 mil per year to get that 10 and the team has to offer him 8 mil per season to get him for 10. It’s a negotiation.

by kaisertown on Mar 21, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Really?

I thought they have flat rates based on the time you’ve worked for the company……I should do that to my boss next time. But if I get fired by my boss after asking for a ridiculous raise, you’ll need to help me find a job ;)

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by moncheri on Mar 21, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m just going by what Chris Brown and other analysts have been saying. I haven’t been privelaged with inside information so I ahve to go with the most credible information that I have. That is that they are about 3 mil per year apart, and I’ve heard it said that neither side is budging much. I hope that negotiations will continue and the will reach a deal everyone can live with.

by brianb386 on Mar 21, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kaiser – did you ever threaten to hold out?

by krytime on Mar 22, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, but it was a BS college job that I didn’t need and was one of a handful of employess who could open on some weekday mornings. I did actually spread some rumors that I was considering quitting a few times. Worked like a charm. Truth is that I loved the job. I had a couple of good friends who worked there too and if I wasn’t delivering I could booze a little bit while I worked which, sadly, was a huge perk for me.

by kaisertown on Mar 22, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t consider that sad, that is a good perk

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by Kurupt on Mar 22, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can you be a

dominant blocker sometimes? You either block the guy or you dont. Part of being a dominant player and being the highest paid player at your position is being dominant all the time. I think the guy is great. Just not worth hurting the balance of the team as far as salary cap goes. The only way that could be good is if the NFLPA and Owners arent able to extend the bargaining agreement and there’s no more Salary Cap. I believe thats up after the 2011 season… Somebody correct me.

by BFFL on Mar 22, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a solution

I think trading a future potential superstar LT makes no sense at all. Right now I agree that he is not there but if anyone has the potential it’s Peters. Like everyone, I hate the stance he has taken on this subject and whether or not it his his fault or his agent’s fault he should be a better man than he has shown. All this to say that I think many fans don’t feel much love for the greedy approach he has taken.

I say we draft Oher with the 11th pick and we keep Peters and offer him a decent raise but without breaking the bank (7-8M range) something in the range of what his actual worth really is, not the future worth that he thinks he’ll be in the future. The odds are that he will want to hold out, so be it – let him hold out! We won’t have to pay him. He can only hurt his reputation by doing so. We own his rights whether he wants to admit it or not. If he wants to play hardball we should oblige him and reciprocate. If he refuses a new contract then let him play this one out and cash in when he hits the open market – or actually play like a top LT in 2009 and the the Bills would gladly step up and offer him a contract that he actually deserves. He is very much worth the 3M he currently gets and if he holds out he doesn’t get paid so where’s the problem? That he won’t be happy to play for us? Bogus, because even he understands that regardless what happens he needs to prove his worth when he plays if he ever intends on being the highest paid lineman in the league. We hold all the cards and we need to take a hard line on this one! What this implies however is that we need to draft 2 linemen in order to mitigate our risk level going into 2009. Accepting a lesser trade now makes no sense because we weaken our team in 2009 for no good reason and if we draft a LT in the first round this year and he turns out great, we have even more options in 2010. We are extremely lucky this year because this year’s crop of LTs is extremely deep, so we have options other than Peters. We can just as easily shop Peters next year and still get a 2nd rounder so why accept such a low offer this year? There is no guarantee that next year’s draft will be as deep at the LT position.

So my position is to play hardball with this guy but we need to address the line in the draft. This means that we can’t draft as many “potential” weapons on offense or defense but looking out for this team long term it seems like the smartest move.

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by keysh67 on Mar 22, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Good post. Good plan

Why is 'bra' singular and 'panties' plural?

by Joe P. on Mar 22, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought you would agree.
It’s unfortunate that Peters is acting this way but it is a business and we certainly cannot let ourselves be held hostages by greedy malcontent athletes that decide mid-way in their contracts that they aren’t making enough. Sometimes sending a message is the right course of action and this is probably one of those times.

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by keysh67 on Mar 22, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

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