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Mock Draft 3/22: Bills select DE Maybin

I've been wanting to do this for a little while now on my own, and considering it's Sunday, the NCAA Tournament is in full force and Bills news is scattered at best (besides the whole Toronto thing, that is), I figured now was as good a time as any to update my mock draft.  I'll be doing this again probably a day prior to the actual event, and the authors and moderators of Rumblings are currently working on a two-rounder as well.  Oh, and the SB Nation NFL Mock Draft starts next week, too - more on that starting Wednesday.

1.  Detroit Lions (0-16): Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
- Stafford had an outstanding Pro Day and is now the clear-cut top quarterback prospect, if he wasn't before.  Detroit has two more picks in the top 33 and can deal with other needs with those selections.  Right now, passing on a franchise signal-caller would be rather Millen-like.

2.  St. Louis Rams (2-14): Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
- Orlando Pace has been released, so this pick is close to being a 100% certainty that it'll be an offensive tackle.  Jason Smith has been the fast riser (with Andre Smith the faller), but Monroe's stock has been humming along since January unscathed.  He's the safest bet for the re-tooling Rams.

3.  Kansas City Chiefs (2-14): Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
- Pretty much a no-brainer here - if Curry is available, he's exactly the type of player that Scott Pioli will look to build his defense around.  Next.

4.  Seattle Seahawks (4-12): Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
- I've had Michael Crabtree and B.J. Raji going here in the past, but with T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Colin Cole and Cory Redding joining the team, that pretty much tosses Crabtree and Raji out the window.  Smith isnt immediate-impact, but he's outstanding insurance as the Seahawks prepare for the eventual departure of aging LT Walter Jones.

5.  Cleveland Browns (4-12): Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
- Don't be shocked if the Browns move up on draft day to take Aaron Curry - he's also the type of guy that Eric Mangini loves.  Without a move up, one of the draft's top pass rushers in Brown is a nice consolation prize for the defensively re-tooling Browns.

6.  Cincinnati Bengals (4-11-1): Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
- It's becoming pretty obvious that Eugene Monroe is their top target, but I think Oher is a fantastic backup plan.  OT absolutely has to be the pick here for Cincinnati.  Oher replaces Levi Jones at LT right out of the gate.

7.  Oakland Raiders (5-11): Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
- Workouts or no workouts, injuries or no injuries, Crabtree is the best receiver in the draft.  Getting a weapon for developing QB JaMarcus Russell is the clear top priority in Oakland.

8.  Jacksonville Jaguars (5-11): B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
- Everyone's talking wideout or tackle here, but if Jack Del Rio needs anything in Jacksonville, it's an attitude adjustment.  Raji is a nasty, physical player that would re-establish the Jaguars as one of the toughest run defenses in the league.

9.  Green Bay Packers (6-10): Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
- Green Bay's got some players (most notably Aaron Kampman) that can rush in the team's new 3-4.  They'll take the best fit for their new scheme that they can find, and it's Jackson - whose stock is climbing rapidly - that fits the bill.

10.  San Francisco 49ers (7-9): Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
- Mike Singletary would love to get his hands on Raji.  He'll be the pick if he's available.  If he's not, they'll take the best available pass rusher.  Orakpo is viewed as a safer pick than the next guy on the list...

11.  Buffalo Bills (7-9): Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
Everyone here knows that the pass rush and the offensive line are currently the Bills' two biggest issues.  The pick, therefore, necessarily comes down to Andre Smith (no thanks) or the best pass rusher.  In the view of your humble editor, Maybin is the best defender not named Curry in the draft.

Picks 12-32 appear after the jump.

Star-divide

12.  Denver Broncos (8-8): Clay Matthews, LB, USC
13.  Washington Redskins (8-8): Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
14.  New Orleans Saints (8-8): Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
15.  Houston Texans (8-8): Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
16.  San Diego Chargers (8-8): Rey Maualuga, LB, USC
17.  New York Jets (9-7): Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
18.  Chicago Bears (9-7): Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
19.  Tampa Bay Buccaneers (9-7): Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State
20.  Detroit Lions* (f/DAL): Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi
21.  Philadelphia Eagles (9-6-1): Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
22.  Minnesota Vikings (10-6): Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
23.  New England Patriots (11-5): Eben Britton, OT, Arizona
24.  Atlanta Falcons (11-5): Brian Cushing, LB, USC
25.  Miami Dolphins (11-5): Clint Sintim, LB, Virginia
26.  Baltimore Ravens (11-5): Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
27.  Indianapolis Colts (12-4): Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
28.  Philadelphia Eagles* (f/CAR): William Beatty, OT, Connecticut
29.  New York Giants (12-4): Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
30.  Tennessee Titans (13-3): Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee
31.  Arizona Cardinals (9-7): Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
32.  Pittsburgh Steelers (12-4): Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest

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1. Detroit Lions (0-16): Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
- Stafford had an outstanding Pro Day and is now the clear-cut top quarterback prospect, if he wasn’t before. Detroit has two more picks in the top 33 and can deal with other needs with those selections. Right now, passing on a franchise signal-caller would be rather Millen-like.

Actually, I would say that the Lions need a sure thing. I’m not sure that Stafford is a sure bet to become a franchise QB. He is the best QB in this draft, but that doesn’t mean that he is a future stud QB. If I was a Lions fan I would be craving a sure fire, top notch, player. The player who best fits that description in this draft is Aaron Curry. After an 0-16 season the Lions can’t afford to flop with the top pick.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 22, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A linebacker has never gone #1 overall, unless I’m mistaken. They’d take an OT before Curry. Obviously I think they’ll end up with Stafford.

NO quarterback is ever a sure bet to become a franchise QB, but you don’t pass on potential at the position. Stafford has it.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 22, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First time for everything. I would take Smith over Stafford, and I know that a lot of their fans feel the same way.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 22, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That said, you could be right also.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 22, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By Smith, I’m assuming you mean Jason, but you could mean Andre, too.

I tried not to gauge fan opinion on this one. This is prediction as opposed to “the draft of the fan”.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 22, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But don't forget........ when the Lions head coach was interviewed on PTI

That he didn’t rule out the Lions trading out of the #1 pick. I think even he knows this team has alot of needs to be addressed.

Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Mar 22, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THe bills at #1 anyone?

I know it’s not going to happen, but what would it cost us to go to number 1 theoretically ?

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 22, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bills #11 pick is worth 1250 pts

The #1 pick is worth 3000 pts. This year’s pick values for all teams are set, but next year’s are a mystery. We would have to give this years #11 plus whatever both teams would feel the Bills number one pick next year would be worth, which depends upon how well both teams think the Bills are going to do this season.

http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/draft_point_value_chart.htm

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by Joe P. on Mar 22, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok i've been seeing this point system from a lot of ppl, but...

and you can call me a draft rookie on this one, but who comes up wih this point system, and who comes up with which position is worth how much and so on and so forth.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 22, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure who invented the chart but

here is a good place to start your draft education :-)

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftology.php

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by Joe P. on Mar 22, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was Jimmy Johnson when he first came to the NFL…

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 23, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PArcells I believe

He created his own chart and that it spread through the rest of the league.
I think I heard this, but if you’re looking it up, I might be wrong.

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by killascript on Mar 22, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was Jimmy Johnson?

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by Kurupt on Mar 23, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was Jimmy Johnson too

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 23, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In 1979 the Bills selected LB Tom Cousineau #1.

by gjv on Mar 22, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alos...

1988 LB Aundray Bruce, Atlanta Falcons
1966 LB Tommy Nobis, Atlanta Falcons
1949 LB/C (HOFer at both positions) Chuck Bednarik, Philidalphia Eagles

so it’s happened 4 times in all.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 22, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A linebacker has never gone #1 overall, unless I’m mistaken.

As a Bills fan, how could you possibly forget Tom Cousineau?

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by Calvert on Mar 22, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m 23 years old. I was exactly -6 years old in 1979. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 22, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL of course I don’t!

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 22, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHA

Wtg Brian……. nice CYA.

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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Mar 22, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Linebackers taken first overall

Chuck Bednarik – 1949
Tommy Nobis – 1966
Tom Cousineau – 1979
Aundray Bruce – 1988

by bobb498 on Mar 23, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Aundray Bruce doesn’t really count because he was a 6’5’’, 270 pound player who played lots of DE and TE as well. In the current NFL landscape he would probably get drafted solely to play DE or OLB in a 3-4.

by kaisertown on Mar 23, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Aundray Bruce doesn’t really count because he was a 6’5’’, 270 pound player who played lots of DE and TE as well. In the current NFL landscape he would probably get drafted solely to play DE or OLB in a 3-4.

by kaisertown on Mar 23, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not bad, but........

-Josh Freeman will not be drafted before Sanchez, since he is still pretty raw as a Q.B. A lot of people think he may fall into the 2nd round.
- Andre Smith is hard ti figure out, he had a terrible time at the Combine, and he took of his shirt which was a huge mistake. But over his 3 years starting at Alabama, he went against some top pass rushers in the NFL now. Only gave up around 17 sacks over 3 years, I believe.
- Maybin has all the tools and talent to be a top NFL player, but still is raw and would probably take a few years to really make an impact.
- Vontae Davis stock has really dropped big time and is not going to be drafted ahead of Jenkins, who some consider either a safety or cornerback.
- Clay Mathews ahead of Cushing, doubt that one.
- I don’t see Beanie Wells dropping that far in the 1st round, some believe he will go in the top-15 picks.
- Michael Oher has also fallen out of the top-10 picks, similar to Smith from Alabama.
- Patriots will take Maulauga from everything I hear, since they need to replace Vrobel.
- I like the Nicks pick from UNC and believe that he might be the best receiver in the draft. He had 3 TD’s and 270 yards receiving against Boston College. He replaced Brandon Tate, who had a torn ACL and was lost for the season in the Notre Dame game.
If Tate can fully recover from his injury, he could be the darkhorse Receiver this season, since he was expected to go in the 1st round before the season.

by BuffaloWhiner on Mar 22, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ll respond to each of these!

- Josh Freeman spent a season at Kansas State with current Bucs coach Raheem Morris. I feel certain he’ll be ranked ahead of Sanchez on their board. The Bucs are re-building, so if they have one or two quarterbacks available when they pick, I’d put my money on Freeman.

- Andre Smith won’t slip past pick 13, which is where I have him going. He’ll be a serious consideration as high as 6.

- Vontae Davis had a terrific Pro Day last week, so his stock is moving back up. I don’t believe that any of the top thirteen picks will prioritize DB very highly, and I think Davis is a better fit in New Orleans than Jenkins is. I, too, believe Jenkins is the better player, but the quality of the player isn’t always correlative to draft order.

- Matthews is a better fit for a 3-4 than Cushing is. Denver needs 3-4 help. Hence, Matthews.

- I think Wells is a legitimate Top 10 talent, but the need for RB just isn’t there this year.

- Oher will be fine. He’ll be a Top 20 pick, but I’m predicting a surge in his stock as the draft gets closer.

- Obviously I agree that the Pats would take Maualuga if he’s there. I just don’t think he’ll be there.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 22, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josh Freeman spent a season at Kansas State with current Bucs coach Raheem Morris. I feel certain he’ll be ranked ahead of Sanchez on their board

I was just going to ask what your logic on that one is. How excited is Minnesota if they can grab Sanchez and do you think Detroit regrets taking Stafford if Sanchez is still there at 20? I’m sure fans will complain about it if nothing else.

I’ve heard that Oher is sliding down draft boards from a bunch of places, but nobody is saying why. I think your right that his value is still top 10 and he doesn’t slide further than Washington. I think he is a classic case of over evaluation just like how NBA teams take Europeans over 4 year college players because they watch so much more game tape on the college kids and nit-pick them to pieces.

The only pick of yours that I really didn’t like and think you could maybe change is Phil Loadholt to Indy. I just don’t see them drafting a massive RT who could be a pass blocking liability. I don’t think Loadholt fits with what they look for scheme wise and might be limited to RT in Indy so he might not have that versatility that you look for if he can’t beat out Ryan Diem for the starting spot.

by kaisertown on Mar 22, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only pick of yours that I really didn’t like and think you could maybe change is Phil Loadholt to Indy. I just don’t see them drafting a massive RT who could be a pass blocking liability. I don’t think Loadholt fits with what they look for scheme wise and might be limited to RT in Indy so he might not have that versatility that you look for if he can’t beat out Ryan Diem for the starting spot.

Things are going to change slightly in Indy under the leadership of Jim Caldwell. They’ll transition to a traditional 4-3 from the Tampa 2 now that Larry Coyer is in town. More significantly to this discussion, Indy will run the ball more than ever. They’ve got the running backs, but they haven’t been a good run-blocking team for a significant period of time. Loadholt gives them a powerful right tackle to help them in the run department, and they’ve got the tight ends/backs to help him out until he settles himself into the pass protection schemes.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 22, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good explanation. I disagree, but good explanation.

Ryan Diem started his career as a guard and I guess he could always be moved back.

by kaisertown on Mar 22, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What ever happened to Josh Johnson
the quarterback the Bucs were high on last year and drafted

by Parrish11rules on Mar 22, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Different regime.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 22, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Offer Roscoe for J. Johnson

Maybe he can keep his cousin out of trouble…and we get a good QB prospect too…

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 23, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great, but we don’t need a quarterback. I’d rather trade Roscoe, if we have to, for something that gives us a little more utility than a #3 QB.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 23, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, still think Waters for Roscoe and a 4th could work

Or maybe Roscoe and a 7th for Sheffler out in Denver.

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Mar 23, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sireric's basement

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by Kurupt on Mar 22, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They guy is eating me out of house and home!

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 22, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well if you’d quit buying all the Miley Cyrus gear, you wouldn’t have to worry about that.

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by Kurupt on Mar 22, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Picture this:

Josh Johnson wearing a Hanna Montana t-shirt sitting on my couch drinking my beer.
Welcome to my life.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 22, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Csn snyone else come over and drink your beer?

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 22, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure come on over, you can also head over to Kry’s and share a brew with Aaron Merz.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 23, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno...

I mean If Joe can get Megan Fox at his house instead, I think I’ll head there…. although I’d probably have to pick some of you guys up along the way.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 23, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only way Megan Fox

is coming to my house is if her car breaks down out front. Even then, I doubt my wife would let her in the house :-(

Why is 'bra' singular and 'panties' plural?

by Joe P. on Mar 23, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it's between your wife and Megan Fox

Sorry Joe, but I’m kicking out your wife :-P

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 23, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian

do you feel the team will stand pat at 11, or try to trade down? If the latter, i’d love to see your mock in that scenario.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 22, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I realize I’m not Brian- but if I had to guess, I think if someone like Crabtree was still available (which would take the Raiders being fantastically non-Raiders-ish) at the 11 spot, the Bills could probably trade back, but I don’t think they’d get a great offer in the situation above. So, if Brian is Nostradamus, I don’t think they’d end up trading back.

Then again, I don’t have “sources”, “a clue”…

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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Mar 22, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This regime hasn’t traded back once in three years. I’d never say never, but history would indicate them staying put as opposed to moving back.

I’d love to see them trade back a bit, though. This is the year to do it.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 22, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know that I’d worry much about the Bills recent history in terms of an aversion to trading back. When Buffalo picked Whitner (cue groaning noises) OBD was fielding panicked calls from Philly—who wanted Bunkley. The decision was made to stay put because the brass wanted Whitner and thought Detroit would take him, I think right before Philly’s slot. So the team turned down a 2nd or 3rd rounder (whatever the offer was) and got their guy.

I do see Buffalo trading down this year unless OBD really, really has a guy (like Maybin) in their sights. If they do then, no, there won’t be any budging them—even for an above average trade offer. Who knows? With the short list of franchise QBs in the draft and the uncapped year looming we could see more trade activity in the top of the 1st than we have in quite some time. A top 5 guy could tumble to #11, though I’d hope Buffalo has traded the pick for a kings ransom.

by Ron From NM on Mar 22, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that this is the year for the Bills to trade down. Maybin is VERY chancy for a #11 pick (see Mike Maycock’s highly negative take on him) and is quite raw, even if he does have potential at the NFL level (which is a big question). I would like to see them move down 10 to 12 places, take an interior o-lineman (i.e. Mack) or Pettigrew, then pick up their defensive star in the second round (Connor Barwin or Jarron Gilbert would both make a huge difference against both the pass and run). The only reason to stay at #11 is if Raji somehow falls to them, but that’s very unlikely.

by Macktruck on Mar 22, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jarron Gilbert???!?!?!!

Really?

How would he help us against the pass and how is he a fit here? He looks like a prototypical 3-4 DE to me…

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by Kurupt on Mar 22, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he is another guy like Tyson Jackson who I would love to have on the team as a versatile player who can stuff the run as a DE and maybe get some pressure as a DT, but they just aren’t worth the pick that Buffalo would have to invest into them. If Aaron Schobel were 26 years old and still looked great, or if Buffalo had taken your advice and found a great RDE last offseason, then a bookend LDE would be a good fit, but they don’t improve this team’s pass rush enough to even consider in the early rounds.

by kaisertown on Mar 22, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where did you hear that about Philly? All I’ve heard is Denver was trying to move up for Cutler, but the Bills thought the Ravens would take Whitner.

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by Kurupt on Mar 22, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

trading down

Yeah, that was a genius decision wasn’t it? Don’t trade down with Philly and pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder or pick Bunkley or Ngata yourself. Hold on to that pick to select a very ordinary Safety – Donte Whitner. Great decision.

by bobb498 on Mar 23, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same things were being said last year

In terms of trading back in the first

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by killascript on Mar 22, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see it happening, again.

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by Kurupt on Mar 23, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That first pick really sets the tone for the first round

If the Lions go QB (Stafford) then I can see the top of the draft shaking out kind of like you’ve postulated, Brian. If the Lions go Curry then I can see Maybin being gone by #11—an early defensive run. Also, if the Lions go LT (Monroe?) I can see no QBs going in the top 10 at all, meaning Maybin would probably be gone at #11 as well.

Naturally, there will be at least one trade but the players would likely remain more or less the same. If I were a betting man (Hey! I am!) I’d put my chips on the Lions as the team moving (back up) into the top half of the first. Getting a franchise QB and LT (in some order) would go a long way towards helping that franchise.

Buffalo could be in the drivers seat at #11.

by Ron From NM on Mar 22, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But if they draft that franchise QB at 1

They can get one of the top five or six OTs at 20. They don’t have to trade back up IMO.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 23, 2009 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Maybin at 11

 think it’s a real possibility for him to be there and I also think that he’d be a great asset to our team. I’d prefer Brown, but I highly doubt that he’d fall that far.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 22, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Curry

i think the lions will take Cuury first, they cannot afford to make any mistakes this year. He is the safest bet. i think the O line should have become the bills priority, they should take Alex Mack with the 11 th pick to play him at LG

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by gregeng on Mar 22, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure how drafting a QB #1 overall and sitting him behind Culpepper for a year is a “mistake”. It can’t be a mistake if he’s not on the field. They’ve got the #20 and #33 picks to screw up with “instant impact” players.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 22, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the mistake would be spending $60 million dollars on a player who is not the most likely to succeed. they have so many needs and if i use the words Tim Crouch or Ti Jana Carter you will see what i am saying, the number one overall pick must be the safest pick you can make

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by gregeng on Mar 22, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the number one overall pick must be the safest pick you can make

That’s really where you and I disagree. I’m of the belief that the top overall pick must be the safest investment you can make. You can avoid taking a potential franchise signal-caller all you want to save face, but left tackles and linebackers don’t take your team to the playoffs. Quarterbacks do. The fact that Culpepper is in town makes Stafford a great investment for Detroit.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 22, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Culpepper

He hasn’t done much in years, and I think he very well could be done, and if he starts more than 10 games, including the final games, and wins half, he should be the comeback player of the year in 09.
I would think the better investment, would be what the Browns did in 07. Best tackle at one, highest rated QB at 20, and then the best overall player at 33. Do not trade the picks, and get all rookies. The tackle is a sure thing, the QB is 50-50 at 60 mil, or 10 mil (?or less?) and the 33rd could have an immediate impact as well

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by killascript on Mar 23, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a bad way to go about it

seems to have worked for the Browns… well it did the first season after, then they just sucked last year. might be the smart thing to do for the Lions… but then again we are talking about the Lions here, Millen might be gone, but I have the distinct feeling that his draft mentality isn’t.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 23, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That only worked for the Browns because Brady Quinn inexplicably slid down to the 22nd pick. What if Quinn was off the board at by the time that Cleveland could trade up. What if the third QB on their draft board was John Beck, Kevin Kolb or Drew Stanton who all went about where Cleveland was going to pick in the second round? Then again, it could have been Trent Edwards they drafted in the second.

And I think Atlanta fans would argue that their drafting of Matt Ryan at 3 and Sam Baker at 21 worked about twice as well as Cleveland’s OT first and QB second strategy.

by kaisertown on Mar 23, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zing.

Way to cite precedent. Both ways can be successful.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 23, 2009 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, here is the thing though Kaiser

All of the people covering the college draftees are saying alot of things ARE different between Ryan and Stafford. Ryan had game tape that showed he came up big in pressure/big situations, Stafford has been at best, pedestrian in those situations. Ryan also played 4 years of college ball for a coach who ran a pro-style system. Stafford is a spread offense QB who did horribly at the combine tossing the ball to players who were not his guys from college. Which is what happens alot in the pros due to sub packages and injuries, you better be able to do so. I think the Lions should go Curry at #1, their D stinks, at least the O could move the ball.

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by WABillsfan on Mar 23, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

???

Stafford didn’t throw at the combine.

Georgia runs a pro style offense. He took a much higher percentage of snaps under center than Matt Ryan did.

by kaisertown on Mar 23, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, thought he did

This is why I shouldn’t be on here before I get my morning cup of Joe.

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Mar 23, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if they took Edwards?

He could end up being the best QB from that class….and is so far

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on Mar 23, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tell that to Mike Williams
The tackle is a sure thing,

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 23, 2009 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is alot of choice at OT in this draft

Williams was the Andre Smith, but unfortunately for us, he didn’t dictate that he was a head case…or a wussy, whatever you prefer.

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by killascript on Mar 23, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am slowly convincing myself that Oher is the way to go

If I take a step back and really look at the Peters situation, I am starting to be convinced that the best long term approach for our team is to play hard ball with him (see my argument). So if in fact this is the smartest move then we should be focusing on Oher. I doubt that Cincy goes for Oher over Smith, which would leave Oher on the board at #11.

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by keysh67 on Mar 22, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You could be right

While I like the Maybin pick, I remember geronimo’s post saying the Bills were not high on any of the top 3 DEs. And, that OBD liked Matthews. If Peters was signed, I would bet Matthews would be the pick. If Peters can’t be signed before the draft, then Oher, Mack, or Unger. This is a great example of how Peters in negatively affecting this team by not signing a reasonable offer (I assume the Bills have offered him 10M/year).

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by Joe P. on Mar 22, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t assume that the Bills have offered Peters 10 mil yet. Unless Peters has started to come down from his Jake Long type asking price, it would be a pretty bad negotiating move for the Bills to already offer what their target price is. They still have another month to get a solid grasp of what it will take to sign Peters.

by kaisertown on Mar 22, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could be right, I guess that depends on whether the Bills are serious about trading him.

Although you could trade Peters after the draft, IMO it would be better to do it prior to the draft. Trading Peters would create a hole that the Bills would need to address early in the draft (most likely with pick #11) plus the extra picks we would get would change who we can realistically target to fill other holes. If I were the Bills, I would tell Peters that if he does not accept their offer before the draft, he is either going to be traded if we can get good value for him. If not, he will be playing under his current contract again this season.

Why is 'bra' singular and 'panties' plural?

by Joe P. on Mar 22, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s too early for Buffalo to be really pressing to sign Peters or start issuing ultimatums. They should worry about what’s best for the negotations for now, try and move things along in a manner that keeps them in control and get a better feel for what it will actually take to sign Peters. If they either can’t figure out what the cheepest they can get him for is, or if they figure it out, but don’t like the total, then you can start with the threats to sign or be traded or actually trade him. Like I said before, the Bills still have a month to see where the negotiations go.

If the Bills panic now and press to hard then you either push him out the door, sign him for more than you want to or get lucky and bully him into a deal that he doesn’t like all that much.

by kaisertown on Mar 22, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that they have a month,

which is why I said before the draft. I don’t believe that telling Peters that he could be traded or reminding him that he is under contract for the next two years should be considered a threat. They are facts that Peters needs to consider. I could care less if Peters likes his deal because even if he gets a deal that makes him the highest paid LT in the NFL, he will not have that title for long. Then, two years/Pro Bowls later and it is back to being underpaid and unhappy again.

Why is 'bra' singular and 'panties' plural?

by Joe P. on Mar 22, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

which is why I said before the draft.

Alright then I like the plan. Negotiate him down for a few weeks and then put a team friendly contract in front of him a week before the draft and say, “think about it for a couple days, this is the best we can offer, we will have to tade you or make you play out your contract if you don’t sign it.” I’m down with that.

I could care less if Peters likes his deal

Good point, I guess I don’t either. I would rather they negotiate and come to an agreement on a fair price (say 9.5 – 10 mil), then Buffalo role the dice on an ultimatum though. But if that is what it comes to before the draft, then Buffalo could certainly handle the situation worse.

by kaisertown on Mar 22, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Maybin too. He ran 4.89 at 249lbs at the combine and 4.59 and 4.63 at 252lbs at his pro day. That’s more like it. He also had a 40" vertical, second only to Conor Barwin among all linemen. The other ability that I’ve seen talked about while reading up on him is his reaction to the snap. I have read that he has a lightning fast reaction and he is almost always the first player moving after the snap. Combine that with his explosive first step and you have a rare talent. If he’s available I hope we take him.

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by keuka121 on Mar 22, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bengals

I see them going after a WR after loosing TJ. Too much offense to make up for.

I would love to see Buffalo trade down a few spots in order to get an extra pick or two. Don’t see it happening but it would be ideal.

Why not Bobby April?

by nickdaniels on Mar 22, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see them going after a WR after loosing TJ. Too much offense to make up for.

They’re not taking a receiver #6 overall after giving Laveranues Coles $7M per season.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 22, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They also drafted Jerome Simpson in the second round and Andre Caldwell in the third round last year.

by kaisertown on Mar 22, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even though that combine 40 was pretty slow, Maybin actually had one of the couple fastest 10 yard splits of any of the defensive ends. I don’t remember what it was, but I think only Connor Barwin’s was faster.

by kaisertown on Mar 22, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope, he was faster than Barwin. The only guy faster was Clay Matthews.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 22, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suddenly Maybin is looking more attractive.

I think that the 10 yards split is the most important time for a DE.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 22, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As per usual, you are correct.

Maybin – 1.55
Barwin – 1.57
Brown – 1.58
English – 1.64

by kaisertown on Mar 22, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep – some serious speed at the position this year. Drooling commenced…

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 22, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mmmmmm........ ten yard splits.......

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 23, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian???

Do you think you can do a write up with a video on Connor Barwin?? I have never seen him in actual game situation. But man, you gotta love the 40 times he ran on pro-day….. 4.43, 4.45, 4.47 (twice i think). That is some serious giddy-up for a DE. Or have you done one on him already? I"m being too lazy too look…….LOL.

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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Mar 23, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We haven’t done anything on him yet, but it’s in the works.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 23, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DE or TE?

Please look at his ability to play both positions and what that means to teams like B-Lo that could use his help at either position…I know he wants the team that drafts him to choose a position and let him stick to it, but versatility is still a good thing…

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 23, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two-way players don’t exist in the NFL. Barwin was a mediocre college tight end, but a pretty dynamite college pass rusher. We’ll be looking at Barwin as a DE, and a DE only.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 23, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where's Orakpo?

any idea?

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by Kurupt on Mar 22, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gone before 11

so i wouldn’t worry too much about him

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 22, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I found it on a Yahoo Sports article that only listed those four as well as Clay Matthews and Clint Sintim. Chris Long ran a 1.53 at the combine last year and Derrick Harvey ran a 1.58 or 1.59. Man, do I wish we could have gone through with plan Sireric/Kurupt and drafted that guy last year.

I’ll try and google around and see if I can find Orakpo and some of the other DEs.

by kaisertown on Mar 22, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Barwin ran a 4.47 at his pro day

He is the fastest DE/OLB in this years crop

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by keysh67 on Mar 22, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can't see jackson jumping into the top 10

i mean it is possible, especially because i think he would be a perfect fit for any 34 team at DE, but i think that an outside rushing LB makes more of an impact in that scheme than anyone. I could see it happening just don’t think that it will.. i haven’t heard enough buzz about this guy to think that he will jump into the top 10, if it does happen though i won’t be all that suprised, i just don’t expect it to though. actually greenbay could take maybin or orakpo, and and san fran left w/ the other could leave us w/ none of those 3 de’s to go after, and that would probably just our luck so i can see it happening

by Shovel51 on Mar 22, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You are 1 for 1

So I’m hearing now that the Lions are negotiating with Stafford. Good start Brian!

I don’t recall from last year wen the Dolphins reached a deal with Long, but if the Lions sign Stafford before the draft, are the Rams able to start negotiating their pick, or does it all have to wait until the draft?

by south123 on Mar 22, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that they have to wait for the draft

Because Stafford cannot be officially signed until after he is drafted, but then again, since they would know that a deal is in place, I do not know what would stop them from starting negotiations. Just again they couldn’t sign that player until he is draft…. you know what, you just asked a great question.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 22, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, if Stafford signs early, the Rams can then begin negotiations.

The NFL keeps moving the draft later in the day, but if teams start locking up the first 2-4 picks each year and removing the suspense from the action, they’ll probably move it back up to earlier in the day.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 22, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, thanks.

I think I remember St. Louis last year said that they would wait until draft day to pick, maybe to keep the possibility for trades open up to the last day. I wonder if that will occur again this year.

I suppose it will take the fun out of mock drafting if by draft day half the first round is predetermined.

Actually, I think I would like that. It would give people more things to talk about if you could digest some of these picks instead of them coming at you every 5-10 minutes.

by south123 on Mar 22, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cant negotiate

The NFL does not allow the 2nd team picking to start negotiating if the first pick is signed. The rams tried to do that last year and were shot down, it does not make sense but that is the way it works per the NFL.

by billsfan69 on Mar 22, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To verify...

This is from last year when Long signed the week before the draft

ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reported on Tuesday that the St. Louis Rams, who hold the second pick in the NFL draft, were told today by the NFL management council that they do not have permission to begin negotiations with any player now that the Dolphins have signed Long. A league spokesman said there have been internal discussions to determine whether the Rams have the right to negotiate with a player or players.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 23, 2009 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a pretty BS ruling by the NFL. Why should the #1 team get a chance to sign their guy, but #2 can’t? I totally agree with not being able to negotiate when #1 is still up in the air, but Long was signed, sealed and delivered. STL should have had the chance to start negotiating…

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by Kurupt on Mar 23, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know that “BS” is the right term, but it’s definitely puzzling. Where’s the logic behind letting one team sign a pick, but not letting another do the same thing? It’s two different behaviors for two teams that will be signing rookies to extremely similar contracts. Makes no sense.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 23, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they’re trying to keep the suspence of the draft. But if that was the only reason, then they shouldn’t be alloud to negotiate with the first overall pick, should they?

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 23, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s correct…

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 23, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Few players of interest

Its interesting to me how few players of interest there are between 12 and 32. Mostly CB, WR, QB. There are a couple, obviously the LB’s and Pettigrew, maybe Ayers.

If you were the Bills, but you had the 12TH pick, and Maybin was gone, who would you choose then?

by south123 on Mar 22, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Where's Mack?

I’m kinda surprised that you don’t have him going in the first. I’d think that a team like Minisota or Pitsburg would jump on the oppertunity to have him.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 23, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am a huge CAL fan

and prior to the end of the CFB season, I would have said that A. Mack is the best Center in the draft, but IMO, I like Eric Wood as 1a and Mack 1b.

by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 23, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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