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Four starting roles yet to be filled in Buffalo


Chambers holding down fort at LG (buffalobills.com)

The 2009 NFL Draft is just over 33 days away, folks. In a little over a month, all of this pre-draft speculation - which we'll happily continue to provide in the meantime - will finally, mercifully, devolve into the real thing.

Until that time, we'll just need to keep plowing forward with mock drafts, rankings, player and positional arguments, and, of course, trying to iron out the best way to fill all of the Buffalo Bills' current roster holes. We'll have it all covered, but the best place to start is figuring out where the Bills need starters.

As of right now, we count up four players that, if things go well on draft day, shouldn't get too comfortable in the starting roles they currently (by default in some cases, by merit in others) hold down.

SLB Keith Ellison
With second-year pro Alvin Bowen returning from a season-ending knee injury and veteran free agent Pat Thomas on board, the Bills are beginning to recoup some of the linebacking depth they lost last season. But that doesn't mean that the team currently has a player that's worthy of the starting SAM spot on the roster. Several linebackers are viewed as immediate starters in this year's draft crop, which means that Ellison and anyone else currently in the "competition to start" group will be watching the draft with great interest.

LG Kirk Chambers
The veteran lineman was re-signed in March thanks to his steadiness and versatility, but I don't think anyone here is operating under the delusion that Chambers is a starting lineman at any position on the NFL level. Chambers has excellent value to the team because of his ability to pinch hit at a variety of positions, but if the Bills plan to take playoff-caliber strides offensively, they'll need a fortified offensive line to do so - and that line probably shouldn't include Chambers' name in a full-time starting capacity.

TE Derek Fine
A fourth-round pick in 2008, Fine missed the early portion of last season, but upon his return made good impressions as a blocker and as a short-area receiver. With Robert Royal out of the picture, the second-year pro currently has the inside track at the starting tight end job. There is a certain amount of upside to Fine's game, and he certainly fits the profile of what the Bills covet at the position, but there's one certain rookie tight end prospect that would immediately re-delegate Fine to "role player" status.

FB Corey McIntyre
Even though he was re-signed in late February, McIntyre was hardly stellar as a lead blocker last season. With the Bills likely to maintain their two-tight end looks in run formations and transition to more spread looks with their now-enviable receiver depth, the fullback is (once again) being slowly phased out of the Bills' offense. That helps McIntyre's cause. If a stud fullback prospect were to slip into the latter rounds of the draft, however, that could change quickly.

Names left off the list purposely
LT Jason Peters: Re-signing him remains the top priority, with a trade being merely a backup plan at this point. Obviously, if he's here, he's starting, and he's not making the list simply because of his apparently questionable future in Buffalo.

DE Chris Kelsay: Buffalo would like to limit the snaps he takes - with Aaron Schobel injured last season and little depth to help out, Kelsay was on the field far too often - but "limited reps" does not equal a non-starter. Kelsay is a virtual lock to be lining up at left end on the Bills' first defensive series in 2009.

DT Kyle Williams: There are a few fans out there who think that adding a beefy interior run-stuffer is a good idea - and I'm right there with you. But that new guy, even if it's first-round prospect B.J. Raji, wouldn't be a starter in Buffalo (just as a rookie defensive end wouldn't). Williams is entrenched as a starter for the foreseeable future.

SS Bryan Scott: Dependable, tough and unspectacular, Scott probably doesn't need to worry about losing a starting role. He and Donte Whitner form a solid enough safety duo; Whitner handles his various coverage responsibilities well, while Scott plays in the box (quite well versus the run, I might add) and has shown an ability to be effective covering top-flight tight ends one-on-one as well. But if there's one thing Buffalo's defense lacks, it's a bona fide playmaker. If the Bills stumble across a safety prospect that can intercept some passes in rounds three to five, it'll be Scott that loses reps.

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I'f be fine with Fine at TE

But the other positions all need upgrades. I don’t want Ellisson as a starter, abut unless we draft a LB in the first round, I see him staying as a starter. Chambers could be a quality starter at LG, but I’d much rather have him in the deth chart. He’s a great sub that can play all positions except centre. He’s more valuable to us as a sub. As for FB, I know OBD is planning on phasing out the FB, but I would still love to draft a guy like Quinn Johnson to lead block for Marshawn and Fred.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 23, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chambers

I’m no Ron from NM – but when I saw Chambers on the field I didn’t see a lot of mistakes. I know that he didn’t get a whole lot of work at guard but I thought he played above average at tackle when filling in.

I guess I am just wondering why you feel that he isn’t good enough to start. I didn’t see him messing up a lot – but he may have been unspectacular otherwise – just want a little more info….

as for the FB position – in my eyes – we don’t even have one.

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by J2 on Mar 23, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I trust Ron’s views on Chambers (see here), but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t give us MORE value as our top reserve. I’d rather have a guy that can be between above average and dominant at left guard (it’s pretty important, considering how badly Dockery’s crap play effected Peters last year) as opposed to a guy that “doesn’t screw up”. Those types of players (“doesn’t screw up” guys) are best left as reserves.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 23, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed – don’t get me wrong – I’m not pining for him to be starting there – but there are definately a few positions I’d rather them address first

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by J2 on Mar 23, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as resevers go, Chambers is great.

I too think he serves the Bills best as a reserve. His versatility is astounding, seeing how he can play every position except centre (and thats only because we haven’t tried him there yet). I’d much rather have Chambers being able to fill in a hole at any time then him being stuck in one and unable to use his versatility when most needed.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 23, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stud FB Prospect?

Is there such a thing? You should be able to pick up a FB without any problems the way teams phase them out now. Drafting a FB is a waste of a pick, even in the 7th.

And based on this post:http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/3/15/797353/offensive-line-review-kirk I think Chambers is an acceptable option at guard (and I’m interested in how Dockery graded out as well).

by Pistol on Mar 23, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Drafting a FB is a waste of a pick, even in the 7th.

Agree with the sentiment, not with the rule.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 23, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drafting a FB is a waste of a pick, even in the 7th.

I’m going to have to disagree. In general, yes FB’s are almost a waist of a draft pick, but every once in a while theres that one kid that can really effect your team, and he is worth that draft pic.

Case in point: LeRon McClain of the Ravens. Suplemental pick in the 5th or 6th round a few years ago, not only has he proven himself a dominant lead blocker, but he is also their power running game. The kid had 902 yards rushing last season, averagng just over 56 yards per game. I would not call that a waist of a pick.

And call me crazy, but I see the same kind of potential in Quinn Johnson this year. Do I think he’ll get the same kind of yards as McClain, no because the Bills would use him differently. But would he make a large impact on this team, absolutly!. I say he’s worth a 6th rounder.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 23, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quinn Johnson

Isn’t he stone-handed? I suspect the Bills would prefer a FB with at least decent receiving skills.

by patamunzo on Mar 24, 2009 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, he cauht the ball very well at the Senior Bowl and the Combine.

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by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree, drafting a guy like Quinn Johnson in the 6th - MAKES A LOT OF SENSE!!

This kid is a real mauler, he loves contact and he is a very powerful runner. I loved this guy coming out of LSU and then last year in the Chick-fil-A bowl he was incredible and then again in the senior bowl he did incredibly well, especially in the passing game. There is no way this guy goes undrafted and he would have an immediate impact in a Bills uniform.

Check out this video! He won’t be denied!

Interview: Really grounded kid, love his attitude!

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by keysh67 on Mar 24, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About fullback

I wasn’t aware that fullback wasn’t ever NOT mia with this team. When we’re pining for Carwell Gardner and Jaime Mueller, something’s wrong!

“Bialystock and Bloom” at one “365” seems to think McIntyre was a valuabel resigning and should contribute heavily. Funny water over there lately.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 23, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When we’re pining for Carwell Gardner and Jaime Mueller, something’s wrong!

Honestly, how big a part of those offenses were those guys? Both could carry the ball, at least. McIntyre doesn’t give us that.

Once in a great, great while, I miss Sam Gash. He was fun.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 23, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The team would never admit to it but...

I think the FB position is sorely missed in Buffalo. Everything is cyclical, though the Bills seem to be stuck halfway between yay and nay.

Last year the team really needed someone to dirty the line up before Lynch hit the hole. I don’t want Pettigrew drafted and brought in to fill the void of a pseudo-FB/TE, no matter how adept he is at blocking.

This is extreme and not a truly accurate example but you might as well draft Quinn Johnson at 11 if you’re looking for a guy who can block the snot out of people, and cause havoc in the red zone. I hate wasted talent.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 23, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Larry Centers, then again, he was more like a receiving FB out of the back field more than a blocker

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by WABillsfan on Mar 23, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Chambers has to be our top reserve, not a starter.

Ellison- could be the opening day starter, but I’d like to see us draft someone to compete with him. Not sure what we have in Bowen and Pat Thomas is just depth/training camp fodder IMO.

Fine- seems like he has talent, but give me Pettigrew instead and this offense goes up another notch.

by Rob_Bills on Mar 23, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We need a mroe serious threat at TE but I do think if we have to ignore one position that Fine could continue to develop and maybe even post big numbers this year with a healthy season and TO/Evans opening things up for him.

Ellison needs to be replaced and soon.

I’m tired of this team ignoring FB.

I say make the trade for Brian Waters and re-sign Jason Peters and watch Trent Edwards stay healthy for a full year.

Bryan Scott is a good safety starter and I see no need to replace him, he is certainly not a weakness in our lineup and in fact, I think he is extremely useful. Same sentiment about Kyle Williams, if we draft BJ Raji its to rotate and learn form Stroud, not supplant Williams.

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by poz on Mar 23, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brian I like the list, but i think that if we take a DE at 11 kelsay should be a little concerned because...

of the money he currently makes, and the fact that denney actually had a more productive year this past year, and didn’t come close to getting the snaps kelsay did. So although i doubt the bills would cut him (he’s a captain, and a veteran guy) i definately think that it’s something that should be considered if we take a top flight pass rusher at 11. Because i think that denney is capable of doing just as much if not more than kelsay across from schobel and at a much cheaper price. Hell that would free up much needed money to keep peters happy

by Shovel51 on Mar 23, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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