QB prospects key to Bills at #11
Ed. Note, by Brian Galliford: Bumped from the FanPosts. It's a couple of days old, so you may have read it, but it's an important point to note. The Buffalo Bills should have some opportunities to acquire more draft picks this April, and MARVelous makes many great points in pleading with the Bills to do so.
With the NFL Draft just 30 days away, we are starting to really see this event shaping up as Pro Day information is flying around the Internet, with the usual "misinformation" from various sources trying to put "red flags" on certain guys in hopes they will fall to them. Most notably this year, the three top quarterbacks - Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman - all have been under the microscope. Mike Mayock has let it be known that Stafford's "inconsistencies" are the reason he would stay away from him with the top pick. The knock on Sanchez is that he only has 15 career starts and is not seasoned enough to be worthy of a Top 10 selection. Then there is Kansas State's Freeman, who reminds people of Daunte Culpepper with his physical attributes (6'5", 249 pounds), but you will find more mixed reviews about this guy than any QB considered a first round pick in the draft. Some talent evaluators are extremely high on his athleticism, arm strength, durability and lack of character concerns with no off-field issues. However, you'll find just as many scouts that criticize him for his inconsistency, failure to play big in big games, and his overall lack of vision from the pocket as he forces way too many throws.
Stafford or Sanchez is destined to be a Top 10 selection with the Lions, Jaguars, and 49ers all in need of a QB; some would say the Rams and possibly Seattle could use one too. Unless San Francisco drafts a second quarterback with their tenth overall selection, jockeying for position for Freeman and possibly Stafford or Sanchez will begin at that point.. Here is what Mike Lombardi stated in his notes on Monday in the National Football Post.:
If I’m working with Buffalo or Denver, I’m praying Sanchez goes to Jacksonville at seven and I can sell off the pick to all the Freeman lovers.
If Stafford and Sanchez are gone at #11, undoubtedly those teams that love Freeman might want to jump up and get him, much like Denver did for Jay Cutler in 2006. I know that this current regime under Dick Jauron hasn't traded out of its spot yet because they target guys and love getting "their" guy, and maybe the offer just hasn't been right. But, if Buffalo wants to keep improving the overall talent of its roster, the best way to do that is by maximizing their trade opportunities in the draft.
Trading Willis McGahee and Takeo Spikes to acquire extra draft picks served the Bills well in recent years. With our organization not being able to buy the high priced free agents every year, acquiring extra draft picks allows a small-market team like Buffalo to increase the number of players from the draft that will pan out. The draft is an inexact science as we have seen. Thus, increasing your number of draft picks, especially in rounds 1-5, greatly enhances the opportunities to find players that will pan out and fit your system like you had hoped.
We've already seen Donte Whitner, John McCargo, and J.P. Losman as top tier guys that didn't pan out. That happens. But instead of just saying "well that guy didn't work; that sucks" they should try to acquire more picks, add talent at those positions to weed out the weaker players. The extra third-round picks we have acquired in recent years allowed us to acquire Trent Edwards in 2007 and trade for Marcus Stroud in 2008 - two players that you could argue are the most important acquisitions this front office has made since 2006 - and both of them likely would not have happened if we didn't have the extra arsenal of draft picks to do it. Draft picks are to small market teams what an extra $20 million in the bank account does for big market players that can supplement failed draft picks with experienced players who have shown the ability to produce.
Of course, it takes two to tango, as they say, and we'll never know exactly what the Bills have been offered in the past. But, this year, picking at #11, the Bills should look at every opportunity to trade out if the Jets, Bears, Bucs, or Lions at 17-20 come calling about Freeman or if the top two quarterbacks begin to slide. It would be a phenomenal way to add value to this organization. Moving up from 17-20 would cost those teams their first round selection, a third round pick and possibly a third pick somewhere between rounds five and seven.
This is discussed every year. Every fan wants their team to hose another team, still get the player they want, and acquire extra picks. But this year smells of 2006, when the team reached on Whitner. If the team reaches on a guy again this year, the franchise cannot afford that kind of a hit. So if Jauron and the "inner circle" are unsure about the value at #11 and the exact player they should take, hopefully a team like Tampa will be calling so Buffalo doesn't have to gamble on a guy that may end up making as few big plays as Whitner has done over his three years in a Bills uniform. Just a thought. Either way, hopefully this organization will know what to do when their time on the clock comes, as they have plenty of experience picking in the 8-13 range the last few seasons.
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The only problem I have with the scenario is if Jax does take Sanchez at #8, why wouldn’t teams be beating down Green Bay’s door for the #9 pick? With the 49ers having a QB need, couldn’t they just take Freeman at #10, and wouldn’t teams just want to jump ahead of them?
The 49ers pick is the one that is crucial in the Bills potentially trading down. If they bypass a QB, then the Bills can look to move their pick to a team in need of a QB (not the Jets).
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by Kurupt on Mar 24, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point, and to add
why would teams be beating our door down at 11, because when teams trade up they want to jump in front of a team that they feel will take the guy they covet, and looking at the draft order after the 9ers at 10 the next team that would need a qb are the jets at 17 and the bears at 18.
Just to add i really don’t think freeman or sanchez are top 10 qb’s and although they may be there in this draft, i have a really hard time thinking that the jags will spend the 9th overall pick on a qb when they have DAVID GARRARD and other more important needs. I could see the 9ers taking a qb, and maybe sanchez would be a good fit there being a west coast guy and all, but i can’t see singletary taking a qb w/ the OL and DL that may be on the board. Don’t forget the 9ers finished the season w/ shaun hill who is 7-3 as a starter which may make them more willing to wait until next year when the qb draft class is much deeper, and much more talented.
by Shovel51 on Mar 26, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither do I think Sanchez or Freeman is top 10 worthy
But the QB pool this year is really really really shallow compared to other years in top 64 pick talent. Thats why I think people with QB issues will overpay to grab one of them early.
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by WABillsfan on Mar 26, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see
your point….but I just don’t see how more than 2 QB’s will be gone before our pick. Detroit may not even take one, and then if Jax or SF do we’re still fine. Plus taking a QB at 9 compared to 11 is probably worth at least a few million dollars in contract…. I think these QB’s are going to fall.
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by MARVelous on Mar 24, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i like your post. i agree. i mean, i think whitner has been a disappointment. i don’t want the bills to pick a player they are not sure of. i also think neither of the qb’s in this draft are worthy of being a top ten selection. they may all fall. who knows. i think i am more in favor of moving up and selecting an impact player like curry.
by jzoom45 on Mar 24, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They were so sure of Whitner they didn't even trade down.
They wanted him.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 24, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's worked out well!
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by Kurupt on Mar 24, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
The Bills get too attached to certain players (or at least it seems that way) and will ‘overdraft’ someone instead of sitting back. That’s one of the things the Pats do well…. they just sit back and wait for players to fall to them. And if they don’t like where they are they just move down for more picks, or 1s next year.
If you really wanted to you could argue that Whitner was a decent pick where he went. But the Bills have to be much better than the other teams if they want to be better than them. They can’t just make decent picks, they have to make a collection of great picks
They were criticized for taking McCargo, but traded up because he was one of the few that ‘fit the system’ and then he’s outplayed by Kyle Williams who was taken many rounds later.
That’s the key to me….. the draft is a crap shoot so the more picks that you have the more opportunities you have to be successful.
by Pistol on Mar 26, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess
what I forgot to include here is that in 2007 it WAS DEAD clear a RB was needed and Lynch obviously was a highly talented back….In 2008 it was DEAD Clear we needed a CB and the DB pool was real talented…..
in 2006 it was pretty clear we needed a DT, but we went SS….
in 2009 it’s clear we need a LB, unless they see Pat Thomas as a starter. But I"M not sure any of the USC guys are good picks at 11…..so I think with the uncertainity of the USC LB’s, and the fact that maybe OBD isn’t that high on any of the DE’s….I think the choice should be Pettigrew or Trade Down. Pettigrew offers a reliable, sound draft pick that fills a need….
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by MARVelous on Mar 24, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In 2006 we needed both.
SS and DT. We got a SS and DT.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 24, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but the talent
pool was thicket at DT….. Ngata, Bunkley, McCargo compared to Whitner, Bullocks or Harper…..
It’s just very clear to me this year that whatever our pick is at #11, we will be drafting on potential like we did with Whitner and that scares the crap out of me….McKelvin you could argue was potential too but he played big in big games and had electric playmaking ability…..
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by MARVelous on Mar 24, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We got two of our top three at both positions.
You can’t argue with the way they drafted. You can argue that they drafted the wrong guys but that’s neither here nor there.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 24, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
i can argue the way they drafted, that’s exactly what I’m arguing
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by MARVelous on Mar 24, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They got one of their top three guys at both positions.
After McCargo no DT was taken until the third round which is why they traded back up. They needed to get the last top-flight DT on their board.
As for safety, they had Whitner as their number one guy and they got him because they thought he might be gone or wouldn’t be able to trade back up. They may have thought the Lions would take him at 9.
It’s not an issue of them not filling needs. They addressed two big needs with two first round picks. Neither has panned out so we trash them. The thinking was sound, though.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 24, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah
I don’t think so…..the thinking was hey let’s get that big time safety and we’ll fill out the team from their. We’ll extend Schobel and Kelsay and we have Triplett and Kyle Williams and now McCargo. But you need the front 7 before you can have the safety so it was really counterintuitive to try and build a team from the back end. Ngata was the run stuffer, and Bunkley was best suited for our Tampa 2. So it was really poor talent evaluation of their own talent and then the draft talent as well.
They filled needs, but they weren’t in a position to nab a top end talent like they were in 2007 2008. #2 RB, #1 CB. In 2006 they took a guy who was a late 1st round pick, and they had no front 7 with Spikes and Fletcher to be gone in the next 2 years.
I don’t want to trash it just because they didn’t pan out, what I’m saying is that the position they were in 2006, is SHAPING UP to be EXACTLY what we’re going to see in 2009 and I hope to God they learn from their mistakes
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by MARVelous on Mar 24, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OBD got scared
when the Raiders took Michael Huff, who was the most highly touted safety in the draft. They were afraid that Whitner wouldn’t be there if they ended up trading downs o they went with the pick.
by gatornation on Mar 26, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MARV is right
At the time, there were only 2 DTs that were considered 1st rounders. Because Marv (the GM, not the editor) fell in love with Whitner and the idea of making a “surprising” pick that will knock the socks off (apparently, the Bills thought it was a secret that a few other teams were holding (they probably were wrong) and we foolishly passed on Ngata. Since there were only 2 DT’s (Bunkley was the other) that were 1st round grades, we then panicked and traded a ton to get McCargo (even though he wasn’t worth a 1st round pick). I think the Bills could possibly have done the same thing (move up to the 1st round) and picked Whitner — so, imagine that — Ngata and Whitner (rather than Whitner and McCargo).
by labill on Mar 26, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most people had McCargo as a first round grade.
He was far and away better than the 4th DT prospect.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 26, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I recall that most had McCargo as a 2nd to 4th rounder. I remember that Kiper had him as a 4th rounder and was flabbergasted that Buffalo traded up for him. It was true that there weren’t any more DTs after the first 2 that were highly regarded.
by labill on Mar 26, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having watching McCargo a ton here in Raleigh, I was shocked at the pick as even the most ardent NC State fans that I knew who saw him week in and week out thought he was 2nd-3rd round at best.
He really was a product of having substantial talent around him (Mario williams, Manny lawson, etc.) and timing in that the Bills needed a DT and must have seen something in him that made them think he was going to go early, but from what I recall, pretty much everyone thought we made a reach here.
by sabre74kkn on Mar 26, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was still head and shoulders above the 4th DT.
They didn’t want to miss out on him.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 26, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the bills deffence, the next DT wasn't picked until like the 5th round.
So every thought that he was the best DT available. Problem is that only Buffalo thought he was a first round talent worth trading up for. So yeah, it was a mistake to draft him in the first.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 26, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ Josh Freeman being on the top 3.........
please………
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 24, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
of QB's I mean
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 24, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is though, which shows how BAD this year's QB crop really is!
I honestly think that the 49ers WILL NOT draft a QB this year. Singletary has the confidence of his ownership, has been given a 3 year deal, and he actually LIKES Shawn Hill. I fully expect them to patch holes on the oline, wr, or defensive front 7 before they do anything regarding a QB. Next years crop with McCoy and Bradford and some of the 2nd tier guys will be MUCH better for getting a QB.
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by WABillsfan on Mar 24, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why?
He’s got a cannon, athletic, 3 years of starting in a pro style offense? Who are the QB’s that should be ahead of Freeman as the 3rd best?
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by MARVelous on Mar 24, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Pat White before I took Freeman......
He’s a Boller remix……huge arm…….great “measureable’s” all the Bells and Whistles…….
Give me a guy who’s been productive and a winner any day……….even if he doesnt have the great measureables.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 24, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
i agree, but Freeman is your typical NFL talent evaluator’s dream. I’ll take the productivity over the measurables any day as well. Just look at JP Losman
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by MARVelous on Mar 24, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with all the first round talent that have been Busts over the last 10-15 years.......i'll take my chances with my own eyes
lol :)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 24, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ken Dorsey was a winner in college.
Granted, I like Pat White more than I ever liked him, but he was a winner. Now look how great Dorsey turned out.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 26, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conversely, Peyton Manning was seen as a choker who couldn’t win the big game.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 26, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dorsey was also on arguably the best team in college football history. Anyone could look good when you have Andre Johnson and Jeremy Shockey to throw to and Clinton Portis, Frank Gore, and Willis McGahee all behind you (not to mention their stacked defense led by safety and kick returner Ed Reed)
by J.D on Mar 26, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 26, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100% with the logic!
Trading down this year will be possible because of the QB situation but maybe also because of the LT situation (ie if Andre smith falls to #11) or if Crabtree falls to #11. Perfect situation this year to improve our bounty and fill a lot of needs.
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by keysh67 on Mar 24, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i concur
With Kurupt, no way can we trade with the hated jets to give them a franchise qb. that being said, anyone else who offers us a great deal should be considered.
by Stabby Mcshank on Mar 24, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only way we trade with the jets is by soaking them
so a deal makes sense
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by keysh67 on Mar 24, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which may be possible
given their desperation for a QB. I think Freeman will take several years to develop therefore the Jets would be foolish to trade picks.
by gatornation on Mar 26, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As an addition to this post
Brian Orakpo had his pro day yesterday and by most accounts it was good. However, the spin has already started by teams saying the workout wasn’t that good and that Orakpo has “bad football skills” and takes 10% of the plays off. I have never been high on Orakpo but I find it funny how pro-day opinions can vary that much. It is so easy to see teams starting the spin machine.
by gatornation on Mar 26, 2009 8:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We have a QB
I really think we could have better use of our picks to fill our needs now. We could get a QB like Bomar from Sam Houston St. in the 4th or 5th round and possibility develop him. For those who do not know, Bomar was the QB at Oklahoma who got booted from the program a couple years ago. If he knows this is the only chance he may have to get in the NFL he should be a good guy.
Should we go after Jason Taylor with a 2 year deal? We need a DE now and even if we draft one more than likely he will need time to adjust to the NFL game.
Also we should trade our 1st round pick with Philedelphia for their 1st – 21st overall and 2nd round or 3rd round pick. With this trade we can get the TE in the 1st round and then be able to get other talent with the other 3 picks left.
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by Deadpool71 on Mar 26, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really think we could have better use of our picks to fill our needs now. We could get a QB like Bomar from Sam Houston St. in the 4th or 5th round and possibility develop him. For those who do not know, Bomar was the QB at Oklahoma who got booted from the program a couple years ago. If he knows this is the only chance he may have to get in the NFL he should be a good guy.
I think you’re under the impression that this article about the Bills drafting a quarterback. It’s not.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 26, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should give Edwards a chance this season
If Edwards flounders and fails…… then draft a QB next year. The top 3 QB’s will be more talented then this years crop.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Mar 26, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, thats why I keep telling people the 49ers will NOT take a QB this year
Singletary is on the record stating that he likes Shaun Hill and thinks he can be a good starter. He has the 49ers FO behind him for at least 3 seasons and he can take the long view in NFL terms this year. He will wait to next year when the QB class will be much better and more talented. The funny thing is that Pat White lucked out in being in this years QB class, he will go a lot higher than expected because of the lack of decent QB options out there.
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by WABillsfan on Mar 26, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is how I feel about the TE position. I have my eyes on Gresham in a Bills uniform for twenty-ten.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 26, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay we still need alot
So what do you think DE or LB? Trade down or stay pat?
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by Deadpool71 on Mar 26, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They should trade down, if able. Their doing so is an entirely different beast.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 26, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are we supposed to believe that Jacksonville has interest in Sanchez? They just gave Garrard a huge contract extionsion a year ago and his contract has a lot of guarantees over the next few seasons. I can’t imagine going QB with the 8th pick is a good financial move for them, especially when they have a roster with enough talent to turns things around pretty quick with a good draft.
by kaisertown on Mar 26, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No QBs taken in the Top 11 Picks
There isn’t a QB worthy of being picked in the top 11 so I doubt there will a QB taken. Come on, the draft is about taking the best players available; this year there are no QBs worthy.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 26, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
seahawks, rams, jabs, 49ers
all have outside chances of taking a QB….i’d bet my salary one is gone in top 10
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by MARVelous on Mar 26, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seahawks just picked Stafford at Mocking the Draft....
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 26, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really have to disagree with one thing
Whitner could have easily been had later, but I completely disagree that he “didn’t pan out”…aside from Schobel, who has been better on our defense over the last three years? He’s a great team leader and one of the most feared hitters in the AFC. He’s a phenomenal player who I wouldn’t trade for anybody
by Hybrid1486 on Mar 26, 2009 7:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Check out Brian's article on Whitner...
The fact is he has not been that great. Here’s the link. I really hope he proves you right because I want to root for him.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 26, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really want to root for Whitner
I think the main problem is we all had higher expectations than what he can deliver. I mean he is a great leader, even taking James Hardy into his home last year after he learned that the kid had the same father issues as he did growing up. And despite the fact that he is in no way a game changer, when you look at his tackling, in numbers and effect, you do realize that he does a lot of good for our D. I think what really needs to happen for Donté to be sucessful is for him to play one position, something that hasn’t happened yet in his carrerr. The coaching staff needs to pick one spot for him and leave him there. I’d really like to see what is play would look like if that happened
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 26, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He took McKelvin in
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by Kurupt on Mar 26, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he did take to McKelvin as a tudor
But Hardy also spent most of the season living at Whitner’s house. I remember reading like 3 different articals on it on BB.com last year during training camp and one again when Hardy was put on IR.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 26, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, he took McKelvin in. In to his house. Hardy did not live with him. I’m pretty sure Hardy is either married, or lives with his long time girlfriend, and child.
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by Kurupt on Mar 26, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was positive it was James Hardy
But I just looked it up, and you are right. But I do remember a video on BB.com about Whitner taking Hardy under his wings because they had simular issues with their fathers (they were non existant in their lives). Maybe he just guided the kid and Hardy didn’t live with Whitner, I may have mixed up that part, but I do remember the vedio.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 26, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, no problem.
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by Kurupt on Mar 27, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree here. Whitner’s not a bad football player. His versatility allows us do do a lot of different things defensively. I just don’t think he’s a game-changer; not being a game-changer doesn’t make you a bad player, though.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 26, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aside from Schobel, who has been better on our defense over the last three years?
Is this supposed to be a compliment?
I would say McGee has been better than Whitner, and probably Kyle Williams too.
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by Kurupt on Mar 26, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming you didn’t have to play all three years than you could maybe throw Greer, Stroud, Poz and Mitchell onto that list too. Whitner hasn’t been all that bad or anything, but he certainly doesn’t stand out as one of the better players on the defense.
by kaisertown on Mar 26, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of my favorite draft lines of all time
Ravens trade 2 3rd round picks to Buffalo for Willis McGahee
The next year, the Bills trade one of those third round picks for Marcus Stroud
In the draft, the Jaguars trade that third round pick to Baltimore to move up to #8 Overall.
Ravens take LB Tavares Gooden with a pick via Jacksonville via Buffalo via Baltimore
by math_geek on Mar 27, 2009 12:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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