Mock Draft 2.0
by MattRichWarren on Mar 25, 2009 12:11 PM EDT
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PrintAdmittedly, I don't watch much college football. This time of year, though, mocks are popular. The first mock draft I did, seen here, was pre-free agency and now that we have signed some guys I feel the need to alter my original mock so I don't look ridiculous.
Guys whose 2008 spots I decided to fill due to lack of performance or leaving town:
- DE Chris Kelsay
- OLB Angelo Crowell - UFA
- C Melvin Fowler - UFA
- C Duke Preston - UFA
- TE Robert Royal - Cut
- OG Derrick Dockery - Cut (released since original mock)
Round 1: Clay Matthews, OLB, USC
From my first mock: "I really, really waffled between taking a LB and DE here. Which could have the greater impact this year? Is Chris Ellis capable of stepping up and delaying the need for immediate DE help?" I went with the DE but today I am leaning towards LB. I took Clay Matthews in the second round of my previous mock but he has shot all the way up my board to the first round pick. He has good speed and athleticism. He has a good drive and is a motor kind of guy, just what OBD likes. Aaron Curry falling is pure hysteria but if he is there he goes before Curry. Previous Mock: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
Round 2: Max Unger, C/OG, Oregon
The first guy I wanted to pick in my first mock was Unger but I went with Matthews in the end because I was OK waiting to address Center. Now we have a shiny new center in Geoff Hangartner but don't have an OG after Derrick Dockery was cut. I'll take Unger here and leave DE to the third round. Unger is athletic and smart and if he falls to the Bills pick they should make him their new starting LG. Previous Mock: Clay Matthews, OLB, USC
Round 3: Phillip Hunt, DE, Houston
I've waited long enough. It's time to address the pass rush. Chris Ellis should be able to step in and help out the team this year. With any luck, so can Hunt. His logn arms help him keep tackles off of him and that will only improve in an NFL weight program. He has great speed of the edge and has a high motor. I also like everything he says and his attitude. Even if it's only on passing situations, Hunt could contribute in year 1. Previous Mock: Eric Wood, C, Louisville
Round 4: Cornelius Ingram, TE, Florida
The addition of T.O. puts the immediate need for a field-stretching TE back a few notches. As many of you know Travis Beckum has become my favorite TE prospect so if he is available at pick number 4, awesome. I don't anticipate it and go with Ingram instead. Ingram was a late first-round, early second-round prospect before going back to Florida. He tore his knee up before the season started and somehow has dropped considerably because of that. He is very raw and hasn't blocked much. He has only played TE for a few years. He would not be coming here to start year 1. He would develop over the course of this year and be a weapon to replace T.O.'s production in 2010 while getting some playing time in 2009. Ingram would represent great value in the 4th round. Previous Mock: Shawn Nelson, TE, Southern Miss.
Round 5: Ray Feinga, OG, BYU
We still need interior depth. I don't think Feinga would be pushing Unger or Butler for their starting job but he could come in and serve as great depth. If When Brad Butler gets hurt Feinga could come in and be solid. He had an impressive Shrine Game week of practice and is great at pass blocking. A hamstring pull at the Combine and Pro Day could hurt his draft stock. Previous Mock: Randy Phillips, S, Miami (FL)
Round 6: Roy Miller, DT, Texas
Miller was named Fiesta Bowl outstanding defensive player. He's known for his tenacity and routinely makes plays on effort more than talent. He is strong and known as a run stuffer more than a quick DT. He could contribute on special teams right away as he works into the lineup. He's a big dude and is a solid developmental prospect. Previous Mock: Brett Helms, C, LSU
Round 7: Zach Potter, DE, Nebraska
With the re-signing of Corey McIntyre I took Fiammetta off my board. The Bills seem to be phasing out FB in favor of Lynch and Jackson in the backfield together or some three WR sets. They will probably still bring in a FB but it will be an undrafted free agent. With that in mind I'm taking a flier on one year starter and special teams contributor Zach Potter. His 10 yard split was 1.61 at the combine and his name is climbing draft boards into the 7th and potentially the 6th round. Previous Mock: Tony Fiammetta, FB, Syracuse
Conclusion:
You may have noticed the pattern of drafting lots of linemen. That is purposeful. Matthews and Unger would be immediate starters and upgrade our Defensive Front 7 and O Line, giving us legitimate starters at every position (well, maybe Kelsay/Denney don't count). Adding Ingram gives us good depth at TE and the addition of Hunt with the maturation of Ellis should provide us an upgrade at DE with both picks potentially contributing this year.
I am comfortable with Bryan Scott and Donte Whitner starting at safety and George Wilson and Ko Simpson backing them up. It would certainly be a possibility to add someone to the safety corps to develop behind or supplant Scott or replace Whitner in a year if he doesn't work out. I am good with our running backs, QB situation and receivers for the time being.
What do you think?
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Great job Matt!!!
I was working on doing the same thing. My first 4 rounds are Matthews, Wood/Unger, Beckum, and Hunt. The bottom of your draft is probably more realistic than mine because I can’t give up on drafting a FB and QB :-)
Don’t sweat the petty things. Don’t pet the sweaty things.
Nice draft
I fills pretty much all our major needs. I wouldn’t necessarily do it the same way, but this would be great for us.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 25, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, I agree. But, I think the idea here is to
put together a mock more like what OBD might actually do rather than what Matt would do personally.
Don’t sweat the petty things. Don’t pet the sweaty things.
Agreed
Which is why I like his draft.
I would draft a DE in the first, but I don’t think that OBD holds such a big priority on a new DE, which is why I think they’ll go LB. So Mathews is a great pic.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 25, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
We drafted Ellis last year.
I gotta think he is capable of stepping in and doing something for us this year. Without Ellis last year DE is the number 1 pick and Ellison holds down the fort at SLB.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 25, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I was pretty harsh on Ellis last year. It drove me crazy to hear comments from the coaching staff that he needed to be prodded into working harder. I thought, “Who in the hell does Ellis think he is?”
Since then, I backtracked a little. I always believed that the greatest imrovement in a player comes between year one and two. So, I’m holding out some hope that the dude grows up a little, and has a successful off-season.
But now, I’m going to backtrack on my backtrack a litte. Chris Brown gave up a list of attendees for offseason program right here –
Where is his name?
Good point...
There are 41 guys there…. Another 40 not there. I don’t see it as a huge deal yet if he comes into OTAs and is in shape then. Should he be there? yes. Is it necessary? no. Would I like him to be? yes.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 25, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I approve of your strategy
I’d prefer Robinson over Unger and then a true center later, but I definitely like the emphasis on the lines. All in all, a solid mock.
upon more research
i know i have stated i would love any of the 3 LB’s from USC at #11. but looking more at the players in depth Mathews was really a one year wonder with one heck of a combine workout. He was a walk on that didn’t start until midway through his senior year. Right now he looks for starters like a one dimensional player, being a pass rusher on passing downs. If that is that the bills are looking for then great pick. But at 11 I would want hopefully more of an every down impact player.
i'm
sick of this situational stuff. BOTTOM LINE is I want good football players. Guys that “get it” can make plays and don’t have to have their hand held. I blame the coaching staff partly too. Why bench McKelvin for an injured McGee last year? Why give Hardy SO FEW opportunities? I think the coaches handling of Rookies is piss-poor. You have to throw them in the fire. The only reason they don’t is cuz vet players have severe senority in the NFL where the lifespan of a player is short, and they have to be on the field to make plays and increase their potential dollar earnings. The fact of the matter is, these guys need to play. Ellis better play A LOT this year or his pick was completely worthless.
MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens
What if Ellis doesn’t play a lot this year? Whose fault is it? Is it the team’s fault for drafting a dud, and not playing him because he is a dud, or is it the player’s fault for being a dud?
Right now, I’m blaming Ellis himself. He has the tools to be a decent football player. It’ll be interesting (and maybe disappointing) to see what he does with his talent over the next year.
both
but if he is a dud, seriously they should have A REALLY good idea after seeing him for a year up close and personal….so go draft another DE this year….you always keep stock piling positions, especially the OL and DL…..especially when your starting DE’s are overpaid, over hyped, over the hill pieces of garbage
MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens
MARVelous
always tells it like it is. No holding back, no sugarcoating; just frank and to the point. I love it!
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
Why give Hardy SO FEW opportunities?
Seriously? Hardy got as many plays in the preseason as anyone on the roster (except maybe some offensive lineman). He had how many catches? Hardy actually started the first few games of the season. What exactly did he do in those early games? He was given EVERY opportunity to earn playing time this year and failed EVERY time. Hardy earned his way off the field and there is now way you can blame the coaches for his complete lack of impact.
I think the coaches handling of Rookies is piss-poor. You have to throw them in the fire.
Yeah, because the coaches never do that. Too bad that Derek Fine, Lynch, Poz, Edwards, Whitner, Ko Simpson, Kyle Williams, Keith Ellison and Brad Butler didn’t start or get starters minutes as rookies or we might not know if they “get it”. These coaches have done a fine job of putting their best players on the field. It’s one of the few things that you can’t really fault them for.
How can you assume that Ellis wasn’t on the field because of some physocoligical thing with the coahces? He was a ghost in the preseason and did play a little towards the end of the year and was still anything but noticeable. If Ellis would have earned playing time during practices, then Ellis would have been on the field on sundays.
I like the top three...
I’d love it even more if Buffalo could slide down a few spots in the first, get an extra pick, and still get Matthews.
I’m not crazy about the TE pick. I’d rather see a DT like Sammie Lee Hill, or Vance Walker there.
I do like the theme of drafting along the lines though. Five guys out of seven sounds about right to me…
I love it krytime...
never fail to get the trade down in there. :-)
I think we need to add a playmaker there especially if we phase out FB. We will potentially be going with more two TE sets so I want Fine on one side and someone else on the other.
As for the DT, maybe McCargo shows up. Maybe he doesn’t. I think where they address DT will tell you what they think about McCargo. If it’s in the 4th, he is a goner. If it’s in the 6th like I have, expect McCargo to get a decent shot.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 25, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t help it with the trade down talk. I know it sounds like a broken record, but I’m just gosh darn stubborn on it.
I think the need for another receiving TE hinges on what formations they are going to use. My guess is they won’t use a two TE set much, and instead, more of a 3 WR set. Edwards seems giddy about Reed in the slot with 83 & 81 out wide.
Completely agreed with your thoughts on McCargo and a DT draft pick. I’m still holding out some hope for McCargo (good to see he was in the offseason program already, unlike another DL who feels like he doesn’t need it – ahem – Chris Ellis).
MRW
I like it, of course my picks would be slightly different after round 4, but good job and a great draft should it come to fruition. What I like most about the draft you have here is that the SAM/Pass Rush specialist is accomplished in one pick and IMO that is what OBD will do. LB / OG / DE / TE seems to me the way to go with numbers in this rookie pool. I would not pass up on Fiammetta though, I would even choose him the 6th if I felt he wouldn’t last that long. He is an upgrade over McIntyre for years to come, any other players selected in the 6th/7th rounds may not even make the team. So with a definite player for Special Teams and may be able to contribute this year on Off and for years to come is too much to pass up. I have seen this kid play and he is by far and away the best FB available this year in the draft or even out of the available players in FA this year. He catches the ball well, runs well, and when he hits someone they move, he doesn’t just shield defenders like Mac does.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 25, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions
One more thing...
I like Wood a little more than Unger, but either would make me happy. Eric Wood is a B. Butler clone, and I am a huge Butler fan.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 25, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bills are reportedly not using the FB as much.
I really like Fiammetta but I just don’t see it happening. Sorry.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 25, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand the logic...
I was pining for Schmidt last year, and I will again this draft for Fiametta. Every year, OBD cuts the previous years FB, then they say that they are re-introducing the FB to the offense, then they sign someone that they aren’t all that high and who isn’t all that great, then they look at the production they got from their FB and cut him and say that the FB didn’t provide that much benefit to the offense and then they say they are looking for an H-Back type TE, and when he doesn’t pan out, they say they are re-re-introducing the FB again. Stop the madness and simply draft a FB in round 6 or 7 that you are sure can play, then plug him in. Not that hard IMO.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 25, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
good mock
i am impressed. and would be more then happy going into the season with this mock. i know a lot of people like cushing over Mathews, but either would be a solid pick. and the rest of your draft is solid too. the only thing i would do is pick up solid depth at funning back in 6 or 7 by adding boise states ian Johnson. Good work drafting for the lines though. football is won in the trenches.
Ian Johnson?
Seriously? I had him in my mock at 6th at one point but took him out. I like what he brings to the table a lot. I just find it odd we both like the same late round RB prospect. He could easily replace Miller in the mock.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 25, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Ian Johnson is a football player...
he may be devalued simply because he became a “name only” after the proposal and huge game against OKL and during his senior year his production dropped off, but IMO he is a solid RB with less wear & tear than he would have had if he continued with all those touches he normally rec’d.
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 25, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The kids a gamer.
I don’t know if he will be successful at the NFL level but it couldn’t hurt. I still have faith in Omon.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 25, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
ian johnson
I may be a little biased being from the Boise area (i live up the road from him.) He is all class, a hard worker, and he ran one of the better forty times at the combine. In his defense, boisestate runs a multi-dimensional offense featureing many different kinds of players. His numbers fell through his last two years because his carries were cut by two thirds. But as a senior, he volunteered on all the special teams, because he knew thats what would be asked of him at the next level. I believe it speaks a lot about his work ethic and team first attitude. he is exactly the blue-collar late round pick tht buffalo likes. (i have a schouman jersey by the way). my only knock on him is he runs very upright, hence the injuries through his college career. but in the sixth or seventh he would be good value. plus he holds onto the ball, unlike another back-up we have.
by Stabby Mcshank on Mar 26, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too...
I like Oman and Hall so I don’t think he is necessary but he would be an interesting prospect…
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 25, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions
@MRW
What is your opinion of Lawrence Sidbury of Richmond?
by NorCal BillsFan on Mar 25, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions
Here's what Brian has to say about him.... I don't know much.
#5 Best Fit: Lawrence Sidbury Jr., DE, Richmond
- Surprise! As I mentioned when discussing Maybin, there are a lot of high quality speed rushers available this year. You’re already aware of most of them. Sidbury, however, is a second or third round prospect out of Richmond that, outside of possibly Maybin, has the most upside out of anyone at the end position this year. He’s bigger than most of the speed ends available this year (6’2", 266), has a quick first step and also possesses great straight-line speed. He’s most certainly a project – counting on him to be anything more than an edge rusher in specific sub packages as a rookie would be a huge risk – but this guy’s got “elite Tampa 2 defensive end” written all over him. He may be the most athletically balanced end available, and unlike some of his peers, he’s got the potential to hold up well against the run as well.
From his Top five Best fits article
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 25, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Good job!
Hi Matt,
I really like this mock although I disagree with your top pick ( I don’t think Matthews goes any where near 11) and I would prefer either BJ Raji (if there) or Brandon Pettigrew (possible trade down).
I like the Hunt and Unger picks although I too would probably prefer Duke Robinson as a true guard. But then Unger gives us insurance at center if Hangartner doesn’t cut it (think Melvin Fowler….)
My worry with Matthews is that he’s a combine freak (think Matt Jones) with little real impact value.
I don't think Matthews lasts past pick 15 with the Texans.
But everyone has differing opinions this time of year.
I think Hangartnger will pan out but I like Unger a lot more than Robinson.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 25, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And I think the Bills will want
a lineman with versatility to replace Dukie. Unger can play C/G, which makes him more attractive to OBD, IMO.
Don’t sweat the petty things. Don’t pet the sweaty things.
You're probably right.
If they draft Robinson, they have to sign/develop a backup center. If they draft Unger, they have one. Then they can get a backup guard or use Kirk Chambers.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 25, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know. I don’t like the idea of another DE from Nebraska. And don’t get me started on Ingram.
I also would like to see more o-line. I’d give it a B+. overall a good job.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
Ingram – I prefer Beckum but I think Ingram is the guy who will be there in the 4th
DEs from Nebraska – I knew someone would bring it up. Oh well. Draft the player not the program.
More O Line? I have the new starting guard and the interior backup. We have Kirk Chambers and Demetrius Bell. That’s 9 O Linemen.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 26, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, I just can’t get on board with a mock that doesn’t take a DE in the first round. I’m sure it looks closed minded, but I just can’t fathom this team not making DE a top priority again. I do love Phil Hunt though, so I like this mock about as much as I can.
I think that second offensive lineman has to be able to play center. I would switch Feinga to someone like Edwin Williams or Robby Felix or someone like that.
I really like Zach Potter and I’m surprised to see you say that he has climbed his way into the 7th round. I think he was a guy who was a lock to get drafted when the season ended after notching 5.5 sacks as a 6’7’’, 280 pound bookend. I think his offseason work has moved him up into the 4th-6th round range, but it’s always so tough to tell with late round prospects.
Potter was all over the place when I was looking. Several spots had him undrafted or going 7th.
Some had him in the 6th and I thought about switching the 6th and 7th rounds. Ultimately… that late it doesn’t much matter right now. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 26, 2009 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, impossible to predict who is available when in the later rounds.
And after rethinking it, Since Unger can play center, I guess you don’t need to draft a center. If I’m of the belief that Chambers could start at guard and still back up the tackles, then Unger can start at guard and back up the center.
when did clay mathews become a top 15 pick?!
He plays too stiff and has trouble in coverage. That doesnt sound like a T2 OLB. How about Micheal Johnson( the only TRUE 4-3 pass rushing DE in the draft) then Jared Cook( if he’s gone, now would be a good time for an LB, but then again, Ellison has been crowned starter either way, Beckum will be there in the 3rd)
As long as we dont completely WASTE our 1st pick on Maybin I could live with most senarios. Maybin is seriously hurting his development by declaring so early. He’s the type of guy that could be a top 5 pick if he stayed in school for at least another year and perfected his craft.
matthews combine numbers
indicate otherwise. good change of direction. extremely quick and fast for a player his size. hasn’t had a ton of playing time at USC but is developing at a rapid pace.
Johnson and Cook both have huge question marks. Johnson is his effort and the ability to put all his talents together on the field.
Cook, while having immense talent, is a bad blocker and would take a lot of time to develop. I would be more inclined to take Cook over Johnson at this point.
Maybin could have benefited from another year at PSU, no doubt. I don’t see taking him at WASTING a pick though. He’s going to be good, it’s just a matter of when. Remember, the guys 20 years old!!
When did Jared Cook become a top 15 pick?
Ellison has not been crowned the starter, he has been named starter by default. Adding someone to the roster may not make this the case.
I don’t agree with you on Maybin staying in school, but that’s not the point. I passed on Maybin.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 26, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Rather than clutter FanPosts up with another Mock, I am just going to put me latest one here
1st (11) – OLB – Clay Matthews, USC – Will start in Crowell’s old spot. "Active with a non-stop motor…Great strength…Excellent pass rusher and blitzer…Super intense and competitive…Very tough…Extremely versatile…Good range and flies around the field…Solid instincts…Does a fantastic job in pursuit…Outstanding special teamer…Has a knack for making impact plays…Smart with a great football IQ…Has an incomparable work ethic …" http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Clay-Matthews.php
2nd (42) – Center/Guard, Mack, Wood, or Unger in that order. I think the Bills value versatility in their linemen. The Bills will not have a shot at Mack and will be lucky if Wood or Unger are left. Start him at guard and move him to center in a year or two if Hangartner doesn’t perform as expected.
3rd (75) – TE – Travis Beckum , Wisconsin – Is the vertical threat TE we should be looking to add, and yes he can block too. See Matt’s scouting report. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/3/18/764147/rumblings-scouting-report
I assume Shawn Nelson will be gone.
4th (110) – DE – Phillip Hunt, Houston – This guy screams Bills pick. Kid from a small school who has a great motor, attitude, and lots of potential. See K’s scouting report. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/3/25/809611/rumblings-scouting-report
5th (147) – DT – Terrance Knighton ,Temple – I refuse to pin my hope on Big Jon McBusto. Even if McCargo does manage to live up to half his potential, he is not the rock that Knighton is. At 6’ 3" and 321 lbs, he has the "beef" to be the run stuffer we have been missing since the Bills let Pat Williams walk out the door. "Knighton’s large body and fair athleticism is coveted by NFL scouts. The 2008 first-team All-MAC pick contributed heavily as a true freshman (after a post-graduate year at Milford Academy) before earning the starting nod in each of the next three seasons. He averaged 56 tackles, 7.5 for loss and four pass breakups from 2006-2008, while recovering six fumbles and blocking four kicks over the past two years. Teams looking for a one-gap 4-3 nose tackle will be most interested in Knighton." http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/559908
6th (183) – FB, Quinn Johnson, LSU – I hope the Bills do not ignore the FB position in this years draft. Both Johnson and Fiammetta are beasts with good hands catching out of the backfield. I like Johnson a little bit better. He is a converted linebacker, and he will not be afraid to blow people out of the hole unlike our current FB, McIntyre. This is not a wasted pick because Johnson would be our starting FB on opening day. Tony Fiammetta could get the "local boy" nod and it wouldn’t bother me at all.
7th (220) – QB, Brian Hoyer, Michigan State – Most of you know I think teams should always be developing a QB. Hamdan is dead weight….time to part ways with Edwards’ favorite clipboard holder. I was hoping Hoyer would go more unnoticed, but he was ranked by ESPN analyst Todd McShay as the fifth best NFL prospect at his position. Hoyer said he’s spoken with representatives of about 20 teams. He has good size, puts nice zip on the ball, and has good accuracy. Sounds like a perfect fit in the Bills system. Although he didn’t have a great year this season, he was in a run first system WRs who liked to drop the ball. Last year with Devin Thomas on this team, Hoyer passed for 2,725 yards with 20 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. Could he develop into the next Tom Brady?
Don’t sweat the petty things. Don’t pet the sweaty things.
Pretty similar to mine.
If I thought Hunt would be there in the 4th, and he very well might be, I’d have done the exact same first four rounds as you.
I love the idea of Quinn Johnson, I just don’t see them drafting a FB or developmental QB. They are putting their energy into developing Trent, which is where we differ. I consider Trent our development QB and don’t want time taken away from him by an even greener QB.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 26, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
After his Pro Day, Hunt might creep out of the 4th round.
Trent is our starting QB, so while he may still be developing, he is not a developmental or “project” QB. I don’t see how drafting a 7th round QB would take any time away from Edwards.
Don’t sweat the petty things. Don’t pet the sweaty things.
I would add Duke Robinson to your trio in the second round, ahead of all three.
Beckum – meh.
the last two rounds I would rather see some more o-line depth. The Bills currently have nothing behind the starters and that is counting Chambers as a starter.they need at least 1 back up center, and possibly 2 back up guards. I would rather see that over a FB (who they seem to want to phase out anyway) and a QB, who while good, would be the third stringer at best and very unlikely to see the field.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
All good points
Robinson is a good possibility, but I went with versatility. Just think of Beckum as the TE version your favorite QB from last year :-) I am hoping we sign some depth on the O-line either before or after the draft. You are right that the Bills don’t seem to value a true FB, which I feel is a mistake. Do you really expect most 6-7th round picks to play in their first year?
Don’t sweat the petty things. Don’t pet the sweaty things.
I was thinking a back up guard, given Butler’s injury history, could see the field much more quickly then a 3rd string QB. Even if the Bills took a center in the 6th round if Hangartner gets an injury he could see the field.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
But isn't that the exact reason the Bills should take someone like Unger in round 2 who can play both positions?
Don’t sweat the petty things. Don’t pet the sweaty things.
I guess I was envisioning Unger as the starting LG and Chambers as a back up OT.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
That shoud be the way we go
Chambers needs to be our first depth option, not a starter.
Mack/Unger/Wood/Robinson in the second.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 26, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
My vision for the O Line...
Peters, Unger, Hangartner, Butler, Walker
If any OT or OG is injured, Chambers steps in.
If Hangartner goes down, Unger slides over and is replaced by Chambers.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 26, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It would take away any time from Trent if the QB coach AVP was working to develop other guy instead of with Trent.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 26, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed on Trent
Although I’d love for them to draft Quinn johnson. And if the Bills managed to snag Hunt in the forth while drafting what you said in the first 3 rounds, I’d be very happy. Although I might also add Robinson to the mix in the second round, might even put him ahead of Unger.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 26, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Unger versatility
There’s not a difference in how they play guard but Unger also plays center well. That moves him ahead of Robinson for me.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 26, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be a bonus.
Plus if Hangartner doesn’t pan out, although I have great confidence in him, then we can just move Unger, or Wood, in his place. Not a bad plan.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 26, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Read my mind
Great mock. Matthews and Unger in the first 2 rounds — that’s already a clear winner to me. Best mock I’ve seen on this board so far.
I’m heating up to Ingram more and more. He is now ahead of Coffman and Beckum on my list.
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Don't go putting him ahead of Beckum.
He’s still my personal favorite. :-) Thanks for the compliment.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 28, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
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