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Penn State DE Aaron Maybin

The "inner circle" (read: editorial staff) at Buffalo Rumblings has taken the card up to the podium, and with the eleventh overall selection in the 2009 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft, the Buffalo Bills have selected Penn State defensive end Aaron Maybin.

The pick explanation can be found over at SBN's NFL Draft blog, Mocking the Draft, which once again is the host of this year's writers mock.  Please leave your general approve/disapprove comments on our selection of Maybin over at MTD.  In this post, we'll get behind the "company line" speech we presented in the official pick announcement and discuss the thought process behind selecting Maybin.  Those thoughts appear below.

Criteria One: Realism with a Twist
Mock drafts exist for prediction purposes, not "we think this should happen or we'll whine like Miley Cyrus does when she tries to arrange a meet with Radiohead and, rightfully, gets the shaft" purposes.  (All Miley Cyrus references here to keep the interest of sireric.)  So, naturally, we wanted to keep the pick as realistic as possible while still maintaining a degree of "we think this guy should be the guy" in the pick.

Our first step in this process was to outline Dick Jauron drafting tendencies.  We came away from that study with the very strong belief that Buffalo's first pick would be a defender, and it would likely be a player on the defensive line or in the linebacking corps.  As both of these areas are needs - in particular at defensive end and outside linebacker - this negated the need to worry about the Bills' current holes too much.

That doesn't mean that we were completely disregarding the "best player available" approach, however.  We included players at different (offensive) positions that piqued our interest at pick eleven, mostly because we strongly believe that these are names that will be relatively high on Buffalo's board as well.  The ten members of the editorial staff put together our big board based on these factors and a little bit of inside information, which you've already seen.

Criteria Two: Finding a playmaker
Buffalo found an offensive playmaker in early March when they signed WR Terrell Owens.  His presence alone will help the Bills make more big plays offensively this year, at a bare minimum.  However, the Bills are still missing that type of impact player defensively.  We wanted to draft the biggest impact defender we could find with this pick within the confines of the big board we created, linked above.  That's where prioritization came in.

Maybin became our top-ranked defensive end prospect, on a group consensus, because of the following factors: explosion, work ethic, build and playmaking ability.  We liken his abilities to Jason Taylor - he's very quick off the line, relentless in getting after the quarterback and his long arms will force fumbles.  I felt, and others agreed, that he was the best combination of immediate impact and potential available at the position this year.  Florida State's Everette Brown was a very close second, however, and Brian Orakpo (Texas) was rated highly as well.

At linebacker, the obvious choice was Aaron Curry out of Wake Forest.  He was the only player to rank ahead of Maybin on our board; widely regarded as the best defender available this year, we were, of course, not operating under the delusion that Curry would miraculously drop out of the top ten.  USC's Clay Matthews was the only other linebacker listed on our big board, mostly because of his superb athleticism, excellent pass-rushing skills, and a previously disclosed insider tip.

Other players listed were TE Brandon Pettigrew, OL Michael Oher and DT B.J. Raji.  We think that all eight players we listed on the big board are potentially excellent pro football players - otherwise, they wouldn't have been there, would they?  We went into this thing with Maybin as "our guy", and I, for one, am pleased he was still available when we selected.  Speaking of that...

Player Availability
Once the big board was established, it was simply a matter of playing the waiting game.  As there were no trades in this mock (a notion that I, personally, vehemently disagree with, as we would have loved to entertain offers to trade down), we patiently waited for the first ten picks to be made.  Here's how those selections went down:

1.  Detroit Lions: Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest ***
2.  St. Louis Rams: Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
3.  Kansas City Chiefs: Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
4.  Seattle Seahawks: Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
5.  Cleveland Browns: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas ***
6.  Cincinnati Bengals: Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
7.  Oakland Raiders: Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
8.  Jacksonville Jaguars: B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College ***
9.  Green Bay Packers: Everette Brown, DE, Florida State ***
10.  San Francisco 49ers: Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi ***

As noted above by the fancy little "***" signs, five of the eight names on our big board went in the top ten selections.  (Sounds like we did pretty good on the scouting thing, eh?)  That left Maybin, Matthews and Pettigrew as our three serious considerations (again, we would have loved to trade down, but it simply wasn't an option).  In our minds, it wasn't much of a contest.  We like Maybin's ability to contribute immediately better than Matthews', and we like Maybin better than Matthews long-term, too.  We like Clay Matthews, but in the end, we got our guy.  We hope to have similar success when picking in the second round as well.

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The main draft page where it shows that you just drafted lists him as being from Ole Miss.

by BillsNYC on Mar 28, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And our site is Buffalo Rublings....

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 28, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good.

:-)

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 29, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like it.

Best DE available, so I like the pick. Mathews would have been a good pick too, but if you listen to our draft bord, then Maybin it is.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 28, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Roids

Doesn’t bother you that he’s likely juicing?

by BillsNYC on Mar 28, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

likely?

I would say possibly, but very unlikely. These guys all know they have to pass a drug test at the combine.

by kaisertown on Mar 28, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THe only reason ppl say Roids is that he gained 25 pounds in 2 months

Whish is very possible if you put yourself at it. Plus he was working at a gym with a programm that is recognised nationally for it’s effectiveness.

I hate all this talk of roids, its almost like if an athlete does anything that is in any way remarkable, he’s a roider. It’s like it’s the athlete’s responsibility to prove that he’s not taking steroids instead of the reglementary body’s responsibility to prove that he is. It shows an increadible lack of faith in professional athletes and that is simply disturbing on the fans’s part.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 28, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at how much weight those people shed on that Biggest Loser show. It isn’t far-fetched to imagine someone already in shape getting in even better shape in that amount of time.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 29, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those people are cutting calories while upping the number of calories burned, which is a different thing entirely than packing on muscle. Plus, does it matter to those guys if they are losing muscle or fat or are they just losing weight? If Maybin put on 25 pounds of muscle without chemical help then he’s the man.

by Ron From NM on Mar 29, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt and the title here of “The Man.” I say there’s next to no way he’s been doing performance-enhanced drugs as a 1st-round prospect. There’s too much to lose by bringing one’s integrity into question before ever playing a down in the NFL.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 29, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s hope he is The Man. Let’s also not forget that a couple of prospects get busted every year for using some banned substance. Some of the time they’re just idiot pot heads. My guess (and that’s all it is) that the majority of the time they’re using a banned supplement. I’m not talking Lyle Alzedo steroids, more like the Duece McCalister supplements.

by Ron From NM on Mar 29, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear ya and agree about the banned substance issue. I just don’t see someone in such a large spotlight doing something so visibly stupid. Visibly as in “look at how jacked I just got” and stupid as in “well he’s jacked, but only because the needle made him so.”

Remember, college players can only commit “x” amount of hours to the team while in session (20 hours per week, if I remember correctly). He’s not in session, so I’m certain he’s probably been in the gym nearly every minute prepping for his millions.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 29, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not talking Lyle Alzedo steroids, more like the Duece McCalister supplements.

Nice way to pen a distinction between the two….

by krytime on Mar 29, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of the 3 guys left (Pettigrew, Maybin, Cushing) who were also on our list of 8, Maybin is the best choice. Yeah, I’m hoping for the Bills to drop into the 20s but if they stay put and the board shakes out like it did at Mocking The Draft then Maybin is the guy. If, for some reason, he can’t hack it at DE he could slim back down some and possibly fill a LB role…though I don’t see why Maybin couldn’t be at least as productive as Schobel.

The only issue I can see on the horizon for Maybin is the report that 2 first-round guys tested positive for something at the Combine. If the report is accurate Maybin would have to be one of the chief suspects. Adding 20+ pounds of muscle in a month or two is certainly an eyebrow raising feat.

by Ron From NM on Mar 28, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Of the 3 guys left (Pettigrew, Maybin, Cushing)

Whoops, think you meant Matthews, not Cushing.

And as for the juicing – it’s possible, but I have my doubts, and I certainly don’t think it’s “likely”. It’s a sad state of the world when a guy can’t gain weight without questions arising behind the means of getting there.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 28, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gaining 25 pounds in about 6 weeks without raising questions isn’t all that remarkable. Lots of jelly donuts will get a guy there in no time. Gaining 25 pounds of muscle, yeah, that’s pretty incredible.

You find different numbers but 3000ish calories is the one most often used when looking at calories needed to add or lose a pound. That doesn’t include the 3000ish calories per day (bare bones minimum) a guy of Maybin’s stature needs just to hold even. Throw in the type of extreme workout program necessary to add a lot of muscle in a short period of time and that number goes somewhere north of 4000 calories. So, to add about 25 pounds of muscle in about 50 days Maybin would have had to have been consuming somewhere in the neighborhood of 5500 calories per day, possibly over 6000. Not only that, those calories can’t come from jelly donuts. Instead it’s a protein heavy diet with little to none of the calorie heavy junk we all know and love. Supplements are an obvious need. It’s a short hop from supplement to steroid, far shorter than several players have realized—earning them suspensions that genuinely surprised some of them.

I’m not saying that Maybin couldn’t have added 25 pounds of muscle naturally in about 50 days. If he did it without chemical enhancement then it’s a tremendously impressive feat that speaks well to his dedication and self discipline.

by Ron From NM on Mar 28, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Michael Phelps can eat 12,000 calories a day while training, then I’m sure that Maybin can eat the necessary 6,000.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,403803,00.html

What I’m not so sure about is that Maybin actually gained 25 pounds of muscle in less than 2 months. I think there’s two things that could be partially causing his fast weight gain other than steroids and/or hard work.

The first thing is, do we really know that Maybin still only weighed 227 at the end of the season? I feel like a DE that small would have been trying to bulk up all season. Those before and after pictures that Power Train put out there are proof that Maybin gained a lot of weight in a hurry, but that gain easily could have been 18 or 19 pounds instead of 25 and still cause that much of a difference in the photos.

Water weight is another strong possibility. Creatine is a natural supplement that isn’t/can’t be banned by the NFL. If Maybin has been using a lot of creatine than a lot of his weight gain is just added water retention. The body just keeps more water in the muscles when you are supplementing with creatine and if Maybin has been using it and suddenly stops, he would probably lose a few pounds in a matter of days and maybe even as many as 5 pounds in a week.

So, I think it is very possible that Maybin actually only gained about 15 pounds of muscle and not the reported 25. And if that’s the case then it is easily a believable gain. Let’s also not forget that he is still only 20 years old and at such a young age, he is probably capable of pushing himself in the weight room and battling through aches better than any of us could ever dream of doing.

by kaisertown on Mar 29, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s a good point about Maybin’s end-of-season weight. He could have already been bulking up before the end of the year and kept it quiet to make a bigger splash….kind of like when guys secretly work out at home for a couple of months before actually going to the gym.

25 pounds of muscle isn’t unbelievable, just an enormous gain in a short period of time. I had thought that I read that his weight gain was muscle, which can be determined if he had a baseline water percentage before he started bulking up. I wouldn’t think he’d have made as much of his gains if they’d been 40% water retention.

by Ron From NM on Mar 29, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there is another reason for Maybin to say he gained all his weight after the season and that is for the benefit of Power Train where he did all his pre-draft preparation. Power Train probably not only let him work out at a crazy discount, Maybin probably got free supplements and things like that. In return, Power Train gets to use him in their advertisements and claim those before and after pictures are a 25 pound difference. It’s the same way that those late night commercials say that somebody lost 55 pounds when they really lost 40 pounds.

by kaisertown on Mar 30, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, I meant Matthews

Though Cushing could be an option if Buffalo drops back from #11.

by Ron From NM on Mar 28, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope.....

Still not sold on the one year wonder with “so much potential” according to guru’s. I think it would be a big mistake. There are better and more seasoned players coming out of college at #11. Whether its a need or not, at #11, if Maclin is there you dont pass on him. I also think any of the 3 USC Lb’s are better than Maybin at #11 and I would also say that Duke Robinson at #11 would even be more worthy.

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by Hambone on Mar 28, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can understand where you’re coming from on the USC linebackers, and maybe even Robinson. But this? Come on…

Whether its a need or not, at #11, if Maclin is there you dont pass on him.

How much utility do you expect to get out of a #7 receiver? Because that’s what he’d start out as in Buffalo.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 28, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Owens....

So, do you really think that if we have another losing season that Owens will re-up with the Bills?
The answer is no. You can’t just look at this year. You need a stud WR to take Owens place. Not to mention the fact that Owens only has about 2-3 years left no matter where he plays anyhow.
At this point, you dont gamble on “potential” in Maybin. You take what will be a sure thing in Maclin. This kid would be able to come in, learn under 2 experienced wr’s in Evans and Owens during his first year and then step right in after Owens departure next year. Biggest mistake teams make is to take need just to fill that spot. You take the best player on board. And if you dont want that player, you trade down.

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by Hambone on Mar 28, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody is a sure thing...

and we drafted another WR last year. So we have the manpower and coaches to develop two new WRs or should we just focus on thoe one (or two including Steve Johnson) we already have? James Hardy can step in just as easliy after Owens departure.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 28, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jury is still out on Hardy. Rumor has it, he can’t even pick up the play book. Maybe a little slow upstairs? I love Steve Johnson, but, you add Maclin to the mix if TO is gone and we stay strong for years to come. But, this isn’t my ideal draft idea. I would trade down or take one of the USC LB’s or Duke Robinson like I said before.

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by Hambone on Mar 28, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Owens point is fine, but I’d rather them address a need at 11 and continue their work with Hardy/Johnson than add a talented player to a position where they already have talent.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 28, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and why is “one year wonder” such a bad thing? He’s a sophomore. As a freshmen, he was used sparingly, mostly because there were seasoned guys playing in front of him. He still had 4 sacks as a freshman. Then, he gets onto the field, and boom – 20 TFL, 12 sacks. If by “one year wonder” you mean “he’s been productive whenever he’s seen action”, then sign me up.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 28, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly, he hasn’t been a star for that long because he hasn’t even been in college that long. He can’t even legally drink yet!

I’m not sure how anyone can talk about potential and then spin it around like it’s some bad thing. It isn’t like he is some freak athlete who was unproductive, but has the potential to produce. He had more games with a sack than any player in the country. He is the only defensive end in the draft who had a tackle for a loss in every game. So what if he only started for one year. Clay Matthews only started for one season too. When Matthews was a 20 year old redshirt sophomore he was a 220 pound special teamer and backup who was on scholarship for the first time. Maybin is a great player currently and the potential is a bonus.

by kaisertown on Mar 28, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the 2 games he faced ranked teams here are his stats….
USC game – 3 solo 1 asst and 1 TFL
OSU game – 1 solo 1 asst 1 sack 1 TFL
To me, IMO, against good competition, those aren’t top 15 pick stats.

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by Hambone on Mar 28, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides, isn't the entire reason that you draft a player is for his potential?

From this point of view, in what Maybin has done in his two years in college, I think he has the must potential out of this entire draft class, save for Curry. Sure a few aspecs of his game are lacking, but thats why you coach a player, to develop the player so he can play to the max of his potential, which is something that the Bills have been excellent at in the last 2-3 seasons.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 28, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, but, my whole arguement is, You do not take “potential” at #11. Especially as young as he is. He will need probably
Look, I do like Maybin, somewhat. He has “potential”. BUT, I dont consider him a top 15 pick. I see him more late 1st early 2nd round pick. Like I said, I dont feel he would ever live up to a top 15 pick as far as his stats in the NFL. Again, IMO. Of course I am not a prophet. I am just speaking my thoughts and opinions. For this kids sake, I hope Im wrong.

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by Hambone on Mar 28, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won’t argue on the Maybin potential, my question is what exactly makes Maclin a sure fire stud?

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 28, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, nothing is sure fire. I guess thats my gutt feeling as well. I think he will be better than Crabtree to be honest.

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by Hambone on Mar 28, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They both played in pass happy offenses, so their stats are kinda bloated. I could see Maclin being better then Crabtree, but I don’t think that his potential to be great is that much if at all better the Maybin’s.

I have doubts about Maybin also, but I have doubts about all the picks that the Bills could take at 11. They need a pass rush, so it’s better to err on the side a need.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 28, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Explain please....

Who exactly he faced….Penn state had a very soft schedule last year IMO. Do you realize they only faced ONE ranked team all year? That should tell you something right off. The level of competition wasnt there. I could be wrong, but, Im telling you now, this guy has bust written all over him.
And when I say bust, I mean, not living up to a top 15 pick.

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by Hambone on Mar 28, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

scratch that....

they faced 2 ranked teams. USC and OSU.

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by Hambone on Mar 28, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oregon St., Iowa, Michigan St.

That’s 5 ranked teams and about as many as any team in the country played.

by kaisertown on Mar 28, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My mistake...

You are correct. They were ranked. All at 9-4. I guess you just gave me even more reason to dislike him. Out of those 5 games….OSU, USC, IOWA, OREGON ST AND MICH ST. he had a combined TWO sacks. So, again, my comment about him playing against “better” competition still stands. He doesnt fair well at all. He racked up his sacks against weak teams. Again, IMO.

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by Hambone on Mar 28, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If in the real draft Sanchez falls .Hopefully well be trading down and then selecting Pettigrew . If I have to select DE give me Ayers

by BigUgly on Mar 28, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, we definitely would have preferred trading down. Trust us. Just couldn’t.

Why Ayers? He’s just like the rest of the ends we’ve got, IMO, and does little to nothing to improve our pass rush. I can’t understand that one, myself.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 28, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clay Matthews

The cab driver told me that the Buffalo Bills like Clay Matthews. I here from a from a pretty good source that the Bills have watched this guy for a long time and like his lineage.

by azbillsfan on Mar 28, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would be more pleased with Matthews at #11.

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by Hambone on Mar 28, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the cab driver?

wow thats a great source!

Ok fine, I think Brian reported the same thing. but still, the cab driver? man I hope that he wasn’t your “very good source”.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 28, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is a Chris Berman reference.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 28, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't recall Berman using that reference last draft

Could it be that his cab driver source was someone in the front office? Maybe Marv Levy himself?

by Ron From NM on Mar 28, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Butler (or somebody who was on the Bills staff with Butler) was Berman’s informant. He hasn’t used that line since Butler left the Bills.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 28, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's been that long?

I thought he used that line with the Whitner pick but maybe not.

by Ron From NM on Mar 28, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol the cab driver…this morning i woke up to a pair of songbirds…i couldn’t make out their melody, but it sounded as though they were singing “buffalo will draft crabtree” lol

by jzoom45 on Mar 28, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A) If you actually know the cab driver, we want an interview. Make it happen, cap’n. :)

B) We have been told something similar.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 28, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

prefer Pettigrew in first

Connor Barwin in second round.

by dzil on Mar 28, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pettigrew in the first, or Pettigrew at 11?

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 28, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

trade down, if possible. 11 is a bit high for a TE

by dzil on Mar 28, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybin but with something

If Buffalo did draft Maybin and he is a Jason Taylor type, then why don’t we sign taylor for one year as a starter/mentor to Maybin. what could it hurt?

If I really had my way I would trade the 11th overall to the Eagles for the 21st and their 3rd round pick to get Pettigrew in the 1st then Barwin from Cinnicinati in the 2nd then use the two 3rd rounders on a OG and a OLB. Remember Crowell was a 3rd round choice and I believe their is talent enough in this draft to fill our needs if we trade down.

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by Deadpool71 on Mar 28, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

has jason taylor been signed? i wonder how much he has left in the tank. wonder if he would help the bills….i can’t wait for the new season to start. i think our football team is going to be so pumped up now that there is more national attention on them. marshawn has to have a break out season. it’s time to see if he’s going to be a franchise back or just another “good” back. i think he has the talent to be the former; it’s just a matter of how much desire he has. leodis mckelvin was a steal last season as he is a star in the making. peters needs to go if he doesn’t want to play for us—not worth top player money. if he doesn’t settle for less, trade him and sign orlando pace to a one year deal. we need a young stellar defensive end who can start contributing right now, as well as a playmaker at linebacker. if we get those two key positions filled, i think it’s almost a guarantee we make the playoffs—as it stands today, i’m almost willing to bet we make them just on adrenaline alone.

by jzoom45 on Mar 28, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and i agree with the above statement about needing a top notch wr. owens may not stick around beyond this season and if he does, he isn’t getting any younger. i still truly believe (as much as like the guy) that lee evans isn’t a bona fide number wr. we need someone who is bigger, stronger, and more consistent than evans, as a number one.

by jzoom45 on Mar 28, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we need someone who is bigger, stronger, and more consistent than evans, as a number one.

Pretty sure that this guy is on the team already. Stole his jersey number from James Hardy, has his own reality show… :)

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 28, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is paul posluzny as good as he is popular

so far i would have to say no. but i like him, for he is a hard-nose player. he, too, needs a break out season.

by jzoom45 on Mar 28, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good player, for a slug.

by dzil on Mar 28, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slug?

That’s more than a bit harsh. The guy has played in about 20 pro games. He hasn’t yet proven to be a stud but he also hasn’t been terrible.

by Ron From NM on Mar 28, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

slug is a reference to his lack of speed. i also think he’s not as fast as middle inside linebacker ought to be. it would be nice if paul could be for us what a ray lewis, brian urlacher, and patrick willis were/are to their teams. to be fair, these 3 guys are freaks of nature. coming out of penn state, i just thought posluzny would be a monster. he’s been good, but not great.

by jzoom45 on Mar 29, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you guys take that insider tip on Clay Matthews a lil to serious, I think they would like Matthews but not in round 1 and im not sold on them actually wanting him and just not a guy on here who wants him.

by Fam_1st on Mar 29, 2009 1:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We’re not trying to sell you on anything, friend. Believe what you want; we’ll do the same. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 29, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so when can they take him if he's off the board by pick 20, which will happen....
I think they would like Matthews but not in round 1

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 29, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybin?! maybe in the 2nd.

A tweener like him will take at least 2 years to develop at DE, and a year to develop at OLB. We need a player who doesnt need a big adjustment period. With all due respect, a pick like this makes me wonder how much you guys know about football. Its not that I dislike Maybin, but we play a 4-3 defense as you all know, And undersized DE who is “less than effective” at stopping the run will not be picked @ 11. Michael Johnson please.

 Clay Mathews is the reason why I dont give much merit to draft rankings that emerge weekly after the combine. The combine is a good gauge for a players’ physical skill but the time spent actually playing football is my determining factor. Mathews was the no3 LB on the best LB trio in all of college football. I think Maluaga,Cushing and Mathews formed a “whole that was greater than the sum of its parts” I believe all three will be letdowns ( before you mug me, notice i said “letdowns” not busts.) to whomever drafts them. Plenty of LBs in the 3rd.

by BuffaloChip on Mar 29, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Its not that I dislike Maybin, but we play a 4-3 defense as you all know, And undersized DE who is "less than effective" at stopping the run will not be picked @ 11

You can question whether we know football or not. The fact is he’d be asked to perform one job in year one… get to the QB. He wouldn’t be in on traditional passing situations. We have guys to do that.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 29, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

".......having guys to do that"

is not something we want to here when discusing the 11 pick in the draft. imho.

by BuffaloChip on Mar 29, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That, ultimately, is an opinion that I believe the Bills will share.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 29, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So if he's a situational player you shouldn't draft him at 11?

They did the same thing with Leo last year. He didn’t start day 1. He worked his way in, just like Maybin or anyone else could do. We have guys who could do the run stopping right now just like we had guys who could start at CB last year. Eventually McKelvin made his big impression and he’ll start in year two. The same could be said for Maybin or any other guy we’re talking about.

With that in mind I didn’t have the Bills taking him in my mock and he’s not my favorite player. He does, however, have a lot of potential and could be a force this year and in the future.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 29, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats too bad

that they don’t allow trades in the mock. I think a trade would be the best move in this situation. Plus it would have been awesome to see how the trades worked out.

by Khours on Mar 30, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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