My FINAL Mock Draft

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 29, 2009 3:47 PM EDT Comment 65 comments

After much debate with you guys, combine/pro-day workouts, and game tape this is my 2009 NFL Mock Draft for the Buffalo Bills. You will notice that I have left out tight end. Although I saw great combine workouts from a couple tight ends I simply did not see enough production to warrant a 1st or 2nd round pick. I realize that many people will disagree with me and I respect that.

DE Everette Brown. Florida State. 6'2'' 256 LBS
1. The best pass rusher in the draft. Played at a proven school and showed great production all three years. Last year he notched 21.5 tackles for loss which was third best in the entire nation. From his tape, we can see he has the widest array of pass rushing moves out of any player in the draft. Pass rush has been sited as a huge need for the Bills by both Dick Jauron and Perry Fewell. Not only are the Bills getting a pass rusher, but a DE who is very stout against the run as well.
DT Evander "Ziggy" Hood. Missouri. 6'3'' 300 LBS.
1. The quickest and best pass rushing defensive tackle in the draft. Ziggy had a 10 yd dash of 1.62 seconds which is extremely quick for a guy of his size. Like Everette Brown, Ziggy also has a wide array of pass rush moves to help him get to the QB. His production at Missouri was very solid for 3 years; 5 TFL, 8 TFL, and 7 TFL. Ziggy was constantly double teamed but still produced. I don't care what Tom Modrak says, the John McCargo experiment is over and its ZIGGY TIME! Although I like Kyle Williams, the Bills need and upgrade.
OLB Tyrone McKenzie. South Florida and Iowa State. 6'2'' 243 LBS.
1. He's played for 2 different schools in his college career but there was one common theme, BIG TIME PRODUCTION for 3 years; 59 solo tackles in 2006, 63 solo tackles in 2007, and 79 solo tackles in 2008. Doesn't matter what scheme he is in, the guy simply produces. He played with Bills LB Alvin Bowen at Iowa State and they were best friends, this could lead to good locker room chemistry. The Bills need another LB who can make more plays in the backfield and McKenzie made 15 TFL last year.
OG Tyronne Green. Auburn. 6'2'' 309 LBS.
1. At some point in this draft the Bills need to get an interior lineman. Green has been regarded as the bright spot on the Auburn offensive line by many experts. He has a quick first step with a 1.69 ten yard dash and it shows up on tape. The guy just does everything well; he sinks his hips, pulls well, drives, and finishes his blocks. He also performed very well at the senior bowl.
CB Joe Burnett. Central Florida. 5'10'' 192 LBS.
1. We all know how much Dick Jauron loves corners! If the Bills drafted Reggie Corner, then there is absolutely no way they do not draft Joe Burnett. The past two years Joe Burnett has been incredibly productive; 6 interceptions in 2007 and 4 interceptions in 2008. That's not all though! This year, Burnett has arguably been the best punt/kick returner in college football (McKelvinesk). On punts, he averaged 14.5 yards a return. On kicks, he averaged 28.65 yards a return. He also took to of the kick returns to the house for TD's. And to put the cherry on top, Burnett has incredibly quick feet with a three cone drill of 6.68 seconds which was second fastest to Malcomb Jenkins. BTW, Jenkins is a great player and don't be surprised if the Bills take him #1. Pairing him with Donte Whitner...
SS Otis Wiley. Michigan State. 6'1'' 213 LBS.
1. It's that time of the draft where you try to find the gems! Wiley has the size and speed to be a great safety in the NFL. Bryan Scott is not a playmaker, and Ko "millions" Simpson has not been healthy enough to prove anything. Wiley was very productive in his past two years; 4 interceptions in 2007 and 4 interceptions in 2008. Also, Wiley was good punt returner which suggests he is a playmaker. Not surprisingly, Wiley took two of the interceptions to the house with 2 td's. Quick feet with a 6.97 three cone drill and a decent first step with a 1.62 ten yard dash. Injuries could push Wiley back this far.
OT Lydon Murtha. Nebraska. 6'7'' 306 LBS.
1. Like I said before, just trying to find some gems. Murtha had the most impressive combine performance out of any lineman in the draft. GREAT first step with a 1.62 ten yard dash, Great quick feet with a 7.06 three cone drill, GREAT vertical jump of 35 inches, and a pretty good bench of 25 reps. Although he has shown flashes of greatness, Murtha has been plagued by injuries. However, with good coaching and better health Murtha could be a pro bowl left tackle. Murtha also provides good line depth.

Like I said, this is my final draft. Tell me your thoughts! If I get 2 or more players correct I will be thrilled.

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Great Job

I would be overly happy if we could get this one done
the only thing i dont like is the corner…It just doesnt seem to me to draft another cuz if we need another get one of the vets to come in for a year
Other then that i give it an A

by Parrish11rules on Mar 29, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Corner in rd 5

You’re correct in that relative to the other needs, corner is not a big need. However, I just think Dick Jauron is a sucker for corners. The Bills have shown their interests in punt returns by drafting McKelvin. The Bills have shown interest in ball hawks by drafting Reggie Corner. I think Burnett offers both of these things.

The thing is, I think Mgee and Mckelvin will have the top to corner spots. I think Reggie Corner and Drayton Florence will play on the inside for the nickel. The only other is is Ashton Youboty. I think the Bills might to bring another guy in for some competition.

Who would you want to take in round 5 instead? I would love to take a great TE but I just don’t think anyone will be there.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 29, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Who starts at LT when Peters holds out and LG?

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by Joe P. on Mar 29, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The CB depth

Mckelvin/McGee starting
Youboty and Florence nickel/dime
Corner will be a fifth CB….

Why do we need a 6th again?

As far as Malcolm Jenkins… he couldn’t play strong safety. He’s not big enough so we couldn’t use him there. They are commited to Donte at FS this year.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 30, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

TJ Lang, EMU

He is a current college LT, projected to NFL guard, but has very quick feet and heck of a punch and is very adept at redirecting opponents. He is ALOT like Butler, but not as injury prone, he would be a real steal in the 5th.

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Apr 1, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who starts at LT when Peters holds out

Hopefully, the Bills can work out something with Peters. However, if Peters holds out, the Bills will have to make due with Langston Walker and Kirk Chambers.

Let’s play a little would you rather.

1. Would you rather have: The 3rd best rookie tackle (at best) starting with no improvement on the D line.
2. Or, would you rather have Langston and Chambers manning the tackle spots with an improvement on the D line?

I like #2. But i’m hopeful for Peters and Walker manning the tackle spots with an improvement on the D line.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 29, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Given that Jauron is playing for his job

and saw fit to sign T.O., I believe it is paramount for Edwards to have time to get the ball out and for Lynch to have holes to run through. Nothing is more important at this point than solidifying the O-line. You might as well get used to the fact that Peters is going to be dealt (g said 75%). For any mock to be credible at this point, it must account for this scenario, IMO.

by Joe P. on Mar 29, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You might as well get used to the fact that Peters is going to be dealt (g said 75%)

Who is “g”? I have not heard anything signaling that there is a 75% chance we get rid of Peters. I think the Bills will just hold on to him and fine him. IMO the Bills are ultimately holding the cards because Peters is under contract.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 29, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

geromino's reply to poster in "Some informed speculation"

I would guess—and this is me only—that the chances are about 75-25 that he will be dealt. They simply do not want a replica of last year, which is absolutely possible and which as you all know—hurt the team a lot.

by Joe P. on Mar 29, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not sure how much stock i’d put in that – there not that far apart. 3 mil a year apart after their first offer should be negotiable I would think

Anyway Kenny, Yellow MegaMan is only $8.95, so maybe your mom can put it on layaway and make payments for a year or two

by J2 on Mar 30, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Unless Peters is unwilling to negotiate

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 30, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by BuffaloChip on Mar 30, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I also just want to say that I am not TOTALLY opposed to getting rid of Peters if the Bills can get 2 draft picks in the first 3 rounds for him.

I would love for the Bills to get a first round pick from the bengals at #6 for Peters. This way, the Bills could land a player like B.J. Raji in addition to an end like Everette Brown.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 29, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would love that as well, but given the hole at LG and the probable hole at LT due to the departure of Peters

I think the Bills would pass on Raji :-(

by Joe P. on Mar 29, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and LG?

First of all I think Duke Preston is overrated. He is Derek Dockery reincarnated. A big and slow “mauler” who won’t move anyone at the NFL level.

If Peters plays, the Bills can start Kirk Chambers at LG. Or the Bills could sign and start Duke Preston. I think Preston is as good as Dockery (which isn’t a good thing really). I think Chambers is better than Dockery. However, I think the rookie guard Tyrone Green in round 4 could get the starting job.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 29, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I meant to say “Duke Robinson”, not Duke Preston. I think Duke Preston actually gets too much heat. That is a different story though.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 29, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If we don't draft Robinson how can he play for us?

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 30, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the only place I meant to say Duke Robinson instead of Duke Preston would be here

First of all I think Duke Preston is overrated

Everywhere else, I meant to say Duke Preston. Yea, sry that was confusing.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 30, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

At this point, any mock that takes a DE in the first round is music to my ears.

I’d rather go Shawn Nelson in the second round, but I can’t complain about potentially getting a great one gap DT.

I don’t like Tyrone McKenzie at all in the 2nd round, but I love him in the third. I think he’s better than Marcus Freeman and the best of the non-first round LBs. You’ve really sold me on him over time.

Tyronne Greene is fine in the 4th. I love how we all talk about offensive guards like we have any clue how good these guys were in college. Greene has gotten positive reports from everywhere I’ve seen and I think the 4th round is the perfect place to pick a guard if Buffalo can’t get a stud like Mack in the second round.

I don’t really get your logic on Burnett. I know that DJ loves corners, but they already have 5. If they draft Wiley that means they have to keep 5 safeties too. So do we really need 11 DBs? Burnett’s special teams ability is essentially useless too. Given the fact that this team already has Parrish, McKelvin and Jackson, I don’t see how the return units are any better with Burnett on the roster.

The only pick that I think should really be changed is Burnett and I would pick a center instead. If Buffalo doesn’t draft one, then they have to sign one of the crappy FAs left to be the only player on the roster who can back up Hangartner.

by kaisertown on Mar 29, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’d rather go Shawn Nelson in the second round

I think this guy is a pretty good player too. I would love for him to be on the Bills. Like you said though, Ziggy is a great one gap DT.

I think he’s better than Marcus Freeman

I have season tickets to Ohio State and Marcus Freeman is nothing special. He’s a good football player, but he’d do nothing that Keith Ellison doesn’t already do.

I don’t really get your logic on Burnett

You are the second person who has said this, so there must be something to this argument. The Bills did take a mess of DB’s into camp last year drafting that guy from Pittsburgh Kennard Cox. Maybe just for competition.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 29, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Bills brought 7 CBs into camp last year who had something of a chance to make the roster so maybe you are onto something with the Burnett pick. You never, ever know when it comes to DJ and defensive backs. And I do like Burnett as a player. I guess the situation isn’t all that different from last year as far as Buffalo not really having that many CBs who have proven to be starting Calibur, but they do have more guys on the roster right now who have proven to be NFL players.

Last season they had McGee, Greer who only had 10 NFL starts at the time, McKelvin who was a raw rookie from a small school, Youboty was a guy that a lot of people had given up on, Will James was signed after the draft, Reggie Corner was a nobody from a small school and Cox never had much of a shot.

This year they have McGee, McKelvin in his 2nd year, a solid vet in Florence, a much more proven Youboty and a 2nd year Reggie Corner. This year’s group is much more NFL ready than last year’s. OBD might draft a cornerback, but I think it would be a mistake if they did.

by kaisertown on Mar 30, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it would be a mistake if they did.

you are entitled to your opinion kaiser, so I’m glad you shared it!

The Bills could cut Youboty. from what I hear, the guy is a bit of a wimp.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 30, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Bills could cut Youboty

Well I guess we all have our own opinions, because that is something I could never agree to.

by kaisertown on Mar 30, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No TE? Like the draft as it highlights some guys that are not high on the radar, but I think the Bills will pick up a TE somewhere even if it’s purely a pass catcher. We we have the Dereks for blocking and short yardage we need someone like Nelson/Cook/Casey/Beckum to stretch the field.

by billsct11 on Mar 30, 2009 2:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If the Bills could get Beckum in round 5, I would not be against it. I actually saw Beckum play a couple times against Ohio State and he is a very good down the field threat. The problem is, Beckum is projected to be a 3rd round draft pick. I like Tyrone McKenzie more than I like any tight end in the 3rd round.

I agree with you that the Bills need a down the field tight end though. It’s just I like my first three guys more than any tight end available. And, after the first 3 rounds there won’t be any good tight ends.

Personally, I think Beckum is the best tight end in the draft. I know that isn’t what all the mock drafts say, but when Beckum played, he was by far the most productive. He had a great pro day with a 1.56 10 yd dash, a 7.06 three cone drill and a 38.5 vertical.

This is why trading Peters for 2 picks in the first three rounds is so enticing. Because we could add a tight end like Beckum in addition to another quality player.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 30, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

To speculate a peters trade in a mock is your choice.

I just dont see it happening. lets not forget that in 07 our defense was ranked near last in the league. In 08 we jumped to 14 without our best pass rusher. With that in mind, I cant see 5 of 7 picks going to the defense. It makes zero sense.
RD1 Oher
RD2 M.Johnson
RD3 T. Beckum

by BuffaloChip on Mar 30, 2009 7:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

RD2 M.Johnson

I don’t like Michael Johnson very much. He does not have a wide array of pass rushing moves. He has trouble getting leverage because he is too tall. He is overrated because the success of Julius Peppers who is a MUCH better pass rusher.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 30, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dont like maybin, Brown or Orakpo.

none of them fit our 4-3 system. at least Johnson and his “lack of leverage” can stop the run.

Name a move other than a spin move, that E.Brown brings to the table.
Maybin=Devin Thomas. ei. one hit wonder.
Orakpo is 6’4 260 and has gained 50lbs since he was a freshman. how much more bulk can be added to his frame?
At least Johnson has the frame to add 25 lbs. (295!!!!!!)

by BuffaloChip on Mar 30, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We don't need DE that can stop the run, we need DE's that can pass rush!!!

All three DE’s that you don’t like happen to be great pass rushers. and whiLe I’l agree that Orakpo is much more suited to be 3-4 OLB,but Maybin shows icreadible upside in EVERY aspect of his game and with his recent added weight gain, speed and power, could be the ideal 4-3 DE.

As for your claim that Brown can only do spin moves. Take a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXJJ14HL5EE
I see spin moves, swim move, power moves, great footwork and an engine that just doesn’t stop. Brown is the IDEAL DE prospect for our system. Plus all three DE’s have what our D-Line desperatly needs: SPEED; something that Johnson lacks almost entirely.

I see Johnson as the ideal 3-4 DE (see Ngata), where his main priority would be stopping the run. But in a 4-3 DE, where he would be counted on to add constant pass pressure , something he could not do in the NFL because of his lack of speed. And his speed would fall even more if you add another 25 pounds like you suggest. At 295 he’d almost be more suited as a 3-4 nose tackle, resembling San Diego’s Jamaal Williams or Chicago’s (just 40 pounds lighter) or more likely Chicago’s Tommy Harris in a 4-3 (who also weight 295). Johnson is not what we need in a DE.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 30, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tyson Jackson is an ideal 3-4 DE. maybe you have the two confused.

Speed has never ever been a problem for Micheal Johnson. He ran a 4.59 at the GT pro day.

Micheal Johnson is a speed pass rusher. You are confused.

by BuffaloChip on Mar 30, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Your right, I did get Jackson and Johnson confused. But it does not change anything I said about Brown, Maybin and Orakpo.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 30, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Name a move other than a spin move, that E.Brown brings to the table.

Like the Canadian Bills Fan said, visit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXJJ14HL5EE. I don’t like saying this, but you are wrong my friend. Everette Brown has PLENTY of moves.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 30, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

at least Johnson and his "lack of leverage" can stop the run.

Are you saying that Orakpo and Brown can’t stop the run? Also, the lack of leverage makes him the worst DE against the run. If he gained some weight maybe he would be better against the run.

Orakpo is 6’4 260

he’s 6’3’’ 263. And that is good size so he doens’t need to add any bulk thank you very much.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 30, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

6'3 263 is a big LB and a small defensive end.

Whats the average height and weight for an NFL tackle?

I am convinced maybin is a linebacker. a damned good one.

Evertte brown is smaller than Orakpo.

My logic is not too far fetched.

by BuffaloChip on Mar 30, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There are only a handful of linebackers in the league who weigh that much and none of them play in a 4-3. I would say 265 is your average 4-3 DE.

The difference between the role of Shawn Merriman and Aaron Schobel isn’t that different. All this talk of LB vs. DE is useless because their are so many unique roles that defenders can have in the variety of different schemes used in the NFL.

by kaisertown on Mar 30, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My logic is not too far fetched.

Your right, your logic isn’t far fetched, but your lack of the ability to look beyond size is stunning.

Pro-Bowler and All-Pro Dwight Freeney is smaller than all of the DE’s you mentiened (6’1" 258 pounds), but still manages to put up GREAT stats with his speed and moves on the line while playing in a 4-3. Here are his sack and tackles to prove m point:

2008 – 32 tks – 10.5 sacks
2007 – 24 tks – 3.5 sacks (in 9 games played)
2006 – 32 tks – 5.5 sacks
2005 – 39 tks – 11 sacks
2004 – 37 tks – 16 sacks
2003 – 35 tks – 11 sacks
2002 – 42 tks – 13 sacks (rookie season)

Now I know I’m cherry picking, but a lot of ppl are saying that Everette Brown is very, VERY comparable to Freeney. And even if Brown only has half the stats that Freeney has, he would be an increadible asset for the Bills to have in the pass rush. So please don’t bring up lack of size as an argument, because the value of a small, speedy DE in a T2 4-3 scheme is undeniable. And that is exactly the kind of DE that Buffalo need.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 30, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Freeney is a very very special player

but cmon, comparing a college prospect to a future hall of famer?

by BuffaloChip on Mar 31, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not the only one that does

Freeney and Bown play the same style, with the same skill set would both play in the same deffencive scheme (if Brown were to join our T2 deffence). Notice how I also said that if Brown had HALF of the production of Freeney then I’d be happy.

I’m comparing Brown’s style of play to Freeney’s, not his production. It’s simply illogical for me to expect that Brown have the same type of numbers that Freeney has had because, as you said, Freeney is a future HOFer.

What I do expect Brown to become is the type of DE that is a pass rush specialist that brings in 6-10 sacks per season, which is a very reasonable expectation while taking into consideration Brown’s skillset. And when it is all said and done, that is the exact type of DE that the Bills DESPERATLY need.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybin=Devin Thomas. ei. one hit wonder.

That’s a lame argument, extremely lame.

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by Kurupt on Mar 31, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

both had one standout season

both are and were the consensus “sexy picks” on Bills blogs this time of year.

by BuffaloChip on Mar 31, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybin was a sophomore, did you expect him to have 4 years of production or something? It’s not like a senior who couldn’t get on the field until his final season to have some production (Robert Ayers).

Not to mention, they play different positions, and you don’t even know if Thomas is going to be a good pro or not.

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by Kurupt on Mar 31, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yea, i’m with Kurupt. Devin Thomas could end up being an excellent player in the NFL. However, I don’t want the Bills to draft Maybin.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 31, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

WHy on earth are we drafting a DT so high?

I still don’t get why people insist on draft a DT when we have so many other problems. Draft a developmental guy, sure. No problem with that. But not a second rounders when yo udon’t address the new starting OG until the 4th round.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 30, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

WHy on earth are we drafting a DT so high?

DT is actually a need for the Bills. Part of the pass rush problem is that Kyle Williams can’t rush the passer. I feel Williams would best serve the Bills during running downs. Spencer Johnson is OK but isn’t anything special. Like I said, the McCargo experiment is over. McCargo wasn’t even drafted by this coaching staff. A really good pass rushing DT is a key for Buffalo’s defense.

yo udon’t address the new starting OG until the 4th round.

The OG class is pretty weak this year. Like I said, Duke Robinson is another version of Derek Dockery (not very good). If there was a good enough OG to take in the second I might consider taking him…but IMO there is not.

Ziggy is an extremely good pass rushing DT, something that the Bills desperately need. I encourage you to look at his film on youtube.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 30, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If there was a good enough OG to take in the second I might consider taking him…but IMO there is not.

I’m liking a lot of what you’re saying here; you and I see eye to eye on a lot of this draft stuff. The OG comment highlighted above, though, is a bit confusing. What are your thoughts on Max Unger?

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 30, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What are your thoughts on Max Unger?

He’s a 6’4’’ 309 LBS center. I would expect him to be a very quick lineman. The problem is he’s not. He has a 1.78 10 yd dash. To give you some perspective, BJ Raji, a 337 DT and he has a 1.69 ten yd dash.

I see Max Unger as a Jason Whittle. Really good technique but not enough physical tools to be a very good starting lineman.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 30, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kyle Williams has disrupted a lot of plays in hte backfield...

both on rushing downs and passing downs. He was in the backfield more often than Stroud was last year.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 30, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kyle Williams worked his way to being one of my favorite bills last year. he played lights out. I’m not sure we went after stroud to be a pass-rusher, more as a stalwart, a rock in the middle. but i like the combo we have at dt. and thats the first time i can say that since we had Pat and Sam. Would like to see some rotational depth added later on in the draft, say 5 or 6.

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by Stabby Mcshank on Mar 30, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Me too.

I think I had a 6th rounder in my mock.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 30, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kyle Williams has disrupted a lot of plays in the backfield…

A lot? what exactly do you define as a lot?

Look, I really like Kyle Williams but he is overworked. Adding Ziggy to the rotation makes Kyle Williams and Marcus Stroud both better.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 30, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Williams had 2 sacks and 5 tackles for a loss (Stroud had 2.5 and 6).

Williams is a better pass rusher than Stroud and was double teamed on almost every play that Buffalo didn’t blitz. Williams was also a force against the run and his 37 solo tackles were tied with Darnell Dockett and Kris Jenkins for the 8th most of any DT in the league (Stroud had 29). Williams also assisted on 18 tackles giving him a total of 55 which was tied with Rocky Bernard for the 6th most of any NFL DT.

All that said, I still think it’s far from a bad idea to draft a DT early. The defensive line is so much more important than the back 7 that it is never a bad idea to draft a player like Ziggy Hood. Considering that Stoud is turning 31 soon and that a great summer by McCargo probably only keeps him on the team for the last year of his contract, I just don’t know how you could argue against taking a DT.

by kaisertown on Mar 30, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Williams had 2 sacks and 5 tackles for a loss (Stroud had 2.5 and 6).

Williams is a better pass rusher than Stroud

hmmmmmmmmmm, interesting argument.

I just don’t know how you could argue against taking a DT.

correct, especially a player as good as Ziggy.

I love Kyle Williams just for the record. It’s just like you’re saying, we could use a Ziggy Hood.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 30, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, Williams is usually double teamed while Stroud only faces one defender on pass plays. It’s the same reason I would say that Stroud is better against the run than Williams is despite being Williams being better statistically because Stroud is double teamed on run plays far more often than Williams is.

It’s just like you’re saying, we could use a Ziggy Hood.

Every team could use a Ziggy Hood. I would love for Buffalo to be one of the team’s smart enough to try and get a player like that. Buffalo should model it’s defense after someone like Tennessee or the NYG or even the Falcons. We should try to be a team that doesn’t need it’s linebackers and safeties to provide the pressure. Getting a DE in the first and DT in the second (or vice versa) would be a great step towards lowering Buffalo’s dependance on DBs (which sadly had about 20% of Buffalo’s sacks last year) and instead could use defensive backs to actually cover people.

by kaisertown on Mar 30, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not bad

Not sure I really like drafting a DT in the second though, but that’s mainly cause I’d LOVE to tkae Duke Robinson there. the rest look pretty good though

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 30, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

LOVE to tkae Duke Robinson there

A couple of people feel this way, so there is probably something to it. In my opinion, Duke Robinson is overrated. I also thing Tyronne Green will actually be a better pro. Like someone mentioned before, we really don’t know what we are talking about when we evaluate offensive lineman.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 30, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kraig Urbik is a good player to consider in round 3 or 4, as well

~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 30, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'll second that.

Kraig Urbik is a good player to consider in round 3 or 4, as well

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 30, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have seen a couple mocks taking Urbik. So, you could be onto something. Unless of course your only basis is a mock draft… not trying to be mean, just a educated guess.

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 30, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't be mean

I don’t know what mocks have him going to the Bills, but I haven’t seen them. I’ve read some scouting reports on him, but that’s about all. It’s not like there is a ton of game film on interior OL prospects…

~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 31, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pretty good!

-If we can get the first two picks, Brown and Hood, I would call it a pretty good draft.
-I also like Wiley, since I love bigger safeties.
- Tyronne Green is also a solid pick that late in the draft.

by BuffaloWhiner on Mar 31, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thank you!

by buffaloboy90 on Mar 31, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

one of the better mock drafts

i think we go OLB in the first and we take at least 3 o-linemen (2 G & 1 C). I hope we can get Hood, i think people on here give our DT too much credit. and i’m so glad i did not see another pointless TE on here.

i would like the top Guard if he’s still around early 2nd round.

by pastj12345 on Apr 1, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs