Receivers Buffalo might consider beyond Coles
During the 2008 off-season, the Buffalo Bills spent valuable time and... well, at least they made an attempt to spend valuable resources... on a wide receiver to complement top target Lee Evans. Their ultimate solution to that problem was rookie James Hardy. Nine receptions, two touchdowns and a serious knee injury later, Buffalo is back in the market for a wide receiver.
Their target? Unless you found a cozy rock to snuggle under for the past four days, you're well aware that it's Laveranues Coles. Despite a good visit with the team this past Saturday and a healthy contract offer from the Bills, Coles is visiting Cincinnati today, and with each passing moment, Buffalo's chances of landing the productive veteran grow slimmer.
As far as we can tell, adding a veteran receiver was never a major part of Buffalo's free agency plans this year until Coles hit the market. When that happened, the Bills altered their strategy slightly, bringing in Coles in an effort to finally add a true threat across the field from Evans. The idea of an Evans-Coles receiving duo has enticed Bills fans for over three full days now. While the Bills continue to work diligently (and keep their fingers crossed) that they can add Coles to the roster, let's take a look at the rest of the rapidly thinning receiver market to develop a contingency plan.
Oldies, maybe goodies
Coles caught the attention of the Bills because, even though he's a bit older than most free agents they consider at age 31, he's been productive and durable every season he's been in the league. He's a threat, and he's young enough and injury-free enough to consistently pull coverage away from Evans just by being on the field.
There are two veteran receivers whose name recognition might theoretically allow Buffalo the same convenience offensively - former Colts star Marvin Harrison, and former Buccaneers speedster Joey Galloway. Harrison will be 37 in August; Galloway turns 38 in November. Harrison has already reportedly received interest from the Dolphins, but neither is a likely target for Buffalo based on their age. It's too much of a risk to waste valuable dollars, even on a short-term deal, on receivers on their last legs. Moving on.
36-year-old Bobby Engram (formerly of Seattle) and former Giant Amani Toomer (35 in September) are two other aging veterans that, unlike Harrison and Galloway, won't command larger salaries and play a different style of football. Both are known as possession-type receivers that excel in the short areas of the field; neither is renowned athletically, but have sustained lengthy careers by making clutch plays. However, can either player be considered enough of a threat to consistently pull coverage away from Evans? That's certainly debatable. Making a trade for a player like Torry Holt is an option as well, but unlikely, considering the Bills are already entertaining a trade for Chiefs guard Brian Waters.
The Young and the Risky
There are younger, riskier options the Bills might consider as well. Devery Henderson has always had elite tools, and he'll only be 27 years old this May. But he's never caught more than 32 passes in a season, a feat that doesn't even match the career-best output of our very own Roscoe Parrish. Brandon Lloyd will be 28 in July, but he'll be moving on to his third team in four years, and he's another guy who's never fully tapped into his potential.
Sadly, names like Henderson and Lloyd represent the upper tier of the rest of the free agent receiving class. The notoriously weak group of available wide receivers has been severely depleted over the past few days. One might make the argument - and yeah, I'll go ahead and do it now - that Coles is the only receiver available that would give Buffalo the type of threat it needs opposite Evans. The rest of these receivers each have strengths, but ultimately, none is a smart investment. It's "Coles or bust" for the Bills.
Where to turn?
Chances are strong that if the Bills miss on Coles - and as of press time, that's far from a certainty - Buffalo won't seriously consider other veteran receiver options. They are far more likely to finish building their offensive line and search for depth/role players at other positions, including a third running back and possibly a defensive lineman. Cornerback remains a strong possibility as well, depending, of course, on what ultimately happens with free agent Jabari Greer.
That was their plan all along. We knew that the team had prioritized backup quarterback and center going into free agency, and those two areas were taken care of quickly. The team still has needs, but don't expect them to fill more than one or two of those holes with veterans. They've shown that they're comfortable leaving needs open for the draft over the past two seasons, and history seems likely to repeat itself.
So it's probably Coles or maintain the receiving status quo, and if that's the case, it's hard to blame the team. It's not good business to reach for impact when it's likely not there, particularly when your receiver depth chart is as muddled as Buffalo's. Agree or disagree, but beyond Coles, not much is likely to change for Lee Evans this off-season.
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Looks like we will need to draft Pettigrew
Henderson might be worth taking a chance on given his incredible speed now that the other good veteran WR options are gone, but as Brian says he has very inconsistent hands. What all of this means, I think, is that acquiring a really good pass-catching TE in the draft becomes more important than ever. I was hoping for either Shawn Nelson or Jared Cook in round two, but now I wonder if the Bills need to take Pettigrew in round one since he is likely the most NFL-ready of this year’s TE crop. We might be able to trade down a little and still get him, giving us an extra second rounder, but probably it means using #11 on him. Perhaps it would be worth overpaying for Coles to get more flexibility in the draft.
by Macktruck on Mar 3, 2009 10:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think if theres one player we should overpay this year, it's Coles
Otherwise Pettigrew becomes our defacto pick at 11, and i’m sorry to say, but i’m really not big on him.
But to be totaly honest i think OBD was going to draft pettigrew whether we had coles or not.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Crabtree is available at #11,
I think he would deserve serious consideration.
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by Fort Worth on Mar 3, 2009 10:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I take him
Because he is the best player available.
In a dream I had we traded up to Detroit’s pick and took Aaron Curry. Never gonna happen, but oh well
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by killascript on Mar 3, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you actually want that to happen? Buffalo would have to give up a ton and then pay Curry like 60 mil.
by kaisertown on Mar 3, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
It was just inside a weird dream
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by killascript on Mar 3, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree would be great trade bait!
If Crabtree drops to 11th, we would have our pick of trade partners.
Then get Pettigrew, Barwin & Mack
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by keysh67 on Mar 3, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, Crabtree would be an exciting pick, but if he is still there, then trading down is probably the smartest thing to do.
by kaisertown on Mar 3, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pettigrew = NO THANKS!
In today’s NFL you have to have some sort of speed and Pettigrew is a speed bump.
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by Cutter3636 on Mar 3, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Select the BAP, or trade and obtain value greater than or equal to the BAP.
In this draft in particular (not all drafts), I’m hearing there is excellent value around picks 20-60. There also could be a hole, or a significant drop in grades, around pick #10.
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by Fort Worth on Mar 3, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The excellent value from 20-60 will see 4 players going to NE.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 3, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn it!
Well, there are 36 other opportunites in that range for the Bills to take advantage of! HaHaHa.
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by Fort Worth on Mar 3, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Crabtree is available at #11
then I would bet that the Eagles might be willing to give up one of their firsts and a second for him
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by poz on Mar 3, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is Coles or bust. If the Bills fail to add Coles, they won’t add any WR, unless somebody they like drops in their lap on draft day.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 3, 2009 10:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Anyone else isn’t much of an upgrade over what we have so we won’t cut a WR just to have a FA that isn’t any better.
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by killascript on Mar 3, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I’ve been saying all along that I would like the Bills to sign a WR under one of these circumstances:
1 – He is a legit and substantial upgrade over Josh Reed. To me, TJ Housh and Coles were the only two guys who really fit that.
2 – He is super cheap and can fill a specific role. In other words if Buffalo can get Amani Toomer for a couple years at a couple mil per, I think he is worth it even if all he does is play in the red zone and mentor the young kids. Or you could sign Engram to play in multi WR sets and be a good influence or sign a garbage player like Ashely Lelie to fill out the roster and provide a second deep threat when Buffalo spreads the field in 3 and 4 WR sets. But I can’t stress enough how important it is that these types of signings be short term contracts with modest salaries.
3 – He is a late® round draft pick who the team really likes
by kaisertown on Mar 3, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea
but what’s most important is if you think we have QUALITY WR’s on this roster. Reed, Parrish, Hardy, Johnson, Jenkins, are all 3,4 or 5th WR’s. None of them can claim #2 role. You have to have two. And being Evans isn’t Andre Johnson or Randy Moss, he needs significant threat opposite him. If anyone doesn’t think WR or a pass-catching TE is Priority 1A or 1B, they haven’t watched the Bills inept offense. No matter how good our run game is, this offense will fail to score points where it matters most, the RED ZONE, if we don’t get guys at #2 WR or pass-catching TE that can get open consistently
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Mar 3, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it is possible that our #2 is on the roster in Johnson or Hardy in that order.
Can’t dismiss that possbility – one of them could turn into something special. Isn’t that what we want anyways? Draft players to…you know…actually play and become good. I know thats what I want – and I think we might be o.k.
Plus we never considered (well we probably have) that maybe a larger issue is Trent.
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by J2 on Mar 3, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Plus we never considered (well we probably have) that maybe a larger issue is Trent."
The jury is still very much out.
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by Fort Worth on Mar 3, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hardy
and johnson “MAY” be that #2 guy, but you don’t ever keep trying to find that #2 guy. IMO, hope is not good enough. The Titans drafted Lendale White in the 2nd round, Chris Henry in the 2nd then Chris Johnson in the 1st 3 consecutive years at RB. Just cuz you draft a guy doesn’t mean you hope on him. The Bills have been hoping Whitner and guys like Roscoe actually make plays at Safety and WR for years, and they haven’t. IMO, the Bills should be drafting another QB this year, in case Trent proves he can’t cut it. Constant re-stocking at positions is needed. I don’t see a #2 on our roster at all. And the point that maybe it is TRENT is completely valid. But if anyone watched last year and thinks that garbage pile or pass-catchers is good enough to score points in the red zone vs the Pats, Jets and Phins twice and defenses like the Titans, Panthers, Bucs and Colts in 2009, you are sorely mistaken
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Mar 3, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol – geez Marv – sound a little peeved there
I don’t see a #2 on our roster at all
really? not at all? I at least see Johnson as a possbility of a #2.
and I don’t mean to rest on my laurels here either – but would I be upset if we didn’t add another WR? absolutely not – I think you build via the draft. Adding Coles would be weldome – but not necessary – I think TE is more necessary than WR#2 at this point. I also feel that since the likely hood of us going to the playoffs next year is low – play these younger guys and see what we have….you know…develope them like teams are suppose to.
unless your confident in taking the next step when we play the AFC/NFC south next year.
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by J2 on Mar 3, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
a fire lights under me anytime we talk offensive skill positions…i’ve watched a lot of tape on my DVR and i’m astonished at a) how bad Trent looked a lot of the time and b) how easy it is to defend our offense because defenses just double Lee all day and no one else can get open consistently.,…so it bothers the bejeezers out of me if we go into next season with Reed as our #2, Hardy coming off ACL surgery and a bunch of other unproven chumps
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Mar 3, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why running the ball effectively is what we need to do.
Trent is nothing more than a mediocre QB. If we want to win, we need to run the ball well, and often.
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by Kurupt on Mar 3, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can live with our current WRs and Trent...
If we run the ball 60% of the time.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say that Trent is mediocre
sure he hasn’t lived up to the initial praise that he got, but thats cause most ppl were calling him the second comming of joe montana.
Trent isn’t a great QB, but heis a quality starter that can win games as long as he stays healthy.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I just don’t think there is a WR capable being a better #2 than Josh Reed is unless the Bills sign Coles. Amani Toomer was a bigger part of the NYG offensive gameplan than Reed was last year, played in all 16 games and still finished the year with considerably fewer catches. Bobby Engram is a better example of a slot only type player than Reed is. I think Galloway is finished and Marvin Harrison is pretty much shot too. Brandon Llyod just isn’t better than Reed in any way.
I list as my number one thing that if you can find an upgrade to Josh Reed, then go ahead and sign the guy, I just don’t think any of the players Brian listed really present an upgrade.
Remember last offseason when everyone was down on Reed and everybody was predicting that Hardy AND Parrish were going to have better seasons. I bet we are all stupid (or endlessly hopeful) enough to still believe that Buffalo could sign Devery Henderson and get better production from him than we would Josh Reed. I just don’t see it happening that way, if you don’t sign Coles, you can’t upgrade the #2 spot no matter how hard you try or who you sign.
by kaisertown on Mar 3, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Reed
often gets lost in coverage and doesn’t find his way out. If you bump him on the line he has a hard time separating from DBs and getting into his route. Reed does have good hands but at times lacks confidence, dropping the ball. Reed is an average receiver at best and he is just like everyone else we have = TOO SMALL.
At 6’1" I think Steve Johnson is a bigger target with good hands and he and Trent seem to like each other. Watch out for this combination.
HUGE SIDE NOTE – Why is it that receivers aren’t put in motion (especially Evans) to create mismatches?
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by Cutter3636 on Mar 3, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you listening TURK? TURK = TERRIBLE COACH. “Timeouts in the first half are useless. Well if I call a play and Marshawn is on the bench, I have to change the play.” WOW.
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by Cutter3636 on Mar 3, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reed
Josh Reed has indeed had the dropsies from time to time (notably in his 2nd year with the team), but I believe those days are largely behind him. As a third receiver, he has made a number of clutch catches and still has value in that role. I agree that he doesn’t do well getting open against DB’s so his role on the team is limited.
I also agree that Steve Johnson has shown flashes of being that intermediate threat receiver the Bills are seeking in someone like Coles. I’d rather the Bills take a chance on him and Hardy, than try to reach for an aged or 3rd tier WR if the Coles deal doesn’t happen.
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by NJBill on Mar 3, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya on Reed’s flaws, My point is that you aren’t going to bring in a WR with fewer flaws who can contribute more to this offense unless you sign Coles. And how can you say we should sign Engram and then go on to say that Reed is too small? They are practically identical in size.
by kaisertown on Mar 3, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reed didn't drop a ball last year...
at least none that I can verify.
Reed was between 32 and 40 in every major recieving stat outside of TDs in the league this year. He is better than average. He is more suited to be a slot WR, no doubt.
You want to talk about liking a WR? How did Trent do when Reed was out for two games? He stopped anticipating where guys were. Reed was always where Edwards knew he would be. I would love to see Johnson and Edwards develop a rapport but Edwards already has it with Reed.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you completely kaiser
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by poz on Mar 3, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope no one would expect Henderson to outproduce Reed because he flat out stinks. He could catch the occasional deep ball, if Trent ever threw one, but not much else…
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by Kurupt on Mar 3, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What if the Cards wanted Crabtree at 11, and offered Boldin and their 1st to the Bills? Would people be on that train?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 3, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That seems unlikely. You’re also assuming Crabtree drops draft position because of this foot thing. I’m not sure that’s necessarily the case. If he is as complete a talent as he’s been made out to be, the Seahawks still take him at 4, because the only have 1 receiver worth a crap, and he just signed with the team yesterday.
by WhyBillsWhy on Mar 3, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would
be interested in Bobby Engram. This guy can still be very productive as a possession WR. I would love to add him if we don’t get Coles. I just wonder how badly Buffalo really wants Coles. Cuz if they do, there’s no reason they can’t outbid Cincy for his services
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Mar 3, 2009 10:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I too like Engram. He is a very good possession receiver that knows how to get open and MOVE THE CHAINS. Currently the Bills have no receiver on the roster that can MOVE THE CHAINS. I find this not only baffling but completely absurd. If you cannot sustain drives you can’t put the ball in the end zone. Josh Reed might be your only case for moving the chains but he is small in stature and is HURT ALL THE TIME.
I think Steve Johnson IS THE MAN and he will become a HUGE ASSET if he can stay healthy.
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by Cutter3636 on Mar 3, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Reed has missed 11 games in his 7 year career. I wouldn’t exactly call that injury prone.
How is Engram a better chain moving player than Reed. I really like Bobby Engram as a player, but if I have one problem with signing him its because he is the exact same type of player that Reed is. Reed averaged about 3 first downs per game, which isn’t exactly impressive, but it was good for for about the 30-35 most of any WR in the league.
Bobby Engram on the other hand averaged about 2 per game (granted with dreadful QB play). He did average 4 first downs per game during his great 2007 season, but only averaged 2 per game in 2006. And if you want to see an injury prone player take a look at Engram’s career. He has missed 18 games over the last 5 years and at age 36, that is only likely to get worse.
by kaisertown on Mar 3, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fully agree
however Josh Reed has a bad back. Receivers with back problems don’t tend to last very long in this league with surgery or no surgery.
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by Cutter3636 on Mar 3, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Engram has Grave’s disease which isn’t exactly a walk in the park either. And Reed missed his games this year due to an ankle/achilles injury. He was on the injury report with back spasms, but that didn’t stop him from finishing the year with some strong performances. The back had been a problem and he did have offseason surgery on it, but until it really affects him on the field, I’m not going to worry about it.
by kaisertown on Mar 3, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant he had surgery last offseason, not this offseason.
by kaisertown on Mar 3, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in all honesty I think if we fail to produce a receiving tight end THIS YEAR, this whole conversation might as well be MOOT.
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by Cutter3636 on Mar 3, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and next year...
Jauron fired, Shannahan hired, trade for Cutler, and draft Jermaine Gresham! LOL.
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by Fort Worth on Mar 3, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that’s just wow. I’m a Trent fan, but that series of events would blow fans away.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 3, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot can happen in 1 year, you never know.
It could all end up for the better. I’m not getting my hopes up, though.
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by Fort Worth on Mar 3, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reed is hurt all the time? What about Engram? He has played in 16 games just once in the last five years, a total of just 62 games.
If Josh Reed isn’t a guy that moves the chains to you, I don’t know what to tell you. That’s pretty much all he does, and Engram is no better at it than him.;
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by Kurupt on Mar 3, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You blast Reed above but the guys is who moved the chains this year...
half his catches were for first downs!
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reed is better than Engram...
Why sign another possession guy? Especially if you think Steve Johnson is cpaable of that role.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree fully
I’ll take it a step further; I was wasn’t doing cartwheels over Coles to begin with.
And we don’t have to take Pettigrew in the 1st round, unless we are able to trade down. I’d rather use the 1st rounder on another position of need, and then draft Cook or Casey in Rd. 2. Both of them are converted WRs who can stretch the field.
I've been feeling Buffalo ill.
by ChipShot on Mar 3, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just don't think
this is enough to ensure the crucial development of Edwards. Every young QB (IMO), needs the necessary weapons around him to help him develop. I know some QB’s are so good that they come in and make everyone else better. But in Edwards case, he just isn’t going to get there with young WR’s, Evans, and a rookie TE.
by Buffalonian on Mar 3, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Being horizontal is worse for a QB's development
It would be nice to have more than one receiving toys, but the Bills seem to be addressing the more pressing need to keep Trent upright, which has the benefit of improving the running game as well. Also, I think that the play calling also limited the effectiveness of the receivers. Cutter (see above) makes a good point that the Bills don’t seem to put their receivers in motion enough. I don’t have any statistics to validate this, but I do remember several games where the offense looked pretty vanilla.
I do agree that a veteran WR with his skills not yet in decline would do a lot for our young QB; unfortunately, there aren’t many available these days and the team has so many other priorities that breaking the bank on one isn’t feasible.
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by NJBill on Mar 3, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still like Ronald Curry
6’2" 210lbs, great hands, decent speed, good possession receiver with 7 years experience. He most definitely would be an improvement over our young guys and would be a good stop gap while they develop. The other huge advantage is that Curry would come fairly cheap.
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by keysh67 on Mar 3, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m not sure how Curry didn’t make it into Brian’s article. If nothing else, he is like 10X better than Brandon Lloyd.
by kaisertown on Mar 3, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Curry is a decent receiver but a HORRIBLE route runner. There is a reason he hasn’t flourished or become a big name in the NFL.
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by Cutter3636 on Mar 3, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that he isn’t the best option, but he isn’t any worse than guys like Lloyd
by kaisertown on Mar 3, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lloyd = terrible AMEN
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by Cutter3636 on Mar 3, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but a HORRIBLE route runner
Based on what? How do you know this? Is this based on a scouting report of some sort? Horrible in CAPS is quite strong a statement…
I do not have the benefit of having watched him because I am always watching the Bills but the few times that I did see him he looked quite good to me. ESPN Insider says:
2008 Season Outlook
Curry is big and fast, and he stayed healthy for the second straight year after a series of dire knee problems earlier in his career. But with the Raiders stumbling badly on offense, there weren’t a lot of plays to be made in ‘07, and Curry caught just 55 passes on just 97 targets. JaMarcus Russell has a giant arm but is untested, and Javon Walker will man the deep routes as long as he’s healthy, leaving the underneath stuff for Curry. Because he’s a leaper, Curry would be a terrific red zone threat in the rare occurrences that Oakland gets there. But with rookie Darren McFadden in the fold, the Raiders will be sorely tempted to ram in touchdowns via their ground game.
Insider Comment:
Curry appears to have made the transition from quarterback to wide receiver after six years in the NFL. He has a lot of natural skills, but is just now learning how to use them as a wide receiver as opposed to as a quarterback. He is explosive off the line of scrimmage and has enough deep speed to stretch the secondary down the seam. He is starting to show the ability to alter his speed to throw off the timing of defenders as they try to match his speed. But, he still needs work on developing a top-end gear to pull away from pursuit. He is a natural when it comes to catching the ball with his soft hands and can reach out to pluck the ball away from his body. He still needs some work on reaching down to catch low passes as opposed to sliding to the ground to make the catch. He has a tendency to stay with his route rather than break it off when the quarterback gets pressured. He can be inconsistent when it comes to adjusting his route to match the coverage. He looks more comfortable running his routes versus man coverage than he does versus zone coverage. He would probably look more comfortable in a situation where he is the No. 2 than the No. 1.
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by keysh67 on Mar 3, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Point is
if the Bills dont get a receiving threat at TE, I think their offensive woes continue to plague this team from reaching anything we equivocate to SUCCESS!
The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.
by Cutter3636 on Mar 3, 2009 11:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brian, you hit the nail on the head here:
As far as we can tell, adding a veteran receiver was never a major part of Buffalo’s free agency plans this year until Coles hit the market.
If not for Coles, where would this “big splash” be? It can’t be Fred Taylor, because he wouldn’t have impacted the team in a way that wasn’t there before.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 3, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
as of now
we have a back up QB who is another Ivy Leaguer, we seem to be stockpiling them, and a solid interior lineman pick up. I am really happy with hangartner, solid signing. However, I have to wonder like you Afghan, what this “big splash” is supposed to be?
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by poz on Mar 3, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Big Splash comment was one Brian made, not the organization. I guess that inner sanctum could find a way to use those words publically, but who knows.
To me, it seems like they picked a safe QB. Safe in the respect that he won’t dumb the team down, if called into action. Then also safe in that he really shouldn’t challenge Trent for the #1 job. They’re avoiding controversy, imo.
The Hangarter signing was necessary, so that’s not a splash. I really tire of their unwillingness to reveal what they pay players. It’s not like they’re the only team paying money to guys.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 3, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Go Broncos!
Just wanted to throw out there that Jim Leonhard agreed to a verbal commitment to join the Jets but at teh last minute the Broncos contacted and are trying to steal him. Yes!
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by poz on Mar 3, 2009 12:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
LOL why is that such a big deal? Leonhard’s pretty average.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 3, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Leonhard played well because of the system in B-more. He’s a player the Bills love to work on, but never seem able to coach up.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 3, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just hate
facing former bills in the division. The less the better
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by poz on Mar 3, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he had been average in Buffalo, he might still be here!
I still can’t believe teams are fawning over Leonhard. He was beyond bad in Buffalo.
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by Kurupt on Mar 3, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well we're going to find out one way or another
the Jets just signed him and I guess they did it by giving him the head start to get the starting job next to Rhodes
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by poz on Mar 3, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like Kenny Britt in round 2 is a more likely proposition these days (though still pretty unlikely).
Any chance we draft a WR this year? Or is a vet or bust? I think the latter, but there’s not much left out there.
Can we really go into another season with Reed as a starter and a guy like Parrish in the rotation?
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by Kurupt on Mar 3, 2009 1:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You just can't stop yourself can you? :-)
Can we really go into another season with Reed as a starter and a guy like Parrish in the rotation?
We can and probably will, though I expect Hardy or Johnson to take a step up this year and become a viable third option. I know you disagree on Hardy.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop myself with what?
Of course we will, but it doesn’t mean we’ll be any better with them.
I’d love for Hardy or Johnson to step up as a viable option, but I’m not counting on it. Both were raw coming into the league, and will continue to take time.
Even if I thought Hardy was going to become a very good player, I still wouldn’t expect it this year. He will be losing so much time in the summer due to his rehab, and be behind the 8 ball a bit. Of course, that doesn’t mean as much when there will still be spots to challenge for once he’s healthy.
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by Kurupt on Mar 3, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From bringing up Kenny Britt.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Brit will be around at second round for Bills, but if we don’t have a good vet WR signing this offseason, I’d love to see Bit drafted too.
On the other way, I read your comment K, about we need a running game, so it’s a good idea draft a wr or we should go after some RB, like Titans ?
by hightower_mc on Mar 3, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well we need to run the ball, and run it well. That’s pretty obvious, but we also need to get Trent some better weapons.
I think we’re pretty set at RB with Lynch and Jackson (and maybe even Jones if we sign him). The Titans picked Chris Johnson because they had LenWhale White and Chris Henry. Henry is flat out awful, and White is just a big, fat pile of suck. They needed a guy who could actually run the ball, we’ve got two guys who are good RB’s.
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by Kurupt on Mar 4, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy pile of suck, K! White is a fine #3 RB for any team.
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by thurman on Mar 4, 2009 2:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coles question for all.....
What’s known is the Bills have an offer on the table to Coles. What’s not is how much the offer is for and how many years, although I’m told it’s for three years for around $18-million. According to the source, Roosevelt Barnes, the agent for Coles is seeking a deal of $25-million over four years with at least $10-million being guaranteed. Coles left $6-million on the table with the New York Jets last week to become a free agent.
If any of that is true, why won’t the team just give him the 4 year $25M deal, structured similarly to the 3 year $18M deal? Just throw on a 4th year for $7m, but don’t guarantee it. I’d be all for that if it meant getting Coles here, since we’ll likely just cut him before that 4th year anyhow. Anybody else agree with this?
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by Kurupt on Mar 3, 2009 2:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
completely agree
just do it! Get it done!! Please! Cincy? We are going to lose a player to Cincy?
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by poz on Mar 3, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're definately right on the non-guaranteed 4th year...
like the Redskins deal for Haynesworth looks huge… but it’s really a 4 year 43M contract according to Mort.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what i
am saying! The 4th year is worthless anyhow
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Mar 3, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like Dawkins signing a 5 year deal with the Broncos. The guy is 35 does he really think that he will see year 3 in that deal much less year 4 or 5?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 3, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha I know
I saw 5 years and just chuckled. There’s no way he last more than 2 or 3.
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by Kurupt on Mar 3, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
crazy
3 year, $18 million and they are bulking at a 4th? It’s so hard to be a fan of this team w/ this front office. They give a guy like Kelsey a monster deal, but won’t add a 4th, meaningless year for Coles to get him in?!
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by jri111 on Mar 3, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If it’s true, then I obviously agree. I’m sure there is more to it than that, but if not, this is pretty ridiculous.
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by Kurupt on Mar 3, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll re-iterate what I said on another thread (or maybe it was here; I’m losing my mind today) – that part of the article isn’t verified, at least not on my behalf. I posted the link because it was consistent with what I’m hearing about Greer. I have no idea if the stuff about Coles is true.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 3, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just give him the fourth year
we can’t keep leaving Lee alone
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by poz on Mar 3, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow thats all they offered him
When we were first talking about getting Coles I suggested a 3 year 22-25M contract. The fact that we wcould get him for a 4 year 24M seems like a steel to my, why hasn’t OBD offered him tat yet?
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2009 2:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They may have offered him that. I’m guessing that’s probably around what they did offer him, so if true, adding the 4th year makes a ton of sense if they really want to get him.
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by Kurupt on Mar 3, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
rational thought
doesn’t apply to Buffalo’s front office
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by jri111 on Mar 3, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
8M per is what TJ H is making...
and I never thought Coles would make that type of money.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but lets be honest, if we would have offered him a 3y 22M he wouldn't have left without signing a contract
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So your ultimate goal was to have him stay and not leave...
It would probably take that much money…. In any event I still think we have the best opportunity to land him right now. That may change relatively quickly.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 3, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No that was not my goal
I was just saying if we would have offered him that he wouldn’t have left. that being said I still think we have a good chance of landing him at cheaper than what i mentioned above
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 3, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What if no one wants Coles for six a year, especially over four years or so?
What was his contract in NY again? He turned down six for this year, correct?
by krytime on Mar 4, 2009 1:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yup, he turned down 6 per year in NY
but I don’t know what was the length of the contract he turned down
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 8:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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