Post Combine and F/A Mock Draft
by Joe P. on Mar 3, 2009 11:35 PM EST
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Although F/A signings are not over with, I doubt the Bills will sign anyone else who will significantly change their draft plans. The only exception would be Waters, who would make taking a G/C in round two less probable because he would fill a hole at Guard and most likely take some draft picks to pull off the trade. That said, I doubt it happens, sooooooo......
1st (11) – DE, Aaron Maybin, Penn St – I am betting he is the next Jason Taylor. Has the most upside of any of the DEs. Will he make an impact his year, maybe not, but lets face it…we are not going to the playoffs this year anyway. We have time to let him grow.
2nd (42) – Center/Guard, Mack, Wood, or Unger in that order. I am not sure if we will have first pick or have to take who is left. Start him at guard and move him to center if Hangartner doesn’t work out this year.
3rd (75) - TE, Shawn Nelson – Is the vertical threat TE we should be looking to add. Has good speed, gets good separation, and has great hands. Might not last until round 3. If not, Travis Beckum should be there and I will be just as happy.
4th (107) - DT, Alex Magee – Purdue – At 295lbs, he is not the wide body I would like to see in the middle, but his is exceptionally quick and has the frame to put on a few pounds in a NFL lifting program. A great value in the 4th round.
5th ( ) - ILB, Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina – Time to put Poz on notice....step up or step to the outside. This guy is a poor man's Ray Maualuga. “At the combine, Brinkley showed flashes of the explosiveness he'd had before a torn ACL ruined his 2007 season. If healthy, he could surprise as a late-round gamble for a team needing an interior run-stuffer”- Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com
6th ( ) - FB, Quinn Johnson, LSU – A converted linebacker, he will not be afraid to blow people out of the hole. Tony Fiammetta could get the “local boy” nod and it wouldn’t bother me at all.
7th ( ) - QB, Brian Hoyer, Michigan State – I was hoping he would go more unnoticed, but he was ranked by ESPN analyst Todd McShay as the fifth best NFL prospect at his position. Hoyer said he's spoken with representatives of about 20 teams. He has good size, puts nice zip on the ball, and has good accuracy. Could he develop into the next Tom Brady?
There it is folks. What I would like to see happen in April as of March. Dig in and get your hands dirty!!!
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i would try
and trade down in the draft if pettigrew is left and gain another pick in the second or early third but idk who id pick. so kudos to u for doing the research lol
by billsstein on Mar 3, 2009 11:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks billsstein
I like the trade down idea too and I meant to include you in my response to keysh67.
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by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not bad Joe
not bad at all.
I’m liking Maybin more and more. I can’t disagree with that pick.
I’m not sure taking a C in round 2 is the way to go since it seems Hangartner will be the starter. I’d rather add a C in the 4th or so, there should be some quality players there, that can be a good reserve with potential to start.
Nelson will be a 2nd rounder, at the latest. Definitely won’t be lasting until #75. Put him at #42…
I really like Brinkley and that’d be a pretty good pickup. I think he’s perfectly suited for a 3-4 ILB role though. Bigger LB with average speed at best. He’d be a nice backup for us, but do we need a backup MLB with DiGi?
Don’t know much about Magee. I don’t want a smaller DT though, so that’s probably why I haven’t looked at him at all. Know anything else about him?
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by Kurupt on Mar 3, 2009 11:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks K
I can’t go TE any earlier than round 3 right now, to many other needs. Nelson would be a steal in the 3rd, but you are most likely right about Nelson being gone, thus Beckum as the backup pick.
I am just not ready to hand Hangartner the job without a good fight. Let him know he has to perform to get the job. At the very least, we need depth at C/G.
I think Brinkley can push Poz as early as next year if Poz doesn’t step up his game. Can DiGi do that?
Magee can easily put on 10 lbs in a year. Could be the heir to Stroud.
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shawn Nelson
will probably be gone by the 3rd, you’re right. Wes Bunting of the National Football Post actually has Nelson as the #1 rated TE coming out this year. He felt that his blocking is underrated and he is more of a vertical threat then Pettigrew.
by gatornation on Mar 4, 2009 8:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Change the 7th pick
I really don’t think we need another QB prospect to work with, I think that pick would better be suited to bolster our lines, offensive or defensive whatever is the best available at this point. I would most prefer some athletic raw talent in the 7th that has potential following a few years of solid coaching.
Other than that though I really like this mock and I’m personally a Maybin fan as well
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by ArenZimm on Mar 3, 2009 11:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We have a backup in Fitz, but where does that leave Hammy?
Draft Hoyer and see what he has got. Cut him after training camp and sign him to the practice squad if he can’t beat out Hamdan.
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by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They should just hire Hammy as Trent’s Life Coach since that’s all he really is. Free up a roster spot….
~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 4, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!!
He is Trent’s version of Stuart Smalley.
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when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hammy (via text message): Just remember, Trent, you’re good enough, you’re smart enough, and doggone it, people like you.
Trent: Thx Hammy, I’m going to forward this to Coach J. You always know what to say….Life Coach!
~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 4, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have a practice squad QB in Matt Baker don't we?
Not to be confused with TE Dustin Baker…..
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Baker is not worth taking up a spot on the PS
Baker signed as a free agent following the 2006 NFL Draft with the Houston Texans. He has also been a member of the Dallas Cowboys, New Orleans Saints, Arizona Cardinals and Miami Dolphins. Baker was claimed off waivers by the Buffalo Bills in 2008. He was waived/injured in August and placed on injured reserve.
From our fearless leader: “With less than two years’ accrued NFL experience, the Bills retain the rights to exclusively negotiate with Baker in the off-season. That’s unlikely to happen. Baker is a non-factor in Buffalo.”
I don’t think this guy has any upside.
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by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK... warm body I get it.
I was just commenting that we have a PS QB. We will probably have 4 in camp anyways so draft in the 7th or sign an undrafted guy…
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good job Joe!
I find Maybin very light for a DE but there is no denying his speed/quickness so I am warming to the idea. But like Billsstein said, I think I would prefer to trade down and get Pettigrew and then use my second 2nd rounder on Connor Barwin, who has a heck of a lot of potential to be a sack artist!
I’d go Sintim in the 3rd round otherwise Magee is good.
And you know how I feel about Quinn Johnson.
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by keysh67 on Mar 4, 2009 12:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks keysh67. The trade down senario is the best one for the Bills,
but at this point I can get my head around what that draft would look like. Too many possible trading partners depending on who goes where in F/A and if trades happen for players like Cutler and Boldin.
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by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Maybin bulked up to 250 for the combine.
He is capable of adding muscle.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gave it a solid B
probably would have been a B+ if that was an option.
If the Bills had to take a DE in round one (and they do), Maybin is my guy. He has the most upside and the quickest first step. In the first year he can be a pass rush specialist, bulk up and learn the N.F.L. game. Hopefully he can show enough improvement where we can dump Kelsey’s last year of his contract. Like K, i’m liking this pick more and more.
I like Center in round 2. Even w/ the Hangartner signing, I would LOVE LOVE LOVE having Mack fall to Buffalo in round 2. I really think this kid is going to be something special.
TE Nelson is round three is solid. Don’t know much about Magee and Brinkley, but Magee seems pretty small and I think Poz will take a big step forward this year. W/ the resigning of Digi, I don’t see the need for a MLB.
Love Quinn Johnson, of course. I hope Buffalo gets him.’
And finally, Hoyer in the 7th in intriguing. You never know when you are going to strike gold.
Overall Solid B+. The 4th and 5th round picks are the only thing that kept it from an A. Good job!
John I.
by jri111 on Mar 4, 2009 12:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks jri111
I will be on the look out for a run stuffing DT in the 4th/5th round range, but I have not been able to find one I like. I don’t think we move Poz outside this year. But with all the talk about moving Poz outside if we picked Ray M, I found Brinkley a very interesting option. I don’t think DiGi is starting material at MLB.
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Terrance Knighton DT Temple….
~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 4, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I will check him out.
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when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 7:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I think Everette Brown has a much quicker first step. They both have a high upside. I just think Brown will be gone, while Maybin should be available to us. That’s part of the reason he’s been growing on me, as I think he’s much more likely to be available. And I love his pass rush ability, more than Orakpo’s certainly.
~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 4, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Time to put Poz on notice....step up or step to the outside."
I’m not near ready to say this yet. He has only played one full year. It takes time to develop, especially with no pass rush, and only one or two more guys on the entire defense that can make a play.
Other than that comment, I commend you on a great job Joe. I would love for your mock to come true.
by Buffalonian on Mar 4, 2009 7:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like it too Joe.
My next mock is goign to look similar to this, assuming we sign either Cato June or Mike Peterson who are coming in this week.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 8:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Matt
With the Bills content to let Crowell go so easily, I am convinced they have a plan to replace him. The big question is what do the Bills want, a starter or depth?
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
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by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A few things
1 – Why no F in the poll? scared?
2 – I’m still not that high on Maybin. I’ve warmed to him a little but I still don’t know how much he will be able to help us this year. I get the thought that this team isn’t going anywhere so you can afford to let him grow, but I would rather somebody else. Maybe I’m too much of an optimistic homer, but I haven’t written off the play-offs just yet.
3 – I would add the name Duke Robinson in front of the Mack/Wood/Unger three some. He is a natural guard but if he is there (which is a slight possibility) he would be taken before those 3.
4 – I’ve talked about what I want at TE, and realize that it is in sharp contrast to what everyone else around here thinks. I won’t drum that up again, but simply say that Nelson isn’t my first choice, which I concede is different from what everyone else thinks.
5 – Hoyer? Not saying that he is a bad pick, but then who gets cut? I highly doubt that OBD keeps 4 QBs.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 9:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
5 – Hoyer? Not saying that he is a bad pick, but then who gets cut? I highly doubt that OBD keeps 4 QBs
.
They usually have 4 in camp right? Not such a big deal.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is no F because it was late and I ran out of smartass things to say :-)
Robinson would be a good pick as well. I decided to play it safe and go with one of the C who can play G as well. Of course the Bills would never go the “play it safe” route. :-) Cut Hammy and give Trent a big box of Puffs plus with lotion!
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by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I fixed that for you, unless you want me to change it back ;)
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha.
Too late for me to vote that way, though.
I gave it a B anyways. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if Brian Orakpo is their at pick 11 we need him
living in Texas and knowing the Bills need DE help, i seen Orakpo in person and watched him every saturday. He reminds me of Mario Williams. I think he will be a stud in the NFL.
by sanantobillsfan on Mar 4, 2009 9:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the blog sanantobillsfan!
You may or may not be familiar with our past UT failures. :-) I like Orakpo but I am so nervous about taking him.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fuel for the trade down idea
Giants looking to move up in the Draft?…With an extra second-round and extra fifth-round pick from New Orleans in the Jeremy Shockey trade, the Giants have nine picks in the 2009 Draft…"There are a lot of things that can happen before the draft, so who knows?" Gints GM Jerry Reese said Tuesday on a conference call. "We may not have that many picks by the time the draft rolls around. We’ll do what’s best for the Giants.
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by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 9:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
As I heard on the radio...
Belichek refused the first round pick from the Chiefs. He wants to stockpile valuable 2nd round picks. I would love to trade down if the top 3 DEs are off the board. Pick up a late first and a third… anybody?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a good plan for the Bills
Depending on how late the pick is and who falls (Sanchez or Crabtree for example), I might ask for a late first and late 2nd round pick.
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by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t trade down 15-20 picks and get back just a 3rd rounder. If you trade back into the 20’s, you have to get a 2nd, and if’ it’s the late 20’s, you may need to ask for more. It’s pointless to trade down that far for just a late 3rd round pick….
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by Kurupt on Mar 4, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
If the Bills were to trade down with the Giants they should get one of their extra 2nds.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fine by me.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Belichek refused the first round pick from the Chiefs
Sorry man. No way that happened. No way at all. He turned down the offer of the three way trade because he already had a deal with KC.
by krytime on Mar 4, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, kry, he likely didn’t want a first from KC, because they’d have had to give whatever guy they brought in a mega-deal.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys – that doesn’t make sense. He would have gladly taken the deal if Denver and TB would have made the pitch earlier.
Keep in mind, he would not have had to keep the pick. I know the disadvantages of drafting so high, and the money problems it can cause. But, they could have easily traded down, and acquired more than just the 2nd they got.
Honestly, if the Pats had the third pick in the draft, buy offering the pick up for less value than the trade charts would suggest would be an easy way to get rid of it. They could have gotten at least two 2nd rounders for it.
by krytime on Mar 4, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree w/ krytime
it would make no sense to pass up on a higher pick. At the very least that’s trade bait.
John I.
by jri111 on Mar 4, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But the point was nobody wants to trade into the top 10...
I think this was on Mike and Mike yesterday morning and Peter King was on Monday morning talking about it. Teams get saddled with bad players making big money (see Alex Smith in San Fran) because of being high draft picks. They were advocating for a rookie salary cap (for individuals) similar to the NBA where you are paid x amount of dollars for being drafted in spot 10, 11, 12 etc. The value, with value being the key word in all of this, is in the late first and the entire second rounds where you get 1st round talent for half the cost….
That’s what the Pats wanted was value, not being saddled with a huge contract.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MRW – I think you’re missing my point a little.
Completely agreed – no one wants to trade into the top ten for the reasons you said. With that said, I highly doubt NE would even think about keeping the pick. As much as I don’t like those stupid trade charts, the approximate value between the 3rd overall and the 2nd rounder they got is something like 1300 points. That’s the equivalent of say 2 2nds and a third or so. NE could have used that pick (3rd) and traded down, even if they wouldn’t have gotten “full value.” Even without “full value,” they’d probably come away with a better deal than the one they accepted.
For the record, I’m also completely in favor of a rookie wage scale. That’s the one thing I love about the NBA and it’s business. I’m sure it’ll be a factor in the next CBA too. I think the only ones who will oppose it are agents…
by krytime on Mar 4, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From NE's perspective it's great, even if they lsoe value.
I get it now.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like your thinking, krytime.
Maximize the value of your roster. However, if money is the issue, how many teams have traded in or out of the Top 5 in recent years when the money has gotten ridiculous (not counting the Manning/Rivers trade)?
By the way, compensatory picks are the only draft picks that can’t be traded, correct?
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by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
KC and the Chiefs are the same thing boss.
He didn’t want the Chiefs first round pick so he took a 2nd round pick from the Chiefs and a fifth.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice one Joe
love the prospec of getting Maybin, Wood and Johnson. just about the only pick I don’t like is the QB, but since he’s a seventh rounder he most likely wouldn’t make the roster anyways, so in the end i’m good.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 10:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mock
Don’t like your first pick, fourth pick or sixth pick.
Best case for the Bills.
The perfect situation is::
Trade #11 with Detroit for their 20th and 33rd.
Whoever Detroit takes with their 1st—QB or OT, they will need to grab the other quickly and using Buffalos 11th would be great for them.
So with the 20th selection Buffalo takes the best LB available ILB or OLB
with the 33rd pick they take Robert Ayers or David Veikune whoever is available.
With the 42nd pick they take Kraig Urbik OG Wisconsin
3rd round James Casey TE Rice
4th round Jonathan Luigs C Arkansas
5th round Sammie Lee Hill DT Stillman College
6th round Dominigue Edison WR Stephen Austin
7th round Everette Pedescleaux DE North Iowa
7thround
by Bob on Mar 4, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am all for the trade down idea,
but who would you like to be available at LB? Are you down with moving Poz to the strong side? I like Beckum better than Casey and will be surprised if Hill lasts until the 4th round. Do we really need any more developmental WRs?
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by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be surprised if Luigs lasted that long...
and we do not need another WR. Whether we sign Coles or not.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Joe!
I guess Todd McShay really sold you on the Jason Taylor comparison, huh? Honestly, unless a player like Curry or Crabtree is available at #11, I would prefer to trade down and acquire an additional late 1st or early 2nd round pick. And if I couldn’t trade down, what would I do? I’ll have to get back to you on that one (I’m still watching college games, working on evaluations, running out of space on DVR, etc.).
I like the idea of getting one of the top guards and/or centers in the second round. Yeah, Shawn Nelson would be a steal in the 3rd round. I haven’t watched Travis Beckum anywhere near frequent or close enough to have formulated any kind of opinion on him.
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by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 12:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have to admit he did,
plus I don’t see us making a serious playoff push this year. We have the time to let him put on some muscle and develop his run game. Seems like a perfect fit.
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when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
AMAZING WRITE UP JOE!!
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