Jason Peters vs Andre Smith

I defended Peters quite a bit, and I don’t regret it, but given his actions of late, i am pretty much through defending him. Of the top OTs in this draft, there really isn’t a single one of them that i don’t like. If the Bills front office likes Smith the best, okay fine by me.

Right now I would take a second round pick for Peters and draft an OT at 11.

im going to say im really tired of this annual cheese and wine festival that a certian UNDRAFTED overweight tightend turned left tackle directs and stars in. How arrogant can you be? The team works you out, gives you orphane butt a home and this is the nest you can do for them. WOW. the only reason i dont say trade him now is i think we have too many holes to fill without having to replace the left tackle who gave up more sacks then any other starting left tackle in the afc. If we do decide to get rid of the excess baggage (all 320 lbs.) then i hope we get just compensation for him, like enough pabst to forget his name. Jk but really a first and a third.

His playing ability is unquestionable, but his mental state scares me. He’s got Mike Williams written all over him according to me.

I’ve defended Peters before and have been weary of Smith, but you make some good points FA. I do worry a bit about how he’d handle NFL speed rushers and his weight. However, he is a very good player and probably a player worthy of being a borderline top 10 pick, even with his issues. Peters is starting to get on my nerves, so if it comes to the point where he is traded, so be it. I just want to make sure we get a player that will be a very good NFL LT to replace him. If it’s Smith, fine. We also need to get value for Peters, and that value is a 1st round pick, at least. Does it really do this team any good if we get a mid 2nd round pick and have to take Smith at #11? We’ve got to get a high pick for Peters simply because of what it’ll take to replace him.

Peters is worth more than a #1 draft pick. For crying out loud, Dallas traded a 1st, 3rd, and horse poop for Roy Williams.

A pro bowl LT tackle entering his prime is worth at least three day one draft picks.

I still think Michael Oher is the best OT in the Draft, but I’ve always liked Smith as well. Heck, Jason Smith and Monroe are pretty good too. It would depend on the availability; it’d be a pretty bad idea to move Peters without knowing for sure that one of those tackles would be available.

There’s a great deal of risk in moving Peters, particularly due to the fact that the trade would likely occur on draft day. I voted for Peters. Let’s see if we can’t talk him down a few million over the next few weeks.

If Smith drops to us at #11, we pick him up. We do not sell-out for anything less than a mid first rounder or a late + a 3rd for Peters. If we can’t move peters, then we make him play out his contract (3M/y is cheap for a LT). We have the rookie as an insurance policy and we have trade bait for the next 2 years…

Peters would be stuck between a rock and a very hard place because if he were to sit out again this year he could lose his starting spot to the rookie and then his value on the market will plunge. This is a business and I sure hope that OBD plays hardball on this one.

that could happen with Jason Peters—I’ve read somewhere that he doesn’t have to show up until week ten of the season to get credit for the year is that correct? Now add four weeks to get in shape and we’re at week fourteen before he’s up to speed-not good and he could do that for the next two years, really bad for us. So he may hold more cards than we think wouldn’t the team we try to trade him to want a contract in place before a trade takes place and does any other team willing to make him the highest paid LT in the league? Another point in his favor, to hold up the Bills. This is a real bad situation for us.

I still think they’ll sign Peters.

They’re talking and going back and forth at this piont. At a bare minimum that is a very good thing. So we should be optimistic in that regard. There is discussion.

He does come across selfish……well he is selfish because of holding out last year. I personally think you can get your message across differently than acting like a teenager. But the maturity and intelligence level of some of these guys makes me wonder sometimes.

I say just pay the man – even if its too much. Trade him in later years or cut the guy in a few years if you cannot afford him. The Bills are in win now mode. If they truly are in that mode, then plugging in a rookie LT in isn’t my idea of win now mode – regardless of perceived abilities of said player.

Proved to turn out some solid offensive tackles, including Jeff Otah, Jake Long, and Ryan Clady from Denver. Supposedly, Clady was playing at a Pro Bowl level before his injury. Otah had very high grade as a bookend with Jordan Gross, who is way better than Peters. Look at how Deangelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart ran all over teams last season. Before that, we had Joe Thomas at Cleveland who doesn’t give up too many sacks. I believe there are a lot more better tackles than Peters in the NFL, for him to demand top dollar.

We’re all quick to judge Peters’ poor sack ratio last year. Many of us realize that Dockery was a part of that. I’d love to see an analysis of the interior linemen next to the 31 players ahead of him. That would kind of put things in perspective for me.

Clearly Peters is the better player. Id say they are comparable in run blocking, but Peters would demolish Smith in Pass blocking with Peters agility. Smith is FAT. Bottom line. Now, he still produces at a HIGH LEVEL and many would say he is the TOP OT in this draft, and that was nearly a consensus 3 months ago. But his suspension for the Sugar Bowl, combined with him pulling a doozy at the Combine, definitely give him red flags. If you get a blue chip player like Smith, however at #11, that is clearly better value than Matthews.

I want Jason Peters resigned badly as I think he would be a top 2-3 OT if he spent the entire off-season at OBD, instead of reporting on day 1 of the regular season or week 10. However, if he doesn’t want to COMPROMISE at least some, then screw you. Time to move him and get fair compensation. Fair compensation is a 1st and 2 3rds. Id also take a 2nd and 2 3rds, or defer the 1st round pick to 2010 and take a 3rd and a 5th this year. Draft day trades like this would have to be orchestrated WAY b4 the draft. So if Smith pops up at #11, the Bills call Philly or whoever and say DEAL or NO DEAL?

Trade peters to Philly for a 2nd round and a 4th round. We can get talent to fill holes with at least 2 picks for Peters. Draft Smith or Oher. 2nd round get a OG and DE then in the 3rd and 4th get the TE and OLB’s Then the 5th – 7th draft guys who can provide depth at some of the positions we need – FB, SS, FS, and OL. I also like the idea of Nic Harris – Oklahoma as a free agent pick up as depth at OLB any thoughts.

I think he is a better player than Smith. He may not be the better value and he may be really irritating me but he is better than Smith. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush. We know what we get from Peters.

Would Peters take less money to play for a playoff team? If so, the ability to trade him is made much easier. I don’t see the Eagles giving up a first rounder for him if they have to pay him 12 mil, but if they can have him for 10, they might just do it. Otherwise they could just trade both of their firsts and move up to get who they want.

We also see that he is more worried about the money than producing on the field or the team. Smith I believe would be able to come in and start with no BS. That is what we want. If peters is all about the money let him go to get some and not cause us headache.

latest mock drafts I’ve seen all three of the top tackles are taken before we get a crack at them, now who do we get to repace Peters?

Is a LT really as important as the world thinks they are? Didn’t Mike Gandy make a rather old QB look great? Right, it wasn’t he alone that made it happen. As soon as someone shows Peters that he’s not the most important guy on the team, leverage might swing back their way.

Peters from Florio over pft

it sounds like the Bills are pretty adamant about trying to negotiate a new deal. But if in 2 weeks they realize it ain’t going to happen, then it’s time to move him, as the draft is only a mere 25 days away

You cant sign a contract for 5 years, then decide halfway through you are not making enough. You either sign for security (5 years), or negotiate for lesser term and then challenge FA. You cant have it both ways Jason. Hes a cankerous cancer motivated by ‘show me the money’.

Well done!!! Good post. I agree with you 100%. I voted for Peters starting on opening day, but I wish you would have given us a few more choices in your poll. If we already know Peters will not be there on opening day, than it is not a very realistic option.

If we end up needing a new LT in the draft, my guess is that we get Oher. Andre Smith is prognoisticated to go before the #11 pick by most. Kiper has him going #2 to the Rams. If he falls to us it would be a minor miracle somewhat like McKelvin last year.
I’d also agree with Brian that we would be ok with a rookie LT. The top 4 are all good.

I just noticed this was on the front page. Boomshockalocka.

I simply don’t understand why most Bills fans would rather start a rookie left tackle rather than a pro-bowl left tackle. Talent-wise, it makes absolutely no sense.

“Distraction in the locker room” is the biggest load of crap. You need guys who are excellent football players talent wise to win in this leauge. What is so ridiculous about paying up for Jason Peters? He’s a franchise left tackle!