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Bills OT Jason Peters may be traded prior to the 2009 NFL Draft.  The Philadelphia Eagles are rumored to be a potential suitor.  (Photo courtesy BuffaloBills.com)

Bills OT Jason Peters may be traded prior to the 2009 NFL Draft. The Philadelphia Eagles are rumored to be a potential suitor. (Photo courtesy BuffaloBills.com)

The popular story making the rounds in Buffalo Bills country is the sticky situation unfolding between the team and OT Jason Peters.  (Even though many would like you to believe it's WR Terrell Owens skipping voluntary workouts.)  Peters is reportedly seeking a contract from the Bills that would make him the NFL's highest-paid tackle.  The Bills won't go there, however, and COO Russ Brandon recently discussed the rather large gap that needs to be crossed if a deal is to be reached.  He also appears to have laid the groundwork for a potential trade of Peters, easily the hottest topic around these parts over the past few days.

When discussing a potential trade of Peters, the Philadelphia Eagles are the most frequently-cited team as a potential landing spot for our current left tackle.  Where do Eagles fans stand on Peters?  How receptive are they to the idea of dealing for 71?  What might they be willing to part with in exchange for our two-time Pro Bowl player?  JasonB of SB Nation's eagles blog, Bleeding Green Nation, is the perfect person to ask.  Below are his answers to my questions regarding a potential Peters trade (my questions in bold, his answers... not).

How desperate is Philly's need for an OT? I realize that you lost Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan, but signed Stacy Andrews.  Is there anyone waiting in the wings depth-wise, or is LT an urgent need right now?

The Eagles' general philosophy about the offensive line is to draft college OTs and plug them in wherever needed along the line. Last year, we started with an O-Line comprised of four guys who were OTs in college. Both of the Eagles' starting guards (Pro Bowler Shawn Andrews & USA Today All-Pro Todd Herremans) came into the NFL as tackles. They've even played OT at various times in their career. Both guys are very young and, as Andy Reid has admitted, want to play OT. Reid even said that they bug him about moving to OT "all the time." Reid also said as recently as this year that Shawn Andrews was "the finest OT" he'd ever seen coming out of college. So we've got two talented offensive linemen who played LT in college that appear willing and able to switch from guard to fill that LT spot vacated by Tra Thomas.

Plus, the Eagles have drafted a number of linemen the past few years that they've had playing guard - most notably Mike McGlynn and Max Jean-Gilles, who were both recent fourth round picks. So it does appear that the Eagles have prepared to move one of their starting guards to OT.

So it appears to me that the need for a LT is not terribly urgent.  However, the prospect of adding a Pro Bowl LT to the line without having to displace one of the Eagles' Pro Bowl (or near) guards has to be something that intruiges Andy Reid. So while an offensive line with Herremans or Andrews at LT and a young kid at OG would probably do the job, a line with Peters at LT and those two at guard will likely do the job better.

Stacy Andrews got 6 years and $42 million to play right tackle in Philly.  Jason Peters would command a pretty serious contract himself.  Do you think that Peters would be affordable as an Eagle?

There's two ways to look at this. Can the Eagles afford it? Sure. They've got over $30 million in cap space this year. So they can fit whatever Peters wants under the cap with no problem.

Much more from JasonB on Peters after the jump.

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As to whether they think he's worth it... that's another question. I imagine they would struggle with the same things the Bills organization probably is. Despite getting a Pro Bowl berth, Peters didn't have a great year last year. He was out of shape due to missing camp, got hurt, and gave up the most sacks of any LT in football. That doesn't exactly help your cause when you're trying to get a team to make you one of the highest paid OTs in football. So, it's hard to say whether they'd think it was worth it. I do know that Andy Reid values his linemen very highly. He absolutely believes in building his team from the lines out. The word was that if Jordan Gross hit the free agent market this year, the Eagles were ready to back up the Brinks truck for him... So they will spend a ton of money for a lineman, but would they for Peters? I don't know.

In your opinion, how legitimate is the Eagles' reported interest in Peters?  Is he a good fit for an Andy Reid offense?

There have been no concrete reports of any interest in Peters on behalf of the Eagles. I've read the rumors, but they've been nothing more than the usual whispers about tons of different players in a given off-season.

I think if he's healthy and at his best, Peters is a good fit in any offense. The way he pass blocked last year he certainly wouldn't fit too well here... but most people seem to think his struggles were a result of his holdout and that he took a long time to get into the flow of the season. I would tend to believe that. So if he was healthy and in camp on time, I would imagine he'd be a perfect fit here.

With a dozen draft picks in hand, the Eagles have some serious trade ammunition.  What do you think the Eagles would be willing to part with for Peters?

I would imagine that if the Eagles were indeed interested in Peters, they would be willing to part with one of their first-round picks and maybe something else for him. They've got a bunch of picks in the middle rounds, so one of those picks could certainly be packaged with the first.

I doubt they'd be willing to part with both firsts or a first and another high pick simply because of the added cost of acquiring Peters. Along with the package of picks, they'd need to give him a massive new contract. I suppose ultimately we'd have to know what other teams might offer and whether the Bills could drum up a bidding war for Peters.  If I had to guess at an absolute maximum package if the Eagles really loved Peters and thought they really needed him... I'd say a first and third.

Where do you think Peters ranks amongst this year's top OT prospects in the NFL Draft?

If he's healthy, in shape, motivated, and in camp on time I see no reason why he wouldn't be right at the top. If I was at the top of the draft and faced with the choice of picking Eugene Monroe, who hasn't played a down in the NFL, and paying him a ton of money or trading that pick for Peters, who is still young and has proven himself in the NFL, and paying him a truckload... it makes more sense to me to just take Peters.

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I've always respected the way the Eagles function in terms of personnel acquisition, and in particular the way they've drafted.  I've only ever seen one offensive lineman play poorly for them consistently, and that's Winston Justice.  They're a well-coached team that's consistently stocked with talent on the lines.  So while the idea of Peters-to-Philly has caught fire, I've remained skeptical that Philadelphia would ultimately end up being the top suitor for Peters.

Don't forget about that Stacy Andrews contract mentioned above.  He got $7 million per season; they've also got serious dollars tied up elsewhere, and may even re-work the deal of QB Donovan McNabb.  My hunch is that Peters would lower his contract demands were he to be traded to a different team, but that doesn't exactly mean he'd cheap out, either.  He's going to get at least $9M or $10M per season, wherever he ends up.  That's a serious factor to consider when discussing teams and possible compensation.

Philadelphia certainly has the picks to make a trade happen, and I'll agree with JasonB that the idea of Peters joining the Andrews brothers on that line has got to be enticing to a coach like Andy Reid.  The key here is that the Eagles don't have to bring in a tackle, as Jason noted - they probably will, but they probably don't need an instant starter or a guy with a large price tag.

I'm also not convinced that the Eagles would offer more than one first for Peters as Jason suggests, or even a first at all.  Any team would be trading not just for Peters, but for a potentially risky salary negotiation as well.  If they don't get a first, multiple picks are a virtual certainty, so the Eagles would still have the ammo to pull off a trade for Peters with a second round pick plus another pick before the fourth round.  A much more desirable destination, and a team to keep an eye on, however, is Detroit.  If the Lions choose to use their top pick on either QB Matthew Stafford or LB Aaron Curry, they've got a couple of picks (#20 and #33) that would look real nice to the Lions fan base if either returned Peters.  Detroit's the wild card in this, folks.  Don't make the mistake of thinking that Philadelphia is the only suitor - they're not even a suitor yet, and may never be.

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Good interiew Brian

I can’t help feeling like I am buy a car, and the salesman is telling me my two year old Hummer isn’t worth much because it gets bad gas mileage!!! Then, I see they have the same Hummer on the lot that they are selling for twice what they offered me for mine.

A first and a 3rd is the bare minimum I would trade Peters for. Throw in next years 2nd and I would feel like it was a fair deal.

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A first and a 3rd is the bare minimum I would trade Peters for. Throw in next years 2nd and I would feel like it was a fair deal.

While I agree with you, I think the most that we’d get, from any team, is a first and a third.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a first and a third? are you kidding me, that’s more than peters is worth. i would take that and run like hell. that way we can take pettigrew in the first round as well.

by jzoom45 on Mar 31, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said it’s the most we would get, not what we would likely get. And if we did manage to get a first and a third, I’d take it and run like hell too.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First and a Third

Tim Graham of ESPN says Bills likely won’t get a first rounder for Peters, they shouldn’t trade him unless they get at least that.

by BillsNYC on Mar 31, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they shouldn’t trade him unless they get at least that.

What’s their alternative, if I may ask?

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not trade him

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

… and do what? Have deja vu of 2008? Not only is that a terrible idea, but it’s terribly unrealistic.

Hate to say it, but if they can’t talk him down, they have to trade him. They CANNOT and WILL NOT let it drag on.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Throw him on IR for the year. I think that’d be a terrible thing to do, but he’s under contract, they can do what they want, and did it with Crowell which was an overreaction.

by BillsNYC on Mar 31, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and they took a TON of heat for the Crowell thing, too, didn’t they?

They’re different situations anyways. Crowell never held out. Peters already has, and probably will again.

Putting him on IR accomplishes nothing other than remaining hard-headed over the issue. Being hard-headed doesn’t let you win football games, and it certainly doesn’t magically increase a player’s trade value.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m still pissed off about how the whole Crowell situation went down. Ultimately, after it’s all said and done, I hope that the Bills are proven correct. As a Crowell fan, part of me will be rooting for Crowell to prove the Bills wrong, too. I suppose there is a scenario where it could work out to be the best for both parties, but I doubt it. It’s just frustrating to see a homegrown talent like that go to waste.

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by Fort Worth on Mar 31, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you’re saying take what we can get for him,, even if way under market value or make him the highest paid tackle? Do we know if Peters has the right to negotiate his new deal? That could be a trade stopper.

I think if the Bills threaten to bench/IR him, he’d lower his demands, because he’s money hungry and he won’t have a higher value than he does now. It would also drive up his price. The Bills need to throw gauntlet down.

Maybe the Bills already have a trade partner, sounds like it from Geronimo’s post the other night.

by BillsNYC on Mar 31, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think if the Bills threaten to bench/IR him, he’d lower his demands, because he’s money hungry and he won’t have a higher value than he does now.

That’s another area that I don’t necessarily agree with. I don’t think Peters is money-hungry – let’s face it; anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention to the NFL KNOWS that Peters isn’t worth being the top-paid tackle in the game. Peters/Parker know this too. I honestly believe that they’re making that demand of Buffalo to force their hand. I think he wants out of Buffalo.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s why I asked in Geranomo’s post if Peters would be willing to take less money elsewhere, and this was just a way to get traded. If that’s the case this is a whole different situation, although the Bills can’t just hand him away.

However, if he wanted to get traded why show up last year and not force their hand then when he was coming off a top season?

by BillsNYC on Mar 31, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess would be that he thought he had a better shot at the big deal last year, when he wasn’t coming off a crap-tastic season.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure that I buy that Peters wants out of Buffalo. If he did, wouldn’t he just request/demand a trade? He would be far from the first player to do that.

by kaisertown on Mar 31, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could certainly do that, but he’s close to getting the wish without the general bitchiness of a trade demand, isn’t he?

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but demanding the biggest contract for an offensive lineman in history and not budging one bit (assuming that is what he is doing while hoping to force Buffalo’s hand into trading him) is pretty bitchy too.

It just seems so much simpler for Peters to just tell the Bills that he wants to be traded, if in fact, that is what he wants.

by kaisertown on Mar 31, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He may end up doing it eventually. This situation is far from over. I still think he wants out.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

while i’m not sure i agree with the fact that he wants out of buffalo….if he was going to request/demand a trade, why hasn’t he done it yet? he didn’t get a contract worked out last year, and this year isn’t looking much better, so what’s he waiting for if he’s going to do it?

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by BenAllen on Apr 1, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn’t he just simply ask for a trade if that’s the case? Why go through all this BS and take all sorts of shots if that was his true intention?

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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure he could. But then he’d never know if the Bills would have given him top dollar, would he? Just because I think he wants out doesn’t mean I don’t think he’d stay if he was the league’s highest-paid tackle…

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 1, 2009 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think, despite the headaches we are getting from him, his agent is pretty good.

If Peters’ agent was Rosenhaus, this situation would be a lot messier than it is right now with Parker

by syrbillsfan on Apr 1, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A diplomatic aproache still doesn’t change the final result though.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 1, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're right Brian

It just doesn’t add up that Peters is requesting that kind of money, with only about a season and a half of “greatness” to base it. Most tackles, like Walter Jones for example, were playing at a pro bowl level for 3-5 whole seasons before cashing in the big paycheck. On the flipside, if he’s playing the gimme the money card in order to get out only, potential trade partners wouldn’t have to worry about the financials so much. I bet when we trade him, he’ll sign somewhere for about an $8-9 mill per season average. My question is do you think he’s gambling for a big bonus up front with lots of years in the deal, or less bonus, less years and a potential bigger contract later?

I say longer contract, bigger bonus upfront (Teams do that because of deferment) – 6 yrs, $45-55mil with salary and bonuses $30-40 mil in salary, $15 mil in bonuses. I’m probably way off, I don’t have much of a nose for the financial side of things.
 
I really think he’s gone, hopefully to Detroit for pick #20 and change.

by syrbillsfan on Apr 1, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do we know if Peters has the right to negotiate his new deal?

I think that if the Bills would allow Peters to shop himself he would also be allowed to negotiate a new deal with another team before the trade is done. It isn’t unherd of.

And I think that this would also be the scenario where the Bills would get the most in a trade, simply because a team could offer him top five money and then tell the bills he’s not worth that much in a trade.

I honestly believe that if the Bills truly want a 1st and a 3rd for Peters, the best way of getting that is to allow Peters to shop himself around.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that if the Bills would allow Peters to shop himself he would also be allowed to negotiate a new deal with another team before the trade is done. It isn’t unherd of.

Well there won’t be a trade happening if the Bills don’t allow Peters and other NFL team to negotiate. No team is going to be stupid enough to trade for Peters without discussing his new contract.

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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crowell was actually injured. Peters isn’t, and you can’t put an uninjured player on IR.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you want to be a rug, lie down....people will walk all over you.

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There’s a difference between letting someone walk all over you – which I’m not denying Peters would be doing in this situation – and being so dramatically stubborn that you let him fester for two years while completely sucking the solid trade value he currently has out of the entire scenario.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least in that situation, Peters is made to suffer too. And don't think he knows it.

How many players are willing to lose 3 years from their career?

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bills are an NFL franchise, though, Joe. They’re not going to keep their jobs by screwing a guy over just for the giggle. They need to win.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peters would be screwing himself.......the Bills just would be letting Peters screw them.

Would it hurt a little, yes…..but how would it be any different than if Peters had a season ending injury? Would that injury give Jauron another year?

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A season-ending injury is an uncontrollable situation. The Bills would VOLUNTARILY be letting Peters sit; it’s a completely different scenario. There’s a difference between involuntarily getting screwed and asking for it.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The result is the same

Peters would not be on the field for the Bills.

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes – which is NOT ideal for the Bills, no matter which way you slice it. So they can either a) not have Peters and get something in return, or b) not have Peters, let him sit, cut him in a year and let him walk away for free.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who starts at LT next year then?

1) Chambers
2) First Rounder
3) Second Rounder
4) Third Rounder
5) Other

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by BillsNYC on Mar 31, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS – love how this site just updates automatically!

Haha – that’s always been our major selling point. :)

I’d go with Chambers there, unless they were able to land an Andre Smith in the draft.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its awesome!

Bills are screwed if they have to use a top choice on a LT, its a lose lose situation if they dont’ get a first rounder for him.

by BillsNYC on Mar 31, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smith or Oher would be ahead of Chambers in my books, but they would be the only draftees that wouuld be ahead of Chambers. I just like Chamber’s versitility and ability to play aywahere on this line way to much to plug him in the LT spot automaticly.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts from an Eagles Fan

If Andre Smith is still on the Board at Pick #21 I think the situation changes quite a bit. Smith could step in and be a very decent replacement for Peters from Day One.

If Smith is there and the Eagles offered Pick #21 and a flip-flop of the two teams’ Round 2 and Round 3 picks, would you do the deal.

In effect the Bills would get Smith, Pick #53 and Pick #85 and the Eagles would get Peters and Pick #42 and Pick #75 from the Bills.

by mattwill on Apr 1, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a bad idea

Would you throw in a late round pick, say like a 5th rounder, to sweeten the deal for us a bit. I mean we would move you up in both rounds 2 and 3.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 1, 2009 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we could get that done. Would a 6th do?

by mattwill on Apr 1, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d rather get a 5th… i mean common you get Peters and you move up in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, no matter what you’d give us back, you’d still be the winners of this trade, so cut us a little slack. But yeah I do think that this would be a good trade for both teams.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 1, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Langston Walker would be an option too.

by kaisertown on Mar 31, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to ask that, can he man left tackle? I would think he’s too big, not fast enough.

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by BillsNYC on Mar 31, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would think he’s too big, not fast enough.

Not only that, but I really don’t think that he has the footwork necessary to be on the left side. He is a good RT, I say we leave him there.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, but considering he took over when Peters was holding out last year, I would say he will at least be considered by OBD depending on who Buffalo drafts to replace Peters.

by kaisertown on Mar 31, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a good one

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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why cut him in a year? Fine the hell out of him for the next two years, don't pay him

ban him from the facility, franchise him the 3rd year. Look him and his agent in the eye and tell them I swear to God that is what we will do. Want to bet he lowers his number? What to bet we get more for him in trade if the other team knows what is long term contract number looks like?

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like spite, so I like this idea.

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by thatguy34 on Mar 31, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again – that’s the stubborn approach, and does absolutely nothing to help your team win football games. And even if it succeeds in lowering his asking price so you can sign him, you get back a player that already has a terrible relationship with the team. Good… job?

It’s a terrible idea to make business decisions based on bitterness.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree if I were GM. I just meant, on a personal level, I like this idea.

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by thatguy34 on Mar 31, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He already doesn't like the Bills FO...that ship has sailed

What Peters is doing is extortion.

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Peters is theoretically doing is extortion. In reality, we have very little factual knowledge of what’s going on. All of my opinions are just that – opinion. Hunch.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where are Dockery’s text message updates from Peters?

Oh yeah, we cut him.

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by BillsNYC on Mar 31, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He already doesn’t like the Bills FO…

Do any of us?

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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a terrible idea to make business decisions based on bitterness.

So agreed…

by krytime on Apr 1, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The players union rep just had a stroke when reading this Joe. Don’t think that for a second the Bills could just start fining peters without him filing grievances against the Bills. They can’t just fine him, and there is even a cap on how much they can fine him.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 31, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you can’t ban someone from the facility and then still fine him. The union freaked when McNair got banned from the Titans even though everyone knew they were going to trade or cut him.

by kaisertown on Mar 31, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don’t have to ban him. You know his fat, lazy arse isn’t coming to work out anyway.

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by thatguy34 on Mar 31, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know you can't fine him after you ban him

If he sits out 10 games, then fine him for that. Then, pay him for the remaining 6 games, but ban him from the facility.

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But what does that accomplish?

by kaisertown on Mar 31, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

keeps him away from the team, sends a message to Peters and the other

players, doesn’t allow him access to the facility to train, so he has to do it on his own and pay for it.

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And how does that help the team more than trading him for a 2nd round pick (at worst)?

by kaisertown on Mar 31, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

short run, it doesn't.......long run, I believe it would.

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, by killing the chance any future free agent signs with this team.

And makes any other player who feels underpaid miserable. Great for the future of the franchise.

by syrbillsfan on Apr 1, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because free agents

currently have the Bills at the top of their list, right? We already have to overpay to get FAs so your argument is doesn’t make sense.

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by Joe P. on Apr 1, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peters would still get something he wants in that scenario – an accrued season and another year toward free agency.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but he pays a steep price for it.

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

… and the team pays a steeper price.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No matter what, the Bills are gonna end up taking this one up the tail pipe.

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by thatguy34 on Mar 31, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed. They have some control over the depth, though.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm….I’m still not fond of that imagery.

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by thatguy34 on Mar 31, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the Bills ahve any other option.

If Peters is going to be this much of an ass, then you pretty much have to trade him.

And yes Joe, I know that gives him EXACTLY what he want, but it also helps our team in trying to be sucessful. Unfortunatly at this point in thime, it seems that the best thing the OBD can do for the team is trade it’s best player.

It’s a b*tch of a situation, and I hate it just as much as Joe does. But I’m thinking that this is the best thing overall for the team.

…and ppl call TO a cancer.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need a wider web page, getting kinda narrow here :)

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by BillsNYC on Mar 31, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep – only thing I don’t like about this platform. Just means we’ve got a quality convo going when the comments are tiny.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can go up to the top right of the page, under the “search post and comments” thing, there are two buttons labeled narrow and wide. you can greatly widen the page by pressing the “wide” button.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You, sir, are the wind beneath my wings. Much better!

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by BillsNYC on Mar 31, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No problem… ofe course it just means that 5 posts later, we’re right back where we started.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Makes a huge difference though, only the great conversations make it over here. The narrow format half of them do.

Much thanks, even for a Canadian…..

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by BillsNYC on Mar 31, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he refuses to so up for work.....we don't have to paid him, correct?

And, he can be fine? Now I don’t know what the cap on fines are, but I would love to know how much $ it would cost the Bills to do it.

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he is eventually going to show up. So you then have to pay his salary once he does.

The real problem with this is that you gain nothing by trying to screw Peters over. Most of the fans would be pissed. The players on the Bills and around the league would be pissed. Your franchise is on ESPN all the time with the talking heads talking about how stupid you are. And worst of all, you get nothing in return for Peters.

by kaisertown on Mar 31, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are getting excited Joe, I can tell because your posts are starting to look like a CBF post.

Take a deep breath buddy.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 31, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I need to step away from this

Time for me to go my martial arts class and beat the hell out of the heavy bag. I think I will call it “dough boy” today :-)

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL! :)

Just paint a big “71” on it.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can tell because your posts are starting to look like a CBF post

What is that supose to mean? what’s wrong with my posts?

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was another (harmless, because it’s Eric) jab at that Canadian spelling of yours. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats what I was guessing. I was just it was all aboot ;-)

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha, It’s good to see you have a sense of humor. No offense (offence), but I laugh every time I see you spell something like centre. Funny the little differences are that ammusing to me.

by kaisertown on Mar 31, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

This comming from the guy who has a CFL/NFL pick as his avatar.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I can take all that Miley Cyrus flak, the you can take some over a little screwy spelling.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 31, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll gladly take it

Besides, I knew that I’d take some flak when I took on the mission to reform all of your american spelling mistakes ;-)

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hate to say it, but if they can’t talk him down, they have to trade him. They CANNOT and WILL NOT let it drag on.

I, unfrtunatly, think your dead on on that assesment Brian.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only reason they can't is because they don't have the "brass" to pay hard ball

Screw it. Trade him for a 2nd rounder and then in a few years we can watch, “The top 5 reasons you can’t blame the Bills for trading Jason Peters”. This gutless approach to this situation is the same gutless approach to the game I see from the coaching staff on Sundays. It makes me want to puke!!!!!!

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sense some serious frustration comming from you Joe. Sick of our FO?

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You will rarely see me use the word hate,

but I hate a coward!!!!

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You and I have a very different definition of the word “gutless”. I, personally, think you have to have oodles of testosterone pumping through your body to even entertain the idea of trading a player as talented as Peters, particularly for the level of compensation they’re likely to get.

The gutless you’re referring to I read as “stubborn”. Stubborn teams don’t win. Teams that maximize value out of bad situations do.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes we do

It doesn’t take guts to let a player force you into taking less value for him than he himself feels he is worth just because you are afraid you might have to let him sit.

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn’t take guts to let a player force you into taking less value for him than he himself feels he is worth just because you are afraid you might have to let him sit.

Again, this goes back to what his perceived self-worth is. I believe that were he to go to another NFL team, he’d take less money.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No... it goes to what his actual worth is to any other team in the NFL

If NOBODY is willing to pay him what he is worth, then he is not worth that much. Now if Peters just doesn’t want to play for the Bills, which I have said a long time ago, then that is different.

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now if Peters just doesn’t want to play for the Bills, which I have said a long time ago, then that is different.

And that’s where, I think, our fundamental disagreement arose, Joe – in that misunderstanding. I do not think Peters wants to be in Buffalo.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

then Peters should demand a trade

By doing things this way, he screws us because we have to replace him, and he screws us because we can’t get value for him if we trade him because everyone thinks he wants to be paid more than he is worth.

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now there’s something you and I can agree on. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, NFL teams aren't allowed rosters big enough just to let a guy "sit"

If the Bills could carry 90 players like a college team, then fine, let him sit and you can see that he wasn’t as valuable as everyone here seems to think he is. They can’t carry that many, so every spot with an available warm body is valuable, especially for the Bills who keep players for special teams purposes only.

by syrbillsfan on Apr 1, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is doing what is best for your team and your fans gutless? Screwing Peters over at the cost of gaining valuable draft picks is the most non-sensical way that Buffalo can handle this situation.

by kaisertown on Mar 31, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but that is the point. How much are we gaining if all we get is a 2nd round pick?

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We’d need at least a first rounderer to make any Peters trade actually worth it.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any trade is better than getting nothing in return if we keep him.

If he stays, it will end up being under his current contract – holdouts, etc., after the year his trade value would be even less, and the Bills would be forced to cut him and move on.

If we get a 2nd and change, we’ll just have to take our lumps. The key to a trade is that we MUST get multiple picks in return, hopefully a 1st rounder, but if that isn’t available, any trade involving multiple picks would have to do. As far as filling holes on our line, the more picks we can procure the better, if we get enough picks you might see the Brian Waters trade pop up on draft day.

by syrbillsfan on Apr 1, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess this comes down to the fact that your willing to settle for a 2nd rounder and something else later. I’m not, I want a first rounder, even if thats all we get.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 1, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Much more than not getting anything.

by kaisertown on Mar 31, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can say that for 3 years.

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

before it is actually true

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But eventually it is true.

The logic is simple. The Bills could get draft picks for Peters by trading him, or they could get nothing by not trading him and not signing him. How can getting nothing possibly be better than getting something?

by kaisertown on Mar 31, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Three years is a long time to hold out

Look….I get it…..I just hate to see the bad guy win. Jason Peters is a S.O.B!!!!!!

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

And i LOATH to see him win too Joe, but the best thing for the Bills, as a team, is to trade him. It sucks, it blows, it’s infuriating, but it’s also the truth… now excuse me while i go clean up so vomit.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deep breathes Joe, deep breathes…

Think of it this way, maybe the Bills can dump Peters on the Lions, and while he gets his fat new contract, he spends a decade losing with the Lions, while watching the Bills become perennial playoff contenders. He gets so miserable that when the Lions and Bills play each other, he gets abused by Chris Kelsay.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 31, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that would be fun, but

can’t we slash the tires on has car or light a flaming bag of dog poop on his door step???

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we do all 3? I want to do all 3.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You better stay out of it

We will need someplace to crash when we have to flee the country :-)

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROFL

I’ll get the couch ready

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He gets so miserable that when the Lions and Bills play each other, he gets abused by Chris Kelsay.

HA!

HA!!!!

HAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

As if that would ever happen. Peters can put on 800 lbs, get moved onto the field with a forklift and even be pronounced clinically dead and Kelsay still wouldn’t be able to beat him for a sack.

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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

HA!

Did I ever mention that I love your sinicism K? You find a way to insult Kelsey even when everyone else is insulting Peters… heck you even managed to insult Peters while insulting Kelsey… classic.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 1, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I try my best. I don’t want anyone to think I’m slipping. I can’t just give up my campaign against Kelsay now. I must go on!!

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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew that you would love that line.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 1, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hate to say it, but if they can’t talk him down, they have to trade him.

Someone call in a hostage negotiator

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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could we get Samuel L. Jackson or Kevin Spacey?

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by thatguy34 on Apr 1, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is it unfortunate to get this situation resolved one way or another?

If it means saying bye to Peters, who doesn’t seem to want to be here and accordingly would probably play that way, then so be it. Giving him a huge contract would only make the Bills’ problems worse, not better. Trade him away ASAP for what value you can get, and be done with it.

by syrbillsfan on Apr 1, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just can't see the eagles willing to dump that much money into their OT position... In order to make the trade their must be a team willing to pay peters at least 12 mill a year

i think he is definately worth a 1st and a 3rd, but you also have to factor in his contract, which he wants redone, renewed, extended, whatever, and not only that but he wants to be the highest paid O-lineman in the game, and by a lot. so considering those factors maybe that trade would only be worth a 2nd.

But then again maybe i team wouldn’t want to the responsibility of signing a 1st rounder and peters so maybe they would be willing to part w/ the 1st.

by Shovel51 on Mar 31, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who’s to say that Peters wouldn’t lower his contract demands once he gets to a new city, though? He might settle for an offer close to what the Bills are currently offering in any other NFL city. You never know.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why are you so adamant BG, that Peters just wants out of Buffalo?

by krytime on Apr 1, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m adamant? I just think he wants out.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 1, 2009 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts from an Eagles fan

I disagree. Adding Peters as the LT starter gives the Eagles a truly transformed O-Line. Peters – Andrews – Jackson – Andrews – Herremans is a line that will mean a totally transformed running game for the Eagles. Westbrook and Weaver running behind that line will be an opportunity that even pass-happy Andy Reid won’t be able to pass up.

With that said, I don’t think the Eagles will offer more than Pick #21. They might throw in an O-Lineman like Winston Justice, who could thrive with a change of scene. If I were the Eagles I would offer the Bills #21 plus Justice plus a swap of the two teams’ 2nd and 3rd Round picks.

If Andre Smith is still on the Board at #21 that offer might even be reduced, because if the Bills can draft Smith with #21, then they have a near-ideal Peters replacement immediately available.

by mattwill on Apr 1, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would think that if the trade was done...

That the Bills would take Smith at 11 and draft Pettigrew at 21, that makes more sence to me.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 1, 2009 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course the scenario of Smith being there would mean that the Bills would have chosen a different player with pick #11

by mattwill on Apr 1, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, but I don’t think that the Bills would be ready to take the chance of him MAYBE being there at 21

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 1, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry if you have to repeat yourself.

I haven’t read every comment in the recent posts.

What does Jason Peters have to gain by holding out or by not performing his best in 2009? The Bills are arguably in a tougher position than Peters, because they need a left tackle, and right or wrong, there is a lot of pressure on the Bills to win in 2009. I would like to think or I hope that teams have at least some leverage over players in these types of scenarios. Ridiculous.

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by Fort Worth on Mar 31, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does Jason Peters have to gain by holding out or by not performing his best in 2009?

It’s simpler than that, and on a shorter time frame. The real question should be “What does Peters have to lose by not budging on his salary demands?”

By remaining steadfast in his demands, he’s forcing Buffalo’s hand. That’s the long and short of it – and as you aptly put it, the Bills are in a tough spot because they’re trying to win now. That’s helping Peters’ cause.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

that’s the biggest thing. The Bills really can’t afford to have as valuable of a piece as Peters, sit out this season on them. It’s win now for Jauron and company. They can’t win 7 games again and keep their jobs, I don’t think. So they have to utilize all the chips they have. That means if they have to trade Peters, get as much value as possible, plug in a rookie LT, so be it. Jauron needs to gather more playmakers in this draft and not have to worry about his LT being a whiny little biatch, distracting the team

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by MARVelous on Mar 31, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

If the Bills are going to trade Peters, they HAVE to do it before the draft, because I think his trade value will seriously drop after that. And if Jauron and co. really are in win now mode, then I think that trading Peters for as much as they can is in their best interests.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"By remaining steadfast in his demands, he’s forcing Buffalo’s hand."

Buffalo isn’t forced to do anything, right? Jason Peters is under contract.

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by Fort Worth on Mar 31, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

I think what he’s saying though is because Buffalo is “win now” he is forcing their hand cuz they’re not going to tolerate another year of him holding out and ruining their chances of having a winning record

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by MARVelous on Mar 31, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which goes back to my first point.

“What does Jason Peters have to gain by holding out or by not performing his best in 2009?”

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by Fort Worth on Mar 31, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buffalo isn’t forced to do anything, right? Jason Peters is under contract.

Marvelous is right – I’m saying that it’s pointless for them do do what you suggest because it does zero to help them win football games. That’s their goal, and they’re not going to let the Peters situation get in the way of it.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please pardon my stupidity.

If Buffalo does nothing, Jason Peters will still play his best in 2009, right? If he doesn’t, his value will go down, right? I don’t think he’ll get selected to another Pro Bowl if he plays like or worse than he did in 2008.

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by Fort Worth on Mar 31, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I’m saying that if nothing happens on the Peters front through the end of the draft, he’ll sit. He’ll sit for a very long time.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So are we really saying that a rookie LT / rookie guard or Chambers / rookie guard or rookie LT / Chambers (or any other permutation) would put the Bills in a better situation to “win now” than a hold out Peters at say 70% to start the season? To quote a SNL skit, “Really?!?”

The Bills are in a time sensitive bind if they’re interested in obtaining draft picks this year for Peters, but if they can’t get at least a first for him, what is the point of trading him? Even a fat, sloppy, out of shape Peters is better than any other alternative if they can’t get close to fair value for him (for this year and the future). I mean, without doing a single thing in the off season, Peters has already gotten better for next year because he won’t have Dickery-Dockery-Doo next to him.

The fact of the matter is that Peters remains under contract for TWO more years. If they are truly interested in winning this year, then they shouldn’t trade Peters for anything less than a first (and prolly a mid round pick as well). They can play with a sub-optimal Peters the entire year, then trade him next year. Obviously, they would get less next year bc Peters would only have one year remaining at that point, but Peters (even as a shell of himself) gives the Bills the best chance to win now.

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by thatguy34 on Mar 31, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They can play with a sub-optimal Peters the entire year, then trade him next year.

They’re not going to do that, though. It hurts the locker room, it hurts the overall cohesiveness of the offensive line (which seems to go by the wayside in these discussions, but did anyone notice how the line SUCKED when Peters came back last year?), and ultimately it hurts Trent Edwards. You can’t just plug-and-play Peters on the line whenever he sees fit to come back. It didn’t work for them last year, folks. They won’t do it again.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So again, I ask, you’re saying that a rookie LT / Chambers, Chambers / rookie guard, is more cohesive and better for the offense as a whole than a sub-optimal Peters?

If you ask me, the line sucked a lot last year. I didn’t realize we were drawing a line at Peters return.

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by thatguy34 on Mar 31, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So again, I ask, you’re saying that a rookie LT / Chambers, Chambers / rookie guard, is more cohesive and better for the offense as a whole than a sub-optimal Peters?

Sorry, forgot to answer that the first time.

I think cohesiveness on an offensive line is far more important than having a line full of stars. If the Bills can go an off-season and enter a season with five set starters, their line is automatically better in my book.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you’re against Orlando Pace for a season?

by BillsNYC on Mar 31, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not necessarily, but I think it’s unlikely the Bills would take that route.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can Walker man LT? I doubt it….

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by BillsNYC on Mar 31, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the whole cohesiveness thing is blown way out of proportion. Teams have injuries along the line all the time, and guys step in and the team moves on. The team does go into a downward spiral because the backup didn’t play with the first teamers all season long.

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by thatguy34 on Mar 31, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The team does

doesn’t

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by thatguy34 on Mar 31, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t say anything about a “downward spiral”, just line play in general. Cohesiveness is important. I’m not saying it’s the sole important factor to good line play. It’s certainly underrated.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you’re weighing cohesiveness vs. talent (and an eventual cohesiveness). There’s a little bit of a difference this year because he’ll have a new guard and center next to him, but it’s not like Peters is an entirely new player. He’s played with the rest of the line before.

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by thatguy34 on Mar 31, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It should be noted that in an ideal world, I want Peters as my left tackle. This situation, however, is very clearly far from ideal. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, and I’m not entirely opposed to trading him (altho I would really really rather not). I just think they have got to at least get a first round pick for him.

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by thatguy34 on Mar 31, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i am

at the point if we’re only going to get a 2nd, why not say screw him. Plug in Bell or Chambers and let’s play. We don’t deserve to get screwed by a guy we developed, gave a great deal to when he hadn’t proven anything and now he wants to be a royal pain in the ass. This is a situation, with a guy with 2 years left on his deal, we are in the power situation. Look what happened with Ocho Stinko, Boldin, etc Peters is under contract. He is ours. And if we can’t get AT LEAST a 1st and a 3rd, I wouldn’t move him anywhere

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by MARVelous on Mar 31, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha. Join Joe P. I’ll stay in my “don’t do business pissed off” camp. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

in all seriousness…a 2nd round pick does nothing for this franchise. We’ll see how shrewd Russ Brandon really is if he can play the market and get us fair compensation if it comes to that

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by MARVelous on Mar 31, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a 2nd round pick does nothing for this franchise.

Again, please don’t think I’m saying “trading Peters for a second is ideal”. It’s not like I’d be skipping through the streets if that’s all we got for the guy. I’m just saying it’s realistic, and I’ll vehemently disagree with your assertion that it would “do nothing for the franchise”.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with the “do nothing for the franchise” argument as well. But, I’m not trading Peters for a 2nd round pick. So, if it’s cohesiveness we’re worried about, stick Chambers and a rookie in on the left side, and when Peters comes back, he can sit on the bench. It royally screws him a lot more than it screws us (again, if you’re worried about cohesiveness).

I’m not positive on how much Peters is making, but it’s certainly not huge. It kills all of his bargaining power if he doesn’t play.

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by thatguy34 on Mar 31, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

saying it would do “nothing” is too extreme. Cuz they would be saving a great deal of $ and they would be getting rid of the distraction. But you can’t replace that kind of talent with a 2nd round pick. And you may hurt your football team because of it. You really have to trust your plan if you do that

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by MARVelous on Mar 31, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't replace a converted undrafted TE with a second round lineman who started as a tackle for his whole college career?

I think we need Ron from NMs help putting the real impact of Jason Peters into perspecitve. Does anyone have anyway to put something together as far as rookie linemen perofrmance from last year? I think you need a guy with certain characteristics to man the LT spot, but even as a rookie a second round OT could meet or exceed Peters’ performance from last year. If they did that, with the upgrade at center, we would be ahead, not behind. We would definitely be ahead of a season with Peters as a non functioning asset. What we are really looking at is – Would a 2nd round OL play better than Peters sitting on his couch at home? YES!!!!!!

by syrbillsfan on Apr 1, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha MARV

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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So again, I ask, you’re saying that a rookie LT / Chambers, Chambers / rookie guard, is more cohesive and better for the offense as a whole than a sub-optimal Peters?

I think that it is better for the offence as a whole. There is no accounting for stability and continuety on the O-Line throughout a season. The way Peters is acting would only hurt the O-Line and the Offence as a whole, so yes I do think that replacing him with a rookie who wants to play is a better option, even if said rookie isn’t as talented as Peters.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peters would hold out until week 10

Does that change your thinking on “who’s better than who”? Peters obviously does not want to be here anymore. His only value to us at this point is whatever we get through a trade. To keep him, is to keep nothing. Keeping him might be worth negative value as far as the team. So a couple of draft picks, possibly good draft picks who are eager to perform would have no trouble being more valuable than Peters.

by syrbillsfan on Apr 1, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stating something as fact doesn't make it so

I will strongly question anyone that states Peters would ever seriously sit out 10 weeks of the season. Clearly, he can say it to use it as a bargaining chip (and many players before him have done that exact thing), but players don’t hold out until week 10. Mostly, because other teams don’t pay or trade for players that haven’t played in 12 months. Sitting out does not help Peters get paid, he’d still have a whole ’nother year to get thru his current contract.

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by thatguy34 on Apr 1, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was bad enough last year when he sat out OTAs and training camp

If that’s the Peters we get, with an even worse attitude, I still would rather have draft picks who want to be there. Who are proud to be Buffalo Bills.

by syrbillsfan on Apr 1, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I’m not dead-set against trading Peters. I just don’t like the whole “well we have to trade him and just take whatever we can get” attitude that seems to be permeating throughout this post.

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by thatguy34 on Apr 1, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From what I've read, peters said he wasn't going to hold out again.. has that changed in the last couple weeks? why are you so sure he is going to hold out brian?

I really don’t think there are too many teams w/ the extra money to throw around that would take on peters, and offer him the kind of deal he wants.. the first one that comes to mind are the bucs, the eagles need a LT but they also need some more weapons for in their passing game wr, te, and a power back. Not to mention a LB. They may have the money i just don’t think they have the luxury of being able to spend money on peters.

by Shovel51 on Mar 31, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got some bad information from a different source on the Peters thing. The source/I was wrong on that, and I’ve eaten my crow – though if you want me to take seconds, I probably deserve to do so.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’d offer him a maximum of 8 million a year, and tell him take it or leave it buster. bench him if necessary. the bills do not have to give him a new contract. he wants to hold out, so let him hold out. he wants a paycheck, so trust me he will show up. if not, hey the trick’s on him. his unwillingness to play only hurts his value as he will (and already is) coming across as greedy, egoistic, non-team player.

by jzoom45 on Mar 31, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tim Graham has also been wrong before, many times. And while he think that Peters isn’t worth a first round pick, I’m conviced that some other teams think that he is… the question now is whether or not we can find that team.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The biggest problem may be that the teams that need a LT the most are the ones picking in the top 10. I don’t think any of them are giving up a top 10 pick for Peters. I could see Washington being interested though. Getting #13 would be excellent.

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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peters can text his buddy Dock and they could be together again.

by XtrmeCarnage82 on Apr 1, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Washington doesn't have the cap space to sign him though....

At least not this year. They have contract fat albert.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 1, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They could structure his contract with a low first season salery by betting on an uncapped season.

I honestly believe that 2010 (or is it 2011) will be uncapped, and once you have one uncapped season, good luck getting the player’s union to go back to a capped system.

Mind you if Washington does do something like that, they would be putting all their eggs in one basket… but then again it is washington.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 1, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a 30% rule.

They can’t say… "take 100k this year and get 20M next year. If he signs a contract now, his salary can only go up 30% between 2009 and 2010 (and between every subsequent year). But he could get a huge roster bonus in a year or something.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 1, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Uncapped Year Article

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 1, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They never have the cap space, but always find a way, don’t they??

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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus he can be reunited with Dockery

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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Tim Graham

but he doesn’t work for the bills and isn’t a GM. He’s reporting on a hunch. I say he’s not to be trusted here.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 31, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Graham’s report was always an opinion. I don’t understand why so much stock is put in his, or anyone else’s, opinion.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 1, 2009 6:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Shawn Andrews

play right tackle in college? Anyway, Shawn Andrews was Jason Peters’ teammate at Arkansas, and they were both declared eligible for the 2004 draft. Imagine playing on the same line as your brother and your college teammate? Do I sense any possible recruitment?

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by Fort Worth on Mar 31, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is why

I keep saying that he has the most cards to play—-if we can’t trade him for value then we’re stuck with him not playing (possibly) until the tenth game or paying him what he wants. There are no other choices!

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by BILLS on Mar 31, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know why everyone keeps making the tenth game argument. Players don’t hold out entire seasons. Why? Because you don’t get better (or even stay at the same level) by sitting on your ass for months at a time. It’s career suicide. Nobody wants to pay a player that hasn’t played football in 16 months.

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by thatguy34 on Mar 31, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He

doesn’t care about getting better he wants out of Buffalo or the money and he’ll sit out to prove his point that we need him more than he needs us.

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by BILLS on Apr 1, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He may not care about getting better, but he certainly cares about getting worse (and the perception that he’s getting worse). Not playing football for a year makes you worse. It makes you out of shape and fat. Other teams don’t pony up dough for fat, out of shape, out of work players. Which is exactly why players make the “sit out till week 10” threat and never go thru with it.

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by thatguy34 on Apr 1, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but it takes guts to call players on it. Does the Bills FO have the guts?

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Do-do-do you have it?

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by thatguy34 on Apr 1, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 1, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!!

Was just looking at the picture of Peters on this blog post. As a Left Tackle, and the size of the thigh of the player behind him (which means it can’t be a WR), is it just me or is he getting beat around the corner for one of his 11.5 sacks allowed?

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by BillsNYC on Mar 31, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how you could infer that from that picture with any certainty.

it looks like a snap and the guy is on Peters outside like normal and there is a back in the backfield behind him… Like when the Bills did split shotgun. Nothing out of the ordinary.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 31, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m mostly joking :)

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by BillsNYC on Mar 31, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This picture is from Week 3 of 2007.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 31, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peters is useless to the Bills

if he skips camp and shows up as the same pathetic slob as last season. He obviously is either stupid, lazy, or both, judging by the way he doesn’t seem to care about his own conditioning or on-field performance. This guy is rapidly becoming a cancer that needs to go away as soon as possible. The longer this situation has to fester, the worse off both parties will be. OBD needs to take whatever they can get now and just move on.

by dzil on Mar 31, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

I’ve read all of these posts and agree with some and disagree with others. A couple of things—the Bills will do NOTHING that they feel won’t help them in 2009, i.e., forget about the spite factor. They aren’t going to let Peters sit out until game #10, fine him a fortune and then him welcome back. Peters has them over a barrell there—and there are those at OBD who feel unless his contract demands are met, that’s exactly what he intends to do. I do not think he gives a hoot about money—the Bills collected every dime of fine money he owed by missing all of camp and Peters didn’t blink an eye. For whatever reason I simply believe he wants out of Buffalo, and knowing that and with a coaching staff that has to win this year, I truly believe that when OBD and Parker agree there is no way a deal will get done—they are going to actively shop him. What is happening now is more passive than aggressive. Expect this to change.

I do not think that there is any other recourse for the Bills—and I am sure we will all argue as to what we receive back is “worth it” when/if this happens. I fully believe that what we get back will be far less than what the 2006/2007 Peters was worth to us, but honestly…the 2008 Peters was distinctly unpredictable from play-to-play.

Like Brian—I agree. Watch the Lions in this.

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by Geronimo on Mar 31, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Summa b…..I hate everything about this.

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by thatguy34 on Mar 31, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate this entire situation

But at this point, if Peter’s demands don’t change, indecating that his true goal is to get out of Buffalo, then I think the best thing for the team is to trade Peters for as much as you can get for him. Now I’m just waiting for OBD to realise that.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am sorry to hear that

If that is the case, then the Bills have screwed themselves by not trading Peters at the beginning of last year. They took a hard line with Peters, which I agreed with at the time, only to fold now? I know I don’t know all the details, but at what point did Peters make it clear he wanted out of Buffalo.

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by Joe P. on Mar 31, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know I don’t know all the details, but at what point did Peters make it clear he wanted out of Buffalo.

It doesn’t appear that he’s made it clear. Instead, from what G says, it looks like he may force his way out without saying a word about wanting out….

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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actions speak louder than words, you are married...... does your wife always mean what she says???

No honey, I don’t mind if you go out with the boys on our anniversary. Riiiiigggghhhhtttttttt!!!!!!!!

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by Joe P. on Apr 1, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think when this moves into active shopping, everone's intentions will be clearer.

And Peters’ contract demands will start dropping. The more they drop, the better compensation we can expect to get.

by syrbillsfan on Apr 1, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greeeat…..we get a third rounder and a hole at LT…….

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by BillsNYC on Mar 31, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is what happens

in the NFL. You want to build your organization for the future but at some point you have to “go for it.” The Bills are “going for it” with T.O. and now the possible trade of Jason Peters. It would be unfortunate to receive just a couple mid round draft pics for him. Stroud was a 3rd and a 5th, I hope that Peters is worth more than that. To lose out on getting maximum value, and forced in a win-now mode, this could blow up in the Bills face is they don’t win in 2009. I hate being a doom and gloom guy, but these are the kind of moves that make or break franchises. I hope this works out for Dick Jauron and the “inner circle.” I really do, but Peters putting them in this situation is f’n bonkers

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by MARVelous on Mar 31, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is what I don't understand....

If a player (and his agent) deem the player to be legitimately worthy of being the highest paid player at that particular position, why would he not command much more than a 1st and a mid round pick?

If the Bills were to allow Peters to shop himself (which I believe may very well be the best course of action now), how can Parker say to the Bills “I can only get you a deal for a first and some change” while still demanding a top salary in return? If he’s not worth a Herschel Walker kind of deal (ok – that’s a stretch), how can he be worth top dog money?

So much of this doesn’t make sense to me. If Peters is, in Parker’s eyes, the best LT in the NFL, shouldn’t he be worthy of a boat load of picks?

Did any of you ever hear me say how much disdain I have for some agents? I swear, while not as publicized as Kurupt’s hatred for Kelsay, the vigor is just the same…

by krytime on Apr 1, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t hate Kelsay. I hate when he tries playing football.

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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you still hate him this much if he was paid 1M/year isntead of the near 4M that he’s being paid now?

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 1, 2009 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you read through the posts you’ll see that Peters likely just wants out of Buffalo, the money is his way of making it happen.

What a loser he is.

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by BillsNYC on Apr 1, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t say it’s “likely”, NYC. Again, that’s just my opinion – I have no idea of knowing if it’s true or false. Just a hunch.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 1, 2009 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was referencing Geronimo’s post last night alluding to it.

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by BillsNYC on Apr 1, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and

by “go fot it” I don’t mean trading Peters is the right thing to do. But because it’s a WIN NOW season, they can’t afford letting him sit out the 10 games and not get anything for him and have that distraction. But it’s a move that is directly related to the fact that Dick Jauron and his staff HAVE to win in 2009

MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens

by MARVelous on Mar 31, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Do we have the cap room to sign Peters

to make him the highest paid offensive lineman? According to some calculations I have done we only have around 11 million left, after we signed our 4 FA’s. I admit I don’t truly understand the “cash to the cap”, so I’ll ask the group again. Do we have that kind of money to sign Peters? If we don’t, which is what I suspect, I think we would have to start cutting players to make room. So maybe the FO isn’t willing to let go of other players just to get a deal done.

by Buffalonian on Mar 31, 2009 11:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We’ve got LOTS of cap room, that never been the problem.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 31, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much?

because I don’t think we do.

by Buffalonian on Apr 1, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know exactly how much, Eric is better at that than I am

But I’m guessing that we still have around 25M to play with due to “not likely to attein” bonus clauses money.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 1, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm working on figuring it out right now...

but a lot of the contracts haven’t been released yet. If I can’t find it I will ball park it soon.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Apr 1, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt is your guy on that.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 1, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We started out with 28-38M to spend.

Owens got 6.5, Fitzy’s 2009 number is around 2.5, Hangartner is roughly the same as Fitzy’s, Drayton Florence is somewhere in the 3.5 range.

Add in resigning Chambers, signing Pat Thomas, and other fringe guys plus their tender of Action Jackson and they have spent as much as 20M towards the 2009 salary cap while saving some cap room and salary by cutting Dockery and Royal.

I would say they are 8-18M under the cap at this point in time. I’m assuming that the Likely to Be Earned Incentives were mostly not attained and so will be added back onto the cap. That’s why the discrepency between 8-18. It’s most likely on the high end of that. They could easily sign Peters under the cap.

We’ll have to wait and see how everything shakes out in the end but they will certainly be under the salary cap for this year.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Apr 1, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peter's deal...

Even if he signed a contract for five years paid him 9M in salary with a 15M signing bonus (that makes him 12M a year and the highest paid OT in the league) they only need 12M of cap space to do that. It’s really easy to break it down thusly:

2009: 6M salary + 3M of the pro-rated signing bonus = 9M cap hit. That’s very easy to do if you backload the deal.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Apr 1, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, wasn’t sure if it was matt or eric so I took a stab in the dark…. guess i guessed wrong.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 1, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matt is the one that mixes up names, I’m the good looking one, who does the trivia.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 1, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I just thought that you might know how much cap money they had left on the outside chance that they sign Miley Cirus as the team’s personal entertainer.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 1, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You actually think Eric has time to worry about cap space and figuring out the contracts when he spends the majority of his time searching for Hannah Montana news?

~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 2, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Touché K, touché

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 2, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

She keeps me busy, and those paparazzi guys i pay to follow her cost a lot of money too.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 2, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ain't that the truth

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Apr 2, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About $12-14M, I believe

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh come on Brian – that was funny

:-)

Anyway Kenny, Yellow MegaMan is only $8.95, so maybe your mom can put it on layaway and make payments for a year or two

by J2 on Apr 1, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Peters

The Bills have to trade him. He is not worth the contract he wants, if he gets the contract he wants, watch the reincarnation of Mike Williams. Peters spells TEAM with a lot of I’s in it.

by Bob on Apr 1, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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