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Addressing the Coles to Buffalo rumor

In case you missed it, there is a rumor making the Internet rounds that the Buffalo Bills and free agent WR Laveranues Coles have reached a contract agreement.  As you're probably well aware, Coles has visited both the Bills and the Cincinnati Bengals, and it's likely that he has offers from both teams on the table.

We'll let you formulate your own opinions on the validity of the rumor, but as much as we love the folks at Bills Insider, we're going to take the route of the skeptic on this one.  As we mentioned last night, the fact that the Bills have signed CB Drayton Florence and are meeting with four more free agents in the coming days is indicative, to us at least, that the team has moved on from the Coles portion of their free agency plans.  At a minimum, it means that the deadline on Buffalo's offer to Coles is rapidly approaching (if not passed).  As one faithful reader pointed out to us off-blog, the team has not yet done anything financially to prevent the team from agreeing to a deal with Coles.

So we're taking the "wait and see" approach.  One thing is clear - no free agent currently available would have a bigger impact on the field in 2009 than Coles would.  Keep your fingers crossed, but understand that a rumor is a rumor.  We hope we're wrong to be skeptical on this one.

More on the four visitors
Last night, word emerged that the Bills would be meeting with four free agents over the coming days: RB Kevin Jones, LB Cato June, LB Mike Peterson and LB Pat Thomas.  We've got some details on Jones, June and Thomas at the links provided for your perusal, but we wanted to talk a little bit more this morning about our favorite name on the list: Peterson.

Forget about the fact that he'll be 33 over the summer.  Forget about his run-in with Jack Del Rio last year.  Peterson is an experienced player and a leader.  He's a physical player that likes to hit.  His biggest selling point to a team like Buffalo, aside from his experience and leadership (which you're free to question) is his attitude.  Buffalo had its moments defensively last year, but they still lacked that edgy attitude that defines great defenses.  Peterson would give them that, though he'd create the need to move Paul Posluszny to the strong side.  He's an interesting name to keep in mind.  Don't forget that he's used to playing behind Marcus Stroud as well.

Peterson has 19.5 sacks, 15 interceptions and 40 passes defended in his ten-year career.

Might Bills pursue TE Scheffler?
The Denver Post is reporting that the Broncos have placed TE Tony Scheffler on the trading block.  We can't imagine why they'd do such a thing - how many athletic receiving threats at tight end are there? - but that's an entirely different topic of conversation.

The 26-year-old Scheffler averaged over 16 yards per reception in Denver last season, and in total has 89 receptions, 1,194 yards and 8 touchdowns over the past two seasons.  The only potential hindrance to a trade of Scheffler is the fact that the receiving team will have to consider re-working his deal; the three-year veteran is entering the final year of his rookie deal.  He is scheduled to earn $530K in 2009.

You'd have to imagine that Scheffler's alleged availability will pique Buffalo's interest, as the Bills are starved for athletic talent at the tight end position.  We'll monitor reported compensation for Scheffler, because without question he would fill the Bills' need for a receiving threat at the position.  An athlete of Scheffler's caliber would make Trent Edwards a very happy dude.

Please note that we're not reporting that the Bills will be interested in Scheffler; we have no idea.  We're just interested in Scheffler.

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If the Bills are indeed planning on drafting a TE...

it would make sense to trade that draft pick for Scheffler. We know that’s the case so I am on board with it. The question comes with what would they have to pay him in a reworked deal and how high that draft pick might be. I am still content wating until the 3rd or 4th round and drafting Beckum or someone else and paying them 600k a year. In fact that may be a better option than actually spending a lot of money and that draft pick on Scheffler.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 9:38 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

We’d have to proceed with caution with Scheffler, since ya know, we don’t want to hurt him. That guy always seems to be injured even though he’s only missed a total of 6 games. I do like him as a player though and wonder what the price tag is, both with the Broncos and with Scheffler on a new deal….

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by Kurupt on Mar 4, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

We’d have to proceed with caution with Scheffler

Would he be like Marshawn? If he had 3 catches for a 100 yards and a touchdown in the first half, would we need to stop throwing to him in the second half because he might get overworked?

by thatguy34 on Mar 4, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

tongue and cheek

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by Kurupt on Mar 4, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

personally

im not all that impressed with Scheffler. he seems slow and too expensive (draft pick, re-worked contract). plus injury problems, i think we can do better in this extremely deep draft. i say stick with the draft, trade for waters.

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by silverstreak3k on Mar 4, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not big on Scheffer, love Peterson

Not that big on Scheffler, I’d rather we draft a TE and save some cash on the cap, you’ll see why in a second.

I’d LOVE to pick up Peterson. If COles is the guy that we need to put our offence over the edge, then Peterson the the guy that we need to give our deffence that edge that it needs. Plus puting Puz on the strong side would also be great, I think he’d play a lot better there.

Let’s look at it this way, if we add Coles and Peterson to the FA’s we’ve already signed (Hangarter, Fitzpatrick, Florence) I’d say that we’d be done on the free agant front. it would make it 5 FA signings, 3 of them starters. Not bad at all.

From there we give Peters the extention that he deserves. then we maybe pull the trigger on the Waters trade, I’d be ok with giving them our third rounder and something next year depending on how he plays.

We then go into the draft and get at DE, Maybin is growing on me, and a TE in the second, Neilson is growing on me. In the firth we go get a centre/guard and have him developpe behind Waters and Hangarter.

When all is said and done we’d actually be pretty close to the cap, but our team would be GREATLY improved on almost all fronts and we’d have taken care of most, if not all, the needs that were listed on the community needs board.

That would seem like a pretty good off season to me.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 9:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m seeing quite a few mock drafts that have the Bills picking a LB at #11 overall. Peterson would undoubtedly put more grit in our D, but I’m not sure the Bills are headed that way.

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by Blitz on Mar 4, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mock drafts are mock drafts. They mean nothing in terms of team plans.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think this only happens

if a really good lb drops down. i think its probably DE or DT (raji), definitely something on the line, barring an amazing player dropping out of the top 10.

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by silverstreak3k on Mar 4, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But think about it like this...

The signing of Florence COULD indicate that the team has chosen NOT to resign Jabari Greer. This, in effect, means that the Bills saved money they were prepared to spend at the CB position that may now be redirected to the WR position, namely Coles. The Florence signing might be indicative, if anything, of a pro-Coles strategy – that the Bills are in a better position than ever to negotiate and eventually sign the ex-Jet receiver that they covet.

by Dyl on Mar 4, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

My thought process on Coles being off the table has more to do with the visitors coming in than Florence signing. Florence is a replacement for Greer. The new guys, if the team’s interest is very serious, eats away salary we could be giving to Coles. Most of those guys will be in today. I think if we don’t know what’s happening on Coles by the end of the day, the writing on the wall is pretty clear.

I hope I’m wrong.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

or

it could be the Bills way of saying to Coles that we will not wait around forever and that we will use the money earmarked for you on someone else.

by gatornation on Mar 4, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The money has to be spent somewhere.

As an aside, I hope you’re wrong, too. :)

Sure, Florence’s signing eats away at money to spend on Coles. But keeping the door open for Greer to resign eats even more money away. However, in signing Florence, the Bills committed to saving at least the difference between Florence’s salary (3M a year roughly) and what it would have taken to resign Greer (5M, 6M?). The way I see it, signing Florence bought us that vital 2M difference somewhere along the line for our roster. And I’ve got more than a small hunch some of that 2M could be floating through the telephone lines right now between OBD and Coles’ agent!

by Dyl on Mar 4, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i like your line of thinking Dyl

the signing of Florence could very well indicate they’ve offered Coles a better deal

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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

re

I learned last off-season not to take any “rumors” that the guys at billsinsider float around too seriously. I saw that this morning and rather than get all excited I just yawned.

I don’t know enough about Peterson right now to formulate an opinion. But it does make sense to bring in these guys like June and Peterson, sign one of them, add depth at the position and take the BPA, hopefully a front 7 defensive player at #11 and have them play situationally and then full-time if a starter gets injured. Whether is Mauluga, Maybin, Brown, Cushing, Orakpo, Raji, etc….Adding DEPTH is something this team, sorely needs.

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Mar 4, 2009 10:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agree with you on Billsinsider

Although, it is called the Billsinsider, you cant take them seriously. To be honest, if it were true(which i still hope it is) i think it would be on other sites as of right now

by The Wagon on Mar 4, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brian

any indications on if the Bills will address Strong Safety in FA? If we fill the roster with a LB in FA, maybe that could mean we use our 2nd or 3rd rounder on a Safety?

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Mar 4, 2009 10:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I haven’t heard any indications on that front, but I think Florence gives them a lot more flexibility in their DB area than Greer did (and I loved Jabari). What’s to stop Florence from moonlighting at safety on occasion? He’s big enough to handle it, and he’s physical, too.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mark gaughn

speculated in dime packages, McGee, McKelvin, Youboty, Florence can cover 4 flat, and then Donte can play FS. I think Donte’s only option is to play FS ALL THE TIME. I just hope there isn’t so much sub-packages for Whitner to play different spots. He needs ONE SPOT, ONE ROLE. So I do hope we have a PERMANENT SS, that can even be a solid blitzer.

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Mar 4, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whitner will benefit if he doesn’t have to play underneath in man under, as he had to do last year once we started losing corners left and right to injury. He’ll make plays if he’s playing center field.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so that's the main

thing….he can’t man up. Well I think if he’s given the ability to freely roam,a nd not have to have any specific man coverage or run support duties he could, “COULD” make some plays

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Mar 4, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t say he can’t man up. He can. I think he’s quite good in coverage, he’s just chasing rather than reading and reacting, and I feel certain he’s better at the latter. In short, he needs to be a safety, rather than a utility infielder. Utility infielders never put up big numbers. I’ve been saying that Whitner should play one spot for the better part of two years now. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Whitner should be at SS

I think he’s better against the run than against the pass. As you said Brian, he’s chasing. until he shows that he can make plays to prevent the completion of the pass i’d put him on the strong safety

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well

either way it’s been 3 years, and Buffalo drafted him at #8 overall and not to have had a plan in place for him is quite silly. It’s really their own fault for not providing the personnel to make him succeed if that IS indeed the issue. I think building the team in 2006 from the back end to 2008 (Stroud) was the wrong way to go about it

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Mar 4, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Strong Safety idea?

is it possible that they see Cato June as a strong safety candidate?

by floridajoe on Mar 4, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m thinking they are going to play hardball with Coles. Anyone notice none of us uses his first name (Laveranues) when making reference to him? “Coles” is just so much easier so spell. Anyway, I’d be really suprised if the dude got five a year now. I think he over priced himself. Should have taken the bird in hand.

Not crazy about Scheffler. If for anything, he killed me this year on two teams in FF, and I hold grudges.

Would really be happy to see Peterson. As mentioned by a few, I’m not worried about the blow up with Del Rio. That lockerroom was a mess last year. He’d be a good fit here I think, for at least this year, and maybe even next.

by krytime on Mar 4, 2009 10:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

What is it about Peterson?

I dont know too much about him, but a lot of you guys like him. I guess theres already info on this site about him?>

by The Wagon on Mar 4, 2009 10:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

At one time not so long ago, Peterson was a poor man’s Takeo Spikes. That’s not a bad claim to have on your resume…

by krytime on Mar 4, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that Peterson has aged better than TKO

that is to say he hasn’t lost as much as TKO

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that Peterson has aged better than TKO

I think that’s absolutely fair to say. Spikes went down because of injury though too.

by krytime on Mar 4, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

TKO's injuries deffinatly have a big part in it

But it also says that Peterson is tought and has stayed healthy throughout his career. another asset to consider

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You guys are crazy....

I would love to have Scheffler for a 4th or 5th rounder. OF course, i have no clue what the Broncos are asking for. But he would be an immediate starter at TE, and this year’s TE class is not as strong anyways. Asides from Pettigrew, there isn’t one single proven TE. And Pettigrew ran a slow 40 and scouts always had questions about his ability to seperate. Nelson and Cook both seem to have potential, but have not done as much as Pettigrew in terms of production on the field.

Yeah Scheffler was injured last year, but when he’s healthy he is someone the defenses have to account for. I’d rather take the gamble that he’s able to play 12+ games in 2009 and then draft a TE next year when the class seems to be better – at least as of now.

by Renegade23 on Mar 4, 2009 10:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nelson and Cook both seem to have potential, but have not done as much as Pettigrew in terms of production on the field.

Pettigrew didn’t catch a single touchdown his last season.

by thatguy34 on Mar 4, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they're not

but we’re looking for a TE thats a game changer in the passing game, and I’d say that if you can’t catch touchdowns then your not a gamechanger. I just don’t think he’s the answer that we’re looking for.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s hard to prove your worth as a game-changing receiver when you’re in an offense that runs 64% of the time and has one of CFB’s best receivers (Dez Bryant – 87 grabs, 19 touchdowns last year). I’m telling you, the guy can make plays as a receiver. He was the only other Cowboy to have 40 receptions last year.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I was just posting a quick reply cuz I’m at work. I didn’t mean to insinuate that Pettigrew doesn’t have production or that TDs are the only measure of production. You said Nelson and Cook didn’t have as much production as Pettigrew. I was pointing out that Nelson and Cook have production in one specific area (TDs) that Pettigrew fell short in.

by thatguy34 on Mar 4, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Nelson has career numbers of 157 catches for 2054 yards and 16 TD’s
Pettigrew has career numbers of 112 catches for 1450 yards and 9 TD’s.

Cook only played 3 years, so he can’t really be compared. If he matched his junior year totals, he’d have slightly better numbers than Pettigrew.

I think Nelso had far superior production than Pettigrew, while Cook would at the very least have matched him with a senior season added on.

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by Kurupt on Mar 5, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pettigrew

He’s overated. Yes he is the only legit first round TE, but i don’t think he has nearly as much upside and ability to advance as guys like Neilson, Cook and Beckum.

I honestly think that most of Pettigrew’s college success has come due to his increadible size and not his playing ability.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's my point exactly though...

There isn’t a legit first round TE in this year’s draft. Pettigrew is getting that grade by default. If you can have a proven NFL TE, who is only 26 for a 4th rounder, albeit he’s had some injury issues, why wouldn’t we consider this? In other words, why is everyone so hell bent on drafting a TE?

by Renegade23 on Mar 4, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There isn’t a legit first round TE

Which is why I’m absolutely opposed to drafting a TE in the first round. I’m also not hell bent on drafting a TE, just hell bent on getting one. I like Scheffler, but I would rather the Bills trade picks for Waters over Scheffler, and since I don’t want to trade away all my picks, I think they can only do one.

If Waters is off the table at some point, I would be perfectly happy with Scheffler for a 4th.

by thatguy34 on Mar 4, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok I see what you're saying.

Yeah I’d like Waters as well, but if you could get Waters for a 3rd, and Scheffler for a 4th, would you pull the trigger on both?

by Renegade23 on Mar 4, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know. I don’t think so. I think that gives up too many picks. While I understand the importance of winning now (both as a fan and for the coach’s sake), that only leaves the Bills with 5 picks this year.

by thatguy34 on Mar 4, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention it would be like bringing in free agent contracts when we re-work the deals..

as opposed to cap and wallet-friendly rookie deals.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. Another good point.

by thatguy34 on Mar 4, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd pull the Triger on Waters

If it’s only a third, then yes Waters immidiatly, but i think a 4th is high for scheffler. He may actually be worth that, but I wouldn’t give higher than a 5th simply due to the fact that the Broncos don’t want him anymore.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

im bored

when is coles gonna sign.

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by silverstreak3k on Mar 4, 2009 10:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

How wouldn’t the bills be interested in Scheffler? All of this speculation regarding Peterson, Scheffler and Coles has me REALLY excited

by billsnterps on Mar 4, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm really against giving up draft picks for vets

UNLESS it’s for Boldin. You build thru the draft and those middle rounds are where the team finds necessary talent. They have 7 picks this year and I really don’t want them handing them out for guys who are going to cost more on the books and might not pan out. Waters is too old to build around, imo. Scheffler is playing in Denver with Cutler – how would his stats look on another team? I’ve yet to be convinced ANY LB they’re considering is an improvement over Crow.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2009 11:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Trading is a safe option if done properly along with the draft

I want the bills to do one or two trades, because if done properly they’re going to help your team.

the best example i can think of, and yes i realize that i’m cherry picking, is the pats two years ago. they picked Merriweather in ther first then didn’t have another pick til like the forth and they didn’t have a fifth, but they gained the two most important aspects of their offence that aren’t named Tom Brady: i.e. Wes Welker and Randy Moss.

You can build through trades because they are proven players. I would much rather pay a little more for proven players that will help my team then draft a kid that might or might not pan out. The bottum line is that both Waters and Scheffler would help the team get to where they want to go and they wouldn’t have to wait for them to develop.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Especially when you are trying to win this year to, you know, save your jobs.
I would much rather pay a little more for proven players that will help my team then draft a kid that might or might not pan out.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Deshaun Foster & Cato June

are at OBD right now…..just got the text from the Bills…..I wonder if Peterson and Jones are plan B?

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Mar 4, 2009 11:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m so against this Cato June scenario.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes – DO NOT WANT

Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?

by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What is wrong with signing June for 2-3 years and drafting a replacement to groom?

by billsnterps on Mar 4, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

because i think he sucks. small and understized LB – we got like 3 of those guys (ellison, bowen, digi) and I think he’s going to cost more than what I think we should pay the guy

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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not true at all. June is a Tampa 2 linebacker, no team that doesn’t employ that style of defense will give him a very long look. He doesn’t have many options, I think the Bills could get him pretty cheap.

June is a vet of the Tampa 2 and is very good in coverage. tampa Bay didn’t give him that big contract because he wasn’t any good, and the only reason they cut him was because they are moving away from the Tampa 2.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i’m just saying he’d cost more because it seems like all of the FA’s think their all worth about 8 million a season.

but your right – he doesn’t have very many options right now

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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt (read: really, really hope) that the Bills aren’t even considering giving him more then 3 mil a year.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why do we need a LB that’s so good in coverage? Our run D is still pretty bad, adding another undersized LB isn’t going to help there.

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by Kurupt on Mar 5, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is our pass defense that much better that we need to pick up a run-stuffer or bust?

Sign the best player. Right now, I think that guy’s June. Who says he can’t play the run?

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 5, 2009 7:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would rather have Peterson, but would not mind June at all.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather have Peterson

and I don’t want June at all

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Peterson is the better player IMO but...

it comes along with moving Poz outside, something Fewell seemed prepared to do but I am not willing to do just yet.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm more than willing

I think Poz would play better as an OLB, his skill set fit that better

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Show me how he’s an improvement over the LBs they have now. The same guys who aren’t physical enough to get the oppostion on the ground quickly enough. How is June going to be different?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, if he’s a Tampa-2 disciple, and supposedly stout in that system, why are the Bucs so quick to dump him?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the bucs are going away from the tampa 2 – but we don’t need him

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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the bucs are going away from the tampa 2

Yes they are.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh so wise. I think the Bills’ invitation got lost in the mail.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bears, Colts, and Bills are it now...

right? The Tampa 2 was designed to stop the west coast offense. WIth teams going to spread formations now, the west coast is on it’s way out and so is the Tampa 2. Tampa 2 is not designed to stop quick slants, bubble screens, etc.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tampa 2 is not designed to stop quick slants, bubble screens, etc.

Ain’t that the truth. Reference the Zona game last year.

by krytime on Mar 4, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even still

For the most part we keep all but the elite teams from scoring very much. Anyways our scheme shifted a little to standard 4-3 towards the end of last year. Or so I seem to recall. I think good things are in store, and Peterson is more intriguing to me. If our defense is only a little bit better, we can all stop whining about the offense.

Did Peterson ever play with June in Indy?

by syrbillsfan on Mar 4, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

Peterson moved to Jacksonville the year June was drafted

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I would prefer Kevin Jones to Deshaun Foster. Lets say that Lynch misses 4 games (just hypothetical don’t get bent out of shape) Jones is a very good receiver out of the backfield, I think that Jones could help more after those 4 games then Foster could.

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by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

definately jones over foster

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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mr. Jooones and me..... Sign him!

Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?

by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why are we even talking to Foster?

did he even play last year?

I though that the panthers let him go two seasons ago and he hasn’t played since

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He was with SF last year.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

averaged 3 yards a carry

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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

then i retract my previous statement

3 yards per carry is actually pretty good for a third running back

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus he's only 29 years old....

throwing that out there. Was he their third or second option? It looks like he got most of his touches and yards in the last four games.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

only 29? really?

i thought he was like 32-33… wow turns ut i don’t know anything about this guy

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought he was older too!

But he was born in 1980.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you can tell

that Jauron and company are looking at veterans this off-season a little more so than years before I think. I’m not so sure they are saying that they can’t “COUNT” on any rookies in 2009. If they come along great, but let’s plan our off-season like they won’t.

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Mar 4, 2009 11:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think they’re operating under the assertion that anyone they bring in has to make an impact this year because they (the coaches) might not be around in 2010 to see the impact rookies might have.

by thatguy34 on Mar 4, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You have to wonder if players are thinking about that too. Say they sign a contract and a new set of coaches, etc come in – who’s to say they don’t clean house?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They also have plenty of young guys...

Like the Sabres bringing in Rivet last year they need some older, more seasoned vets who can whip those young whippersnappers into shape.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Folks, have a couple of updates for you.

Preliminary contract figures are now available on Fitzpatrick and Hangartner. (See Rotoworld)
Fitzpatrick – 3 years, $6.9M
Hangartner – 4 years, $9.6M
Florence – 2 years, $6.6M

Three pretty cheap contracts. We’ve still got some room to maneuver.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

It’s awesome that they got Hangartner for that price. I was nervous thinking what they might have spent.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Especially Hangartners. I though his would almost be double that, maybe around four a year or so. Wow. I’m kinda surprised at that.

by krytime on Mar 4, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

clever business by the Bills

I’m impressed

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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nice

thats a great price for all 3 players

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

anyone else thinking that we got Hangartner that cheep because we garateed him a starting role? I mean I look at that contract and immidiatly think that he could have gotten more if he looked somewhere else.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

THAT IS AWESOME

Excellent job Jim Overdorf!

The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.

by Cutter3636 on Mar 4, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Brian

can we get a bio or something up about Drayton Florence, maybe some info on his playing style? I noticed above you said he was physical enough to play safety? Is he known to be a heavy hitter? I’ve also heard sources say he gets burned on the outside often?

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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Already working on it… lots going on, obviously.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thank you sir!

there is a lot going on, its like a party at OBD right now. Too bad Coles is missing out…

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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s kind of like an astronomy club party. It’s really great if you let your hang-ups go, but on the surface, it appears kinda lame.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hahahahahaha!

were you in the astronomy club Afghan?

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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn’t that cool. I’m actually a huge Astronomy buff, but never got into clubs.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

im not an astronomy buff but I swear i see less stars in the night sky today than ten years ago. so many friggin lights!

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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

venus looked sweet lastnight through my telescope

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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You were spying on the Williams sisters?

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by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jauron: “Laveranues, I would like to extend to you an invitation to the pants party.”

by thatguy34 on Mar 4, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hahahaha!!!

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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Meh, that’s a nothing update. It’s not even really an update. Just a “hey, remember Coles was here yesterday?” type of throw-in.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

just thought I’d post it…Brian, I cant find the article, but theres a Philly site stating that they might trade with jason peters

by The Wagon on Mar 4, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw it… I didn’t find it substantial or relevant, either.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so you really think that we’re going to extend Peters before we trade him?

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that’s the plan, but that has nothing to do with the Philly article.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think they’d extend Peters after they traded him. :sarcasm:

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Thats why I asked, you either extend him or trade him… maybe OBD has a contigency plan if they can’t extend him. I’d prefer to have Peters, but those two first rounders wouldn’t be bad either.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets move on from Coles anyway. He obviously doesn’t want to be here, so let him go ruin the rest of his career with Cincy. My vote is that we use that money and get Waters via trade. Then we focus on LB/DE/TE in the draft.

by CBATL32 on Mar 4, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In the article i posted above says Bengals and Coles close to aggreement. Plus, i read on a Philly news page that a possible trade with Jason Peters is possible. I have to go to work though, ill be checkin in on my cell phone, goodluck to all

by The Wagon on Mar 4, 2009 12:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

both their firsts for Peters?

Peters may be the only LT in the league who can stop Tuck, Osi and Kiwi when hes having a good day.

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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From what source

Did you see TWO 1st’s for Peters? Is this just ANOTHER rumor, or are there talks actually happening w/ Peters now?

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by Pocono Bob on Mar 4, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My bad

I mis-interrpreted your post. I see where you are coming from now w/ the NFC East Defenders.

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by Pocono Bob on Mar 4, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yea the above was based on nothing

but the Wagon’s comment! I dont want to lose Peters personally, i want him locked up for 7 years

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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If that were true, how could the Bills NOT go through with it?! I’d wonder only if they could afford to sign 3 first-rounders. Or, in my dream scenario, they send 1 to AZ for Boldin, 1 to Houston for Daniels, then trade down from #11 and pick up an extra 2 and/or 3, recouping what they might also need to send to either AZ or Houston.

That’s my Christmas in March wish. I don’t care that they’d need to find a new LT.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ha! I love it!

1 to Boldin 1 to Daniels an 1 for Mack? Brilliant! Dreams…..

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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!

Now we just NEED Trent to play at the top of his game!

The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.

by Cutter3636 on Mar 4, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or.....

Trade that 3rd one for Cutler!

Okay, i’m officially crazy.

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