Coles goes to Cincinnati; Bills begin Plan B
by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 3:51 PM EST
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So much for that rumor.
NFL.com's Adam Schefter is reporting that free agent WR Laveranues Coles will sign with the Cincinnati Bengals. Coles' new deal is for four years and $28 million.
Coles will replace T.J. Houshmandzadeh in Cincinnati after the former Bengal received $15 million in guarantees and $8 million annually from Seattle.
We mentioned last night (and again this morning) that the influx of free agent visitors in Buffalo today and in the coming days was indicative of the team moving on to Plan B. The Bills are believed to have offered $6 million annually for Coles' services (though that hasn't been confirmed, and probably won't be); clearly, more money, a longer deal and the presence of QB Carson Palmer made the decision for Coles an easy one. It's looking like Buffalo may have pulled their offer to Coles last night before scheduling their second wave of visits, but at present time we have no way of confirming that.
We're OK with Coles taking the money. Obviously the idea of adding him to the rotation was enticing, but letting another team overpay for Coles' services is never a bad thing. Case in point: in speaking with our resident Bengals blogger about the news, his initial reaction was, "I don't know what to say. No one else in the NFL would pay this for Coles."
And that's the moral of the story. You don't break the bank for anyone but the best of the best in free agency. It's been proven time and again that overpaying for perceived impact isn't how you build a winning program. It's frustrating, but the Bills played their cards correctly on this one.
Buffalo's initial phase of Plan B includes visits with running backs DeShaun Foster and Kevin Jones, as well as linebackers Mike Peterson, Cato June and Pat Thomas.
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we easily could have afforded that
I’m not happy with this. 4 years 28 mil was very doable
"Gooood…..let the apathy take root…" - Ron from NM
by poz on Mar 4, 2009 3:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes it was and we failed to make our offense better- I don't like it at all!
The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.
by Cutter3636 on Mar 4, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know we didn't offer him 4 years $28M?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one knows wha we offered him
We could have offered less, or more, for all we know.
Heck we could have offered him 6 per year and expected him to tell us if he had a better off so we could match it, but he never told us. point is we don’t know what happened.
But I am pissed that we missed out on him because that contract is very duable.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We should be proud management held the line and saved $1 million
Think of it this way: because the Bills were willing to stand on principle we missed signing the player who could have made the greatest difference this year in winning games and making the playoffs. Now we will likely have another losing season, the coach will be blamed for it and fired, and the team will have to start over from scratch. But that of course doesn’t matter. Everyone knows it is “smart” to avoid overpaying, even when the entire season may be at stake. We can all enjoy watching our team lose game after game in 2009, knowing all the while that we saved $1 million that allowed us to hire an aging scrub LB who will contribute (just barely) on Special Teams. I’m just bursting with pride, and I hope everyone else is, too.
by Macktruck on Mar 4, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With or without Coles...
We’re probably not making the playoffs. Can you honestly say that he was good enough to vault us over the other teams in our division?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 5, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OUCH!
That one HURTS! Feel like I just got hit in the jaw!
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by Cutter3636 on Mar 4, 2009 3:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
seriously
i hope he enjoy Cincy, what a terrible decision.
"Gooood…..let the apathy take root…" - Ron from NM
by poz on Mar 4, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
With no defense in Cincy, crying Ocho STINKO and a horrible fan base, they will be lucky to get 7 wins!
The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.
by Cutter3636 on Mar 4, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea and your right it does hurt
more than I expected it would. I’m slowly realizing there are really no other options that would have enhanced the offense like him. The only way to alleviate this would be if the Bills trade for Scheffler and signed Amani Toomer
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But he will have Carson Palmer to play catch with. No swipe at Trent, but Palmer does have a better track record. A little more money and a top flight QB…probably tipped the scales. They also resigned Benson. A good week for the Bungles, despite losing Hooseyourmama.
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by NJBill on Mar 4, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do people keep refering to Palmer as a top flight QB? I’d take about 15 QB’s before him
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by Kurupt on Mar 4, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
especially with his injury issue..
werent they debating whether he might tommy john surgery?
Bills make me wanna SHOUT!
by silverstreak3k on Mar 4, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is he more established than Trent?
Yes. He’s been to a Pro Bowl. Just sayin.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's als been in the league almost 3 times as long as Trent too..........
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 4, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's undebateable.
I was just saying he is more established so it makes sense.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if he is healthy
the guy is one of the best qb’s in the league. he has not been right since that devastating cheap hit against the steelers in the playoff that destroyed his knee. he was ripping it that year. the guy worked and came back in one off season. he wasn’t playing with much confidence with that knee and the line in front of him, and then this elbow thing was just tragic.
we’ll see. if that guy’s elbow is healed, coles is catching 1000 yards this year. maybe cj, too. maybe even henry if he doesn’t get into any fights in bar parking lots.
by oompaloompa on Mar 4, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd take him in a second over edwards
and hope his elbow is good to go.
by oompaloompa on Mar 4, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't think it was a cheap hit on Palmer...
It’s not like Vincent Wilfork sticking his arm out to take out JP. The guy was blocked into Palmer wasn’t he?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 5, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cedric Benson
If my team resigned him, I wouldn’t care too much
The Bills CAN win every game
by killascript on Mar 4, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone say that he made a bad choice in picking the Bengals because he won’t win there?
Have the Bengals been that much worse then Buffalo the last 4 years?
Bengals – ’05 – 11-5 / ’06 – 8-8 / ’07 – 7-9 / ’08 – 4-11-1
Bills – ’05 – 5-11 / ’06 – 7-9 / ’07 – 7-9 / ’08 – 7-9
They have a least a play-off appearance the last 4 years.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, once, 4 years ago
I’ll admit that the Bills haven’t exactly been on a path to dominance, but at least we haven’t been in a tailspin for 3 years. we’ve actually been more or less competitive.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not.
but at least we haven’t been in a tailspin for 3 years.
Nope, instead we’ve been the very definition of mediocrity. Our tailspin has only lasted 8 weeks so far.
by twoeightnine on Mar 4, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, instead we’ve been the very definition of mediocrity.
actually mediocrity would be 8-8 right? so that means with 3 straight 7-9……..
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We're the very definition of less than mediocre.
by twoeightnine on Mar 4, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is really worse than that
I am sure someone has the numbers, but we have a horrible record vs teams with a winning record over the past 3 years. Who cares if you beat the bottom dwellers if you can’t beat playoff teams.
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we’ve been 7-9 the last 3 years. In that span the Bengals were 8-8, 7-9, and 4-11-1.
I really don’t see how we can be considered that much better.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't saying that we were that much better
Just that the Bengals aren’t better than us at the moment.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You really need to take off your red, white and blue glasses.
We’re no better off than them. We’re no worse off than them. Both organizations aren’t going to be prime destinations. Both are afterthoughts.
by twoeightnine on Mar 4, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed on that
neither team is a good destination for FA’s right now, although i do believe that we have a much better foundation on which to build on than the Bengals.
We have players either entrenched or develloping at most positions, we’re building for the future (as long as we can keep hold of our assets and not let too many Greer’s slip through our fingers). The Bengals on the other hand have Palmer (which I’ll admit is much better than Trent) and Ocho Cinco, otherwise from that their developping players are further behind ours and their firmly entrenched players are much fewer than ours.
Yes I agree that both teams are comparable in mediocraty, but at least we show signs of being able to move towards success. (also keeping in mind that at this point success could simply be a winning season)
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we are better off than them
we have promising players on both sides of the ball.
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Have you watched the Bengals lately?
Their defense is horrible! Absolutely horrible! Our offense is average, and our defense is slightly above and will be great this year! The Bengals, they will continue to be horrible for many years to come.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 5, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
their going backward and at least we’re going…..well at least we’re stalled at mediocrity and not mediocre to bad like them
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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Scuba Steve plays well this year, we will not miss Coles.
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 3:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Joe I like your thought process
and not just because you drink the Sammy. I LOVE STEVE JOHNSON. Stay healthy Steve!
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by Cutter3636 on Mar 4, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was got back and was going to say the same thing.
This is a blessing in disguise – since a majority of the fan base doesn’t beleive we will go the playoffs next year – we will get to see what Johnson/hardy can do.
Obviously it would have been nice to get coles – but this doesn’t bother me either – develope those guys!
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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would start believing if we signed people!!!
We are a good football team, if Edwards stays healthy all season and we had Coles and a DE and LB last year we are in the playoffs!
"Gooood…..let the apathy take root…" - Ron from NM
by poz on Mar 4, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
awww come on poz – if if if.
i know what your saying – but I like developing these guys – I think thats half the fun of it watching your drafted players be groomed and make something of themselves
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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
i do too but I also like the guys we have groomed: Marshawn, Peters, Edwards, Poz, even Whitner, Greer, Kyle Williams, Brad Butler. And that is precisely why i want to surround them with the pieces left to be filled in order to give them a chance to succeed. Great teams are built through the draft but no great teams dont use free agency as a tool as well.
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great teams are built through the draft but no great teams dont use free agency as a tool as well.
That’s what most people always seem to forget. They bash teams like the Redskins and say they don’t want to be like them, but the Skins are an extreme. Even the best of best teams use free agency. So to constantly use the “we want to build our team through the draft” excuse is hollow to me. I agree with the statement, but the statement doesn’t mean that you tottaly disregard free agency. And just to present a counter-argument to those who will say that Buffalo doesn’t disregard free agency and that they have signed multiple guys this off-season: Yes, the Bills have signed guys, but they have constantly refused to do what it takes to get real difference makers in here.
John I.
by jri111 on Mar 4, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes – however – the FA pool wasn’t exactly deep to begin with.
also – do we want to pay out of the butt for a older WR?
they are obviously trying to acquire talent – and may do so via trade – but honestly there wasn’t much out there.
not signing coles isn’t the bills not trying – thats the bengals paying too much
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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
okay
First, Coles is 31, he’s not acient. He has a number of good years left in him. Second, $7 million is the going rate for WR right now. That’s the market! Every year it’s going to go up. We have to stop looking at it as if it were 5 years ago. $7 million for a solid number 2 WR is not overpaying. Not now, not in 2009 it isn’t. Inflation’s a bit*h, but we have to deal with it.
As for the free agent pool, it’s never going to be deep like it was years ago. The cap is too large and teams have too much money to let the real good players get away. That’s why teams need to target 1 or 2 players they feel could make a real difference and go after them hard. Sometimes you have to spend more than you would like. That’s the nature of the beast.
John I.
by jri111 on Mar 4, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd
jri111, right on…..Stroud was a difference maker for us last year….a chance at getting a Coles is something you pay $10 mill guaranteed for at least cuz the years mean nothing! You can cut a guy after 2 years, pay him a total of $15 mill and have him off the books….but if you wanna make a push at the playoffs YOU GOTTA SPEND
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Mar 4, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
touche
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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats what i love about this place
people dont just argue for the sake of argument. There is actual acknowledgment when the other side has a good point even if your not convinced. Good points by both of you J2 and jri111, makes for good reading.
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Second that.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Love it
IT,s one of the reasons I joined
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, the Bills have signed guys, but they have constantly refused to do what it takes to get real difference makers in here.
I’m a firm believer that you draft your difference-makers and sign your role players. We’ve signed our role players; our approach to free agency this year is excellent. Now we just need to draft a difference-maker (or seven).
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I personally think 9 difference makers is better than 7 Brian.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We’d need nine draft pi… oh, I see where you’re going with this.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just like arguing...
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i want 10 then
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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know
I think sometimes you have to take a chance. The pats got Randy Moss via trade and Wes Welker (there 2 difference makers), the phins got pennington & Joey Porter through FA, the Jets whole team is Free Agents, The Cardinals got Warner through FA. What I’m saying is sometimes you have to supplement your team with FA stars. Not everyone builds teams like the Steelers, Titans & giants and even the Giants this off-season went crazy in FA with Canty & Bernard & Boley. The Bills should have made this move….unless they have a trade up their sleeve for a “DIFFERENCE MAKER” the NFL draft is not nearly enough to provide that. We’ve drafted ONE playmaker since 2006, McKelvin…..that’s not nearly enough.
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Mar 4, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lynch isn't a playmaker?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would say
he kind of is, but he isn’t a homerun threat or a guy that has shown that breakout ability…..yet. Yeah he’s a nice player but i’m not ready to crown him in the words of Denny Green!
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Mar 4, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll remember that the next time he carries four guys into the end zone.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or
the next time he he gets lit up with his 4 buddies on a random afternoon, or the next time he runs over a woman in his SUV, or the…..
Jk…he is a playmaker but our offense is anemic and Coles would have brought a dynamic we haven’t had in years
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Mar 4, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I won't argue the point on Coles.
But it’s not the end of the world to lose out on him.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
i am not at a loss about it….but it’s like Kurupt and DE’s…that’s how I am with this group of pass-catchers…..we’ve had Evans, Reed, Parrish forever now, and I know so many of you are sold on Steve Johnson but I ain’t…..and Hardy is a long ways from anywhere close to productivity-ville, so playmaking WR or TE is such an obvious NEED I get frustrated……i hope it gets addressed at the very least with Mr. Casey in the draft
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Mar 4, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rest assured it will be addressed.
They need to at least bring in one TE to fill the roster out.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel you Marv
I’m not too big on johnson either. I mean he has shown a few flashes, but in realiy what has he done to show that he can be great? or even consistant for that matter. He hasn’t done anything yet. I’ll admit he’s got potential, but how many times have we had a player that has all the potential in the world, and then just watch them fade away for lack of effort, dedication, consistancy or even just plain old playing ability? I’m not sold on Johnson yet… yet.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Insert Joe. P joke here.
I feel you Marv… I’m not big on Johnson….
Canadian Fan… That’s not something you should be admitting to us!!!
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
just walked right into that one didn’t i?
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's great where it counts
We don’t need homeruns. He’s deadly in the red zone, especially when we’re 10-15 yards out.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 5, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Time will tell
And usually, you might get a one year spike. In NE’s case, Moss and Welker have resulted in a net of 0 SB wins. Sure, they made the SB, but they probably could have without them.
The Jets are going to be a circus for years because of the damage from last year’s FA. The Redskins have gone with FA after FA since Dan Snyder bought the team, with no success. I don’t think the Giants are on an upward arc.
The Kurt Warner signing in AZ was a good one, but only because of their O-Line working out. Without them, they would of had NY Giants vintage Warner.
Pennington was a good deal for the dolphins, but he wasn’t signed to a break the bank contract. Porter’s stats look good, but probably don’t mean as much as we think they do. (Sort of like Ray Lewis).
If you look at overall success in the salary cap era, its the teams filled with homegrown talent that rise to the top. NE for the most part was a homegrown team until the Moss and Welker signings, and we’ll have to see how that works out. They signed Rosevelt Colvin a few years back and that worked out great. They also signed Adalius Thomas, and he’s been OK but nothing special.
For the most part, especially for the Bills, the best approach to FA is the one they’ve been following this year. Once we’ve added a couple talents through the draft, we could have something special for years to come. Or would you rather have one playoff run this year, and then 3 or 4 3-13, 4-12 seasons?
by syrbillsfan on Mar 5, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s pretty much exactly what Kirkendall said to me about Andre Caldwell and Jerome Simpson. He called the signing a “headache”.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
personally – don’t bash me jrl111 – but i think they overpaid for him. i think a lot of these FA think their worth more than they are – agents probably
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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a lot of people are agreeing with you.
If John comes after you I’ll protect you. :-)
J2 – working double time on the Sabres and Bills today. Good to see.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
aww heck ya – taking on the laughs tonight
glad they signed connelly – better re-up stafford too
gotta make a run!
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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no backup goalie.
re-sign Connelly.
Also got a guy from the Leafs I didn’t know.
I don’t follow hockey like I do the Bills but I pay attention.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no we got a goalie today
http://www.diebytheblade.com/nhl/players/l.nhl.com-p.620
some guy I don’t know
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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha,...
I meant “new” but wrote “no”
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh – i always do that
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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Telquist
He’s a great backup goalie. Played for the Leafs a few seasons back and carried them on his back for half the season. been burried in the cayotee’s depth chart for the last 2 seasons thought.
he’s a quality pickup for you guys.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
watch it bud
your talking about my habs there, and at least my team’s in the playoffs!
They wont last in the playoffs for long, but at least they’ll get there!… i hope.
Congrats on keeping Connelly, would have loved to have been able to take a stab at signing him in the off season.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean playoff position...
The playoffs are a long way off brother. And we’re gonna take them out tonight!
Connelly is only good when he’s on the ice….. that’s been the problem.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'M pretty sure we're both going to make the playoffs
both are descent teams, althought the habs are better :P
5-3 for a habs win tonight
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you guys talking about Tim Connolly? He grew up on the street behind me, ha.
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by Kurupt on Mar 5, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cool.
Yes we were. The Sabres signed him to a two-year, nine million dollar deal though he is rarely healthy.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 5, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol – i thought we played the leafs hence the laughs reference
le habitant has a different nickname – well obviously – the habs
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by J2 on Mar 5, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you guys kick my ass last night.
well at least i’m not as bad as the Maple Laughs
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 5, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
too bad we couldn't get the shut out.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 5, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was got back
nice J2…nice
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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i fully agree with you guys
I am really high on Steve Johnson and I think he can be an effective #2 next year with Reed playing the slot. I would have liked to get Coles at a reasonable price but more importantly I did not like the idea of a 4y contract simply because I think Scuba Steve will develop quickly. I am really ok with this outcome and I am looking forward to seeing our guys develop.
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by keysh67 on Mar 4, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes….what did we end up offering I wonder…That’s a pretty sizeable contract for him.
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by Kurupt on Mar 4, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It is a pretty sizeable contract but what if it is backloaded? Simply cut him in 2 years and you are done with him
The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.
by Cutter3636 on Mar 4, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's most likely frontloaded
With at least $10-15 guaranteed. Kind of like our Dockery deal.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 4, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's only
1 more year and $1 million/year more than Buffalo’s supposed offer
John I.
by jri111 on Mar 4, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What a shame….oh well
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by Kurupt on Mar 4, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
shame is right...I cant believe the Bengals stole him
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is it really only 1 year and 1 mil more than us?
that is terrible
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well if the rumors of the 3 year/$18 million is true
then yeah, all they did was add a year to ours and a $1 million more per season. Who knows if we counter offered after that, but if I have any feel for this front office, they probably stuck their ground and let Cincy have him for just that much more. If that is true (and i don’t konw if it is or isn’t), it’s a lot like the Panda situation, where we offered him a multi-year deal and he wanted 1 year deal. We wouldn’t give it to him. San Fran. did and we lost out.
John I.
by jri111 on Mar 4, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I really wanted Coles, but I’m not about to pay 7 mill for him. 16 mill invests in wrs is too much.
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by evdawg419 on Mar 4, 2009 3:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
It would have been much more than 7 mil up front. I think it’s probably more like $15-18 mil over the first 2 years with whatever bonus.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 4, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy the money
Cuz you won’t enjoy the losing, Coles!
Get the Bills back to the big game!
by Blitz on Mar 4, 2009 3:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
good call!
"Gooood…..let the apathy take root…" - Ron from NM
by poz on Mar 4, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOSING A LOT!
The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.
by Cutter3636 on Mar 4, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we Bills fan are in line for the same ride here.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is no one else thinking that was alot for coles
i had no problem with 6 million, but this is 7 a year for a guy that is not at the prime of his career. im not all that sad to see him go there if thats what it took to get him. funny thing will happen when carson goes down with a bad shoulder again and good ol jp is throwing to him
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 4, 2009 3:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
HA!
oh the irony! that would be amazing!
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be HILARIOUS!
The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.
by Cutter3636 on Mar 4, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JP is close to signing with them
can’t wait to see what happens to the Bengals after he starts 12 straight games for them lol
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They picked JT OSullivan over Losman...
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 5, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good
i’ve been hoping that losamn signs with the jets for a while now
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 5, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When you consider
that Coles is 31 and on the downside of his career, yeah, that’s a lot.
Get the Bills back to the big game!
by Blitz on Mar 4, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup - they OVERPAID
and – they have this guy Cedric Benson at halfback- he is going to be their savior! LOL
The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.
by Cutter3636 on Mar 4, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they just paid 10 million a year
for coles and benson……where is that franchise going?
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 4, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Same place they always are
To the number one draft pick in next years draft.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 4, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL - that is VERY TRUE!
The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.
by Cutter3636 on Mar 4, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad
We’ve almost worked ourselves into the same category. We may look more professional doing it (if you don’t count the Jets’ early christmas present), but the results are almost the same. I think (a.k.a hope and dream) that we’re really close to putting this whole thing over the top. If our defense shaves a couple more PPG allowed off, the offense will only have to be consistent to get us to the playoffs, not great. So Close! So Close! I think Pioli leaving NE and the Jets mess helps our long term prospects as far as AFC east play.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 4, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
but we MUST send Trent the message that we are investing in HIM. You do that by surrounding him with talent.
"Gooood…..let the apathy take root…" - Ron from NM
by poz on Mar 4, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
like i said
not that down about coles, he was a surprise to be even on the market. this might also drop crabtree lower….im not saying im just saying. and i think the extra year (he would be 35) and the 4 million extra (all 4 years) was too much for an aging vet…. just my opinion
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 4, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's FA for ya
It a game of chicken, but you don’t have a steering wheel. Or brakes. If you want your man and people know who he is, you’ll have to pay 50% more than he’s worth. I’m still ecstatic about the prelim contract numbers on the Bills free agents. If they work out, we should have a long and prosperous future.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 4, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hangrtner 4y 9.2M
Is a GREAT deal if he turns into the centre we hope he is.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
centre
HAHA you’re Canadian.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh f off
i’ll write how i want to write lol
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll just call it a misspelling.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to work with a girl from England, she would spell stuff that way all the time, so I’m used to seeing that stuff.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
it’s cool, I’ll just make fun of you for dropping the u in colour
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's spelled right where I live!
and in the rest of the world for that matter.
you americans, walways so self centered. ;)
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two things:
walways?
and notice this: centered see anything there?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lose the w
and i’m not the one who chooses how to spell the words, i just spell them how i was thought to spell them… you know, the right way :p
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You probably mean "taught"
not thought… unless that’s how it’s spelled in Canadian… :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 5, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Mar 5, 2009 2:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So I was right - Coles isn't coming here
We must do something to bolster our passing game!!
The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.
by Cutter3636 on Mar 4, 2009 4:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
toomer? curry?
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 4, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Scheffler and Toomer
we cant afford not to add receiving options with Hardy hurt! I wonder how Trent feels about this news, thats got to be demoralizing to a young QB. You want so bad to succeed but the FO thinks that 1 mil and 1 year more is not worth it to help you lead the team to a better place. I’m sure Lee Evans is sour too. This sends a negative message that we arent serious about helping our young offensive corp unless we ad Scheffler and Toomer
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not serious?
We offered the guy $6M a year. We were definately serious. We can’t go outbidding people in free agency when he’s not worth it.
Toomer’s phone hasn’t rang yet according to his blog.
I don’t expect them to go after anybody but if they do I like what he brings to the table and he could be had cheaply.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All this means is that we are more likely to get a vertical threat TE in the draft,
and sign someone like Toomer.
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or not sign Toomer and go with Hardy.
and get a new TE.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mediocre Roster + Mediocre Players = Mediocre Roster.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so you can say a rookie WR is gonna be mediocre?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
If this team is only gonna get better players through the draft, then they need like 5 more draft picks.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WOah woah woah.
I was talking about Hardy. I wasn’t clear on that.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
then they need like 5 more draft picks.
in the 2nd round!
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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes indeed.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll set up a meeting with New England’s people.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Bills expect to get better, then they need to get better players.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or the players they have need to get better...
Which I think will happen with Hardy/Johnson. That is why you don’t bench a guy after year one.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sure fort worth – but you have to admit their trying.
plus – if trent plays lights out – all of a sudden we go from mediocre to good/great.
it realy is that simple – its a QB’s league
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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're sounding more like Brian every day.
THe dogma is taking over!!! evilly laughs muah hahahaha
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ehhxcellent
Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?
by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trying.
It reflects on the players, too. I love how this team always plays hard. I wish there were awards for trying. Effort, Effort, Effort. Why not acquire some talent to go with it?
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand this equation. Mathematically speaking, it makes no sense.
MR + MP = MR + MP.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fort Worth's Theorem
MR + MP = MR.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Refresh your browsers if you want an initial take from our Bengals blogger, folks.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 4:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
CRABTREE!!!
If the Bills draft Crabtree, he would almost be forced to sign with the Bills. HaHaHa…
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
“almost” haha
Bills make me wanna SHOUT!
by silverstreak3k on Mar 4, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
John Elway, Bo Jackson, Eli Manning…Michael Crabtree? What an embarrassment.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He could still
Pull a Favre or Eli Manning on draft day!
by syrbillsfan on Mar 4, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Favre?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he ask
To be traded by the Falcons?
by syrbillsfan on Mar 4, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I recall...
THe Falcons got a first round pick out of it a year after spending a second rounder to get him.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The falcons coach hated Farve
So when the Assistant GM (the guy the picked Farve in the second) got hired by GB as their GM the next summer, he immidiatly trade his first pick for Farve.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Glanville (Falcons coach at the time)
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the only guy who knew what the had left
and took Farve with him.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 5, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
After a couple of minutes
In the cincy jungle, I think the Bengals are screwed. I didn’t look too hard, but you had to scroll way down the page in order to find a hint of anything about defense. Is it just me that thinks Cincy’s main problem isn’t offense? Or is it just that they are in denial about their non-existent defense? They are going to be terrible! Their biggest concerns were in this order WR, RB, FB, Backup QB. (At least as far as the front page posts on their blog)
I am VERY happy to be a fan of the Buffalo Bills right now. I think we should send the LB’s we don’t want fro their visit here straight to Cincy.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 4, 2009 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Football is a man's game....
Football is a man’s and is won and lost in the trenches. Forget about Coles and trade for Waters. With a nasty OL, this team can be dangerous!
by buffalo69 on Mar 4, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
AGREED!!!!!!!!!!
"Gooood…..let the apathy take root…" - Ron from NM
by poz on Mar 4, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
maybe they dont realize there are two units that line up on either side of the ball
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also if you think about it
wasnt tj offered 5 years at 8 million a year. coles just got 4 at 7 million, do people on this blog really think coles is that good? does he really compare to tj that closely. im sorry but bengals over-paid, probably cuz they were upset with tj. just seems like a dumb dea for cincy.
Bills make me wanna SHOUT!
by silverstreak3k on Mar 4, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
making ourselves feel better?
How come no one said the supposed 3 year/$18 million ($6 million per year average) contract was “overpaying” for Coles, but when he inks a deal for 4 years/$28 million ($7 million per year average) with another club, all of a sudden they overpayed for his services. To me that seems like our self justification for not signing another potential free agent that could have helpped this team. I’m not buying the positive spin that some are trying to put on this. If it looks like a skunk and smells like s skunk, it’s probably a skunk. I hate after-the-fact spin
John I.
by jri111 on Mar 4, 2009 4:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
How come no one said the supposed 3 year/$18 million ($6 million per year average) contract was "overpaying" for Coles
Does it count if we thought it? Because yeah, I thought it.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To expand – I tend to focus on players more than money. I liked the idea of Coles coming here. I wouldn’t have offered as much as the Bills allegedly did (and before you go calling us out again, keep in mind that we have NO IDEA how much the team really offered). But I kept my trap shut because there was obvious positive to bringing Coles in. I’m relieved we didn’t have to overpay for his services; and if we had, I might have had a moment’s pause before celebrating.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
Evans is getting $9 million average per year, correct? I’d rather compare the guaranteed money.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
EXACTLY.
You just put my thoughts into words.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I don’t see Coles being worth $6 mil / year.
He was gradually being phased out in NY, he lost the #1 WR job to Jericho Cotchery. How many #2 WR’s are worth $6 million? None.
Get the Bills back to the big game!
by Blitz on Mar 4, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
6 a year for 3 years
is a better deal in my mind by a long shot. first its one year less on his aging legs/hands. also a million is a million, thats not chump change. i also believe the only reason buffalo “supposedly” offered 6 a year is because that what was thought it would take to get him after he turned 6 down in NY. fact is, the deal is not what the bills offered and was more expensive, and we don’t know guaranteed money comparisons, could have been a big difference there too. i was excited about coles, but at the 6 for 3 years, not for 4 at 7 a year. i dont think 6.5 five for 3 years would have been good either. we offered the exact minimum it was thought to get coles here, period. hes not that good, but he def would have helped
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by silverstreak3k on Mar 4, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fair point,
and I don’t know the details of the deals, but I thought 3 years for an older receiver was about as far as I would want to go for 7 M a year.
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because...
with basically 2 viable FA WRs on the market it’s a given that teams will overpay. TJ wasn’t worth the $8 mill per that he got from Seattle… and Coles wouldn’t have been worth the $6 mill per we offered him. But if the Bungals offer him one more year at a million more per year, then what are the Bills supposed to counter-offer with? They aren’t about to start a bidding war over a player that they had already offered too much money to.
Kudos to the Bills.
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by ForeignArrow on Mar 4, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought of Coles as a luxury purchase if we made it
We only pursued him because he suddenly came on the market, not because it was determined before hand. We made the offer he had with the Jets and stood by it, and I think the Bills brass KNEW they were overpaying by about 1-2 million a year at that point over the contract, and just decided that was it, no more past it. Also, that 4th year for Coles just seems like it may be a bad idea, many WRs don’t get past 34 anymore due to the hits, and I wonder if he will….
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Mar 5, 2009 2:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
6mil per year is too much
I’m glad someone else overpaid for his services instead of us!!!!
How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?
by Rudy916 on Mar 4, 2009 4:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just don't understand
Now Edwards will struggle and we will be left wondering if he is the guy or not. The front office just will not help this guy develop. We blew it.
How can any of you say that you wouldn’t take Coles at $7 mil? When a team is $30 million under the cap they can overpay a receiver for what it would mean to the rest of the teams progress. You guys would actually not want to sign a guy for a fraction more of our salary cap room, to fix a major issue? Wow. Hard for me to understand the logic in that.
No TE, No Receiver. Total BS. What the hell is $1-1.5 mil more a year going to hurt? Stop us from signing a washed up linebacker?
by Buffalonian on Mar 4, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that s what matter most to me
Now Edwards will struggle and we will be left wondering if he is the guy or not.
They are not showing him that want him to succeed. If they want him to believe in himself and the team management has to help their QB!
"Gooood…..let the apathy take root…" - Ron from NM
by poz on Mar 4, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why in my opinion, you overpay for Coles. Because thinking about whether Coles is worth that money isn’t the issue. It’s what is Edward’s development worth to the next 8 years. My only solace is putting it into my head that he didn’t want to come, no matter the money.
by Buffalonian on Mar 4, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They drafted two WRs in the draft last year.
and will draft a TE in this year’s draft. THey are doing the opposite of what you said.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You got me. They have given Edwards every weapon he needs on the field and should have no issues developing. Wow.
by Buffalonian on Mar 4, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McNabb does ok
With a rotating roster of kick returners. He doesn’t seem to have any confidence issues. I think Trent isn’t going to get psyched out because the Bills didn’t overpay for Coles. If he does, then we need to bring in someone else. I think you’re too used to JP Losman / Rob Johnson psychology. Trent is cool as ice and doesn’t give a crap about anything but doing better for us.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 5, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SO Edwards confidence is shot cause we didn't get Coles to be our number 2?
I just don’t buy that.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why?
it is demoralizing to not be given the weapons to succeed.
"Gooood…..let the apathy take root…" - Ron from NM
by poz on Mar 4, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There was no TE weapon out there...
so don’t even drop that one.
WR there were two guys worth going after and they went hard after one. THey drafted two WRs last year and are solidifying the guys that block for him. I think they are doing just fine attempting to surround Trent with people to help him succeed. Establishing a dominant running game is tops and they are trying to get a great third RB in.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Same ingredients, same results.
I wouldn’t wanna try to make chicken salad out of that chicken sh!t.
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by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SO you're saying a player can't get better from one year to the next
I think it;s silly. Mediocre players can get better. James Harrison, Kurt Warner, all these guys got better. They started mediocre. I don’t buy your MR + MP = MR argument when that advancement isn’t somehow addressed.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
Players certainly can improve, especially young quarterbacks with more experience. But the Bills clearly need to acquire some better players.
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by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right but who was out there?
TJ and Coles were it for WRs and TEs. They made a run at one of them. A good run. They came in second. They also like the guys they have on the roster.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
James Hardy needs to turn into Plaxico Burress...
without the guns.
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by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who was out there?
Laveranues Coles
Jason Brown
Sean Jones
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sean Jones is still out there.
And many people outside of this blog don’t think he’s worth that much as evidenced by his not being signed.
We got a center for $4M less a year.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We got a center for $4M less a year.
Yeah, but is he any good?
If they get Jones, that will be 1 out of 3.
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by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted Brown but he would have precluded us from signing Coles too.
:-)
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jones AND Coles
much cheaper than Haynesworth.
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by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
umm guys
The Ravens got Birk for a friggin steal! Two years $9 million. Good for them! If we had known he would be so cheap our line would be done. Move Geoff to guard.
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Birk
I am happy for him…..it was never about the money, although he wanted fair compensation but honestly Chilly didn’t want to have him back and for whatever reason Chilly has the owner by the balls. The Vikes are friggn idiots for not resigning the guy.
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by MARVelous on Mar 4, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought his number was 7M a year???
I wanted him so bad….. That contract makes me sad.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do they call him Chilly?
Is he short with the media up there in the Twin Cities?
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by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cuz
he is an idiot and as cold as a MN winter. I don’t know where that $7M number came from. To be honest, up until a couple days ago Birk was still hoping on the Vikings….but reality set in yesterday they didn’t want him and now he’s super pissed. He could’ve gotten even more from other teams but has some family in the BALT area and from what I’m told he was super impressed with Harbaugh, and knows Flacco through having the same agent
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Mar 4, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And WR's
99.9% of rookie WR’s suck. And by suck, I mean they look absolutely lost. Kind of like Hardy. This year should be night and day with him, especially if he recovers enough to get some time in with Trent. We will be better on O this year, and almost certainly on D. McKelvin is so awesome! Just wait guys, I think we’ll be pleasantly surprised. The Jets are going to be a mess, and I think we may finally start to see some cracks forming in NE.
(Sorry about the side note, I am getting excited for September already)
by syrbillsfan on Mar 5, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that taking Steve Johnson in the 7th meant they were focusing on drafting WRs. He was a value to them at that point; they didn’t make him a priority, and they didn’t really need to given that Hardy was expected to come into the pros ready to rock.
It didn’t happen and they drafted an insurance policy. Now they must address the overall position with some urgency next month. There’s far too much to improve for anyone to expect they solve all the issues this year.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bills hedge their bets by using multiple picks.
McKelvin and Corner, Hardy and Johnson. It’s obvious they were trying to address the need for a WR. That’s the point I was making.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 5, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No team expects
WR from the draft to come in ready to rock. Sometimes they need them too and they are pleasantly surprised if it works out. But the teams all have their stats put together and know what to really expect from a rookie WR, even a stud one, and that is NOT MUCH
by syrbillsfan on Mar 5, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And what TE were we supposed to sign?
LJ Smith? Come on man. Get down off the ledge. Edwards will be fine. There were two FA WRs worth pursuing and we gave one the best offer we could. Relax.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said TE, nor that I was going to kill myself. You don't have to get personal because you lost an arguement.
by Buffalonian on Mar 4, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No TE, No Receiver. Total BS.
Yes you did say TE.
I didn’t get personal. I think the gloom and doom stuff is overstated. Maybe my “off the ledge” comment was too.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right I said that in my opening statement, but our discussion (in my mind) went towards the effect of not signing Coles.
by Buffalonian on Mar 4, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The way this team played the last half of the season was pretty gloomy.
Don’t you just feel like the signing of an impact receiver catapults the chance of this team getting better? I just don’t understand how you can down play the importance.
by Buffalonian on Mar 4, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coles would have been a good addition.
But it’s not the only way for the offense to get better. See what we have in a new power-running offense and in HArdy/Johnson + new TE and then we can go down with the ship together.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't feel totally comfortable saying "Edwards will be fine".
You’re not concerned at all, and I’m very concerned for his development and don’t think he can get better fast enough with what we give him in the passing game.
by Buffalonian on Mar 4, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Comfortable? yeah. Ecstatic? Not yet.
The addition of a solid third RB (Sorry Xavier) shows they are going to run the ball more next year. With that in mind having a great rushing attack should help Trent’s game management.
Secondly we need to free up Evans from his double teams. Coles could have done that, but so can a new dangerous TE or even Hardy/Johnson. We simply don’t know how much they can contribute.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the addition of a third RB is a response to Lynch’s situation, and less of a sign that we are going to run the ball “more”. There are some reports saying Hardy will start out the year on PUP, which will significantly reduce how much he plays this year. In saying that, under your scenario we will be depending heavily on Johnson. I am neither comfortable or ecstatic about that. I disagree with your statement that a dangerous TE can have the same effect on a defense as a #2 receiver. To me the WR draws more attention and shifting from the secondary, where the TE has more of an effect on what the LB’s do. Not to say that the TE can’t effect the secondary, I just wouldn’t say a TE and/or WR effects the passing game in the same way. Sorry kind of rambled there.
by Buffalonian on Mar 4, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's some of both
I think the addition of a third RB is a response to Lynch’s situation, and less of a sign that we are going to run the ball "more".
If Lynch gets two games why does this matter? Are viable third RBs not around in July and August when the suspension is gonna come down? It can’t solely be that reason.
There are some reports saying Hardy will start out the year on PUP, which will significantly reduce how much he plays this year.
I was one of the people speculating that Hardy would start on PUP. The Bills coaches believe he will be back at or near the start of training camp as per Brian.
Antonio Gates, Jason Witten, any of those pass-catching TEs may force a safety to cover him as opposed to a LB meaning one less guy in the secondary to double-team Evans. A good-great TE absolutely opens up the passing game. It’s not in the same way but that’s why we want (or at least I want) a TE that can stretch the seam vertically and can’t be covered by a LB. That takes guys off of Evans.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ravens signed Matt Birk
I think we should grab Brian Waters. Geoff Hangartner is the center now, no other options. Lets get a guard if we wont get a reciever
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've been sying this
since the reports that we were working on the trades came out.
I think now that Coles signed with another team, that trade becomes much more viable. I WANT WATERS.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coles
All I have to say is I’m slightly disappointed. However, I am never displeased when the team misses out on big money free agency pickups because of the huge financial obligation that can set a franchise back significantly if it doesn’t work out.
This move though, signals to me the vital importance to take a TE in this year’s draft NO LATER than Round 2. And yes Poz, if we are going to let Coles go and all that money, then let’s go get Waters and strengthen our RUN game and Trent’s protection. Now I’m HOPING for the addition of Waters AND a Pass Catching TE in the draft. But I would be kidding myself if I really felt that that would be enough to improve this anemic offense
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by MARVelous on Mar 4, 2009 4:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
we still might yet trade for a TE
Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?
by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We are already set back significantly because we don’t have enough talent on our team.
by Buffalonian on Mar 4, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We can get a solid TE in the third...
All aboard the Beckum bandwagon.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Saved you a good seat Matt :-)
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by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Potential Passenger
What’s so great about this wagon?
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by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK.
First he broke his leg last year when he was blocked into so his draft stock took a hit.
He’s only been playing TE for three years.
He was a highly recruited OLB coming out of high school so he’s willing to take some contact.
He’s got great hands.
THat’s why I like him…. Joe?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is some stuff. Most of it is good, except for the reported 16 on the Wonderlic last spring
“Travis Beckum is part of a new wave of tight ends in not only the Big Ten, but in football in general. Like Dustin Keller last year, Beckum is essentially an H-back and/or a big slot receiver. Beckum’s versatility allowed him to set school records for a tight end in 2006 with 61 catches, 903 yards and 5 touchdowns.” http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1248
“Wisconsin’s Travis Beckum struck a blow for himself in a draft loaded with tight ends Saturday without running a step at the National Football League scouting combine. Still unable to work out fully because of a leg injury, Beckum and James Casey of Rice each bench-pressed 225 pounds 28 times to lead all tight ends. "What he did on the bench press was impressive,” said Geep Chryst, tight ends coach for the Carolina Panthers. “You’re always looking for a guy to make a play on third down and in the red zone. There’s enough plays for him to win at.” The 6-foot-3 Beckum weighed in at 243 pounds, which is 28 pounds heavier than he played at in 2007. Last spring, he scored 16 on the Wonderlic intelligence test. “He’s more competitive as a blocker than Keller,” an NFC personnel director said in reference to Dustin Keller, a tight end from Purdue drafted in the first round by the Jets last year. “He’s fast and a really good athlete. They can’t cover him no matter where they line him up. If he’s healthy enough to work and runs like I think he will, he will go first day.” That would mean in the first two rounds. One AFC personnel director agreed, but another said third round. Beckum suffered a broken left fibula Oct. 25 against Illinois. If he cannot run at UW pro day March 4, he might attempt to work out a few weeks before the draft. – Bob McGinn, The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel " http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=57404&draftyear=2009&genpos=TE
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by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All these TEs are going up the boards just when I get to liking them.
I hope he’s around in the third.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MattRichWarren and Joe P.
Thanks guys! I’ll sit on the bumper for now. LOL…
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by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
guys
honestly any of these 5 would be pheonomenal picks:
nelson, ingram, pettigrew, casey, coffman, and maybe beckum….although i’m not sold on him yet
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Mar 4, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Beckum represents the best value if we can take him in the 3rd.
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by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Noticeably absent...
Jared Cook. Thank God. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know want you mean....
I currently have us taking C/G in the 2nd and Beckum in the 3rd. Beckum started as my TE pick in the 4th round. I don’t want to have to move him up to round 2, but if we get Waters it could push taking a C/G back to round 3.
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by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if we get Waters
we wont need to take a center/guard and would probably lose our round 3 pick anyway to get him
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I should have said pushed back to the 4th round.
What happens if our brand spankin new center gets hurt? Who is our backup? Please don’t say the
“P” word!!!!!
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by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that why i think
trade or no trade, you still take a centre/guard in the second. I think Wood can play both, right?
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think so, as can Mack, Unger, and Luigs
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by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
then either one of them will do
Mack deffinatly if he’s still there, if not, wood is my first choice.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Break the Bank? I fail to understand your logic
Let me get this straight its perfectly fine to give kelsay over 6 mill a year, schobel 8 mill a year, Ryan Denney 3 mill a year. to pay reed 3 mill and parrish over 4 mill a year to pay ur kicker 2 mill a year. But 7 mill for a top notch #2 wr is breaking the bank? 5 mill for langston walker 9.5 mill for lee evans whose numbers are only moderately better than coles over the past 3 years even though he is older. Your logic makes no sense. Paying some of our back ups 3-4 mill a year or paying a very good starter 7 mill a year Especially when we have tons of cap room. Not to mention the lack of a receiving te and a curently awful passing game. Its not like Colese is 35 or 36, hes only 31 and caught 70 balls last year. This is why this team has settled for at best mediocrity the past 10 year. I dont understand why people continue to defend this organization that has messed up everything over the last 10 years. They once again drop the ball and you want to defend them. Kelsay is a character guy?The coaches like him? You win with good players meshed with character guys. Hes paid like avery good player and hes not but Coles a proven good player and perfect fit we cant pay 7 with 30+ mill in cap room. That makes since.
by pozfan51 on Mar 4, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
RED'D!! I APPLAUD THIS POST
Let me get this straight its perfectly fine to give kelsay over 6 mill a year, schobel 8 mill a year, Ryan Denney 3 mill a year. to pay reed 3 mill and parrish over 4 mill a year to pay ur kicker 2 mill a year. But 7 mill for a top notch #2 wr is breaking the bank?
Its obviously not perfectly fine but the front office seems to think so. So why wouldnt they pay a bit more than Kelsay for a guy who would have been a serious upgrade.
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they don't see him as the best upgrade
Maybe they like him for the dollar amount, which could have been 7 a year, and he took the Bengal bait. The Bills FO probably said okay, now we’ll fill our roster with some other targets and move forward toward the draft, or perhaps, move into some other mysterious phase of trying to get a trade going for a player or something else. We haveno idea whats up their sleeves, but one thing is for sure, they want a WR. So who knows where they might look as there is 1st round talent in the draft, and their is other players around the league we could nab
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by killascript on Mar 4, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
letting him go
could be an indication they will go for one of the tight ends on the trade block?
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or maybe it means just the opposite?
Maybe TE is guaranteed to be one of the first 3 picks the Bills make in the draft.
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when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pettislow at #11?
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by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
please no
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahaha
Brian is trying to get us used to the idea…
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by Fort Worth on Mar 4, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope not.
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by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he’s a big TE and if he has in game speed, I don’t care what a guy 66 260 runs in a 40 yd dash as long as it isn’t in the 5’s. He ran a 4.80 and that to me is not bad for a guy his size. I think you guys are hung up on this 40 time
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by killascript on Mar 4, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He only has to run 10 yrds to get a first.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 4, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pettigrew at 11?
Dear god no! if OBD really want pettigrew then trade ack to like the 20th pick, you’ll still be able to get him there
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What TE's are on the trade block?
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by Kurupt on Mar 5, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Scheffler.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 5, 2009 6:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well who are the others?
poz said “go for one of the tight ends on the trade block”. Am I missing something?
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by Kurupt on Mar 5, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why wouldnt they pay a bit more than Kelsay for a guy who would have been a serious upgrade
Cause it’s OBD?
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
aint' that the truth!
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by Kurupt on Mar 5, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but is it possible that they learned their lesson? that they don’t want to do these things anymore? and thats why our seeing it go this way? mmm? perhaps? writing a little book there? mmm (o.k. family guy reference there)
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by J2 on Mar 4, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Um, where did my “don’t break the bank” belief ever entail me saying that all the guys you mentioned weren’t overpaid?
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think his point
is that it is irrelevant if you know they are overrpaid. What is relevant is that some how and someone in the front office doles out the cash for mediocre players but is scared to over spend a bit for a proven commodity? Why?
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn’t make sense logicallly.
What if they know they screwed the pooch on those big deals and don’t want to repeat their mistakes?
We’re supposed to keep acting stupid with money just because we’ve done it before?
Yeah, I’d rather them do what they did.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah see
that is the difference right there. Did they learn from their mistake or is this another mistake? Don’t get me wrong I like the activity by the front office this off-season but I find it very puzzling that now we are careful with our money when we actually have cap room.
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cap room is not the right indicator.
We don’t spend to the cap. Most teams don’t spend to the cap. Talk about salary if you want but not cap room.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah
good correction MRW. Are you well versed in the NFL’s contract system? You seem to know a lot about the financial side of things.
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like to fake it.
We don’t operate to the cap per se. We operate cash to the cap. The NFL pro-rates signing bonuses over the length of the contract, even though the money changes hands in year one. On our end, we take into account the entire signing bonus in year one. It’s the main difference between the cap philosophy and cash to the cap.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good job pozfan51
that’s exactly the problem. Buffalo just dished out $3.5 million for a nicel cornerback, but won’t pay twice that for a much needed starting wide receiver. Their logic is flawed, it’s a bad joke.
John I.
by jri111 on Mar 4, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference is, John, that Florence actually wanted to play here.
You guys are acting like Coles is a drone who’ll do your bidding. He had a choice. He left our offer on the table for more than three full days. If you can prove to me that we didn’t offer him a fair deal, we didn’t up the ante at least once and Coles is in fact a robot lacking free will, then I’ll freak out right along with everybody else.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also some of you guys can’t have it both ways. You can’t complain that Kelsay and Schobel are overpaid, then complain when they don’t over pay for Coles.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oohhh...
I really like that point.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why I’m here.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
horrible point
you can question why they seem to continue to overpay for non contributors and then all of a sudden become strict spenders with productive assets. That is a habit
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What I’m saying is that a year from now that list of overpaid underachievers will be Kelsay, Schobel, and Coles.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you think Coles
is going to be underachieving next year? Its possible with his age but hes somehow been productive through some bad QBs.
My point is that is odd how we dont overpay for known talent like Winfield or Big Pat or Nate Clements but we overpay for Kelsay? It just seems very strange.
"Gooood…..let the apathy take root…" - Ron from NM
by poz on Mar 4, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just saying that a lot of guys around here like to kill the Bills for overpaying guys like Kelsay, then complain that they don’t overpay for a guy like Coles. You simply can’t have it both ways. The Bills tried to sign Coles at fair market value, the Bengals gave much more then that.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Coles produces, would he be overpaid?
The scrub DE’s don’t produce, and that’s the crux of the problem.
~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 5, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with your argument Brian...
Is that I can turn it around and say the same thing. If you can prove to me that Buffalo did offer him a fair deal, that Buffalo matched Cincy’s offer, or that Buffalo did everything it could do to get him into Buffalo, then I’ll be okay with what happened. Also can you show me evidence that Coles did not want to play for Buffalo? Becuase I haven’t seen any. See? None of us know everything that goes on at OBD, we can only speculate and look at history for a guide.
The difference between you and I is how we view this team. You’re a self described eternal optimist. I’m a realist. You tend give the front office the benefit of the doubt. I say, the hell with that. This organization has had the benefit of the doubt for the past 10 years and what have they done with it? Buffalo has fallen into the obsurity of the NLF. They have become a joke, an afterthought. This organization needs to be held accouontable by its fans. No matter how passionate we are, we can’t just blindly follow them without demanding anything in return. Or else we are doomed to get more of the same.
I don’t care how much of a good person Dick Juaron is or how hard the front office tried to get someone, I care about results. When the bills don’t get results, I’m willing to call them out on it. You come from the other side of it. You always try to find the silver lining in everything. But there is only so much silver lining. I get tired of everything trying to be spun in a positive light. It’s okay to call this team out. It’s okay to demand more out of them.
As far as Coles goes, he may or may not have wanted to come to Buffalo. We don’t know. Arguments can be made on both sides. But this situation is bigger than whether or not Coles wanted to come to Buffalo, its a mircochasm of a bigger problem. This organization, time and time again fails to bring in the talent necessary to compete at a high level. Whether it’s becuase they are not aggressive enough or because they have a flawed off-season philosophy or becuase they ran this team so far into the ground that no one wants to play here, its their fault. They must be held accountable. The buck stops with them. All I ask is that you hold them accountable for thier actions and inactions, and don’t be so quick to give them the benefit of the doubt all the time.
John I.
by jri111 on Mar 4, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You always try to find the silver lining in everything. But there is only so much silver lining. I get tired of everything trying to be spun in a positive light.
I don’t quite think you’ve got me figured, John.
I’m a realist that chooses to remain optimistic. I’m not an “eternal optimist”, we’ll leave MRW to those duties, I just call them as I see them.
I’m right there with you that it’s OK to call the team out, it’s OK with get mad, etc. But I’m not “spinning” this; I’m calling it as I see it. I’m not the type of guy who will use every little thing that happens that I’m not thrilled about as yet another thing to call the franchise out on. I call them out in two major areas: their front office structure and their inability to put a consistent product on the field. I’m too concerned with those areas to get all peeved off when Laveranues Coles decides he doesn’t want to play here.
All this little stuff? Ultimately, doesn’t mean as much as everyone seems to think it does. Is it important? Sure. But I’m sorry, signing Laveranues Coles wasn’t our one-way ticket to the post-season. Trent Edwards can still develop without Coles.
I’m a big picture guy. Screw microcosms. Screw the free agent signing period, too – it’s all hype, and rarely does it provide the payoff everyone wants it to. I’m not mad about Coles (note the lack of me saying “I’m happy he didn’t sign here”) because I happen to FINALLY agree with Buffalo’s free agent strategy. I love that they’re flying under the radar, building depth and methodically plugging holes. You fill our your roster with role players in free agency. You draft the core of your team.
Long story short: would I have been thrilled to see Coles sign here? Of course I would have. But looking at the long-term picture, this is one minute pothole on the highway. I’m not saying there aren’t problems with the front office, and I don’t think it was even inferred. I just choose not to get all stink-eyed about every little thing that doesn’t happen perfectly.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am an eternal optimist but I am realistic about it.
I don’t expect the moon and the stars I just choose to see things in a positive light and defend those who are getting destroyed by fans or the media (if I see something to defend… Donte). I didn’t rush on here and say Dockery got a raw deal or Whitner has been good or anything like that. Realistically that’s not true. I just would prefer looking on the brighter side since the dark side (or the SS Pessimist, Ron) is not where I Would like to live my life feeling sorry for myself or my team.
I am enjoying this back and forth though guys.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just choose not to get all stink-eyed about every little thing that doesn’t happen perfectly.
Neither does John in all fairness. Just because you happen not to be really upset with this issue and others are doesn’t mean that the people who are upset get “stink-eyed about every little thing that doesn’t happen perfectly”. Its quite disrespectful honestly that the people who are not upset about this are talking down to and insinuating that those who are upset is just because they freak out about everything.
Some of you don’t agree thats fine. But I tend to think that John and others who are upset have legitimate reasons that extend beyond getting upset at every little thing.
"Gooood…..let the apathy take root…" - Ron from NM
by poz on Mar 4, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair point, and I didn’t mean to insinuate that at all. So I apologize if I came across as demeaning. I just disagree with his viewpoint is all – and yours, too, as it pertains to this particular issue.
I’m starting to wonder if there’s one thing that every Bills fan can agree upon. I’m hard-pressed to think of anything, but when I do, I’m writing that article, because unity rules.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m starting to wonder if there’s one thing that every Bills fan can agree upon.
Way to lob me a softball, Brian.
Chris Kelsay stinks. Can’t we all agree on that?!?!? :)
~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 5, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Royal was anything but a "fresh of breath air" for this franchise?
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Mar 5, 2009 3:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like you, John
~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 5, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
freaking out like everybody else??
you sound like you are in the minority?? To my count, jri111, myself and a few others are upset. Most on this page seem ok with it.
"Gooood…..let the apathy take root…" - Ron from NM
by poz on Mar 4, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I tend to forget that I have a lot of people who e-mail me directly regarding stories because they don’t like to talk on-blog. Sorry.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha!
that is funny, people dont like blog talk but they email the blogger? Interesting…..
"Gooood…..let the apathy take root…" - Ron from NM
by poz on Mar 4, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just personal preference in most cases. Anybody who shares their views online is a brave soul in my mind, because in case you haven’t noticed, it can get a bit vicious out here. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 4, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean it as a compliment when I say
the dialogue here is very civil compared with other sites.
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love how we exchange opinions
instead of bitterly arguing over them
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 4, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is funny
Kudos, that is the first thing on a Bill site to make me smile in a while!
by south123 on Mar 4, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes it’s hard to tell when people are being sarcastic, but for the most part I never thought it was all that bad. Well Joe can be tough to deal with sometimes <————sarcasm. (maybe)
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 4, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me......I need to go cry myself to sleep <-------------sarcasm. (definitely) :-)
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Mar 4, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm upset
but not really because Coles is a Bengal. I sort of expected him to be anything but a Bill.
I’m more upset that we can’t go after players that would really help us, as hard as we would all like. I’m upset that I see the other AFC East teams going out to bring in players to get better, add multiple draft picks in the draft to get better, change coaches when necessary, and basically TRY to get things done even if they don’t work out, while we sign a borderline starting C, a nickel back and a backup QB (that kind of sucks). Sure, the Jets are as fiscally irresponsible as any team outside of DC and the Dolphins are throwing $150M into their OL and the Pats traded Cassel for a 2nd, etc etc etc, and these moves may backfire. These teams continue to do things that look to be widening the gap, which upsets me greatly. Mostly, these other teams are being proactive, while the Bills remain in a reactive, conservative state of mediocrity. I know it’s early, so this could be a bit off base, so don’t kill me. Overall, I feel like the Bills keep Dutch Ovening me and I can’t get out from under the covers. The stink won’t go away, but there’s always a faint glimmer of hope.
I hate getting my hopes up for things, which pretty much explains my feelings about the Bills.
~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 5, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHaHhAHAHA
oooooh man. Bravo Kurupt, bravo! That was humor at its finest.
Overall, I feel like the Bills keep Dutch Ovening me and I can’t get out from under the covers. The stink won’t go away, but there’s always a faint glimmer of hope.
That is the best description of the last decade I can imagine. HHAHAHAHAHA. I’m sorry, I can’t stop laughing. whew…..HHAAHHA
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by poz on Mar 5, 2009 2:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cincy can have him
we won’t get anywhere overpaying for veterans. goal is to build a team these guys want to come to without taking the last dollar off the table. gotta be the draft, smart second tier signings and coaching. Then we pounce on a real difference maker, not now. Problem is…not sure we have front office or sideline capabilities to get us there!
by sestak on Mar 4, 2009 6:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
not a big loss..............coles type can be found in the draft or heck....even on our own roster.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 4, 2009 6:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ron is "about 100 miles from a computer"
Here’s his take:
Am I the only one who isn’t upset about Coles? Buffalo made a fair offer to a 2nd tier free agent WR. WR wasn’t even high on Buffalo’s list of needs. Buffalo can spend some of the cash on other free agents and or try to extend McGee for a couple of years.
Or Kelsay if Wilson really does despises K.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 4, 2009 7:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
liar!!!
what have you done with Ron! and what are you doing to him to make him say such things!! haha
"Gooood…..let the apathy take root…" - Ron from NM
by poz on Mar 4, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He just posted on the front page when he got home saying similar things.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 5, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My last post for awhile
Soooo……I have been reading these posts for the last half hour or so and have a couple of comments and observations. First—like all of you, I am a fan. I rejoice when the Bills win and suffer through the losses. I get hacked off at bad penalties, delay of games and all the things that you do. However, i am fortunate to have some insight into the goings on at OBD that you do not. I am biased and readily admit it. Sometimes I may sound like an apologist, but that is OK. At least you all know my perspective and I respect your own divergent points of view—if made objectively and without the venom and personal attackes that just make my blood boil.
So—a few thoughts. You may not like it. You may not agree with it. You may not even acknowledge it. But the unassailable fact is this and it is NOT debatable.
The Bills are NOT financially competitive with 30 of the other 31 teams in this League. Bengals excepted. End of story. Period. It is NOT a matter of Ralph being cheap. It is simply a matter of the cash flow required to pay the upfront money required to pay the huge FA salaries being demanded. Get used to it people because it is NOT going to change under current ownership.
What does this mean in practicality? They have to operate smarter, be judicious with theri money and most of all—you have to know there is NO margin for error—because unlike other teams that make a mistake they can’t spend their way out of it.
Did I want L. Coles. Absolutely. I thought he’d make us better. Guess what? The Bills wanted him as well. The made him an offer—a really good one—that was as far as they could go within the context of their budget. They were outbid by a team who had just suffered a big PR hit with the loss of Housh, and needed a quick recoup. Guess what else? The Bengals still have HUGE holes to fill that as a result of the Coles signing—will not be filled. The Bills made the judgement, that you may not agree with, that they will get a better return on their money by trying to fill 2-3 other holes rather then put most of it on Coles.
I do not have to remind anybody here, but in the entire history of the NFL—there has NEVER been a correlation between investing in FA and winning. Further I will absolutely guarantee you that the Redskins will nOT win the NFC East this year, and the Jets won’t win the AFC East either. Football is a game where the whole can be the less or more than the sum of its parts—and a lot of that has to do with coaching, chemistry and MOST of all Quarterback play
Somebody here mentioned accountability by the front office. I totally agree with that. So—please, after the draft in April, objectively go back and review every draft pick made by all 32 teams over the last 4 years and tell me the grade you’d give OBD. Further—-go back and look at every FA signing—recognizing that we are on totally uneven financial footing and grade those as well. My guess is that you’ll be surprised if you are objective. Just look at the vaunted Patriots last 4 drafts—what idiots they must be—because they are collectively lousy.
The margin for error here is razor thin. We never can afford to miss here. Not on Dockery. Not on McCargo. Not on anybody. We can’t afford to trade a # 2 and a #7 for Wes Welker because we’re missing just one spare part. We can’t afford to sign Adelious Thomas because our LBs are getting old. Face it. it is the truth as I know it.
I have a question for you. IF all of you think we’ve made SO many mistakes in the composition of our current roster, how have we manged to win 21 games the last three years, with totally, inconsistent, erratic, and often just horrible quarterback play?
God knows I appreciate your collective frustration. I share in it. We all better hope that 2010 does not turn out to be an uncapped year because if that is the case, we might as well join the CFL.
I do apologize for the rant. Yeah—I wish Coles had signed here and put all of you to bed happy tonight but he didn’t. He isn’t the first and won’t be the last. I am out of here for awhile.
All Best,
Geronimo
by Geronimo on Mar 4, 2009 8:08 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
I like our drafting
as I mentioned above, I love our drafting. But there is something to be said about bringing in the talent in free agency to round out the drafted core. Sadly, if we are uncompetitive with 30 teams, I guess that means we are relegated to taking high risk players or mediocre talent.
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by poz on Mar 4, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Post
I like your insight Geronimo, your post is very frank and I think gets right to the root. Thank you for that. I don’t think that most people have had this understanding of the disadvantage that the team is at. It must be frustrating to you to read all of our disappointment. I think when you take the team in the context you present, they are actually doing a very admirable job at OBD. The team remains semi-competitive despite being in Buffalo, despite being tight on cash. I think once we own up to the fact that we just can’t afford to be competitive by just buying talent it diffuses a lot of the ranting.
And I do agree with you that winning has a lot to do with factors that have nothing to do with waving big bucks. I believe that in the NFL, any team can win on any Sunday (except the Lions). I think over the past decade there have been several rags to riches teams, like the Falcons and Dolphins, and just as many improbables, like the Cardinals.
It just sucks that we always have to be the underdog, the team who has to find a way to do more with less. Rhetorically speaking I would think that a winning team would pay for itself, but I doubt that’s true.
However, now I’m starting to think its time to just move the team to a bigger market. It would take a Bill Parcells or Belichek to get the Bills to be dominant in these conditions.
by south123 on Mar 4, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m starting to think its time to just move the team to a bigger market
That’s what the Toronto Initiative was supposed to do without actually moving the team. People complain about it, here and all over the place, but it was necessary.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 5, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
margin for error here is razor thin
Couldn’t agree more.
by krytime on Mar 5, 2009 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NO need to apologize at all Geronimo, your free to tell it like it is, and I agree 100% with what you said
And I completely understand what you mean about the Bills competing at a different level of finances compared to many many of our NFL bretheren. Sorry to hear your going away from the board for a while, hope it wasn’t this that drove you off.
As for frustration, alot of it for the people here is due to the fact that none of us have any power in making things happen for this team other than to watch it, buy their stuff so they can afford a slightly nicer plane, or player (FA or draft) but we cannot have the effect that we can achieve in Madden. Part of it is also that Wilson is personally wealthy, and none of us come close to his personal worth so we can’t quite wrap our heads around why a man worth Billions can’t pony up for it. Intellectually? Yes, Emotionally? NOPE.
Hope to see you back here soon.
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by WABillsfan on Mar 5, 2009 3:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to hear your going away from the board for a while, hope it wasn’t this that drove you off.
I would sure hope not! I think Geronimo is probably just busy or what not. I would hope that discussion following Coles’ decision would not drive anyone away from this blog. Dissenting opinion is what keeps this place worth coming to.
"Gooood…..let the apathy take root…" - Ron from NM
by poz on Mar 5, 2009 3:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jets improved 10-fold this year
They will have a shutdown Defense and if they get average play from their QB, the offense will do well as well. Sounds like a formula for division champs to me. What did the Bills do to improve any part of their team? To me, they plugged holes they created when releasing or not re-signing their own. The players they are bringing in are not team changers.
THIS PIC LOOKS LIKE 5-1 TO 7-9!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JTM1023 on Mar 7, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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