Are Bills heading toward a line-oriented April?
A week ago today when the NFL's 2009 free agent signing period opened, the Buffalo Bills went out and immediately filled their top two needs by grabbing new starting center Geoff Hangartner as well as new backup quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Phase One of Buffalo's plans continued with their heavy courtship of both WR Laveranues Coles and CB Jabari Greer. The team missed on both players, though the team rectified the depth lost at cornerback with the acquisition of Drayton Florence.
That part of the strategy is over. Phase two is now in full effect, as the Bills have hosted eight free agents that remain unsigned and will reportedly host at least two more that we know of. That's ten names in and out of the doors at One Bills Drive without a signing; that activity may re-define the word "cautious". Hopefully, at some point, the Bills will feel comfortable enough with one of these players to continue filling out their roster. In the meantime, however, the players passing through the facilities may be indicative of an exciting draft strategy on Buffalo's part.
Targeting peripheral needs
Yesterday, we spoke briefly about Buffalo's needs before yet another rash of visitors consumed our attention. As that list was a community effort, and this is an opinion piece, I'll be modifying the list a bit to fit my tastes. Regardless of whether you agree with the positions I believe the Bills need to address, it's clear which areas the Bills are focusing on.
Running Back (visitors: K. Jones, D. Foster)
Wide Receiver (visitors: J. Galloway, K. Washington)
Tight End
Offensive Guard (K. Simmons)
Reserve Guard/Center x2
Defensive End
Defensive Tackle
Linebacker (visitors: C. June, F. Keiaho, M. Peterson, J. Winborn, P. Thomas)
That's a minimum of nine additional players needed according to this list. The Bills have entertained players at four of those positions - running back, receiver, offensive guard and linebacker.
Take a look at the positions that haven't received (much) attention yet. Tight End. Offensive line depth. Defensive End. A big run-stuffing defensive tackle. At first blush, it appears that the Bills are procrastinating their trench work until the month of April.
Drafting in "win now" mode
Let's imagine a scenario in which the Bills sign two more players. That's not asking much. Considering there are five names at linebacker, a new starter at SAM seems more than likely at this point. Considering the lack of depth available at wide receiver and the fact that three running backs (including Fred Taylor) have visited the team, you have to believe that a third running back is ideally filled with a veteran as well. If a third veteran is added, it'll be at wide receiver; if a receiver isn't added, it's likely the Bills will pursue their investments in their young wideouts rather than address the position again in the draft.
That means that with seven picks in the draft, the Bills could spend anywhere from three to six of those picks on offensive and defensive linemen. There is obviously no guarantee that any rookie will have an impact immediately, and no position is "easy" or "simple" in the NFL, but if the Bills have to hedge their bets on getting a deep and instant-impact rookie class, they're putting their money on linemen. That might be the smartest thing they can do.
I love the strategy. For years, and in particular during the Tom Donahoe era, the franchise has been set back by flashy picks (Willis McGahee, Roscoe Parrish) and poor decisions along their lines (Mike Williams, Derrick Dockery, John McCargo, letting Pat Williams walk). If we're right about this, and the Bills plan on investing several picks in their lines, it's the best possible scenario not just for getting impact out of their rookie class, but for the future of the franchise. It's drafting to win immediately and to win over the long term. Yes, other positions (tight end, fullback, safety, reserve linebacker) might be addressed. But the lines appear to be the focus for April - and I, for one, could not be more thrilled about it.
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Don't get ahead of yourself just yet, Brian
This could also mean the FO views their biggest needs at LB, WR and RB. It’s highly doubtful, but ya never know. What happens if we don’t end up signing a LB, or end up with Pat Thomas or Jamie Winborn? Those guys are starting material, so they may end up addressing the position early in the draft. What if they don’t end up with Jones or Foster or whoever else is out there at RB? Do they take another RB in the middle rounds?
I tend to agree with your thought process on this one, though it very well could end up that we add another depth OL or two in FA, stick with the status quo on the DL (yuck!) and end up taking a LB, TE, WR, RB and S with our first 5 picks. That’d be horrible, but it wouldn’t surprise.
I love the idea of building the lines. We definitely need to add an interior OL, probably a guy that can play C and G. We definitely need a DE or two, and by definitely I mean it’s life or death in terms of on the football field. There is very little talent and youth there now, so it’s a must we address it early. Adding a big fatty would be nice, but they may be wiling to give McCargo one last shot.
I also think we’ll end up with the LB and RB in FA. If we add a WR, that works great too. I also think we’ll bring in another OL or two, at least for depth battles. IF we can go into the draft with a dire need for a DE and TE, and a C/G as a distant third need, I think we’ll be set up for a much more versatile draft.
Hopefully, we don’t end up with nothing in the next few weeks. I can’t see it happening, as it would be quite demoralizing in a way…..
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by Kurupt on Mar 6, 2009 12:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is this the right year for DL?
As far as I understand, this draft is not very deep in 4-3 DE. Besides, I doubt the Bills will “heavily” invest in their DL, they have a lot of rotation (a lot of bodies, I mean, the quality of the whole rotation is another matter)
by patamunzo on Mar 6, 2009 3:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the depth at DL is good for about the first 3 rounds
We can get a decent pick up with any of the first 3 picks. although the earlier the better
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 6, 2009 8:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Scouting
Just means they’ll have to work harder scouting. I think the Bills will draft 1 or 2 players from some small school we’ve never heard of.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 6, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said – this isn’t concrete. But don’t you think it’s ideal in the minds of the folks at OBD that we end up with a Jones, Galloway, and a Keiaho by the time this free agency business wraps up?
Obviously there’s a lot that could go wrong. I’m just saying that it looks like the Bills want to draft linemen.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 6, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I follow the logic and happen to agree with you there Brian – plus i’m crossing my fingers and hoping thats what they do.
Get me 3 D-linemen and 2 O-linemen and i’d be a happy camper
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by J2 on Mar 6, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brain, I think you are exactly right, although I would add that TE will (or at least should) be at the top of the priority list. Then again, since the Bills insist on using their TE’s primarily as in-line blockers, the position for them is really an extension of the o-line, My one hope is that the o-line gets more attention than the d-line this year. Yes, we need a DE in one of our first-day picks, and I think your idea of adding DT Sammie Lee Hill in a later round is a great one, but otherwise it should be all TE and interior o-line until the needs are met.
by Macktruck on Mar 6, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I do think that’s ideal, but I could see it not actually happening. I do think we will get a RB, LB and another few players still….
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by Kurupt on Mar 6, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting piece Brian
good observations and I think you may be right in your analysis. When you put all the visiting free agent names together, as you did, it really does make the draft exciting in that the trenches look like the targets. I really like this a lot. If thats the strategy I’d like to see DE at #11 and G/C round 2 followed by TE at round 3.
But…….there are a few problems here.
We haven’t signed anyone yet and to my knowledge, correct me if I’m wrong, all the linebackers you listed have left and are probably visiting other teams. We lost Coles at WR and Galloway is too old to make me comfortable signing him. Toomer is still an option but we haven’t heard anything to indicate hes a target. What if we don’t fill those needs well enough before the draft? This is a serious possibility. Personally, I can be ok with keeping our receivers because I fully expect better things out of Trent Edwards but I also know we must provide him with better weapons. A third round TE is no guarantee, Derek Fine hasn’t done much since being selected in the fourth round and didn’t help Trent immediately.
The most serious concern is at linebacker. Freddie K.O. and Cato June both have serious weaknesses that I promise we will all be hollering about during the season when June is getting stiff armed or Freddie gets toasted by a tight end. Peterson is a great pick up but I haven’t heard much about him. Again, Crowell is more appealing than 4 out of the 5 linebackers that have visited.
I guess what I’m saying is, your piece is assuming we do fill the peripheral needs adequately, and nothing yet has indicated this, and its worrying.
Also, one small thing I have to take issue with. You say in the beginning we addressed our two biggest needs already. I don’t think back up QB can be a top 2 need when we don’t have starters at OLB, TE, DE, etc.
Good write up though.
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by poz on Mar 6, 2009 12:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see DE at #11 and G/C round 2 followed by TE at round 3.
I read that and thought, “Poz must have loved my Post Combine and FA mock draft”. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/3/3/779956/post-combine-and-f-a-mock
Then I looked back……no comment….no vote. What gives?
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by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he hates your guts
I’m sure it got pushed down the Fanpost section so quickly that it may have been missed…
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by Kurupt on Mar 6, 2009 2:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's cool, I was just messing with him :-)
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by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 7:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea, K is right, I never even saw it!
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by poz on Mar 6, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just went back
here are my thoughts on your mock:
Picks I love: Rounds 1, 2, 3, and 6. Quinn Johnson! I would add Duke Robinson to your list of Mack, Unger and Wood in round 2 (anyone else starting to think Mack will actually be around in round 2?? I am!). Do you really think Nelson will be around in round 3? Isn’t he climbing draft boards? either way, him or Beckum would be great in round 3
Guys I don’t know: Jasper Brinkley I don’t know much about, your going to push Poz with a guy who tore an ACL?
Guys I don’t like: Please no more quick DTs!! I want a 300+ pound beast! Not Kyle Williams part 2! Also, I don’t think we really need to draft a QB in 7th round.
But….I voted A, because the first three rounds were awesome and I would love a power fullback.
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by poz on Mar 6, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks,
Brinkley would be able to push Poz next season. I prefer a wide body as well, but I am not sure OBD agrees. Besides, Alex Magee was meant to be Stroud’s successor. We still would need a complementary wide body DT.
The idea of drafting Pettigrew at #11 makes my hemorrhoids flare up!!!!
by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All the LBs left but I haven't heard of them visiting anyone yet.
Tampa Two is on it’s way out so few teams use it. We pretty much have our pick right now of Keiaho and June while Peterson and the other two can move on and play somewhere else. They are still out there.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 8:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, again, obviously things can go awry. I never said “the Bills will draft linemen”. The headline itself is a question. I just think that, judging from the visitors they’re bringing in via FA, it looks like they want to address the lines in the draft.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 6, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love reading your blogs...but..
whoa…whoa…they filled their 2 biggest needs? center and backup QB? Are they the two biggest needs simply because they were the 2 that the Bills actually managed to fill so far?
You’re always objective, but this one comes across almost as though you’re a mouthpiece for the organization.
I do agree on a few things though- under the radar, subtle free agent signings are better than big splashes. History has generally showed this to be true in the last 15 years of the NFL. I’m kind of glad the Bills didn’t get Coles…and their track record signing linemen (offensive or defensive) through free agency is horrible.
Signing and keeping your own free agents is important though…they’ll lose McGee next year, and they could have shored up the position for the next 3-5 years by signing Greer and pairing him with McKelvin and any one of a variety of nickel/dime corners. Florence is a stopgap at best, and one I don’t trust whatsoever.
This franchise has a long, long way to go. They have a garbage head coach, business oriented GM, and no track record in the standings or playoffs to make anyone want to play here. Invest in low level free agents and find impact players in the draft. Big ticket free agency won’t turn them around, which I agree with.
Problem is, the Bills just continually spin their wheels. Nothing they do gives you the impression they’e moving FORWARD…it just seems like everything is geared to them not falling further behind the rest of the division and conference.
by Make a play Whitner on Mar 6, 2009 1:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I must disagree with your take
1- Brian can be accussed of many things, but a mouthpiece of the orginization is way off target. He routinely disagrees with what OBD does and can be counted on to tell it like he THINKS it is. Does he look on the better side of things more often than say me or K? Sure, but a mouthpiece he isn’t.
2- Issue with your claims that C and QB were not 2 of the Bills biggest needs. Ummm, they FIRST 2 people they brought in to check on after FA started were in fact a QB and a C, so obviously the Bills felt they needed to solidfy those spots pronto. Center has been a blackhole for our team the past 3 years, Geoff may not be a starter, but the Panthers didn’t see any drop off in their running game when he played 8 games for them last season. This IS the biggest hole on the roster and they filled it. Fowler and Preston were NOT good players, and the Bills decided to move on. Hole is filled.
QB I din’t feel it was as big a hole as say LBer, but it still is a big issue with an injury prone QB as your starter. If you don’t have a backup who can play, your in trouble, and the FO obviously thinks Fitz is a step up from Hamdan and fits what Turk wants to do.
3- Signing and keeping your guys while a nice IDEA, cannot be helped when a player feels he is worth a lot more than he is. Do you honestly think Greer was worth 6 per year? I don’t, yeah he is a nice story, he played well for us, but we already have Leo, Youbuty and Corner along with McGee. McGee MAY walk next year but I doubt it, he knows we’ll pay him better than most teams to stay. Also, Drayton was brought in as a depth competitor for Youbuty and Corner, I gurantee you he will not be a starter unless Leo AND McGee are down.
4- We have NO GM whatsoever, none, nada, zip, zilch, zero. We have a group who makes a collective decision. Modrak, Brandon, Wilson, DJ and our Pro Player guy (forget his name) work as a committee to make the major decisions for the franchise. We have no GM in the classic sense whatsoever.
I don’t entirely disagree with your point about the wheel spinning that this franchise sometimes engages in, but we are a small market team, so we cannot spend our way out of mistakes like say the Redskins or Cowboys. I think if our draft goes well, you’ll be surprised at what this team can accomplish. That is if Turk learns about something call play action and that he needs to feed Blunt Mode and Action Jackson the rock a collective 30+ times a game.
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by WABillsfan on Mar 6, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Blunt Mode, it’s catching on
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by Kurupt on Mar 6, 2009 2:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure which I find funnier – “Blunt Mode” or “Bong Mode.”
by krytime on Mar 6, 2009 7:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blunt Mode is more accurate, but Bong Mode sounds funnier, IMO.
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by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 7:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pro Player guy (forget his name)
This made me laugh. Hard. I’m not sure if you planned that or not, but that’s quality stuff.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 6, 2009 7:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right after I finished the post I remembered his name was John Guy.
So, it was a purely unintentional pun
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Mar 6, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
our Pro Player guy (forget his name)
His name is, ironically, John Guy.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 8:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did miss that first part….addressing the two biggest needs. I don’t think Brian meant it that way. He’s debated with all of us what our biggest needs are and has listed pass rusher, TE, OLB and C as critical needs all along (see his link in the article). I think he meant their top two focuses of the first phase of free agency….
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by Kurupt on Mar 6, 2009 2:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And lets be honest, backup QB was a big need too. sure a lot of us would have prefered a vet here, but Fitzy isn’t as bad as ppl think… he was just on a Bengals team that had no offencive line.
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 6, 2009 8:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have it on good word from a quality source that the Bills viewed C and QB as their top two needs entering free agency – not because they viewed them as their top needs, per se, but because those were the two needs that absolutely HAD to be filled by veterans. You can choose to believe my source or not, but he told me this a few days before free agency started. Sounds like he knew what he was talking about, right?
I love it when peeps call me a “mouthpiece for the organization”. You know I don’t get paid, right? :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 6, 2009 6:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We know you don’t get paid, and it’s a shame. For that matter, we should all be getting paid by OBD for the advice given. Hell, I’d even be happy with a couple of free parking passes for the next season…
by krytime on Mar 6, 2009 7:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember getting killed for saying backup QB was a need
No money? Well then, I would settle for a nice long meaningless title like Chief honorary assistant to moderators who help the Authors who are supervised by the Editors overseen by Managers Blogger :-)
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by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 8:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Free parking passes?
at $20 a pop that’s a bargain for them and expensive for us! I like it.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know…and it was my opinion that you sounded like one, not that you are one. If I thought you were one, then I wouldn’t read your blog every day. As it is, this is the best place to come for Bills news, information, and general discussion about the team.
So, I do apologize for that, or how it came across. Whatever.
I have no reason not to believe you or your source. If you say that those were their two biggest needs, so be it- it’s what THEY THOUGHT their two biggest needs were. I’m no pro-football personnel director, but I happen to disagree.
I’m not trying to get into semantics debate or anything, but signing a couple of guys doesn’t mean they filled a need. It means they signed a couple of guys…at this stage it’s nothing more, nothing less than that. I’m optimistic about Hangartner, but given their track record with signing interior linemen, I’m not sure why. I think Fitzpatrick is garbage. Again, just my opinions.
Anyhow…I enjoy your blogs and the discussion that goes on here…it’s the best place to talk about the Bills on the internet. I just happen to disagree with you on this one…don’t take it personally.
by Make a play Whitner on Mar 6, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, don’t worry. I’m not taking it personally. Because what you’re disagreeing with is not my opinion. I’m reporting fact there.
I’d be doing things slightly differently. Trust that. Starting with a different backup quarterback. I was a fan of Kyle Boller.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 6, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You get paid in compliments and virtual hugs. That’s worth more than any monetary amount, right?
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by Kurupt on Mar 6, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s been a lot of that lately. No offense, but I’d rather have cash.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 6, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like the leg work on this one Brian, here is how I would attack the situation
FA
WR- Sign Galloway or Toomer
RB- Sign Jones, he is good when healthy and just can’t stand a feature backs carries, thats why we have ML and Freddy.
LB- Sign Keiaho as our MLB and move Poz to SLB where we can maximize his talents.
Currently, I get the feeling that the Bills have signed Chambers as the starting RG pro-tem unless they can pry Waters away from KC. If that falls through, I think we see one more vet brought in along the line like Mike Goff or Chris Naeole who haven’t gotten much play in FA yet.
Draft
Round 1- DE: Maybin, Brown, Orakpo whichever of them is left when we pick.
Round 2- TE: Nelson, Beckham, Coffman, whichever is left and Bills like most
Round 3- DE: Sidbury, he would pair with Ellis and our Round 1 pick as youth, Kelsay gone.
Round 4- C: Luigis, Geoff’s backup and student
Round 5- G: TJ Lang, big, mean, and never hurt, a Butler redux he played college OT
Round 6- DT: Whatever fat man is left who can punish a ball carrier
Round 7- Fastest kid left in draft doesn’t matter position, speed ALWAYS helps a team.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Mar 6, 2009 1:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
jones
you really need solid ST production out of a third running back, and jones isnt going to give that. I don’t even think he has played ST in the pros. He is a better fit for a team looking for a back to share carries.
by jmorris0823 on Mar 6, 2009 1:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hence my 7th rounder, let him take it up.
Besides, we already have a TON of STers on the field. And last year with Omon, ML and Freddy we only had Freddy playing STs. Omon and ML never were out there for those. So Jones coming in to replace Omon is not a big deal as the equation remains the same.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Mar 6, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it's kinda hard to play STs when you're not active.
Omon was only active for 2 games. I would assume that any veteran RB brought in would see more game action and since they would be taking up a needed roster spot would either have to play ST or someone else is going to have to do some extra double dipping.
by twoeightnine on Mar 6, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How many ST’ers do we need? Half our team is ST’s players. You don’t think we can survive with Jenkins, FB, backup TE, backup DE, DiGi, Ellison, Bowen/OtherLB, Corner, Youboty, Wendling, Scott, Simpson/other Safety, making up the majority of the ST’s coverage teams???
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by Kurupt on Mar 6, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now THAT’S a draft I can get behind. Addresses our top two remaining needs (assuming OLB is filled soon) with very good talents.
Luigs has fallen, but has he fallen that far? That’ll remain to be seen, but there are some other Center prospects out there for the midrounds that look like they’ll be solid NFLers.
Why do you like this Lang kid so much? I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, it’s just kind of odd that you’ve latched onto him. You live out in WA and this kid is from Eastern Michigan, so I can’t imagine you’ve seen him….so what gives? I do like what I’m reading about him, so I’ll join you on the bandwagon.
Fat DT. How about Terrance Knighton of Temple. Just a name to throw out there. 6’3" 321 lbs. Had 54 tackles, 7.5 tfl’s and 13 (painful I’d imagine) ball disruptions this past year, whatever those are. Here’s his NFL.com draft profile:
Positives: Good height, length and girth for his position. … Better-than-expected straight-line speed and change-of-direction ability, able to sniff out and disrupt screen plays. … Will chase plays downfield. … Strong upfield rush, either up the shoulder of his defender or splitting double teams. … Uses his long arms to wrap up in the open field or track down ballcarriers coming through the hole. … Flashes violent hands, especially when his man retreats off the snap in passing situations. … Active knocking down passes and blocking field goals because of his push, arm length and large hands. … Keeps cut blocks off his knees. … Athletic enough to quickly jump on loose balls and get down quickly in short-yardage situations.
Negatives: Might be a nose tackle and three-technique “tweener.” … Not particularly explosive off the snap. … Doesn’t play as strong as his size would indicate and he will stand after the snap, giving up leverage. … Needs to use his hands more consistently at the line to free himself to make plays or to bull rush his man into the pocket. … Doesn’t have many pass rush moves. … Must be more consistent pressing after the initial pop.
Also:
Teams looking for a one-gap 4-3 nose tackle will be most interested in Knighton.
I’d have to say, I like those positives, and many of those negatives seem correctable if coached up. I like the potential he’s got, and right now I’ve seen him as a late rounder, so 6th would be good for him. I think I’ve found my new 6th rounder in my next mock….
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by Kurupt on Mar 6, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RE: Lang and our fat man DT
He is getting a ton of the same sort of press and looks that teams gave Butler, in that he is more buit for the G position in the pros than college. He was a very decent pass blocker and absoutely MEAN run blocker which I want. He will also need some time to “get it” at the pro level so he can be found late and is BIG. So far all of the knocks I have found have been minor things, like needing to work on his hand positioning while blocking, but many of the positives are the same. Meaness, smart, hard worker, those are tough to ignore. Besides, from what I’ve read, he played like I did which means reckless disregard for onself, relentless and MEAN. I may not have been big enough or truly skilled enough to play ball, but I made sure the other team knew I was playing. Otherwise so far I haven’t found any places that really knock him otherwise, so if we go for a late G, I would like someone like that. So thats all, he just fits what I think would be a good late pick.
I will need to read up and try to find some videos on this Knighton guy. Sounds like the perfect guy to replace McCargo with if the light doesn’t come on for him this year with a new DL Coach.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Mar 6, 2009 2:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some more things on TJ Lang
Here is some video of him at the Texas vs. Nation game
He shows good feet and hand positioning and a more than ample willingness to keep mixing it up till the whistle.
Over at the Chicago Suntimes, they are reporting that the Bears are looking at him as well, not a bad point in favor of the kid.
Lastly, here is some info on him from CBS sports’s draft section
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Mar 6, 2009 3:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
K
I did look at Terrance Knighton. Seems good but since “high motor” doesn’t appear anywhere in his bio, I doubt we draft him.
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by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 8:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know. He chases plays down field, you don’t see many DT’s doing that. It never really said that his motor was an issue, usually these reports point that out….
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by Kurupt on Mar 6, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can Keiaho play inside? I thought (and could be wrong) that he was strictly an outside guy.
You think Luigis really falls that far?
by krytime on Mar 6, 2009 7:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Colts bloggers said he played WLB....
But he is more ideally suited to MLB and isn’t capable of playing SAM. They just had Gary Brackett already playing there. We would have to move Mitchell or Poz and Poz is the more likely candidate.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 8:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Naeole would be a good add on
I honestly don’t know why ppl aren’t calling him, he’s a quality starter
by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 6, 2009 8:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sign Jones
I like jones a lot and given our predicament, I’d love to see him in a Bills uniform. But I don’t feel that we need him long term, so hopefully he prospers in Buffalo, then we can trade him for a pick.
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by keysh67 on Mar 6, 2009 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Put Pettigrew at 11. Get used to the idea people. It’s gonna happen.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Mar 6, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not according to Geronimo
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by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s early. Be prepared for him to change his stance.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 6, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oooooowwwww maaaaannnnnnn!!!!! Just when you thought it was safe to lock in a DE.......
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by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great – now we’re getting a DB in the first ;)
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by J2 on Mar 6, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol Joe – the first time i read that I thought your signature said i like fat guys and stinky women – i laughed – but now i just agree. (well fat guys for my O and D lines just to be clear)
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by J2 on Mar 6, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pettigrew is going to slip to the bottom third of the 1st round and maybe even the top of the 2nd round
Terrible pick at #11!!!! Glad you liked the sig, but now I have to change it :-)
The idea of drafting Pettigrew at #11 makes my hemorrhoids flare up!!!!
by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i change mine all the time – and yes – no pettigrew at 11. much better players available that will help us
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by J2 on Mar 6, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe you better switch to stronger stuff than Sammy
Maybe a peaty schotch that will really take you mind off of it.. Something like a Lagavulin 16..
’Cause the Bills will be trading down and taking Pettigrew this year. I am quite convinced that this is a very plausibel scenario, getting extra picks should definitely be their priority this year – no doubt in my mind.
Reasoning:
a) There really isn’t a pure 4-3 pass rushing DE in this year’s draft, most are too small.
b) With KC trading for Cassel, there is a big chance that either Sanchez or Stafford are still there making the Jets, Bears, Bucs & Lions really good potential trade partners
c) With Both the Bengals & Seahawks overspending on WRs in FA, I doubt that they go for crabtree especially with the uncertainty around his surgery/lack of 40 speed.. the possibility of Crabtree falling to us is much increased. I actually wouldn’t mind spending the 11th on him, he has the potential of being a Calvin Johnson type player but if you don’t pull the trigger, then he becomes great trade bait with teams such as the Eagles, Vikes & Ravens.
If there is one thing that I know is that we are not a team on the verge and stocking up on 2 & 3 round talent would be great for depth down the road. Unlike you I do believe that Pettigrew is 1st round talent. You know how strongly I feel about defining our offensive identity around a power running game so it should be no surprise to you that I am so high on Pettigrew. He is the only everydown TE in this year’s draft. He is amazing as a blocker and he can really catch the ball well. Is he a deep threat? no. Does he need to be? absolutely not! Heck, I could even see a scenario where we would draft 2 TEs (1st & 4th)
Getting Pettigrew no only gives Trent an awesome target over the middle but it also guarantees excellent blocking on the outside, increasing our ability to pound the football! I liked what I saw from Fine last year, I could just imagine double TE sets with Pettigrew & Fine, both excellent blockers & both able to make the difficult catches over the middle. Pounding the ball never looked better!
I like the 2nd round talent: Mack, Unger, Stintim, Barwin, Brace, johnson
Potential 3rd round talent: Nelson, Wood, Marks, Robinson, Ayers, Robiskie
Potential 4th round talent: Magee, Coffman, Vaughn, Sidbury, Sheets,
I really think that we need to grab more picks and get some athletes into Buffalo through the draft. Attracting FA’s is definitely not our strong suit so we need to do it through the draft and getting a surplus of picks is the best way to succeed quicker.
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by keysh67 on Mar 6, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great post keysh67
I am all for the trade down senario. I am not for taking Pettigrew at #11. Give me Raji, Maybin, or Brown in that order. I would even consider one of the top LBs if they fell.
The idea of drafting Pettigrew at #11 makes my hemorrhoids flare up!!!!
by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like you, I’m still not with Pettigrew at 11, but I wouldn’t mind him at all. He’s not going to stretch the field, but neither did Mark Bavaro, and he turned out pretty well. Big, physical TEs who use their body well can still be major weapons.
by PozDispenser on Mar 7, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, well said.
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by keysh67 on Mar 8, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt be upset at all if every pick was used on OL and DL.......
infact…it would be all the better to shore up the lines for our next head coach next year….so he can bring in the skill people he wants :)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 6, 2009 3:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What to make of the large number of FA's that come and then leave without contracts:
I don’t really follow other teams, but it strikes me that most don’t bring in a lot of players this time of year unless there’s a strong probability they’ll be signed. Set aside the monster contracts. Anyone considering spending 5 mil or more can have second thoughts.
But the Bills have hosted eleven guys, all but Coles second or third tier free agents, with no sign of letting up. Many stop on their way out to say hello to Chris Brown, tell the fans it’s been nice meeting you, your coaches are great, I could help this team… and now I’m off to visit with Big Bill in Boston.
What’s up with this parade? Are the Bill simply lowballing these guys, trolling for the best bargains, or does something truly come up during the interview process that causes both parties to walk away?
The coaching and pro personnel people already know what they need to know. The physical by the team doctor should be a formality. The player’s agent and team rep already have done the broad outlines of a contract, or what’s the point of even meeting? This should all be in place before the player makes the effort to fly in and shake hands with the trainers and equipment guys, which seems like window dressing for the fans and media.
I don’t recall the Bills operating like this in the past. Definitely not last year. Maybe we saw 6 guys total, and I remember signing Stroud on the first day.
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We traded for Stroud.
and it was on the second day.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 8:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been beating this drum for some time
if you don’t have quality lines you really don’t have much. OBD would be wise to focus on those spots, especially if we are going to run the ball effectively and stop the run now that our division is more of a run first division (New England not withstanding).
by gatornation on Mar 6, 2009 8:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the basic reasoning of this piece
I agree with their approach
C/G: Hangartner was actually a great signing. Low key type guy that didn’t break the bank with experience at both C & Guard positions. The draft targets this year are primarilly center propects that also can play guard. I like this strategy because they will have a lot of options.
QB2: Fitzpatrick. Geez. I would have much preferred seeing a real backup come in and not only serve as an insurance policy but also have a chance to win a few games if he needs to go in but even more importantly be able to help Edwards develop by mentoring.. I was disappointed with Fitz. The only good news is that there won’t be any controversy.
WR: We are very happy with our guys “in traninng” Johnson/Hardy so why sign a guy like coles for 4 years? They are looking for a short term “stop gap” for 1-2 years. Or at least a contract that can be terminated after 2 years without huge cap repercussions.
LB: I like Cato June even though I find he is too small. I would like to think that Mitchell could be switched over to SAM with June playing the Weak side. Or Maybe swing Poz over to the SLB and bring in Peterson to man the Mike?
I am not yet convinced that they won’t pull the trigger on a stud LB if they fall to us in the draft.
RB: Unfortunately we are in a certain pickle because our start players doesn’t know who his real friends are. Again, I remain convinced that they will be looking for a “stop gap” type player to get us through the rough spot. Like many other rumblers I agreed that we needed a change of pace type back and unfortunately Jones & Foster are not really that. I do like Jones a lot.
Brian, where I disagree with you is on the TE statement at the end of your post
Yes, other positions (tight end, fullback, safety, reserve linebacker) might be addressed.
There is an absolute certainty that they will be drafting a TE in the first 3 rounds – absolutely no doubt in my mind.
But I agree that it looks like we are going to draft DE, C/G, TE, DT, LB
I definitely believe that we are going to see OBD draft a DE, G/C, TE,
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by keysh67 on Mar 6, 2009 8:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
TE
I don’t think every team needs a pass catching TE. How many teams actually have a viable one? If we pickup a serviceable veteren to be a WR#2, that pushes Reed to the slot. With Reed in the slot, that leaves one spot for TE. Yes you would want the most talented guy ever to be there, but Fine and Schouman will do just fine as a safety valve, Fine may also develop some mid-range chops.
I don’t think the need for a TE is so great that it’s worth a 3rd rounder, if that third rounder could be C / DE / DT.
TE is of little importance. Besides, if Fine works out, he can block and catch some so we don’t have to pull him off the field. Bringing in a “Pass catching” TE would be a mistake, he’d have to sub out for run plays, and that leads to predictability. All a “Pass Catching” TE is is a WR in a slightly bigger package. Like Courtney Anderson.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 6, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well we only have two viable TEs
So we need to at least pick up one. Plus we keep hearing they are going to a two TE set without the FB so we need need need someone else. We don’t need need need a new DT.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blasphemy
We don’t need need need a new DT.
We traded up to get Big John McBusto. Who is going to play DT when he sucks or gets hurt again?
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by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of like that nickname for McCargo.
But McCargo also works… as in he carries a lot of McDonald’s cargo in his stomach.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he makes the roster, I will add it to the list.
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by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have three viable DTs in Stroud, Williams, and Spencer.
We have two viable TEs in Fine and Schouman.
We have McCargo at 4th DT and Stupar at 3rd TE. We need to add one TE at the very least to this equation.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stroud is not getting any younger and seems injury prone
Williams is a great guy, but he is an overachiever who will never dominate at his position. Spencer who? Exactly! We need to think ahead.
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by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK...
so we need to get a guy in to compete with McCargo…. but we at least haver a back-up. We don’t even have a back-up TE right now.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Brown said some positive things about McCargo
CB: John McCargo has been working very hard this offseason, coming into the facility at One Bills Drive almost every day to rehab the disc problem in his back. I don’t think there’s any question that Kollar and McCargo was not a good mix as far as the coach/player relationship goes.
I think Bob Sanders is a better fit for McCargo, which is why I have hope that he can still turn into a solid contributor for this team. I don’t get the sense that Perry Fewell or Dick Jauron are as down on him as some might think.
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by Kurupt on Mar 6, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We need Geronimo's take on this....
Is Brown blowing smoke or is this true? I’m willing to believe that Kollar wasn’t a good fit for him. I dunno about Fewell or Jauron being up or down on him, though.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Brown is right, because he has little trade value right now.
The idea of drafting Pettigrew at #11 makes my hemorrhoids flare up!!!!
by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He have Derek Fine, Derek Schouman, Jonathan Stupar, and whoever we draft.
The idea of drafting Pettigrew at #11 makes my hemorrhoids flare up!!!!
by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have....not He have
The idea of drafting Pettigrew at #11 makes my hemorrhoids flare up!!!!
by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry....
viable back-up TE. Schonert keeps saying he’s gonna run two TE sets. Matt Stupar was on the P.S. last year. I’m not ready to give him a roster spot yet.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't counting a fullback
If you go two TE with one RB, that only leaves room for two WR’s. That makes Josh Reed our WR #2. I don’t know if that is really what the Bills are looking for. That would work on running plays, but would give us more of the same in the passing game. When the Colts were running two TE, they had Harrison and Wayne as their WR’s.
If we want Reed in the slot, where most of us feel he would thrive, we need a three WR set. If what you said is true, I can see why the Bills are undecided about bringing in a WR2. In the two TE, it would be either new guy or Reed on the bench. Thank heavens they didn’t get Coles, if he was superfluous because of their philosophy.
We can’t have it all. I do think if we got Pettigrew, (at 11? ouch) we could get the most of a 1 TE set, and have three WR’s, and Marshawn on the field.
I prefer Trent to be under center, but do y’all think we’ll be almost exclusively shotgun next year? Just curious.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 6, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
depends
do y’all think we’ll be almost exclusively shotgun next year?
if Turk realizes you can run out of that formation!
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by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We ran out of that formation a lot last year...
It was the same shotgun snap handoff play around the left side each time but we ran out of the shotgun guys. You can get on him for things he actually does. We ran out of the shotgun last year.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly can remember us running that play.
I don’t doubt your right, but give me a ball park number. Once a game? Twice?
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by Joe P. on Mar 6, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't remember how many times per game.
But especially as the year wore on it was a shotgun snap to Trent and a quick handoff to Jackson usually. It was moderately successful. I would say 7 or 8 times over the course of the year.
Anybody wanna help out?
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN Splits for Lynch and Jackson
Show 0 Attempts for 0 yards out of the Shotgun formation.
by syrbillsfan on Mar 6, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love stats and stuff...
but that has to be wrong… We ran out of shotgun with Jackson and Lynch flanking Edwards. I know it happened.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I just kind of lumped TE in there, and I probably shouldn’t have. I do think TE is a certain draft target, and it might even end up being their first-round target. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 6, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
And especially given the comments that Jauron/Schonert made at the combine. They definitely will be targetting a TE in the draft.
Actually my first version of this comment had something like Pettigrew is both lineman & TE so in fact he is like a 2for1 !
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by keysh67 on Mar 6, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I said this in the other post, too. I really like your strategy and think along the same lines. I believe they will sign a LB before the weekend is over. After that I don’t think they will go after anybody that’s not a new starting guard. No WR.
In the draft we can get quality players at DE, Interior O Line, and TE in the first three rounds. That TE likely won’t start with Fine getting the nod. That TE will be the pass-catching third down TE or the second in the 2 TE set. We can get difference makers and role players and feel really good going into next year. The people who follow the big-name free agent signings are disappointed we didn’t get Coles and signed “nobodys” but in reality this has been exactly what we needed.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 8:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree in principle with the article
but when it comes down to it, that offense does nothing to scare anyone. I sincerely hope that adding OLmen will change that, but I have a sneaky suspicion it comes down to the pass-catchers. There’s so much work to be done before they can even get to work.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 6, 2009 9:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If we transition to a power-running team...
does it really come down to our pass-catchers? I don’t. I don’t think our WRs need to scare teams, they just need to be productive and Evans and Reed are that. They could be better with another weapon, sure. But adding a new TE and running the ball more can dramatically increase the offense’s productivity, granted the O Line gives the backs holes and Trent time. THat’s why we should focus there instead of on third-tier WRs.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m against 3rd-tier WRs. I have lofty expecations about the position. :)
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 6, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well you still have to be able to make plays in the passing game. We don’t have a single playmaker among our receivers right now. That is certainly a problem, even if we run it more….
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by Kurupt on Mar 6, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Evans and Reed can make catches, move the chains, and score TDs.
It’s not like our guys are like Hot Hands from Little GIants out there. I was just saying our current WRs can get the job done. They aren’t awseome but they are capable.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
solid Little Giants reference
but you do have to admit we need more weaponry at Trent’s disposal
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by Kurupt on Mar 6, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope we do add more weapons.
I was disagreeing that our WRs and TEs “need to scare” the other team. I think if teams gameplan for Lynch and Jackson, like they should, then our WRs and TEs will be serviceable enough to get the job done without scaring defenses.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
assessment of the current situation. However, I kind of fell while OBD has a plan that they are a little “gunshy” with all the free agent visits they’ve had. You trust your pro-personnel people to have accurate reports on players and when FA starts you target specific players because you’ve watched the tape. I hope in the next few days we get some of these guys signed so the entire staff can spend the rest of their time focusing on the draft where their real money is made. We desperately need to hit on our draft picks this year especially if we are taking 2-3 front 7 defensive players.
If Buffalo will target DL at #11, TE in round #2, followed by DL or S in round 3, I will be happy. I know trading out of #11 is not likely but if the opportunity arises, I hope OBD can take advantage of it, because adding a 3rd round pick to find an interior offensive Lineman, a S, or another DL will help increase our odds of hitting on some of these guys. The more the better I say
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by MARVelous on Mar 6, 2009 9:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense
I mean we only have 6 viable O-Linemen currently under contract right? Peters, Walker, Chambers, Hangartner, Butler and Bell? Most teams carry eight I believe, and I suspect the other two would be interior linemen (as Chambers and Bell would back up at tackle). So it seems to me that, provided this is it in free agency as far as interior lineman, we would have to draft a versatile C/G prospect early, and then another G prospect later. I’d put good money that we’ll end up with one of the following: Mack, Luigs, Wood, Unger, or Caldwell.
by PozDispenser on Mar 6, 2009 10:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
There's 9 on the roster right now.
by twoeightnine on Mar 6, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, and three of them are garbage. Our depth is awful at the moment.
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by Brian Galliford on Mar 6, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we even count Bell as "viable depth"?
We’ve seen nothign to show that. I know that certain people like him but I don’t know what we can base that on.
Right now I think we only have 5 viable linemen. Peters (if he shows up), Chambers, Hangartner, Butler (if he stays healthy), Walker. If we assume Bell can provide depth we still need an interior guy who can start when Butler inevitably gets hurt or Chambers can’t hack it at guard.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
did Bell even get any playing time last year?
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by J2 on Mar 6, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope.
And honestly I hope he doesn’t see much playing time this year either. He’s only been playing football for 4 years, if we’re forced to lean on him at all we’re extra screwed.
by twoeightnine on Mar 6, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
He’ll have two NFL offseasons under his belt and I’m sure has been working hard on his strength and technique. Ya never know, he could be a contributor if need be. We really have no clue where his progress stands right now….
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by Kurupt on Mar 6, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also – i replied to you in the other post – but wanted to make sure you knew i wasn’t dissin you at all. basically – you think differently than I..and as a result – you get me to think differently and the we roll from there. that was actually the biggest compliment that I had out there – just if you knew me ;)
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by J2 on Mar 6, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine I didn't take it personally.
We can disagree that’s fine.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I counted him as viable based on potential rather than production. We obviously don’t know what we have with him, but the coaching staff seems to be high on him. I don’t expect him to be used in anything other than an emergency capacity, but I suspect he will make the roster.
As far as game day, I’m thinking it’ll be Peters, Chambers, Hangartner, Butler, Walker starting. Chambers the first to replace a tackle should the need arise. Early C/G prospect as the primary interior backup, later G as secondary.
by PozDispenser on Mar 6, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that I am glad to see them look like they will address the Lines
Also it looks like my Mock draft that I put on here that got some criticism makes perfect sense now:) Yeah I know somebody who knows somebody who’s Aunty dated this barber who cut this certain somebodys hair—Just jokin!
by Fam_1st on Mar 6, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And as always Brian—You’re doin the best job of anywhere else on the net for great Bills coverage!!
by Fam_1st on Mar 6, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
2009 Draft
The problem with the supposed “Big 3” DEs (Orakpo, Brown, & Maybin) is that I don’t like any of them as a can’t miss prospect. In addition, the drop-off in talent from the Big 3 to Round 2 is not much. There are decent DEs that will be there in Round 2.
First of all if Raji is there at #11 you take him in a second.
If not, I do not like the talent that looks to be available at #11 for filling a Bills’ need.
I believe our best bet is to trade down with someone looking to move up to take a QB or one of the OTs and pick up an extra 2nd Round pick.
Then you take Alex Mack or Duke Robinson with your 1st Round pick.
In Round 2 where you now have 2 picks you get a DE and a TE in whatever order of value is on your big board. Get a LB in Round 3 – I like Zach Follet.
UNLESS, one of the USC LBs or Simtin drop, then you grab him with your 1st pick in Round 2. You use your 2nd Round 2 pick for DE and get your TE in the 3rd. My pick for a sleeper TE in the 3rd is Beckum from Wisconsin.
Rounds 4 and higher you take BPA for depth and development.
by bobb498 on Mar 6, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is any prospect a "can't miss prospect", though?
I really like Beckum as I have said before.
I would prefer the DE in round 1, C/G in round 2 (where I also don’t think there’s such a huge drop-off), and Beckum in the third.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like we are pretty much in agreement. I agree that improving our pass rush should be our top priority with inside O-Line a close 2nd.
I just feel that the top of the OC/G class is a much better value that the top of the DE class so I guess that is where we differ. Interior O-Lineman though generally are not taken as high as 11. If the Bills do have one of the DEs rated that high, I don’t have a problem with DE at #11, I just feel our best interest is the trade down scenario I outlined.
Another real possibility might be trading down as I laid out before and then taking Tyson Jackson in Round 1, and then G/C and TE in Round 2. I think I might like Jackson more than any of the big 3.
by bobb498 on Mar 6, 2009 4:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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