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Is OBD cheap?

Wow,  Is it just me or is there alot more members than last offseason?  I started blogging here during the "Panda" episode last offseason (When the Bills were trying to sign Bryant Johnson). 

I get the feeling alot of fans here think the Bills are "CHEAP".  I think they try to spend wisely in FA and build in the Draft.  I do not doubt any Buffalo Rumblers Passion for the Bills.

But, How many rumblers here are Season ticket holders to Ralph Wilson Stadium? I live 350miles east towards NYC and I am a season ticket holder.  I understand season tix cost money and everyone cannot afford them.  But my point is this, Do you actively spend money to support the Bills Franchise or do you just complain that Ralph is a cheapskate?  I pay money to the Bills, and I truly feel they do not just take my money and run.  I would love to hear everyones opinion to my poll and opinions.

 

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Are you a Buffalo Bills Season ticket holder ?
Yes
23 votes
No
17 votes
No, but I attend 2 or more games per year
14 votes
No, but I attend 2 games or less per year
22 votes
I have never attended a game
9 votes

85 votes | Poll has closed

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Totally Cheap and looking for garage sale bargains...

I posted this on the other thread… however it fits perfect here…

The Bills have all the cap room in the world to sign any of these guys including Coles and Taylor, plus do deals with Jason Peters, however they choose not too for whatever reasons. This only leads me (and many other fans) to believe they are being cheap. What were they at the start of last season $20 million under the cap? To me, we can count on that same level of spending or less this year.

We’ve probably had more players visiting OBD than any other team so far this year. What for? My guess is that they are bargain shopping and kicking the tires of these players to see if they will in fact give Buffalo a "discount" to sign with them. Taylor and Coles didn’t budge, Greer didn’t give either. Our only hope is that no other team steps up and draws interest in these players so that they have no other choice but sign with us for a discount.

At least Ralph and the inner circle can say that they "tried" to sign players or bring in talent when we are faced with answering questions why our team can’t score or stop the scoring next year.

Who ever believed that the Bills were going to make a "splash" this year with FA because of what transpired last year and how much the fanbase was disgruntled, is sorely being taken advantage of. The draft is another story you say and we’ll make a splash there… well so does every other team! Everybody gets better because of the draft.

Our only chance to make a "splash" is through FA or trades. So far, all we have been doing is spinning our wheels, kicking tires, and bargain shopping so Ralph can keep $20 – $25 million more in his pocket compared to those other teams that actually "spend to the cap".

by dabillsr1 on Mar 6, 2009 9:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It is ill advised to just say they are cheap

Look at all the teams in the league and ask yourselves which ones made a “splash” and then follow that up with which types of splashes you would have wished the Bills had made?
Now, most teams didn’t make a “splash” and for the Bills, outside of Coles there wasn’t anyone they brought in that would have been an impact player they couldn’t get elsewhere.While i don’t like the current coaching staff and FO, I don’t think they are cheap in a bad way. Donahoe was a big splasher, and what did that give us. Oh yeah, nothin!

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on Mar 6, 2009 9:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dolphins, Falcons, Jets made some splashes last year...

I think it worked out for them. Why is it that we don’t spend no where close to the cap?

by dabillsr1 on Mar 6, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Because Miami, Atlanta and New York are significantly larger cash cow markets than Buffalo.

It’s economics, folks. If you think we’re “cheap” now, wait until next year is uncapped. There won’t be a free agency period for us next year.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 6, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HAHA

use the Jets…. they were sitting at home during the playoffs too.

The Falcons signed Michael Turner. Is anyone else out there as good as Turner right now?

The Dolphins signed Ernest Wilford in free agency. How did he do last year. Then they signed Chad Pennington right before the season. That was a judicious signing that didn’t break the bank. I don’t know what you want the Bills to do other than fabricate free agents.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 6, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

None of these team are good examples

And it has nothing to do with economics.
As MRW says below, ATL Michael Turner, JETS Favre and FINS Pennington. The Jets weren’t that good, but the reasons they were good, were because of players already on the roster, and bolstered mainly by players they drafted. Atlanta was abismal the year before, and needed big time upgrades quickly. Michael Turner was the best free agent running back, and the year before, if Turner wasn;‘t kept by the Chargers, the Bills would have made a play for him and not drafted Marshawn. And the Dolphins and Falcons both benefited from new coaching regimes and front office philosophies.
Anyway, if you want to look at the Bills for the lenght of their history, this has been the mojorty of what the team has been like. Mostly a crappy team, with a few stars, that keep it in mediorcrity, Only with polian at the helm did we get some significant action and once John Butler left, we hadn’t had a good GM since. Of course, Donahoe looked good at first, but they couldn’t draft well enough to go along with the FA spendng and of course the coaches blew. i even thought Bledsoe was a good idea, but they should have planned for the future better.
On a side note, its funny how alot of comemntators talk about OTs being a sure thing in the draft and all I can think of is Mike Williams. What a terrible calamity that was

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on Mar 6, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dabillsr1

What do you want OBD to do?

Sign medicore players to make a “splash”
I live near NYC and the Jets didn’t come out on top of their FA spending frenzy from last year. Yes other markets have more money than Buffalo. I was born and raised buffalo for 26 yrs. I am 29 and live near NYC. Trust me, the Jets have Millions more to spend than the Bills could dream of…………

Now the Jets are back to square 1. You need a QB to win in this league. At least we can hope T. Edwards becomes serviceable to build around. I hate to say this, but T. Edwards reminds me alot of T.Brady in his first 2yrs in the league, minus the injuries.

Brady couldnt even hit a deep route consistantly his first few yrs (Losman can though). Give trent time…..and let OBD draft the team of the future. FA spending should only fill in medicore talent. This FA class stinks compared to most. Dont overspend for bad talent.

How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?

by Rudy916 on Mar 6, 2009 10:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't agree more.

A lot of people are calling Ralph cheap because he isn’t throwing money around. IMO after losing out on Coles there is no F.A. worth throwing money at this year. If we signed these F.A.‘s they would inevitably end up not panning out and then people here would complain that we over payed for mediocre talent. It seems to me that a lot of people here want it both ways. IMO the only moves that we should make before the draft are to sign Mike Peterson (I also wanted Sean Jones but it’s too late for that) and attempt to trade for Tony Scheffler and/or Brian Waters. If OBD can do those things before the draft I would consider that to be a successful offseason. Free agency is not the answer for this team or any teams. People like Al Davis and Dan Snyder do things like that and look where it has gotten them. I think we should try to be more like Dan Rooney and the Pittsburgh Steelers, arguably the most successful franchise in the history of the NFL. I know that many of you don’t want to hear this but if the Bills are to be successful they need to be conservative and prudent in free agency and build successfully through the draft. Having successful draft classes is a whole other issue altogether for a different forum.

I'll donate $1 to help Mary Wilson pay the estate tax...who's with me?!?

by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on Mar 7, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the blog OJIMB!

I like the way you lay out your argument.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome Matt, that is your new nickname. Lame, but appropriate.

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Mar 7, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very appropriate

Welcome Matt. It fits perfectly.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 7, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I get it....

cause I keep welcoming new guys. I get it.

Playing Eternal Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

THANKS!

I have been a loyal reader for over a year but for whatever reason have never joined and posted. I have always appreciated the dialogue that takes place here…I just wish Russ and Company would listen to us! I wanted to start posting yesterday but I had to wait 24 hours to be “verified” or something. Since I was recently laid-off I am looking forward to being an active part of the Buffalo Rumblings community.

I'll donate $1 to help Mary Wilson pay the estate tax...who's with me?!?

by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on Mar 7, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes winning solves everything............

How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?

by Rudy916 on Mar 6, 2009 10:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Buffalo's offseason isn't predicated on being 'cheap'

It was just a couple of years ago that Buffalo stunned the NFL by handing out enormous contracts to Dock and Walker. If memory serves, the total on those two deals was about $75 million. You can make the case that Buffalo could have done more in free agency or made a (better) play for this player or that. You can’t, however, make the case that Wilson is unwilling to spend money.

OBD isn’t going to sign guys to expensive contracts just to do it. Coles? Come on! There are better ways to spend 5% of the 2009 cap space than a possession receiver. Coles will put up some nice yards in Cincy….and the Bengals will still suck. When it comes to getting bang for the buck there wasn’t much to be had this offseason. Buffalo responded accordingly.

by Ron From NM on Mar 6, 2009 10:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ron

I love the numbers…………

They speak volumes

Spending when necessary is fine in my book…………….spending to spend is just stupid

How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?

by Rudy916 on Mar 6, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not a far question

i live 1500 miles away and there no way i could get season tickets

also i have been to every game they have played in jax since i moved here

Bills make me wanna SHOUT!

by silverstreak3k on Mar 6, 2009 11:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Buying jerseys and other Bills merchandise also supports the Bills.

And I’m glad some Bills fans are warm.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh well

in that case, i should practically own stock in them by now….

Bills make me wanna SHOUT!

by silverstreak3k on Mar 7, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget

The $10 beer or the $5 hot dogs. $25 for parking, They make money too. Don’t believe that they are that bad off financially

THIS PIC LOOKS LIKE 5-1 TO 7-9!!!!!!!!!!!!

by JTM1023 on Mar 7, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know they make money.

They also spend money. How much do you think they make on gameday selling food and beverage? It’s not even enough to pay one guy’s salary for the year.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 8, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said.

To add to that, I have spent plenty of money on the Bills outside of the price of a ticket. But, until the Bills actually prove they deserve to have me spend my hard earned money on them, I will not continue to support them by buying a new Bills jersey, hat, coat, blanket, pennant, etc.

The idea of drafting Pettigrew at #11 makes my hemorrhoids flare up!!!!

by Joe P. on Mar 7, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So like George Bush punished underperformers so will you.

The No Child Left Behind Act takes funding away from underperforming schools as punishment for underperforming. SO how do you expect those schools (and by extension kids’ test scores) to get better without the money?

I’m not saying that you, Joe P., can buy enough merchandise to turn the tide. I am saying that if you and millions of your closest friends buy some Bills merchandise, etc. then the Bills will have more money to spend on players. If we hold onto that money the economy is gonna keep sucking and the Bills players won’t get any better.

Playing Eternal Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am saying that if you and millions of your closest friends

I didn’t realize that Joe was so popular.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Mar 7, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice try Matt :-)

As you know, throwing money at the problem will not solve it either. The real problem with kids and the Bills are the same, the owner has screwed up the organization.

As far as the Bills go, I look at them more like a company I invest with. I know giving money with no accountability is popular these days, but I am not giving the Bills any more money until they prove they can use it wisely.

The idea of drafting Pettigrew at #11 makes my hemorrhoids flare up!!!!

by Joe P. on Mar 7, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ohhh nice analogy...

much more apt than the one I used.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Bills are nowhere near cheap and anyone who complains about Buffalo not “spending” enough money is simply uninformed.

How many teams are in the bottom few in the league in population of their home city, average income of their fans, ticket prices, big businesses that support the team etc…. I’m going to go over those numbers just to show everybody how much of an econonic disadvantage the Bills are really at:

Buffalo is the 46th largest city in the US when you add in suburbs and the smallest market of any NFL team. Our 2007 population was about 1.1 mil according to the US Census Bureau. Places like NY, Houston, Dallas, Miami, Chicago and Philly have 5 times as many potential ticket purchasers. Indy, Milwaukee (Green Bay) and Jacksonville are the only other NFL teams with populations under 2 mil. So even “small market” teams like Pittsburgh and Cincy have about twice as many people living in and around the city as Buffalo does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas

The greater Buffalo area has an average income of $38,352. That isn’t even just the city, that is every man woman and child living in Erie, Niagara and Cattaraugus County. Washington DC’s average income is $72,800. And when nobody lives in your city and when nobody in your city makes money it’s pretty tough to have high ticket prices. The Bills had an average ticket price of 51 dollars. It’s well known that its the lowest total in the league, but I bet people don’t know that there are only 3 other NFL teams whose totals are below 60 bucks. The NFL average is over 72 dollars and the teams that consistently make big FA splashes like Dallas, Washington, NE and the Jets all charge 80 or more for your average ticket. The evil Patriots charge almost 118 dollars per ticket.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/123936

So Buffalo is at a disadvantage right off the bat. But I also think it’s completely untrue that Buffalo doesn’t spend on players. Buffalo paid their players 113.4 mil last year in salary and bonuses. That is the 16th most in the league so that means that Buffalo spent more than 16 other teams. Buffalo also started this offseason with a lot of 2009 salary that they had to pay. Before they even resigned any of their own FAs, Buffalo had about 85 mil on the books for the upcoming season. That is more than Kansas City paid their entire team last year. If Buffalo did nothing but resign their own players, give Peters an extension that includes a sizeable signing bonus and keep the 11th pick in the draft, Buffalo probably would have matched last year’s 113 mil in spending and depending on the Peters contract could have exceeded that by a large margain. If Peters gets a contract similiar to Jordan Gross and signs a few more FAs, we might actually be watching one of the 10 highest paid teams in the league next year.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-11-05-salaries_N.htm

The salary cap is a terrible way to determine how much teams are actually spending on their rosters. When players get signing bonuses the salary cap spreads them out over the length of the deal. Buffalo tends to not give big signing bonuses and instead puts the guaranteed money into other bonuses that are in the first couple years of the contract. This will always make the Bills look like they have more future cap space then they really do. The salary cap has become largely irrelevant. Calling Wilson or the Bills cheap because they currently have more salary cap space than other teams is about as uninformed of an opinion as anyone can have about the economy of the NFL.

by kaisertown on Mar 7, 2009 12:16 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

Excellent info Kaiser. I have long been sick of hearing “how cheap” the Bills are when it comes to paying their players. Now coaching on the other hand…..

There is only one NFL football team that plays in New York state...and Canada?

by MonStarr_716 on Mar 7, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kaiser - make this a seperate fanpost.

It would make me happy. Maybe I could throw it up on the homepage.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A few problems with your numbers

Did you include the fan base in Rochester and Canada in your population numbers? We are a regionalized team now, right? Did you take into account the size of the stadium? Doesn’t the Ralf have one of the largest number of seats and best attendance in the NFL?

I am not saying the Bills are not at a disadvantage or that Ralf is cheap, just that your numbers are not accurate.

The idea of drafting Pettigrew at #11 makes my hemorrhoids flare up!!!!

by Joe P. on Mar 7, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We have the highest attendance because we have the lowest ticket prices...

just like the Sabres. When Golisano bought the team he slashed ticket prices and viola all the games sold out.

Playing Eternal Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Another plus

That urination in the sinks thing is famous around the nation too!!!!!!!! Where else can you go to witness that?

THIS PIC LOOKS LIKE 5-1 TO 7-9!!!!!!!!!!!!

by JTM1023 on Mar 7, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t include Rochester or Canada only because that makes things way more complicated. Obviously Buffalo has a large portion of their fanbase and ticket buyers coming from other areas though. I’ve read that it’s considerably less than 10% of Buffalo’s ticket sales are coming from Southern Canada and I think Rochester’s support is a tad overblow. Does 20% of ticket purcahases sound about right? Buffalo definitely gets more support from surrounding areas than your average team does, but where it gets comlpicated is that almost every other team has a large portion of their fanbase outside of their city too.

Green Bay is tiny (only 300,000), but they get support from Milwaukee (1.55 mil), Madison (550K) and the OshKosh and Appleton area (400K combined) and you end up with a region that is still bigger or about the same size as Buffalo+ suburbs, Rochester+ suburbs and Southern Ontario.

Jacksonville (1.3 mil) has the Daytona Beach area (500K) and Gainesville/Ocala (500K)

Cleveland (2.1 mil) has Akron (700K) and probably splits Youngstown (almost 600K) with Pittsburgh

Cincinatti (2.1 mil) has Dayton (over 800K)

Pittsburgh doesn’t have a major population area within a short drive, but I would estimate there are another 500K or so if you combine all the smaller communities like Butler, Washington and Greensburg. Altoona and Youngstown probably give them more financial support than Buffalo gets from the farther away cities like Toronto and Syracuse.

Indianapolis doesn’t have much to work with. It wasn’t fair for me to say that Buffalo is the smallest market with Indy around. Anderson has over 100K, Bloomington almost 200K and Lafayette isn’t too far away either at about 200K.

And Buffalo’s bigger stadium is certainly a factor. I couldn’t find an accurate website, but this one has a list that is pretty close:

http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/capacity.htm

Buffalo’s listing is an old one though. Since their last remodeling, they are down closer to 73,000 seats. Feel free to do the math to see about how much teams get in ticket revenue per game. Buffalo’s is about 3.5-4 mil. The Jets and Giants make over 6 mil a game and some teams like Oakland make as little as Buffalo does. And other revenue like parking, beer and food will obviously be higher with more seats, but Buffalo also charges less than pretty much every other team in league with that stuff too.

by kaisertown on Mar 8, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent info: I live in Illinois and would love to see a game at Ralph Wilson Stadium. I’ve seen them play by traveling to Chicago,St. Louis, and Kansas City. I am glad they do not waste money on some of these free agents but what scares me is our that we have so many holes in our team going into the draft.

by copperbillzfn on Mar 7, 2009 1:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

It’s not that the Bills are cheap, it’s that they don’t evaluate talent all that well. If our drafts were better, our team would be better and we’d be able to bring in players that see this team as a winner.

The biggest problem isn’t spending money, it’s spending it correctly.

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Mar 7, 2009 1:59 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Right. You can say that about every team.

The teams with the better decisions in personnel win more games. Sometimes (a lot of times) it’s luck like Tom Brady of James Harrison. We need to put together a string of good drafts with one or no busts. Let’s hope that 2007 and 2008 can start that for us (because if I go back to 2006 I hit Whitner/Ngata and McCargo).

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 7, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

K is the hammer that hits the nail on the head!!! rec'd

The idea of drafting Pettigrew at #11 makes my hemorrhoids flare up!!!!

by Joe P. on Mar 7, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“The biggest problem isn’t spending money, it’s spending it correctly.”
We have a winner!
That’s exactly it. I wasn’t pleased when they just signed Fitzpatrick, but sometimes a conservative approach isn’t bad. Although N.E. has made some big time free agent splashes sometimes they play it very conservative and get players nobody else wants and gets value for them. So in my opinion it is never the big names, it is never the money, it is how much value you get out of each player on Sunday, it’s about filling in holes and weaknesses on your football team.

by pasaluki on Mar 7, 2009 3:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I intentionally spend no money on the Bills because it’s the only tangible way I, as a fan, can make my displeasure felt at OBD. If enough people who really had problems with the organization wanted to make a statement, they’d do the same. But most never willl.

by thefourwinds on Mar 7, 2009 5:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I understand...

Your frustration and your argument but if all of us Bills fans stopped spending money on the team how would that help? It would only further exacerbate the problem. Everyone who calls them “cheap” now would long for these days. Giving the team less of our money would mean they had less to spend thus perpetuating the cycle. I know this will not be a popular opinion but the way to express your dissatisfaction with the team is the same way to express your dissatisfaction with your government. Right a letter, make a phone call or stage a peaceful demonstration. I would love to see a gathering of fans outside the offices at OBD a la the civil rights movement. It would be impossible for Ralph and Russ to ignore and might even garner national media attention. If I didn’t live 800 miles from Orchard Park I would be right there with everyone. If you are unhappy with the government you can’t just stop paying taxes and hope they will get the message and make things better.

I'll donate $1 to help Mary Wilson pay the estate tax...who's with me?!?

by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on Mar 7, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry man,

but the Bills are a business. If the Bills worked like the government, Ralf and Jauron would have been voted out long ago!!!! Money talks and BS walks. You want to send a message Ralf will hear? Stop buying tickets, hats, etc.

The idea of drafting Pettigrew at #11 makes my hemorrhoids flare up!!!!

by Joe P. on Mar 7, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Allow Me To Clarify:

I am not trying to compare the Bills organization to a democracy. The analogy I am trying to get across concerns the way in which the fans/public make their opinions known. I appreciate that the Bills are a business dictated in part by various economic factors. Revenue from tickets, concessions, merchandise etc. are one of these factors. Decreasing the the income the team receives from these sources only serves to further weaken the team and their ability to compete economically with other franchises who outsell them in these areas. If the team loses a lot of money because all of us stop spending on them, the B.S. will certainly be walking and the team will be following right behind them to a large market where the spending will be spread around to a larger population. I’m not saying this will solve all of our problems but a public display/protest would get the attention of people around the league and around the country. Bills fans would gain even more admiration and notoriety for their passion and support of their team. If anything, we should be spending MORE money on items the team profits from. It is one of the only ways in which it’s possible for the Bills to make up ground on a richer team. If every Bills fan spent $5-$50 more than every Cowboys fan on memorabilia and merchandise the Bills balance sheet would get that much closer to Jerry Jones’.

I'll donate $1 to help Mary Wilson pay the estate tax...who's with me?!?

by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on Mar 7, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We have spent plenty of money

on the Bills over the past 50 years. Countless sell out seasons of over 80,000 screaming die hard fans….the best the NFL has ever seen. It has not moved Ralf to insure that the Bills will not be sold to the highest out of town bidder when he passes into the great beyond. I will not be held hostage to the threat that we may lose the Bills. At this point, it is just as likely to happen whether the Bills make money or not.

I believe Ralf wants to win but he also wants to make money. The only way to get his attention is to vote with our pocket books. It is the Law of Supply and Demand. I demand that he supply me with a better product before I am going to spend my money on it. It is that simple!!!!!

The idea of drafting Pettigrew at #11 makes my hemorrhoids flare up!!!!

by Joe P. on Mar 7, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Catch-22

As someone who has personally and profoundly been affected by this current recession I certainly empathize with your argument. Unfortunately I think this is the type is situation that is doomed to be dominated by circular logic. We don’t want to spend money on the team unless they can win and be competitive but they can’t win and be competitive unless they can make money. Alas.

I'll donate $1 to help Mary Wilson pay the estate tax...who's with me?!?

by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on Mar 7, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I'll just direct you to...

a post that Geronimo put up a few days ago. Might shed some light on the Bill’s financial situation.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/3/4/780838/coles-goes-to-cincinnati#12758996

This is not a rich team folks, they can’t spend like the Redskins or the Cowboys do and they have NO ROOM FOR ERROR when they sign free agents. So while you call them cheap, i’ll call them constructively cautious.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 7, 2009 7:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dockery was a whole lotta room for error

7 Mill a year for what?

THIS PIC LOOKS LIKE 5-1 TO 7-9!!!!!!!!!!!!

by JTM1023 on Mar 7, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lets not rate support based on ticket sales

I am one of many fans who hasn’t attended a Bills game in over 25 years, but don’t snub us. The revenue stream from ticket sales makes about ($50 × 80,000 × 8 games) = $32 million, plus maybe another $32 million in food/fan goodies. The NFL TV contract however, provides about 2/3rds of a teams revenue (the current contract is $3.75 Billion/year). So us TV watchers are supporting too!
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/30/biz_07nfl_Buffalo-Bills_301765.html

http://football.calsci.com/SalaryCap.html

by south123 on Mar 7, 2009 8:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

South your point is well received

But my intention is for people who show support to the bills actually pay it to the team in some way (season tix, merchandise). Growing up I could never afford to attend a game. Now I do my part to keep the team in WNY by being a season ticket holder. As a holder the bills actually do some nice things. For example, This is my fifth year and the team sent me a certificate for my support (although not high quality, but it is the point that matters to me).
I get frustrated when some fans say the Bills don’t spend the money, then that fan doesn’t even own a jersey to help support the team.

How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?

by Rudy916 on Mar 7, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is OBD Cheap?

WE JUST SIGNED TERRELL FREAKING OWENS! If OBD is cheap then they’re doing a great job of hidding it.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 8, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This was written almost a full 24 hours prior to Owens’ signing…

Buffalo Rumblings - all you care to know about the Buffalo Bills and more

by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Owens got 6.5 M, hardly a blockbuster deal money wise.

The idea of drafting Pettigrew at #11 makes my hemorrhoids flare up!!!!

by Joe P. on Mar 8, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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