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State of the Bills Roster: Wide Receivers, post-T.O.


Owens changes entire offensive outlook (TV Guide)

Still trying to erase the shock from your brain now that Terrell Owens is a Buffalo Bill?  Don't worry.  We're right there with you.

Back in the very early portions of January, we took a look at the Bills' receiver position in our State of the Roster series.  Needless to say, when you add someone with the on-field impact of a Terrell Owens to the mix, the entire dynamic of the group changes.  So now that Owens is in the fold, it's time to re-assess.  Because let's face it - there isn't anything more interesting to talk about at the moment.

The results have the potential to be staggering.  A deep but underwhelming position now has the potential to be the strength of the entire football team.

Opening Statement
We mentioned back in January that this position will go as Trent Edwards goes.  Terrell Owens doesn't change that, though he certainly makes things easier for every facet of Buffalo's offense, most particularly for Edwards.  The position always had depth; now the depth here is enviable, to the point where the team may see fit to move a player.

#83 Lee Evans (starter)
   5'10", 197 pounds
   Age: 28 in March 2009
   Contract status: 4 years remaining (UFA in 2013); owed $20.4 million base salaries and $5 million in roster bonuses over the final 3 years of the deal
- Evans still fancies himself the Bills' top receiver.  No receiver benefits more from the presence of Owens than Evans, who won't have to deal with persistent double coverage for sixteen games this year.  One of the league's elite deep threats, Evans will be free to do what he's best at provided Owens continues his dominant play - make big plays.  He'll have a shot to make a lot of them.

Terrell Owens (starter)
   6'3", 224 pounds
   Age: 36 in December 2009
   Contract status: 1 year remaining (UFA in 2010); owed $6.5 million guaranteed
- There isn't a lot to say that isn't already widely known.  He's one of the top two or three touchdown-producing receivers in NFL history, with 139 career scoring receptions to his name.  Even if he is dealing with diminishing skills, Owens brings two things to the receiving corps that we haven't seen in a long time: physicality and nearly unparalleled prowess in the red zone.  He's a ten-touchdown-per-year player.  If that continues in Buffalo, our offense is infinitely better.  Case closed.

#82 Josh Reed
   5'10", 210 pounds
   Age: 29 in May 2009
   Contract status: 1 year remaining (UFA in 2010); owed $2.025 million in base salaries
- After years of playing out of position as the Bills' second receiver, Reed will return to the area where he does the most damage - the slot.  He's already proven himself to be a reliable chain-moving target, and he's been a go-to guy for Edwards.  Now he'll be free to do even more damage underneath.  He'll never be an All Pro, but when you're surrounded with two outstanding outside targets, Reed is the type of player that will aggravate defenses to no end in the short areas of the field.

#11 Roscoe Parrish
   5'9", 171 pounds
   Age: 27 in July 2009
   Contract status: 3 years remaining (UFA in 2012); owed $3.05 million in base salaries, $1.5 million in signing bonuses and $1.5 million in roster bonuses
- No one denies that Parrish can be electrifying with the ball in his hands.  What can be questioned, however, is whether or not Parrish - a gadget player and elite punt returner and little more - is too luxury for a team like the Bills.  Considering the amount of money he's due to be paid and the amount of playing time that's no longer open to him, don't be shocked if the team looks to trade him.  As many of you have astutely pointed out, keep an eye on Kansas City as a possible landing spot.

#81 James Hardy
   6'6", 220 pounds
   Age: 24 in December 2009
   Contract status: Entering second year of undisclosed, multi-year contract.
- Indirectly, no one is going to benefit more from Owens' presence than James Hardy.  Already blessed with rare size for a receiver, Hardy will get to spend at least a year watching Owens.  T.O. doesn't need to teach him a thing; in fact, it's probably a little dangerous to ask him to do so.  But no one has ever questioned Owens' work ethic or his practice habits.  He does everything by the book and more on the field and in the practice setting.  It will benefit the developing Hardy immensely to be around a player with Owens' work habits.

#13 Steve Johnson
   6'2", 210 pounds
   Age: 23 in July 2009
   Contract status: Entering second year of undisclosed, multi-year contract.
- See: Hardy, James.  Subtract the lingering knee injury and add the fact that he's already a fan favorite.  The kid's got upside, but if a guy like Parrish isn't moved, he may not get many opportunities to see the field in 2009.

#17 Justin Jenkins
   6'0", 207 pounds
   Age: 29 in December 2009
   Contract status: Entering first year of undisclosed, multi-year contract.
- He's here because of his value as a special teams player.  Even if something happens on the trade front with Parrish, Jenkins isn't seeing the field as a receiver barring catastrophic injuries.

There's a LOT to like about this group.  There's a good blend of physical and finesse; of size and speed; of veteran and youth.  If Owens keeps his nose clean - and obviously, that's the biggest "if" in the history of professional sports - this group has the potential to be flat-out dominant.  They should be able to strike at any level of the field, and the potential for explosive, game-changing plays is through the roof.  But it's not a guarantee.  Nothing is a guarantee until we know exactly what we have in Edwards.  Owens or no Owens, it's a quarterback's league.  Everything still rests on Trent's shoulders.  But boy, his job should be much easier with T.O. in the fold.

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We're set

Yeah-this is now one of the strongest positions on our team. No need for Crabtree if he should fall to us at 11 even though T.O. is only on a one year deal.

by BBFan4Ever on Mar 8, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Most short sighted stance you could posibbly take.

If Crabtree falls to the Bills at #11, they are Forest Gump stupid if they don’t take him or find someone to trade down with.

The idea of drafting Pettigrew at #11 makes my hemorrhoids flare up!!!!

by Joe P. on Mar 8, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade Down

I never said that they couldn’t trade down. And while the stress fracture doesn’t bother me, his lack of height and possibly speed that do.

Besides-he’ll be gone at 9 to the Jags at the latest. My guess though is 7 to the Raiders.

by BBFan4Ever on Mar 8, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad then....I thought you were saying you would pass on Crabtree.

The idea of drafting Pettigrew at #11 makes my hemorrhoids flare up!!!!

by Joe P. on Mar 8, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agreed here. Crabtree is a steal here for anyone at 11. Is it fair to call him the biggest playmaker in the draft?

by krytime on Mar 8, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't call him the biggest playmakers of the draft, but he's up there

And you deffinatly trade down if Crabtree falls to us. We can easily pick up a later first and another second for him, maybe even a late round pic as well

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 9, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If anyone goes

ide get rid of Reed, hes been a career underachiever who has been givin more than enough oppertunities. Parrish has so much more value, not only as a punt returner, but as a receiver, we just need to get him the ball more. Hes a threat to take it to the house everytime he touches the ball. With Evans and Owens now on the outside things are really going to open up underneath for Parrish. Who do you think defenses game plan for more, Parrish or Reed??

by Baggz on Mar 8, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

considering reed catches the ball while roscoe doesn’t, reed.

Roscoe is fast, no one is doubting that. But he doesn’t have good hands and he can’t run a pass route. He’s not a good 3rd receiver. Reed is. Reed is a good route runner, has decent hands, and is fairly adept at YAC (he is, after all a former running back) despite not having great speed.

doesn't buy posluzny.

by JPH on Mar 8, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is how I see it working out this season

Wideouts: Evans/Owens with Hardy mixed in. Next season, Hardy takes over from Owens.
Slot: Reed with Johnson getting a fair amount of reps because Reed will be a FA in 2010 and I think Johnson will be an upgrade.
Roscoe: 4th receiver (should be traded for whatever we can get for him)

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by keysh67 on Mar 8, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade Reed over Parrish?

NO WAY!

the reason Reed is an “underachiever” is that he’s a slot receiver forced to play #2. And Reed showed infinatly more value than Parrish in the passing game last year. Parrish may be a great punt returner, but in the passing game his hand as VERY suspect, as well is his ability to get open. Parrish showed promiss as a receiver, but that never devellopped, even when he had the chance to show what he could do before he had his injury last year. If we trade anyone, it’s Parrish.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 9, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Later Justin Jenkins.........

atleast thats IMO

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

only if Steve Johnson can continue improving on ST's....

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by Kurupt on Mar 8, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

Jenkins has more value on STs right now than Stevie has at WR.

by twoeightnine on Mar 8, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what value exactly?

I dont recall seeing him do much last year……….

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 8, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

From what I could find, both had just 3 tackles this past season, with Johnson playing in 2 fewer games.

Johnson has ST’s value as well, and has already gotten experience in the role. I don’t see how Jenkins as a ST player only is more valuable that Johnson on ST’s, as a backup WR, and with a decent future on O.

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by Kurupt on Mar 9, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea anymore. The stats are different at every site. The Bills have him with 3, NFL with 7, I saw 13 some place else. I’ll take back that statement.

by twoeightnine on Mar 9, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do what I do

Do you remember him even having his name mentioned all season? I sure don’t. I actually remember Stevie making a tackle or two on ST’s.

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by Kurupt on Mar 9, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I remember Stevie making some catches.......

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by norcaliangelsfan on Mar 9, 2009 4:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Add a pass-catching TE and a power-running philosophy...

and we have ourselves an offense boys. We do need a LG though…..

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 8, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FULLBACK!!!!!

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by poz on Mar 8, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Draft Quinn Johnson!!!! Fullback set for years!

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 9, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am fairly confident that they are phasing the FB out (again)

FB will only be used in the short yardage situations.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 9, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know, I was thinking. I’ve been on the fence with regard to a pass catching TE, preferring more of a traditional TE. And with TO now in the mix – I’ve completely made up my mind.

Derek Fine will be fine.

If we truly want a power running game, a complete TE is the way to go. There won’t be enough balls to go around with Evans & TO outside, Reed in the slot, and Lynch or Jackson coming out of the backfield. Pass protection will be paramount to Trent’s success, and a blocking TE first and foremost can help with that.

by krytime on Mar 8, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have to think beyond this season only!!!!!

What are the odds TO will be a Bill in 2010. We all know receivers, including TEs, need time to develop. Getting TO does nothing to change this year’s draft strategy.

The idea of drafting Pettigrew at #11 makes my hemorrhoids flare up!!!!

by Joe P. on Mar 8, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

Thats why I want a pass catching TE, he along with Reed would give Trent a safety valve and he would need a season or so to get really used to the NFL anyway. After a season TO is gone, but Trent has a new target to throw to and hopefully Hardy or Johnson is ready to step in and at least cover some of Owen’s production

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by WABillsfan on Mar 8, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, need a pass catching TE

As TO and Reed will likely go elswhere at end of 2009.

Also important to work Steve Johnson in at slot receiver to replace Reed.

Would trade Roscoe and a 4th to KC on draft day for Waters if we are sure Hardy will be ready to go by late July.

by freddyjj on Mar 8, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade down and get Pettigrew

Like you Kry, as soon as we got Owens it became obvious!

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by keysh67 on Mar 8, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO NO NO NO!!!!!

People, get over Pettigrew!!!! Now that we have TO, our biggest need is on the D-Line, and the best way to fill that need is to draft Orakpo, Maybin or Brown. YOU DO NOT TRADE DOWN FOR PETTIGREW!!!! There are plenty of TE’s in the 2nd and 3rd rounds that will do great while used with Fine. But the depth at DE is not nearly as deep or as talented passed the first round as the TE’s. You draft a DE in the first and a TE in the second. Forget Pettigrew, he’s not for us.

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 9, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bills will draft defense in the first round.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 9, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

God I hope so

I’ll be increadibly dispointed if they draft Pettigrew with the 11th pic

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 9, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completly agreed

Fine should be our starting WR this year, with maybe Neilson or Cook as the second stringer

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 9, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

How about Nelson in the 2nd and trading Roscoe for Waters???

by BBFan4Ever on Mar 8, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’d need to add in a draft pic if you want to trade Roscoe for Waters

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 9, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right now, no.

Right now we need to add a DE and an OLB in the first and second. I would be happy waiting until the 3rd and getting the best TE available like Travis Beckum. We still need O Line depth too.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 9, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I concurr MRW

I’ve been saying we need to upgrade the lines. Now it’s more important than ever. We upgrade that LG position with a brawler and we can and should be a force on offense. “What if” we take the likes of a Andre Smith “If and only if” he drops that far to us? Put him at RT and Walker inside at RG and move Butler to the LG spot? Hmmm…Makes you think a bit.

by Hambone on Mar 8, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andre Smith is the 2nd coming of Mike Williams

can only bench 225 16 times
Doesn’t want to play football
Gil Brandt and the Sirius NFL guys are screaming Poison re: Andre Smith

by freddyjj on Mar 8, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree totally

I won’t touch Andre Smith with a six foot pole.

Did you see his combine fiasco? He’s got bust written all over him. Unless there is miracle in his Pro-Day, he will fall into the 2nd round.

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by moncheri on Mar 9, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think its worth trading Roscoe unless we its in a deal for Waters. He is still explosive and Terrell Owens will also open things up for him as the 4th receiver. He will have so much room to work with when Evans Owens and Reed are all on the field with him

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by poz on Mar 8, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Poz – let me play devils advocate with you. How many times do you actually line up with 4 WRs? Usually, if that’s the case, you’re not in an ideal setting.

Hopefully, if this offense will improve, at most we’ll see 3 WR sets, with Reed being the slot guy. I really can’t imagine Parrish getting much if any time on the field now as a WR, barring injury of course.

If we could unload that salary and get a fourth, I’d jump all over it. Parrish is going into is 5th year now. If he hasn’t figured out how to be a WR by now, he never will..

by krytime on Mar 8, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all on Edwards

While he’ll never be a Jim Kelly, Trent has no more excuses but to take charge of this offense.
Especially if we do pick up another interior lineman.

As far as becoming a power running team — if we can do that without becoming predictable (ala Mularkey; run on first and second down, pass on 3rd) that’s great. But, and I say this as a pre-emptive word, let’s not get too carried away with obsessively chanting “identity”. Yes, it would be nice to have a bread-and-butter attack, but only to the point where defenses can’t key on it.

by Dyl on Mar 8, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree

Krytime-you’re absolutely right! Besides Stevie J should be the other slot guy should we line up w/ 4 WRs.

by BBFan4Ever on Mar 8, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Johnson will supplant Parrish as the 4th WR

He is bigger, tougher and has better hands on the field.

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by WABillsfan on Mar 8, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He will replace Reed by 2010

Last year when they finally realized that Parrish sucks and #13 started to get some playing time he did extremely well and he proved to be an awesome blocker. I can’t see OBD extending Reed. I think the intention will be to mix in Johnson at Slot and eventually taking over by next year.

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by keysh67 on Mar 8, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is Roscoe explosive? Because he can return one punt return for a TD in a season, and do nothing on the offensive side? Good punt returner, but not much else….

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by Kurupt on Mar 8, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

but I still think he has the potential to be a potent weapon with a coach who can use him properly

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by poz on Mar 8, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

people always talk about roscoe being welker-esque...

but doesn’t it seem like Reed can be the equivalent to Welker in this offense now that so many other threats exist. He has good hands and the ability to pick up yards after the catch. He’s welker, T.O. can be our Moss (though a lesser moss) and Lee Evans…is just better than any other option the Pats have. If Edwards can run this offense and the new interior line can block….man this O should be good.

doesn't buy posluzny.

by JPH on Mar 8, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I see one main difference

Like Reed, Welker can use his wiggleworm-like agility to free up everything else (deep passing AND running). UNlike Reed, the Patriots could use Welker’s ceaseless energy for four or five plays in a row if necessary. Basically, the Patriots could channel their attack through Wes Welker at time. Buffalo can go to Josh Reed to move chains and for spice. New England, on the other hand, would use Welker as a balancing option. He can be used as frequently as your Turbo on Madden — long enough to present you (read: your offense) with a more favorable position.

by Dyl on Mar 8, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

firstly

T.O. is a one year solution. So this franchise can’t go trading WR’s or not drafting pass-catchers, cuz next year T.O. may very well be gone.

We STILL Desperately need a pass-catching TE. While the addition of T.O. adds a possession-type WR for Edwards, he is not a guy likes going over the middle. He gets alligator arms, doesn’t like getting hit, and that is exactly why he has so many drops. That’s why adding a pass-catcher is so damn important. Having a reliable over the middle threat to win 1-on-1 matchups with LB’s when T.O. and Evans are drawing double coverage up top will be the single most important thing for Buffalo. I expect a TE, along with Reed, Johnson, and our dynamic backfield of pass-catchers to have greatly increased receptions now with T.O. opposite of Evans. I am so damn excited to see how good this offense can be. I just hope Turk Schonert realizes one thing and one thing only….we are still a RUN FIRST TEAM….keep that in mind, and the sky is the limit

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Mar 8, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I’m overrating Fine. It certainly isn’t the first time I’ve over-valued a player. But I think the dude will be able to catch too. I really think he has a chance to develop into a very good all around TE.

Bringing in TO (hopefully) should lessen the burden on Fine, and even Hardy/Johnson to an extent, giving them another year to develop.

There are other positions on this team that need an upgrade. I just don’t that a TE is in the top three, or even four.

by krytime on Mar 8, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not trading receiverS (plural)

But receiver, singular, seems to be a trading option regardless of TO’s presence. In a world without TO, our WR position is still crowded with players who could be waiting to emerge alongside players who have hit their personal ceiling. Who do the Bills give more snaps? Roscoe, Hardy, or Johnson? We can’t develop Roscoe any longer, and playing #11, while taking advantage of his talents, just ends up stagnates Hardy and Johnson’s development. The Bills can’t have it both ways (or all three ways) and should really consider a Parrish trade to allow their younger receivers to develop more naturally.

I guess I’m going on the record as agreeing with Ron from NM with the Parrish trade now!

by Dyl on Mar 8, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

T.O. is a one year solution. So this franchise can’t go trading WR’s or not drafting pass-catchers, cuz next year T.O. may very well be gone.

Ideally, T.O. would just make way for Hardy and Johnson. I think we very much can afford to trade one of our guys, particularly if it nets us a starter or an additional draft pick.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TO doesn't go over the middle?
While the addition of T.O. adds a possession-type WR for Edwards, he is not a guy likes going over the middle.

I’ve seen him go over the middle lots of times. More than Evans certainly.

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 9, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DE, G/C, LB, TE, i’d say.

doesn't buy posluzny.

by JPH on Mar 8, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DE, G/C, LB, TE, i’d say.

I think that’s a pretty fair way to look at it. What about a Safety though instead of TE? Or even a DT, in case McCargo is moved or cut.

by krytime on Mar 8, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dunno about that

i’m thinking DE, TE, C/G, LB

by CanadianBillsFan on Mar 9, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So then who starts at OLB?

Ellison?

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by MattRichWarren on Mar 11, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're not done

As stated by CB at OBD-we may not be done. I say we’re going to sign a LB and then possibly trade for Waters. If that’s the case, then TE jumps up to 2nd round status notwithstanding your thoughts on Fine (which I agree).

You can get a DT or S in round 3. Regarding DT-we should look for depth, but I think McCargo will have a solid season for US.

by BBFan4Ever on Mar 8, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My sense is that we’re done with free agents. All of those guys that came through last week? I doubt we make a move for any of them.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so are you saying a trade may be our next move? I surely hope you don’t think we are done until the draft. We still have too many holes to fill and the draft won’t get them all.

by CBATL32 on Mar 8, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very astute of you to read between the lines like that.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know Brian

I think we sign one vet LBer before the draft, it just may take a week or so

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by WABillsfan on Mar 8, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we do sign a linebacker, I highly doubt it’ll be one of the guys that came in for a visit. We might sign Keiaho or Pat Thomas, but it won’t be to start.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So your saying you think the Bills are done making significant FA additions? A crappy 3rd RB, OL depth or something like that is still possible or even likely?

by kaisertown on Mar 8, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, basically that. I have no inside info, though, so don’t take it as such. Just a hunch.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget about Alvin Bowen

He’ll be back to work and with DiGiorgio and Costanzo, that makes 6 Linebackers for us already. We seem to have plenty of depth at the position, just not a reliable third starter.

by Dyl on Mar 8, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quite right.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 8, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McCargo.

Expecting McCargo to play well is like expecting it to be 65 degrees and sunny on Christmas in Buffalo.

by jj24 on Mar 8, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That really is an expensive group of WRs. Then again, it is a very talented group too. It’s tough to say whether Buffalo should move Parrish or not. He is owed a big 3 mil this season, but makes a very reasonable 1.5 mil in 2010 and 2011. If Buffalo doesn’t mind overpaying for this year of Roscoe’s contract, he is probably worth keeping for his punt return abilities alone. If you can package him in a trade and get good value for him, then that is a pretty smart move too. I don’t really think Buffalo can screw up regardless of what decision they make regarding Parrish.

I have to think that Justin Jenkins can’t make this roster if the WRs are reasonably healthy heading into the regular season. I would expect Steve Johnson to see a lot of time as a punt gunner this year and might even lock down the job full time opposite Wendling.

As far as this blog is concerned, one of my favorite things about adding TO is that it will temper expectations about Steve Johnson. I was already preparing for people to predict 50+ catches and a bunch of TDs for him next year. He does have a great shot to contribute on more than special teams though. Injuries happen and Johnson should get reps ahead of a gimpy Hardy in OTAs and early in camp and has a great shot at holding onto that spot and climbing over Parrish at some point too.

by kaisertown on Mar 8, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Johnson better be worried. Unless they move Parrish, he could be a goner. If I were him, I’d try and be Bobby April’s favorite when mini camp opens up.

I don’t remember him as a STs demon last year. Was he noticeable there?

Is there a chance Hardy ends up on season long IR?

by krytime on Mar 8, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, Jenkins would be gone

He costs less, and he doesn’t provide the same on offense benefits Johnson has already shown to us in 1 year, and Jenkins has been here, what? 3 years I think? So Jenkins would be odd man out if we don’t move Roscoe.

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Mar 8, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you mean Johnson or Jenkins? Jenkins was a pretty big special teams dissapointment if you ask me. Aftering registering 9 ST tackles in 2007, Jenkins only had 3 tackles last year and was inactive for 3 games. In comparison, the other punt gunner, Wendling had 13 tackles two years ago and 10 last year. I think Jenkins is going to have a tough time at just being a better punt gunner than Steve Johnson who also had 3 tackles last season. Johnson is a little bigger and while he might not be all that much faster than Jenkins he is a better athlete in general.

Assuming Hardy doesn’t have any serious setbacks, I don’t see how the Bills can IR him. Even if they have no intention of playing him, he is worth a spot on the 53 man roster just so that he can practice with the team all year.

by kaisertown on Mar 8, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The team has to put Hardy on the PUP list to start training camp if he isn’t 100%, right? Remember, they can remove him from the PUP list at any point up until the start of the season and he can then practice right away. It only becomes an issue for the regular season if he’s not ready to practice come September.

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by Kurupt on Mar 9, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct, if he has to stay PUP'ed till start of season, he cannot practice or join the team until week 6

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Mar 9, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah thats right, but he will almost definitely be ready to practice by the time training camp starts unless he suffers some setbacks.

by kaisertown on Mar 9, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably, but it’s not a given that he’ll be 100% just 7 months after his surgery. I wouldn’t rush him back either.

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by Kurupt on Mar 9, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s pretty much a guarantee that he will be running and working out on his own after 7 months, but your right that its far from a guarantee that he will be practicing full go with the team when camp starts.

by kaisertown on Mar 9, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speculation by most of us, but we do know they have talked to KC about Waters

Just like 80% of the rest of the NFL for that matter. But what people do know is KC is holding out for a haul to get him. Thats why we think Rosco would be good trade bait. They’re STs suck, they only have Tony G and Dwayne Bowe so they need another receiver, and Pioli did help enigneer the trade for Welker, so that may work in our favor, though Welker has far superior hands to Roscoe.

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Mar 8, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

important question

Is TO wearing #1? I assumed he’d nab #81 from Hardy, but I keep getting emails from buffalobills.com that show Owens 1 jerseys…

doesn't buy posluzny.

by JPH on Mar 8, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As noted in another thread
  1. is a place holder till the actual number is decided by the player. WRs cannot wear any numbers outside 10-19 and 80-89

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Mar 8, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

That’s McKelvin’s number… and Hardy wears #2.

It’s just a placeholder because a blank jersey would look even weirder. Of course the Bills do have the least professional and talented graphics department that I’ve ever seen. It’s seriously pathetic.

by twoeightnine on Mar 8, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sure Owens will end up wearing 81 whether he will have to pay Hardy for it is another matter.

by kaisertown on Mar 8, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's going to be quite something

to see the physical specimen that is Owens in a Bills uniform. They have no one like him.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 8, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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