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Poll: Roscoe, Hardy, or Johnson?

Even if the Bills hadn't acquired T.O. this week, their wide receiver position was loaded with players who each have a difficult time climbing up the depth chart. With the addition of Owens, our WR position is further crowded with players who could be waiting to emerge alongside players who have hit their personal ceiling.

This post is to gauge opinion about the distribution of snaps.  It's fairly clear that each of our three depth receivers have their unique talents; however, when does diversity of our receiver corps begin holding players back from their full potential? 

Who do the Bills give more snaps? Roscoe, Hardy, or Johnson?

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Exhibit A: Roscoe Parrish

Ht: 5'9"

Wt: 171 lbs.

Age: 26

Career Rec. to Games Ratio: 97 receptions over 55 games = 1.76

Average yards per catch: 10.8

TDs: 5 (plus 3 return TDs)

Parrish is a freakish athlete with speed, agility, and the ability to gain seperation in coverage. He has established himself as a star punt returner in the NFL, but has only been featured in Buffalo's offense sparingly.

Parrish's weaknesses are that he is on a team with several more than capable return men (McGee, McKelvin, F. Jackson). Parrish was also a second round draft choice in 2005 and the Bills' first overall selection that year, yet has failed in four seasons to unseat Josh Reed as the team's clear third option at wide receiver.

Exhibit B: James Hardy

Ht: 6'5"

Wt: 212

Age: 23

Career RPG ratio: 9 receptions over 14 games = 0.64 rpg

Avg. yards per catch: 9.7

TDs: 2

Like Roscoe, Hardy was drafted in the second round. UNlike Roscoe, he was taken to be a big, physical receiver that the Bills could use to exploit endzone matchups for touchdowns. And during his rookie season Hardy flashed such scoring ability when he was in the game.

Hardy's main weaknesses were his adjustment to the pro game and his difficulty learning route running. At Indiana the 6'5" receiver was able to be a weapon mainly from physical stature without learning complicated receiving patterns; Hardy is learning that the NFL is a different story.

Exhibit C: Steve Johnson

Ht: 6'2"

Wt: 202

Age: 22

Career Rec. to Games ratio: 10 receptions over 11 games = 0.91 rpg

Avg. yards per catch: 10.2

TDs: 2

Johnson was a steal in the seventh round last year and ended up showing why in the limited amount of time the Bills played him. He followed an impressive preseason in which he was the Bills' leading receiver with two touchdowns. Johnson played with and starred in the always tough SEC in college and scored game winning touchdowns in big games (Kentucky's games against Louisville and LSU).

Like Hardy, Johnson needs to work on his route running, particularly making sharp and defined cuts. At Kentucky, though productive, he benefited from the presence of other talented playmakers. To be a more productive receiver at the NFL level, Johnson also needs to work on utilizing his size in order to be more physical against press coverage.

What say you?

Poll
After Evans, Owens, and Reed, the Bills have three receivers competing for snaps. What would your approach be to playing and/or developing those players on the bottom half of our WR depth chart?
A. Roscoe's seperation ability 'seperates' him from the other two more situational players.
4 votes
B. Hardy is a beast in the making. More snaps would catch him up to the NFL level and help Buffalo the most.
7 votes
C. Steve Johnson was a steal and a potential star in the making. He needs those snaps to take his game to the next level.
29 votes
A/B. Let Johnson sit. The other two were drafted higher for a reason.
1 votes
B/C. Trade Roscoe and play both the young'ins to see what they're made of.
106 votes
A/C. Sit Hardy, play the other two. He flopped last year, and may never adjust to the pro game.
8 votes
D. Play all three equally, limiting them to situational duty.
30 votes

185 votes | Poll has closed

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I'm siding with both Hardy and Johnson (B/C)

I really feel that playing all three of them equally is limiting for the future. When TO leaves the Bills are going to need a clear No. 2. We need to find out a little bit more if Hardy or Johnson could step in at that position. Clearly, Roscoe Parrish is not going to be a No. 2 receiver in the NFL, and with the talent we have at returner, frankly, he’s expendable.

I like the idea of trading him to KC with a pick for Waters; but I’d probably release him if there was no trade interest.

by Dyl on Mar 8, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

There’s got to be some trade interest. Can the Bills please get something in return for somebody??

by thefourwinds on Mar 8, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why release him?

If you can’t trade him for Waters or an established starter, or a good draft pick, why not keep him? Keep him as our punt returner, one of the best in the league, and limit his snaps on O. There’s no reason to release him though; we don’t need the cap space that badly. Keep our excellent punt return unit in tact if we can’t trade him for a starting LG….

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by Kurupt on Mar 8, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It just depends on whether you can make a roster spot of the 53

For someone who’s only going to return punts and play 10 snaps a year.

by Dyl on Mar 9, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup....

that’ll make it more difficult.

However, we kept 6 WR’s last year, and I have no problem cutting Jenkins in August to get us to that 6 again.

Plus, many teams have guys who only return kicks. It’s not out of the question to keep him solely for that, and a few plays here and there on O. Then again, those guys aren’t making $3M a year….

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by Kurupt on Mar 9, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would actually say that the majority (maybe even almost all) of NFL teams have someone on their roster who wouldn’t be if they didn’t return kicks and/or punts.

The problem with keeping Parrish solely for punt returns is that at 3 mil for this season, he would be a pretty expensive punt returner. But the 1.5 mil that he makes in 2010 and 2011 is a pretty good deal for the best punt returner in the league even if that is the only thing he does.

by kaisertown on Mar 9, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree on that last part, but only if remains a top returner. Dante Hall was a great return guy, who seemed to disappear over night. If Bobby April is here though, Parrish should remain a threat.

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by Kurupt on Mar 9, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hall had an awful 2006 at the age of 29 which led to the trade, he had a great rebound in his first year in STL and was very mediocre this past year at age 31. Parrish is 27, so I would imagine he should still be one of the best for a few more years, but you never do know.

by kaisertown on Mar 9, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd feel a lot better about paying him to stay

- if he returned kicks and punts. Now that McKelvin is going to play starting cornerback we might let Roscoe return kicks. I don’ t know many teams that keep players on their roster just to return Punts, especially teams with leaky defenses that don’t force an awful lot of punts :).

- if he didn’t play receiver in front of our two young players. We know what Roscoe can do on offense, we have seen the extent of what he offers. It’s not really much of a contribution to our offense in general.

by Dyl on Mar 9, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, besides releasing him.

i really think that johnson may be the best reciever out of those 3 right now, let alone if given more opportunities which will only further his growth in this offense and as a player in the NFL.. t his kid has the size the speed and the quickness.. he showed it at the end of last season, and at this point i believe is ahead of at least hardy on the depth and in my oppinion should be ahead of parrish as well..

by Shovel51 on Mar 9, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

But he HAS to get rid of that jersey number.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 9, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen Roscoe continuously described as a freakish athlete, one of the fastest in the league, the ability to separate and avoid defenders, etc, etc, etc. I’ve seen him do that ONE time in his career, when he took a quick slant against the Jets a few years back and took it 50 yards for a TD. Where is the make-defenders-miss ability that I hear so much about? Is he really capable of all the things he’s always talked about as having?

I really see no reason that Roscoe should get more PT on O, since he’s never earned it. He’s a solid guy to throw in there situationally, and a great punt return man, but he definitely shouldn’t be getting more snaps unless he starts proving he’s worthy of them….

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by Kurupt on Mar 8, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

He did have this one great return last year where he juked dang near the entire coverage team. It took him like 15 seconds to score.

by Dyl on Mar 8, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, one play, all season. He’s done it occasionally before, on ST’s, but I was talking about on O. If he has a lot of space to move around and get going, he’s pretty dang good. However, I don’t think he operates all that well on O in lesser space….if that makes any sense.

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by Kurupt on Mar 8, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It makes perfect sense. Roscoe is great at sidestepping players, stopping and starting and things like that, but that doesn’t get you very far when your on offense and players are running at you from every direction. We’ve all seen it work great on special teams when he always makes the first guy miss on punt returns by sidestepping the tackler and letting him run by him and he does it on O too, it just doesn’t really net him any extra yards. On special teams all of the defenders are running at him from the same general direction and that is why he is so much better at finding or creating space for himself.

As fast as the guy is, you would figure he would be a better deep threat too. How many times have we seen Trent try to hit him deep only to overthrow him because he is pretty perfectly covered and Trent has no choice but to try and make an absolutely perfect throw?

by kaisertown on Mar 8, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

He gets man handled on the line

He really doesn’t get off the line very well, too small and light – he gets jammed.

He definitely has had a lot of chances most of which last year when Reed was out and he proved in my mind anyways that he will never be anything more than a situational guy. We have enough return guys that we should be trying to trade him and get something (anything really) for him in exchange. The other reason is that he takes up a valuable spot on a 53 man roster that could be used by another player

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by keysh67 on Mar 9, 2009 5:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Get Parrish out of here...

The guy will never be a legitamit threat at reciever. He has been in the league for too long and he has shown us nothing. This guy will never be the Wes Welker we all wanted him to be.

Evans, Owens, Reed, Hardy, Johnson, and that low cost special teams guy. Thats it.

by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Mar 9, 2009 8:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Let the young guns grow

We need to do whatever we can to package Parrish and a pick in a trade for an OG or TE. Waters is obviously the first name that comes to mind but the Chiefs would have to agree.

Parrish could be Cassel’s Welker in KC. We always wanted to get him the ball more but never really followed through. In my opinion he is just wasting a roster spot.

Johnson and Hardy will benefit more from receiving reps in this offense.

by GennyLight on Mar 9, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

How can Parrish be a “Welker” on another team when he can’t be that guy here?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Mar 9, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

because we don’t have a coaching staff that uses players to their abilities

by GennyLight on Mar 9, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is P.K. Sam the answer?

Parrish might be worth keeping if he could return kickoffs as well as punts, but apparently he is not regarded as sturdy enough to do both. Given that fact, and his lack of production on offense, he needs in my view to be regarded as one of Tom Donahoe’s many mistakes and traded at the point where we can get some value for him (Kansas City here he comes?). A possible replacement as a returner is P.K. Sam, who spent last year on the PS and is supposedly as fast as Roscoe. Sam is much bigger than Roscoe and should be durable enough to return both punts and kickoffs. He would also be much cheaper, given his free agent contract. Whether he is a good enough returner remains to be seen, but Chris Brown did report last year that Boibby April was high on him.

by Macktruck on Mar 9, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Why would we keep a different receiver over Parrish to return kicks, especially one who stinks and has never done anything in the NFL? Just to save some money?

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by Kurupt on Mar 9, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

How do you know that P.K. Sam “stinks”? He arrived on the P.S. in the middle of last season and we have never seen him in action in a Bills uniform. Let’s remember that free agents occasionally turn out to be very valuable — Jason Peters and Fred Jackson come immediately to mind. The likelihood of that increases if all they are being asked to do is run back kicks rather than actually play on offense.

My point is that Sam, if he is good (an unknown at this point, but also a possibility) could return BOTH punts and kickoffs — something that Roscoe apparently is too small to do. That would leave McGee and McKelvin free to play CB. Taking up a roster spot when all you can do is return punts is a luxury the team can’t afford, but if you can also do kickoffs you are doubling your value and making a roster spot more justifiable (especially if you are very fast). There’s also the advantage of being able to trade Roscoe for something good — perhaps a draft pick or a down payment toward Brian Waters. Again, I sure don’t know what the Bills really have with Sam, but if they think well of him it seems to me that the various advantages of using him to replace Roscoe — saving cap space, the fact that he can do kickoffs, and the value of Roscoe as trade bait) make it worth considering.

by Macktruck on Mar 9, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was signed in late January. I don’t know why you are talking about him on our PS.

Sam has bounced around the league and the CFL, and has never done anything to prove a capable player at this level.

And I really have no idea where you’re getting the idea that he could be returning punts and/or kick with us, or any other NFL team. In college he returned 6 punts for 30 yards and 4 kickoffs for 74 yards in his career. Can you explain why you think this guy could be our return man, and why him or any other guy wouldn’t just be some return specialist only? Roscoe is a very good punt returner, and has some value on O, albeit not a whole lot. I am really intrigued by why you are so into this PK Sam character?!?

~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 9, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. PK Sam has been on a 53 man roster for 2 games during his 5 years in the NFL. He isn’t rosterable and he will only be brought into camp because of how often WRs struggle though hamstring problems that lead to them being unable to practice at full speed and because nobody wants WRs with hamstring or any other injury to be playing in preseason games, especially in the second half of preseason games.

PK Sam is a WR (and he sucks at that) and not a returner (no one has ever given him the chance and that is for good reason).

And as much as we all rip on Parrish for being pretty bad on O, he could be very useful at some point. If Jenkins doesn’t make the team and we go with the 6 WRs we all assume will make the team, what happens if Hardy doesn’t get his rythym back and struggles even more than last year? So then Roscoe is at worst your 5th reciever, and then what happens when someone is inevitably injured? Is PK Sam your 4th WR or do you use Jackson or Schouman or go with some random experiment like that? What if two WRs are hurt at the same time? Do you force Hardy onto the field even though he isn’t right and seems lost when healthy because PK Sam is all that’s left of are you stuck playing PK Sam, a player who has been on a 53 man roster for 2 games during a 5 year NFL practice squad career? I would rather keep Felton Huggins as a 6th WR and let Fred Jackson and McKelvin split duties (it didn’t hurt McGee to do both when he was young) then even consider PK Sam as an option to make this team.

by kaisertown on Mar 9, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you take the trouble to read my post carefully you will see that I am not “so into this P.K. Sam character,” but rather wanted to raise the question of whether he could take over as a returner if Parrish got traded. I state clearly that he is “an unknown,” but as I also mentioned in my original post I recall Chris Brown commenting a while ago that Sam was very fast and might be useful as a returner. My own attitude is to wait and see how free agents fare in the preseason before making any judgments on them. But it is useful, it seems to me, to stay aware of the players sitting in reserve status because some of them do work out and make significant contributions. The fact that they haven’t done that well with other teams may or may not be an indication of how good they are.

by Macktruck on Mar 9, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a little skeptical

It’s a good thought, but if we keep a receiver not currently on the depth chart to return kicks and punts, we might as well let Roscoe do it. In my eyes, a salary of 3 Million dollars for this year is really not that vital of a reason to get rid of Parrish (especially since it’s being halved next year), it’s more the roster spot and playing time for the others that begs a roster move.

by Dyl on Mar 9, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

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