Offensive Line Review: Duke Preston
If you've been around for a while you've likely discovered that I've got a weird fascination with the battle in the trenches. Specifically, I like to spend what free time I have watching how individual linemen do. I got into this mainly because I didn't want to just say so-and-so sucks or is terrific. I wanted data in the deep, nerdy way that Tom Clancy wants to know the ins and outs of various pieces of military hardware.
I had already done Jason Peters' season review before the end of the season. (He didn't play in the last two games.) Here's the link in case you have insomnia.
There has been some discussion about Duke Preston over the past couple of weeks. The release of Derrick Dockery and subsequent realization the team has only two viable interior linemen (Brad Butler, Geoff Hangartner) helped these discussions along. Specifically, people have been questioning whether he should be re-signed as depth now that Buffalo has picked up Hangartner to start at center. Short answer? "No." Long answer? "Hell no!" Actually, the long answer follows after the jump.
Ron's Grading Method
If you haven't trudged through any of my interminably long offensive line posts, I watch how each lineman does on every play. I then rate each lineman as having had a good, decent or bad play. I also note if the lineman's screw-up killed a play or a drive. (Every drive that didn't result in a TD was killed.) For the stats below, it may be useful to know that I score each good play as 95, decent play as 75 and bad play as 55. A good play is one in which a lineman does something remarkable, such as pancaking a defender or preventing a defender from elevating into the throwing lane. A decent play is one in which a lineman does his job - his defender doesn't disrupt the play, but the lineman doesn't really stand out either. Most plays fall in the decent category. A bad play is one in which the lineman screwed the pooch in some way. He might have allowed a defender to smack the QB or failed to block a guy who then either tackled or harried the RB. Killed plays are those in which the lineman's mistake caused the play to fail. To continue the above examples, the defender might sack the QB or tackle the RB in the backfield. Drive killing errors are those which literally cause the drive to stall, either with a kick (punt, FG) or turnover.
Preston while passing
Preston was on the field for 372 pass plays in 2008. Of those, he graded out as good on 2 (0.5%), decent on 344 (92.5%), bad on 26 (7%), and killed 9 (2.4%). That grades out to a poor 69.4%. Some have suggested that Preston showed progress towards the end of the year, which indicated he might grow into a decent center. This wasn't the case in the passing game. In the first 8 games (Preston had significant playing time in three - one of which was the Chargers game which wasn't broadcast in its entirety) he had no good plays, 86 decent ones, 7 bad ones and 4 killed plays for a grade of 73.1%. In games 9-12, Preston had 1 good play, 128 decent ones, 4 bad ones and 3 killed plays for a grade of 74.3%. In games 13-16 he had 1 good play, 130 decent ones, 7 bad ones and 2 killed plays for a grade of 73.6%.
That isn't growth, but rather consistency. Then I started to think about when people with the Bills were talking about Preston's improvement. I recall, perhaps wrongly, that it was during the last couple of weeks of the season. Looking at the last quarter of the season in greater depth, Preston had a terrible stretch (passes 8-13 and 15 were bad) in the passing game against the Patriots. Dropping out that week and looking at the Dolphins-Jets-Broncos stretch, Preston had 1 good play, 104 decent ones, 4 bad ones and 2 killed plays for a grade of 74.5%. That would put Preston's trajectory in the pass game as 73.1% to 74.3% to 74.5%, something that would indeed show some promise. The egg he laid in the second Patriots game, however, was smelly enough to make that upward trajectory wilt and dip back down: 73.1% to 74.3% (back down) to 73.6%. So, yes, Preston was improving in his pass blocking and then Vince Wilfork came to town.
Preston while running
The run game wasn't any prettier for Preston. He was on the field for 269 televised run plays. He was rated as good on 24 (8.9%), decent on 148 (55.0%), bad on an astounding 97 (36.1%) and killed 19 (7.1%) for a dismal grade of 69.6%. Ugh. That's actually worse than I thought it would be. Think about that for a moment. Preston was beaten on more than one third of all running plays. He personally killed about one out of every 14 run plays.
Again, let's take a look at how it breaks down by quarter. The first 8 games (Preston saw significant action in 3 of the first 8 games) saw Preston have 5 good run plays, 39 decent ones, 7 bad ones and 7 killed plays for a grade of 70.3%. Weeks 9-12, Preston had 8 good plays, 58 decent ones, 10 bad ones and 8 killed plays for a grade of 68.7%. The last quarter Preston had 11 good run plays, 51 decent ones, 35 bad ones and 4 killed plays for a grade of 70.1%.
So, yes, Preston had a slight rebound (70.3% to 68.7% to 70.1%) in the last quarter. Once again, we're not talking growth so much as a mild swelling. It's interesting, to me anyway, to drop the Patriots game from the mix. Doing so, Preston had 7 good plays, 37 decent ones, 22 bad ones and 3 killed plays for a grade of 70.5%. It's not exactly a great leap to get from 68.7% to 70.5%, but it's almost a half percent better than when the Patriots game is included. Throw in Preston's idiotic decision to get into an altercation at the end of the first half - instead of, you know, snapping the ball to kill the clock or for a field goal - and he quite simply played himself out of a job against the Patriots.
Preston against the 4-3 vs Preston against the 3-4
There is one more aspect to Preston's run game issues to beat into the ground. Some have said that he's a good center when faced with a 4-3 defense and only struggles with 3-4 nose tackles. There's a grain of truth to this theory. Against 4-3 defenses (Preston played only 3) he had 3 good plays, 42 decent ones, 11 bad ones and 1 killed play for a grade of 72.1%. Against 3-4 defenses he had 21 good plays, 106 decent ones, 86 (!) bad ones and 18 killed plays for a grade of 68.9%.
Preston was better at run blocking against 4-3 defenses than 3-4 (72.1% to 68.9%), but that's not nearly good enough against either to play in the NFL. Besides, the AFC East is home to three 3-4 defenses, so there isn't any getting away from them. There's also no point whatsoever in bringing Preston back as depth. After all, if a guy has proven that he's incapable of starting, what's the point of having him on the roster? It would be one thing if Preston was an unknown quantity like Demetrius Bell or some other rookie. Preston has demonstrated that his ceiling is the roof of the basement. To move out of the division basement, the Bills need to pass on players who dwell there in perpetuity.
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I take back everything I said
I was heavily a proponent of signing Duke before Ron’s analysis — but that was because Ron’s Report had not been available. I had followed the Bible on Preston during the season, but I had presumed that Preston was improving at the end. Sounds like we could get any Joe out there and get the same performance — and Duke has had his share of opportunities. I go back to the original thought that we must draft an interior lineman (I say, a Center) in the 2nd round. Eric Wood seemed really impressive in the Combines; what about Max Unger, if he is there in the 2nd?
by labill on Mar 9, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sign him
But only by bringing in more competition with him. We’ve got to at least get some depth in here right now. By no means am I hoping we sign him and guarantee him a backup role. Sign him and let him compete for a roster position. We don’t have to keep him, remember, but it’d be nice to at the very least, cover our tails on the interior.
I would still prefer adding a versatile backup G/C in the mid rounds now….
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by Kurupt on Mar 9, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he'll be available when training camp opens...
….should Buffalo not bring in someone in the draft.
by Ron From NM on Mar 9, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok but signing him now doesn't cost us anything other than a spot on the 80-man roster limit.
I doubt we would pay a signing bonus.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 9, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing bonus?
If Buffalo signs him Preston should go wash Jauron’s car in gratitude.
by Ron From NM on Mar 9, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHA
REc’d
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 9, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Buffalo signs him Preston should go wash Jauron’s car in gratitude…
…with his tongue.
by thefourwinds on Mar 10, 2009 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted to keep him only because we don't have anyone else right now
If the Bills bring in a girl scout with a bad attitude, I am sure she can beat out Dukie. Then, cut him loose.
You can’t let T.O. use your man berries as a chew toy!
by Joe P. on Mar 9, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But how hard is it to sign someone with the talent level of a girl scout with attitude?
I’m totally behind Ron on this. It’s easier to sign one player not named Duke Preston than it is to resign Duke, sign an angry girl scout, and cut Duke. What’s the point?
by Dyl on Mar 9, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only point is don't cut him unless you have his replacement as backup. Nothing to lose by waiting.
You can’t let T.O. use your man berries as a chew toy!
by Joe P. on Mar 9, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a note
You say he grades 69.4% overall, but 73.1% in the first 8, 74.3% in games 9-12 and 73.6% in games 13-16. Is it correct? How can his overall grade be lower than any of the intermediate grades?
I was just wondering if this is an effect of the way you calculate the grade, or if it is a typo of some sort.
by patamunzo on Mar 9, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m kind of confused by that too, Ron.
patamunzo, those were for passing downs only, but your point is still legit. How can he be a 69 overall in the passing game, but in the increments shown, doesn’t fall below 73%?
~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 9, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would appear that the discrepancy results from the number of “bad” plays Ron accounts for. He says that Preston had 26 total for the passing game, while the three individual sections only add up to 18. With only 18 bad plays total (and only 364 total plays) Preston would then grade out to a 74.1%.
by karovda on Mar 9, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I know
69.4% is the overall rating on passing downs reported by Ron.
by patamunzo on Mar 9, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good catch! Can you play tight end?
I went back and re-checked my math. I must have made a computation error somewhere along the line when figuring out Preston’s overall grade for pass protection. After re-checking I came out with 73.7, much better than 69.4. I actually should have seen that sooner since 92% his pass protection plays were average. Even counting all of his good and bad pass plays as zeros (which wouldn’t be fair at all) only drops him to 69.0%.
by Ron From NM on Mar 9, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Percentages
I think these percentages are a DECENT way of evaluating linemen. However, i think watching tape is the best thing to do. I just don’t trust these percentages for some reason, I"m not trying to dis them or anything.
by buffaloboy90 on Mar 10, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well in order to come up with the percentages Ron watched every tape.
Literally every televised snap of Bills football. This tells the story BB90.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 11, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t read to much of Ron’s stuff so I’m not completely familiar. I know he’s popular on this site. I would prefer if he would give us all the numbers and then give us a “Bottom Line” type of thing (he may already do this, I have no idea).
I just think it’s a little like the NFL combine. I had season tickets to Ohio State all the years Vernohn Gholston played at Ohio State and I knew he wasn’t very good. So, I was completely shocked to see him go to the Jets as highly as he did. I took a look at his combine numbers and they were great. 42 inch vertical, sub 4.6 forty, and 38 bench press reps.
I appreciate all the hard work that Ron does for us. So, if he says Duke Preston is not good because he didn’t PLAY well on tape then that’s good enough for me. However, any type of percentage doesn’t convince me. I know they may be correlated, but no entirely.
by buffaloboy90 on Mar 11, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like the combine... he just simply says they helped, didn't help or hurt, hurt, or killed the play.
He lists what he does in the article:
Ron’s Grading Method
If you haven’t trudged through any of my interminably long offensive line posts, I watch how each lineman does on every play. I then rate each lineman as having had a good, decent or bad play. I also note if the lineman’s screw-up killed a play or a drive. (Every drive that didn’t result in a TD was killed.) For the stats below, it may be useful to know that I score each good play as 95, decent play as 75 and bad play as 55. A good play is one in which a lineman does something remarkable, such as pancaking a defender or preventing a defender from elevating into the throwing lane. A decent play is one in which a lineman does his job – his defender doesn’t disrupt the play, but the lineman doesn’t really stand out either. Most plays fall in the decent category. A bad play is one in which the lineman screwed the pooch in some way. He might have allowed a defender to smack the QB or failed to block a guy who then either tackled or harried the RB. Killed plays are those in which the lineman’s mistake caused the play to fail. To continue the above examples, the defender might sack the QB or tackle the RB in the backfield. Drive killing errors are those which literally cause the drive to stall, either with a kick (punt, FG) or turnover.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 12, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen enough
I know I vouched for him for a while, and still wonder if maybe he’d pan out as a backup guard, but there are lots of players in that category. I think we can draft someone with enough chops to even start, and now we have Owens and don’t have to squander on Pettigrew. I think we need a lot more big bodies in camp this summer.
I know height doesn’t seem to be the biggest factor when they consider linemen to draft, and I can’t back it up, but I think there is some truth to the theory that the best Guards / Centers run closer to 6’ than to 6.5’. I believe its a leverage thing. Are there any squatty linemen out there to be had in the draft?
by syrbillsfan on Mar 9, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone covered this a couple of months ago (Kurupt? Kaiser?) and listed all of the heights for starting centers and maybe guards…
by Ron From NM on Mar 9, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was Kaiser
~K
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by Kurupt on Mar 9, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think TO and Duke will hang out if he gets resigned?
Founding member of the Dick Jauron Fan Club.
by taskersd on Mar 9, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More like TO would bust his chops non-stop
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Mar 9, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted to move him along
But wouldn’t be totally upset if they signed him to compete as a backup with our late round draft picks on the oline, which I think we will have 2 or 3 of.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Mar 9, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just say no!
This team likes to lean on below average players or put mediocre players in a position where they look bad. I don’t ever want to hear Jauron defending Preston’s poor performance again; something like:
"Well, we obviously would like our (center/guard) not to get routinely pushed back 4 feet into the pocket or take unnecessary penalties, but we really like Duke. We think that he’s a talented guy… like all the guys on our football team. We really like all of our players. Duke is a quality player and we really like him, obviously".
Feel free to vomit.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Mar 9, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Clearly.
Clearly, you clearly have to use the world clearly three or four times, clearly.
by Dyl on Mar 9, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are obviously correct in pointing out what should have been clearly apparent to me. I think I could have thrown another “really like” as well. I can’t wait to hear Jauron’s reaction when Owens goes off on one of his famous tirades.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Mar 9, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't want him back either
Find somebody (anybody) else. It seems as though Preston has hit his peak, and it sure hasn’t been a very high one. He definitely can’t start, and AT BEST he’s a capable backup, not even average in that regard…
Their infatuation with Preston puzzles me even more because he’s a holdover from the Donahoe era, I believe…So you wouldn’t really think the coaching staff would have any grand allegiance to him.
by Make a play Whitner on Mar 9, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it was allegiance...
….so much as having too many other holes to fill. Now that OBD has addressed a couple of needs (interior lineman, WR) to an as yet unknown degree in free agency the team will have more options in the draft. I’d love to see Buffalo take a center in the 2nd and then take another interior lineman in the 5th….unless the Waters trade speculation pans out and then Buffalo would only need the 2nd round center.
by Ron From NM on Mar 9, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does this effect T.O. Ron???
I mean everything is about that guy now right? :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 9, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s why I set this to post on Wednesday…
by Ron From NM on Mar 9, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's OK Ron...
We need to show we are about more than just TO.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 9, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted to keep him...
at or close to the vet minimum. He at least provides us with a warm body that won’t cost any money until we get some better guys in via the draft. Then we can cut him loose if everything works out. If not he can back-up some guys.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 9, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The whole point of a back up is to have a guy who can fill in when a starter goes down. We already know Preston can’t do an adequate job at either guard or center. And we also know that Butler is injury prone.
by Ron From NM on Mar 9, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ergo...
we know Preston can’t replace Butler so why even have him on the team? I give it to you. This has nothing to do with your line expertise but it’s sound judgment.
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by MattRichWarren on Mar 9, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's hundreds of other warm bodies out there dying to get a chance.
Bring one of them in. You know what you get with Preston. Not much. Find someone with that hunger and desire. Hell, find a former tight end with horrible business sense. It worked once already.
by twoeightnine on Mar 9, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
300+ votes and 20ish comments...
I’ll need to link Hoop Girl to the post jump part of the post to lure people into reading my drivel.
by Ron From NM on Mar 9, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It will probably get deleted.
You can’t let T.O. use your man berries as a chew toy!
by Joe P. on Mar 9, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice work Ron, REC
And this Bills fan wants Duke, Robinson that is!
Smokey Robinson’s nephew to boot!
by freddyjj on Mar 9, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After all, if a guy has proven that he’s incapable of starting, what’s the point of having him on the roster?
So, so true
There is only one NFL football team that plays in New York state...and Canada?
by MonStarr_716 on Mar 9, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am off the Preston as a backup train.
I was on… no more!
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