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Seven ways Donahoe destroyed the Bills

In 2001, after trying to come to an agreement on an extension, team owner Ralph Wilson realized that John Butler had no interest in staying on as the General Manager of the Buffalo Bills. As a result, Wilson chose to fire Butler and announced his retirement as President of the organization. He then handed the reins of his franchise to Tom Donahoe, who would act as team President and General Manager. Donahoe would then make several decisions that would set this once storied franchise back for nearly a decade.

Mistake #1: Hiring Gregg Williams as head coach
Before Donahoe would accept the job at One Bills Drive, one of two events took place; either Donahoe informed Ralph Wilson that he didn't want to take over with lame duck coach Wade Phillips in place, or Wilson decided he'd had enough of Phillips' stubbornness when it came to redoing his staff.  The end result was that Wade Phillips was fired, Tom Donahoe was hired, and his first move as President/GM would be to find a new head coach. Donahoe compiled a list of candidates that included Baltimore Ravens defensive coordinator Marvin Lewis, New York Giants defensive coordinator John Fox, and Tennessee Titans defensive coordinator Gregg Williams. Williams' preparedness and terrific interview impressed Donahoe enough that he gave Williams the job. One has to wonder where this organization would be right now if John Fox or Marvin Lewis had been given the job. Fox and Lewis reportedly gave a poor interview due to having to coach their respected defenses in Super Bowl XXXV.

Mistake #2: Switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3

Donahoe's next mistake was allowing Williams to change the team's base defense from the 3-4 style they had run for years under Marv Levy and Wade Phillips to a 4-3 style that Williams preferred from his days with the Titans. At the time, the 3-4 defense was losing popularity. The NFL is a copy cat league, and when one team finds something that works, others tend to try and follow suit. In my opinion, teams that find something that works, stick with it through thick and thin, and ignore what everyone else is doing are the franchises that consistently have the most success.  Prior to 2001, the Bills' defense was one of the best in the league and performed as follows:

1998 - #6 overall ranking, 293.2ypg (#14 vs. pass 199.9 ypg / #5 vs. rush 93.3ypg)
1999 - #1 overall ranking, 252.8ypg (#1 vs. pass 167.2ypg / #4 vs. rush 85.6ypg)
2000 - #3 overall ranking, 276.6ypg (#4 vs. pass 179.2ypg / #6 vs. rush 97.4ypg)

In 2001, the first year under Williams after changing over to the 4-3:

2001 - #21 overall ranking, 330.8ypg (#13 vs. pass 197.4ypg / #16 vs. rush 133.3ypg)

Star-divide

Mistake #3: Letting DT Pat Williams leave
In Williams and Donahoe's defense, the Bills did rebound to become the #2 ranked defense in both 2003 and 2004, but it then plummeted to number 29 overall in 2005. Part of that rapid decline has to be attributed to the loss of defensive tackle Pat Williams. After the end of the 2004 campaign, Donahoe had a chance to re-sign Pat Williams for the paltry sum of $4 million per year - an amount that, by today's standards for a Pro Bowl-caliber defensive tackle, would be seen as a bargain. Donahoe, however, felt that Williams had little to nothing left in the tank and allowed him to walk. And walk he did - to the Minnesota Vikings, where he has been selected to three consecutive Pro Bowls (2006-2008) and has been named a second team All-Pro (2007). Meanwhile, Donahoe made several more draft day gaffes, including the drafting of Chris Kelsay while Osi Umenyiora and Cory Redding were still on the board, and trading up in the second round of the 2002 draft to select Ryan Denney. But all of that pales in comparison to his handling of the offensive line.

Mistake #4: Neglecting the offensive line
Through the years, Bills fans have endured the struggle that has been the Bills' attempt to piece together a cohesive offensive line. Names like Mike Gandy, Bennie Anderson, Chris Villarrial, Marcus Price, and Mike Pucillo have brought nightmares to Bills fans. Rather than try to fix the line through the draft, Donahoe would take fliers on late round linemen like Dylan MacFarland, Ben Sobieski, and Justin Geisinger. When Donahoe did try to draft the big offensive tackle this team has needed for years, he struck out by selecting a player considered by many to be the fourth biggest draft bust of all time, in the form of Mike Williams.

Mistake #5: Dancing the QB Shuffle
Not all of the team's struggles to protect the quarterback have fallen on the offensive line's shoulders, however. Part of the blame has to fall on the shoulders of the quarterbacks themselves. After his first year on the job, Donahoe quickly realized that Rob Johnson and Alex Van Pelt were not the answer to the quarterback situation in Buffalo, so he traded a first round draft choice to the New England Patriots for QB Drew Bledsoe.  After Bledsoe burst onto the scene, his star tailed off and the Bills traded up in the 2004 draft so they could select J.P. Losman. Three years after dealing a first round pick for Bledsoe, the Bills cut him, handing the reins of the franchise to Losman. However, after Losman struggled, he was benched in favor of journeyman Kelly Holcomb. Despite investing two first round draft choices into the quarterback position over a five year span, the Bills still didn't have the QB of the future.

Mistake #6: Replacing Gregg with Mike Mularkey
After the 2003 season, Donahoe fired Williams. Knowing that he needed to hit a home run, Donahoe reached back to his Pittsburgh roots and tabbed then-Steelers offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey for the job. While I can't rip the job that Mularkey did as head coach for the Bills simply because he quit before it was finished, I can, however, say that when coaches like Lovie Smith were also available to be hired, this qualifies as another Donahoe blunder.

Mistake #7: Choosing Tom Clements over Ken Whisenhunt
Then-Steelers coach Bill Cowher told Mularkey that he could have his pick from the Steelers staff to be his offensive coordinator - either QB coach Tom Clements, or tight ends coach Ken Whisenhunt. Mularkey wanted Whisenhunt, but Donahoe, who apparently thought he knew the Steelers staff better then a man who was a part of said staff for eight years, overruled Mularkey and took Clements instead. Over the next three years, the Steelers would never have an overall offensive ranking below 16.  Meanwhile, the Bills never got above 25. Whisenhunt is now the head coach of the Arizona Cardinals, and took one of the most explosive offenses in the NFL to the Super Bowl last year. Tom Clements is now the Green Bay Packers' quarterbacks coach.

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While the Bills did have their opportunities to make the playoffs in the Donahoe era - most notably the 2004 season that ended by losing to the Pittsburgh Steelers' second string players - the plethora of horrible decisions and poor drafting set this team back much longer. I can't blame him for everything that has gone wrong over the last decade, and of course the three 7-9 seasons turned in by Dick Jauron are not his fault, although he should shoulder some of the blame for the first one at least. But one has to wonder where this team would be if John Fox was the head coach of a team running a 3-4 defense with Pat Williams as its anchor and Osi Umenyiora on the outside.

I used some pages from Wikipedia to refresh my memory:

Tom Donahoe, Buffalo Bills, Buffalo Bills (greater depth), and this story as well.

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Man, I never knew about #7. That was a pretty dumb decision, not just in hindsight, but because of the way Donahoe went about it.

by thefourwinds on Apr 1, 2009 6:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't the worst game i've ever witnessed

but I witnessed first hand that pathetic loss against the Steelers backups and knew the team was in one huge mess.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 1, 2009 7:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bravo!!

I would add firing Rusty Jones to that list.

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by BillsNYC on Apr 1, 2009 7:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well done sireric!

But if Jauron gets some what of a pass for the mess the Bills are, then Mularkey should get amnesty. Both Mularkey and Kevin Gilbride were offensive genius’ before they came to the Bills. I was tick when Mularkey left too, but in hindsight, he knew the Bills were a huge mess and not likely to improve soon. The Bills had already stunted his career, much the same way he might have stunted Loseman’s. I don’t blame him for wanting out.

"In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone? ...the Great Depression, passed the... Anyone? Anyone? The tariff bill? The Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act? Which, anyone? Raised or lowered? ...raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression. Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. "Voodoo" economics." - Ben Stein

by Joe P. on Apr 1, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well Gilbride was an offensive genius except for that one playoff game where he was up by 30 points and called for more passes than runs which lost him the game.

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by BillsNYC on Apr 1, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gilbride is the reason nearly every Bills fan sighs when the run game becomes secondary – PTGSD.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 1, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even more Painful

Wow thats a painful list. Its more painful when you consider other personnel in the BIlls that could be GM or even VP or President of the BIlls now….(thought bubble)

A.J. Smith
Scout and director of the Bills Pro Personnel, with the organization from 1987 -2000. He’s VP and General Manager of the Chargers now. They make the playoffs every year now.

Bill Polian
The best GM the Bills ever had. Yeah, lets fire him (1993).

by south123 on Apr 1, 2009 8:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

That AFC West has been about as competitive as a Nilla Wafer in salt water.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 1, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn’t sound very tastey. He does have have a nose for good talent in players. Maybe not the best coaches.

by south123 on Apr 1, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AJ Smith left with Butler.

He was his protege. With Butler gone, Smith was gone.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 1, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that if Ralph had decided to give A.J. the GM job, he would have stayed. I think that A.J. thought he deserved it, and that is why he left.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 1, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting thought.

If Butler was so P.O.ed he wanted to leave Buffalo, why wouldn’t his assistant also be P.O.ed? Was it a personal thing or a power thing between Butler and Ralph?

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 1, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That I don’t remember.

I think (and could be wrong) that Butler felt that he was one of the top executives in the NFL and he should be paid like one. Ralph disagreed.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 1, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you want to read

how the Butler thing went down go to this story by Don Banks

To show you how classy Ralph Wilson is, he fired the dude on the phone after 14 years of service. That was the demise of the Bills. I recapped the Donahoe era and more in my Thoughts prior to the opening of Free Agency if any of you care you can read all about it as I recap the Bills history since 1999

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by MARVelous on Apr 1, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The bottom

line on Donahoe’s reign was he never found the QB that Ralph and he could agree upon, and they treated it like a fantasy team. Rob Johnson, Doug Flutie, Drew Bledsoe. Some pretty good arms, but such a dysfunctional owner/GM. I’ll blame Ralph for the Flutie/Johnson debacle, as Ralph admittedly loved Johnson. Changing defenses wasn’t Donahoe’s fault and Greg Williams was a great defensive mind who knew what he was doing so I had zero issues with that. My biggest beefs with Donahoe, always have and always will be that he had no clue how to BUILD a team. When you ignore the OL for 6 years, you go from being a talent evaluator respected in league circles, to an idiot with no job.

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by MARVelous on Apr 1, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Donahoe cut Flutie

I agree on Gregg Williams. He turned out to be a lousy head coach, but at the time, I think it was very, very reasonable to expect that he might have been the best of the lot. And that said, if he had Carson Palmer, I don’t really think he would have done much worse than the single, one-and-done playoff run of Marvin Lewis in Cincy.

John Fox was the choice, though.

by silvermike on Apr 2, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

8 years later, and there’s still some fuss about Marvin Lewis?

How long has that defensive “genius” had to make that side of the ball respectable for them?

by Make a play Whitner on Apr 2, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn’t pining for Lewis, but I think it is hard to argue that Lewis has been better then Williams was.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 2, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How true it is?

When you put it all together like this, you can see the progression of ill advised decisions that have kept the Bills a Mediocre team and franchise during this time. Good refresher. Now the Key is not to do it again??

by Rocco58 on Apr 1, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So far they’ve made relatively sound decisions like keeping Jauron at least for another year. I always thought it was funny that people were actively campaigning around here for Jauron’s head just to expose the Bills’ to another round of Wilson GM / Head Coach hunting. I think we’re in an OK place right now. Consistency is what wins. Sure, a year or two down the line Jauron may need to be fired, but in a year or two the base foundation of the organization will be just that much stronger. Man, I can’t wait for training camp to start!

by syrbillsfan on Apr 1, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they kept Jauron around for two reasons; money and they need a scape goat for next season

by gjv on Apr 1, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

Do you think that Dick Jauron could outcoach anyone in the AFC?

by silvermike on Apr 2, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tom Cable guy

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by Kurupt on Apr 2, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josh McDaniels....

Talk about not handling players…..

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 2, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well he’s never coached a game, so I can’t include him quite yet.

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by Kurupt on Apr 2, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just meant how he has handled this whole thing since he was hired.

He may very well be a great gameday coach but he isn’t that great at handling players…. somewhat like the anti-Jauron. Jauron know how to talk to players and be respectful but has made some mistakes on gameday.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 2, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3 as such a big gaffe.

Every defense works in the NFL if you run it well. Williams didn’t know anythign about the 3-4 so if he wants to run a 4-3 he can. Williams built his reputation on it and it has done good things for him.

Everything else… yeah pretty bad.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 1, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

While it’s true that switching to a 4-3 isn’t a bad idea, the mere transition process was detrimental. They essentially had to re-build their entire front 7.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 1, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problem is it was never built, and they’re still trying to build it.

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by BillsNYC on Apr 1, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The reason that a 3-4 is so appealing, is because good DTs are hard to come by and LBs are easier to come by.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 1, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then how come the Bills can’t ever find three good linebackers at once?

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by BillsNYC on Apr 1, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

we don’t have a front seven.

by gjv on Apr 1, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s a good point but as Eric even said by 2003 the defense was ranked #2.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 1, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Dick LeBeau effect

Who’s choice was it to keep Jerry Gray over LeBeau? Donahoe’s, Mularkey’s, or LeBeau’s himself?

by silvermike on Apr 2, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LeBeau's

He went back to Pittsburgh when their D Coordinator job opened up. BTW – they stayed number 2 the next year with Jerry Gray running the show. (LeBeau was only an assistant head coach here. He was never the D Coordinator by title.)

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 2, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyday I wish they would go back to a 3-4, it wouldn’t be too hard to transition with all these players in the draft that can play DE and OLB. But it won’t happen until there is a major shake up in the coaching

by Khours on Apr 2, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Donahue

A lot of the blame too falls on the shoulders of the owner. After firing Donahue, Ralph should have replaced him with a real football man to run the organization. This problem goes back much farther when Ralph let Polian get away and then later ran Butler off. Ralph needs to take a seat and bring in a football man in to run the organization. Not a beancounter or marketing guy. Another thing if you listen to Chris Mortensen of ESPN talk crap about the Bills all the time. That is because he is out there defending his little buddy, Tom Donahue and trying help him find another gig with a NFL team.

by azbillsfan on Apr 1, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why no go back to the 34

I know switching our defense isn’t what this team needs right now. But I think the Bills have some pieces that transfer nicely. First of all I think our OLB’s could be Schobel and Mitchell. Schobel is older but he can rush the passer and isnt a huge DE like this defence usually requires. Kelsay and Denney on the ends, they might be a little undersized but since the OLBs get the majority of the sacks they can do what they do best, stuff the run and record 4 to 5 sacks a year. Also Kyle Williams could switch to end, this way he could stop trying to bulk up every year and rely on his speed (for a DT). Poz could play the middle and we could find someone in the second round of this years draft to either play inside, or outside and have Mitchell slide in. Our first round choice would have to be BJ Raji, unless they think his running mate at BC could do the job, in that case they could drat a LB in the first. Our corners are solid and our safeties fit nicely into this style D. I don’t think this will happen anytime in the near future but the Bills are closer than you think to they would be to making a smooth transition.

by louiethegent on Apr 1, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like your thinking and have argued for it in the past. Schobel could be our Bryce Paup reincarnated in a 3-4 scheme. I wouldn’t trust Denny or Kelsay on the end in a 3-4…or 4-3…or 8-5 or any other damn combination. Also, the Bills would do better putting Stroud on the end and finding a fat hole plugger (ala Ted Washington) in the middle.

This won’t happen in 2009 as Jauron has much to prove and wouldn’t survive the transition. Besides, 4-3 or 3-4, the defense isn’t the main reason why the team sucked so bad last year anyway.

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by NJBill on Apr 1, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When I did a search for
fat hole plugger

Ted’s name did not come up :-)

"In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone? ...the Great Depression, passed the... Anyone? Anyone? The tariff bill? The Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act? Which, anyone? Raised or lowered? ...raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression. Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. "Voodoo" economics." - Ben Stein

by Joe P. on Apr 1, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to search for former fat hole plugger. The man finally retired after 17 seasons.

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by NJBill on Apr 1, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!!!

"In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone? ...the Great Depression, passed the... Anyone? Anyone? The tariff bill? The Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act? Which, anyone? Raised or lowered? ...raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression. Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. "Voodoo" economics." - Ben Stein

by Joe P. on Apr 1, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Donahue was a disaster but I don't believe the FO is any better today

We still have not built an O-line or D-line. As a matter of fact, one could argue that our O-line will be worse next season. Our front seven on defense can only make tackles eight yards into our secondary, not to mention that our secondary would think they have died and gone to football heaven if our front seven got to the QB in less than 15 seconds. To make matters worse we let three starters go and replace them with three back ups. Of course we did make a PR splash by signing T.O. I’m glad Donahue is gone, but so far I don’t see that the Bills have a better FO.

by gjv on Apr 1, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Never said that the current system is any better. I simply said that Donahoe was terrible.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 1, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

simply said that Donahoe was terrible.

he’s the master of disaster

Anyway Kenny, Yellow MegaMan is only $8.95, so maybe your mom can put it on layaway and make payments for a year or two

by J2 on Apr 1, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Will there also be a list for why Levy did nothing to improve the situation?

At least with Donahoe we had a winning season and a top 5 D for a few years. Now what do we have? Lots of 7-9 seasons with terrible defenses and offenses….

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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good point. It appears Levy was a very good coach but not talented in building a team. He needed a Polian.

by gjv on Apr 1, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t read everyones comments but…

Yeah – I was very disapointed that Phillips was let go. I almost cried (not really) when Williams was let go as well. Just didn’t make sense to me – still doesn’t make sense.

I think Ralph thought he was doing the right thing in hiring Donahoe – but it just backfired in the worst way. And yes, definately set this franchise back 10 years. That’s just wrong and pathetic – very very tough to overcome.

I hope this is the last time I ever have to write anything in regards to Donahoe and the Bills other than when we are perennial playoff contenders and remember those days as the dark ages of BB football (since i’ve been watching in ’88)

Anyway Kenny, Yellow MegaMan is only $8.95, so maybe your mom can put it on layaway and make payments for a year or two

by J2 on Apr 1, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gregg Williams went 3-13 in 2001.

That’s why he wasn’t retained. He had a 35% winning percentage in his three seasons.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 1, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

na MRW – Pat Williams.

don’t care about Greg

Anyway Kenny, Yellow MegaMan is only $8.95, so maybe your mom can put it on layaway and make payments for a year or two

by J2 on Apr 1, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I get it...

Yeah Pat Williams was a pity to let go.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 1, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The mid 80’s were pretty bad as well…back to back 2-14 seasons and coaches who make Williams and Mularkey look like Vince Lombardi. Have faith, it will turn around and we’ll have some great years before falling into the sh*tter again.

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by NJBill on Apr 1, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some random Donahoe memories...

Evidently began his tenure in salary cap prison? HaHa.

Pretty good first draft in Buffalo yielded Nate Clements, Travis Henry, and Aaron Schobel. Passed on Florida offensive tackle Kenyatta Walker at #14, traded down and picked Clements at #21 and used the pick acquired in the trade to select the Ultimate Impregnator, Henry.

Donahoe essentially turned Peerless Price into Willis McGahee, which eventually turned into Trent Edwards. The Bills got Price back, anyway.

Evidently Pat Williams was washed up? HaHa. Antoine Winfield, too? The money that could have been used for Winfield was spent on Lawyer Milloy 1 week prior to defeating the Patriots on opening day in 2003.

Donahoe was somewhat committed to building the offensive line. Not only did he pick Mike Williams at #4 overall, but also picked Jonas Jennings in the 3rd round in the 2003 draft. Jennings played decent in Buffalo, worse in San Francisco, and turned out to be a great “non-resigning/extension”.

“The offensive line might be the position where coaching is more of a significant factor than any position," Bills general manager Tom Donahoe says. "I think you need a premium offensive line coach, the guy who can take down-the-line guys and free agents and develop them into pretty good pros." ”http://www.sportingnews.com/experts/dan-pompei/20050328b.html" target="_blank">http://www.sportingnews.com/experts/dan-pompei/20050328b.html

“We have decided today to not renew Gregg Williams’ contract. He is obviously free to look for another position and we begin our search for a new head coach.”
“I would like to publicly thank Gregg and Gregg’s family for all that they contributed to our organization. Gregg came here under very difficult circumstances and handled things with great class and great dignity all the way through some very difficult times. I would also like to apologize to Gregg. I think some of the personal criticisms that were leveled at him were unfair.” http://www.angelfire.com/nv/billsthunder/WILLIAMSFIRED.html

“We felt that we had a chance to get an outstanding football player in Willis McGahee and true to our philosophy we took the best player that was on the board. He is one of the best players in the draft.”
“In the last couple of days in our discussions we’ve talked extensively about McGahee, he was going to be in the mix regardless of who was on the board. That was how much we felt about his talents.”

“We are very honored to have Mike Mularkey as our coach. I think it’s obvious to people who follow professional football what individuals think of Mike Mularkey. He has been a candidate for numerous jobs over the past few years and certainly was an outstanding candidate for this job. In talking to Mike and looking at our position here with the Buffalo Bills, there are certain things that stood out about Mike in comparison to the other candidates. I think a couple of those things were leadership, which is very important to be a head coach, the ability to teach and to communicate. Mike will bring toughness to our team, which we feel we need. Particularly, mental toughness. Maybe the most important thing is Mike’s ability to understand players and to understand players’ abilities, which is so essential in the game today.”

“Football has changed, as we all know, because of the salary cap and free agency. Your team changes from year to year. Coaches have to be on top of that and have to recognize that. That’s always been one of Mike’s strengths.”
“I could go on forever about what I think about Mike Mularkey. I think he’s a very special person and I think he’s going to be a very special coach in this league and for the Buffalo Bills.” www.buffalobills.com/news/index.cfm?cont_id=224734

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 1, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

outstanding read sireric

This was an excellent story and really shows the damage one man can do. I would add a couple more to your list, including one that continues to plague this team.

Mistake #8: Donahoe takes a page out of Soviet era tactics to repress freedom of speech and confiscates negative (but accurate) signs from fans at the stadium. Although it hasn’t been proven in a court of law, I believe these dissenters were sent to gulags, shot or both.

Mistake #9 (by Ralph Wilson): Mistakes 1-8 cause the Ralph Wilson to rethink his strategy of entrusting the franchise in a single individual. Vowing to never make the same mistake again, he hires Levy, who clearly doesn’t ‘t want to be a GM at this stage in his life to repair the damage. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but after Levy, Wilson then throws the baby out with the bathwater and restructures the front office, splitting responsibilities and putting a marketing guy in the COO role. Donahoe ruined any chance of this team having a normal front office structure while Wilson is alive. Maybe Brandon and the triad can get the job done…but so far we’ve seen nothing but 7-9.

"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban

by NJBill on Apr 1, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

#1 - Not addressing either line!

- I can agree with almost every reason, but I still think that Donohoe’s drafts were the worst I have ever witnessed. When he drafter McGahee and already had Travis “9 children” Henry, as well as the trade for JP “Another Surfer QB Bust like Rob Johnson” Losman, I soon realized he should be selling cars. His first year was the only good draft he had, when he got Henry, Schoebel, and Jennings, etc.
- Look at all of the good teams in the NFL, especially the Giants – They draft and sign linemen on both sides of the ball. You win in the trenches, unfortunately Donohoe was always in some dark closet clueless.

by BuffaloWhiner on Apr 1, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can’t kill him for drafting Willis, look at what a head case Henry turned into. I didn’t like the pick at the time, but if Willis had a better character that would have been a great pick in hindsight.

Picking Josh Reed and Roscoe Parrish with second rounders when help on the line was a must, were bad choices. I have also pointed out the Sobieski pick as being especially repugnant when you realize who was still on the board. (Tony Pashos, David Diehl, and Dan Koppen)

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 1, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was talking about this with the Colts blogger the other day...

Willis McGahee played very, very well for the Bills. He has played well ever since entering the league. He averaged 1100 years a season with the Bills. It was a value pick big time at number 20-something. McGahee was a top 5 pick before blowing out absolutely destroying his knee. He averaged more than ten TDs while in Buffalo, too.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 1, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Willis was a good pick, he just didn’t want to play for Buffalo.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 1, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 1, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

13+6+5/3 doesn’t equal more than 10.

by twoeightnine on Apr 2, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right.

I was flying off the handle. He had 13 in his first year. The point is still valid that he was a very good player in Buffalo.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 2, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can Donahoe be criticized for not building the lines through the draft, while the current regime isn’t even mentioned? It kind of irks me that Donahoe gets so much crap for not building the lines, while he did more trying to build it with youth than our current leadership has. At least he tried bringing in more high end talent….Fat Mike, Jennings, Schobel, Kelsay, Denney all off the top of my head were first day picks. In 3 years, we’ve seen McCargo and Ellis as the only two, and one was a major question mark and the other an unproven, maybe unmotivated 3rd rounder. You can say we’ve found some later round guys now, which I agree with, but there’s no arguing not going after trench guys in earlier rounds.

I just can’t criticize Donahoe for not trying to build the lines through the draft. We can criticize who he ended up bringing in, but at least he tried, unlike what we’ve been seeing now….

~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think you can say that he did a good job of building the lines, I also never said that this FO hasn’t been worse than TD.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 1, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I said was he tried

and did more than our current regime in trying to solve our woes. Nothing more than that. I just find it that some criticize Donahoe non-stop, while the current group has been just as bad.

~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great writing

Wow, great strory. I especially like the point regarding switching from a 3-4 to a 4-3. Defense is about personel. Buffalo used a 4-3 defence(well 46 defence to be more accurate) with a 3-4 base personel. That will never work.

Also, did Tommy-boy trade a first round draft pick for Rob Johnson?

Why not Bobby April?

by nickdaniels on Apr 1, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, did Tommy-boy trade a first round draft pick for Rob Johnson?

That was John Butler. He sent a 1st and a 4th to the Jags for Johnson.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 1, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We were one of the top 4-3 D’s in football for a number of Donahoe’s years. Even though he brought in a coach who switched D’s, at least he got some results out of it.

~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 1, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dick LeBeau effect

Donahoe’s best move, probably, was hiring him – he gave us a top-5 D. But after he left, we fell back down in the ranks.

by silvermike on Apr 2, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not necessarily

We were middle of the pack before he arrived, and the year after his one year stay we were still #2 in the league….

~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 2, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Jerry Gray was the "Defensive Coordinator" both years....

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 2, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had no problem with the switch from a 3-4 to a 4-3. The personnel they had in 2001 (and to a lesser extent 2002) would have been run over in any base formation. It was funny watching Williams try to employ a 46 defense against Peyton Manning though…that was one of the uglier Bills games ever.

One of the big disasters of the Williams/Donahoe tenure, at least in my opinion, was the way they rushed Moulds back from that torn groin in 2003. He was never the same explosive receiver afterward. He might not have been even if he had been treated properly medically, but it was a desperation move to get him back into the lineup so soon when it was clear he had nothing.

Moulds played 39 games as a Bill after that injury, and had 3 one-hundred yard outings. In the 39 games before the injury, he crossed 100 yards 8 times.

by Make a play Whitner on Apr 1, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What's sad

You can go right down the list again:

1.) Hiring Dick Jauron as Head Coach. Tom Coughlin was out there, and I think I remember that the Bills interviewed him. Imagine if…

2.) Switching from the 4-3 base to the Tampa-2. Three years of transition and no results.

3.) Letting London Fletcher leave. It’s easier to get a LB than a DT, but this team is sorely missing him up the middle, while he continues to thrive in DC. Can anyone on this team figure out when someone ISN’T over the hill?

4.) Neglecting the defensive line. Flipped from the Donahoe era, the Bills invested a big first round pick in a total (so far) bust, John McCargo, while saving the big DL bucks for Aaron Schobel and Chris Kelsay. Blech. Stroud is the one exception.

5.) QB Shuffle: starting Losman and passing on Cutler, then benching him for Edwards, bt not quite having the gall to go through with it in time. Then there was a bit of dancing with a vague injury this season. Also, remember when Craig Nall was going to be our QB of the future?

6.) Replacing Fairchild with Schonert. Another disastrous coaching move. ANd at the same time of course, keeping DJ.

and

7.) Well, I don’t know the specifics here enough to really say much. But I will say that as Tampa-2 DCs go, the Bills went with Fewell when Mike Tomlin was out there.

by silvermike on Apr 2, 2009 12:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3.) Letting London Fletcher leave. It’s easier to get a LB than a DT, but this team is sorely missing him up the middle, while he continues to thrive in DC. Can anyone on this team figure out when someone ISN’T over the hill?

Yup. He’s still making tackles 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

4.) Neglecting the defensive line. Flipped from the Donahoe era, the Bills invested a big first round pick in a total (so far) bust, John McCargo, while saving the big DL bucks for Aaron Schobel and Chris Kelsay. Blech. Stroud is the one exception.
5.) QB Shuffle: starting Losman and passing on Cutler, then benching him for Edwards, bt not quite having the gall to go through with it in time. Then there was a bit of dancing with a vague injury this season. Also, remember when Craig Nall was going to be our QB of the future?

Edwards has been almost or just as good as Cutler over their respective careers. Craig Nall was never the QB of the future. He may have been the backup QB of the future.
Kyle Williams has been great for us, too.

6.) Replacing Fairchild with Schonert. Another disastrous coaching move. ANd at the same time of course, keeping DJ.

Every single offenseive number went up last year under Schonert. Fairchild was awful and got a head coaching job and a bowl win out of it.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 2, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Kyle Williams bit should be under the defensive line bit.

Kyle Williams has been great for us, too. Don’t say that Stroud is the only exception.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 2, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

4.) Neglecting the defensive line. Flipped from the Donahoe era, the Bills invested a big first round pick in a total (so far) bust, John McCargo, while saving the big DL bucks for Aaron Schobel and Chris Kelsay. Blech. Stroud is the one exception.

McCargo does look like a bust, but don’t forget drafting Kyle Williams, who has been a pretty solid player since being drafted.

6.) Replacing Fairchild with Schonert. Another disastrous coaching move. ANd at the same time of course, keeping DJ.

A lot of people complain about Schonert, and rightfully so, but I think the comparisons to Fairchild are unfair. Turk was in his first year as OC last year and the offense saw an almost 50% increase in touchdowns under his play calling. I’m not saying that Turk was good, but he is obviously better then Fairchild.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 2, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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