Thinking outside the box, re: Jason Peters
Julius Peppes (www.brettfarrey.com)
With Tim Graham's most recent blog post highlighting the quandary Buffalo finds itself in, I thought it would be a good idea to throw out ideas that could help the Bills salvage this situation. I want to make this clear: I am not advocating for these certain things to happen, nor am I saying that they are likely. Approach this more as a "think tank." Somewhere to throw out and discuss creative ways to get Buffalo out of this mess.
1. Creative Idea Number 1: A three-way trade involving Julius Peppers
It appears that one of the biggest sticking points with respect to trading Peters to another team is that most other teams are skeptical about dealing multiple high picks to Buffalo for a player they know wants to be the highest paid left tackle in football and has questionable motivation/desire. So, in attempting to solve this problem, why not try to lessen the other team's burden:
Proposal A: A three-way trade, involving Jason Peters, Julius Peppers and a third team. Peppers would go to Buffalo, Peters to Team X and a first round pick to Carolina. Buffalo could also swap thirds with Carolina to sweeten the pot (75th for 93rd, under 100 point difference).
Why Buffalo would do it:
- They'd get a Pro-Bowl caliber DE and the defensive play-maker they desire
- They would keep the #11 pick so that they can use it on Peters replacement.
- They would still have their second and third round picks for other needs (e.g. LB and TE)
Why Carolina would do it:
- They would not have to keep Peppers on the books in '09 for $16.5 million, the cost of his one-year tender.
- They would get a first round pick, something they are currently lacking (Carolina's first pick doesn't come until late in the second round - the 59th overall pick)
- In addition to getting a first round pick, they would get to move up in the third, helping get a deal done that might not otherwise work (i.e. Carolina may be unwilling to move Peppers for only a first round pick, but add into a swap to move up and it may be enough to get it done).
Why the other team would do it:
- They'd get a Pro Bowl left tackle for a first round pick
- They wouldn't have to give up multiple picks
2. Creative Idea Number 2: Making one final revocable offer
Buffalo puts a new "offer" on the table sometime within the next week with the understanding that (a) this is the final offer of the off-season - there will be no other offer from the club until at least the conclusion of the '09-'10 season; (b) that the offer has an expiration date, 48 hours before the start of the draft; (c) that if Peters refuses the offer and Buffalo can not get the right trade, he will be playing (or sitting out - his choice) the 2009 season under his current deal.
This would do a few things for the club:
- It gives Peters one last chance to pull his head out of his a*s (however, unlikely)
- It gives Peters clear options and a deadline to make a decision
- It gives Buffalo one last opportunity to get a deal done
- It gives Buffalo a "plan" and an outline to execute it. They will know, one way or another, but the time the offer expires whether they are drafting a LT in this year's draft.
3. Creative Idea Number 3: See here
That's all I have right now. What do you all think? Anybody have any other ideas about out to change this situation for the better? Holes/validity in the proposals above? Lets here it Buffalo fans, help your team figure out a way to deal with Jason Peters. Think outside the box!
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Peppers deal impossible...
…because Peppers’ refuses to play in a 4-3 defense.
by fami1y_first on Apr 10, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i’m sure he’d get over it – but do you have a link? I didn’t hear that…
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on Apr 10, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
um...
…that’s why he’s demanding a trade from the Panthers; because he believes he has reached his full potential in a 4-3 scheme, so he wants to go to a team that utilizes the 3-4.
by fami1y_first on Apr 10, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn’t know that – thanks for the heads up
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on Apr 10, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that and Jordan Gross, their Pro-Bowl LT was just resigned to a big fat deal
That would be a bit of a problem as well.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 10, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, mis-read the trade, thought we were giving Peters to Carolina
Wow, need to get my glasses checked out me thinks.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 10, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like going 2 then 1. I think that would be a good way to do it. Put the “final” offer on the table – while exploring option 1 with other teams. If he doesn’t accept and we can pull of a trade like that it would be fine for me.
I didn’t realize that Carolina didn’t pick until #59 – thats enticing
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on Apr 10, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Three way trade
Peppers does not want anything to do with Buffalo. He has made it clear that he wants out of Carolina and wants to play for a team that has a 3-4 Defense.
by Bob on Apr 10, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes and no...
YES, he wants to play for a 3-4 team, he has made that clear… but he has never ruled out returning to Carolina (which plays the 4-3) or being traded to another team that plays the 4-3. It’s a preference, not a demand.
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 10, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Option 1 is really thinking creatively
familyfirst is right, Peppers has said that he wants to play OLB in a 3-4 but in the end I dont think it matters what Peppers wants. If we give him a nice contract he’ll play.
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
by poz on Apr 10, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but overall...
…I like you’re thinking with the Peters situation. It is resourceful and creative!
by fami1y_first on Apr 10, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way the Bills pay him anywhere near 16 million, so why wouldn’t he just stay with Carolina and in a system he’s familiar with?
"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 10, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So who would mystery team X be though
Most teams who would like Peters are in the NFC, I think it would be hard to convince Carolina to let him go to a team they may face mutliple times.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 10, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Insanity with this guy (JP)!
Peter piper picked a peck of peppers.
"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 10, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol – did you see abayarde’s peter piper reference for JP? it was great – until i posted and lost both our comments…..meh
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on Apr 10, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t see it. But for me, I chose the high road with Peters and Peppers. The alternative would be too easy!
"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 10, 2009 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets be honest.....
Bills will not take on Peppers Salary. I just hope Peppers does not go the Pats
by PWilliams on Apr 10, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. I mean if the Bills wont pay Peters 12M per year, why would they do so for Peppers?
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 11, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A three way trade with Peppers wouldn’t work logistically. A team would still be essentially giving picks to Carolina in exchange for Peters. So if Buffalo can’t get good enough picks to deal him, how does Carolina get the picks that they feel Peppers is worth? It’s actually a move backwards for the Panthers because Peppers probably has more value than Peters by a decent margin.
I like the concept of an ultimatum, although I doubt it changes anything. Buffalo is pretty much out of options that don’t include doing things they have already decided they won’t do or trading him so it is definitely worth trying.
I just can’t see enough potential reward with your third scenario. I don’t see how the Peters situation is any more likely to be resolved by drafting his replacement, not caving to his demands and forcing him to play another year with his current contract. So if Peters isn’t any more likely to sign a contract and if his trade value is more likely to go down than to go up (which I strongly believe), the risks involved make trading him for less than he is worth a smarter move.
by kaisertown on Apr 10, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
true
I agree with most of what you’re saying, except that you missed the part where it would cost the other team less in picks to get Peters. The idea being, they have Buffalo there willing to swap picks w/ Carolina to sweaten the pot for them. I think money would be a much bigger issue than compensation – a deal breaker probably.
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 10, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it’s still like trading whatever draft picks we can get for Peters and throwing in what would equate to a good fourth rounder for Peppers. So I think you still have the same problem where if Buffalo can’t get enough draft pick compensation to trade Peters in a classic two team trade, then how is Carolina going to get enough to trade a better commodity in Peppers with or without swapping thirds.
If you look at the three commidities that would be trading teams (Peters, Peppers, and the draft picks that you can get for Peters), I don’t think Carolina would be willing to give up the most valuable of the bunch to get back what is probably the least valuable of the bunch. You also have to consider that Carolina might be poised to make a run and I think they would need to get a better return on Peppers to make it worth dealing him than Buffalo would for Peters.
And your right that money is a huge deal too. I bet that Buffalo is about as willing to give Peppers the contract he wants as they are to give Peters the contract that he is looking for.
by kaisertown on Apr 10, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Creativity people!! I want to here YOUR ideas!
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 10, 2009 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Want mine? Here you go
We put a final offer on the table, and tell Peters “Take it or leave it, if you leave it, Vinny will be visiting you later with a friend named Guido and you’ll never play football again.”
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 10, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHA!!
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
by poz on Apr 10, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your thinking. Here are some more ideas..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jimCb1lpdSI&feature=related
My family was so poor that if I hadn't been born a boy, I wouldn't of
had anything to play with. - Rodney Dangerfield
by Joe P. on Apr 10, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOVE IT!!!!
GOt the connections for that WA?
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 11, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just sucks having to draft a LT in the first round
It seems like a step back in many ways
The Bills CAN win every game
by killascript on Apr 10, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two steps forward and one step backward should still keep the Bills moving in the right direction.....
unless they’re walking the wrong way ?
My family was so poor that if I hadn't been born a boy, I wouldn't of
had anything to play with. - Rodney Dangerfield
by Joe P. on Apr 10, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm convinced we don't spend enough to win
Sure we brought in T.O. but we are looking to clear out dockery and peters to do that…
if we don’t address the o-line we are screwed b/c as is…it’s not good enough (and thats with peters)
by tiimbitz4786 on Apr 10, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the TO signing has anything to do with the Peters' contract situation
I think that if Peters was willing to sign for 10M, the Bills would have signed him by now. I don’t think Peters has proven he is worth more than that. If Peters was resigned, we would need a LG. Hangartner should be better than Fowler/Preston…..it would be hard for Hangartner to be worse. So, yeah….we need to address the O-line, but we are not screwed yet.
My family was so poor that if I hadn't been born a boy, I wouldn't of
had anything to play with. - Rodney Dangerfield
by Joe P. on Apr 10, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a cop out
you gotta spend to win
you can spend your whole life looking for the right player at the right price…but when the rationale is always, well they aren’t worth the money…it says something about your franchise…
it’s all too convenient if you ask me that we are thinking of shippin peters off for some pick who will make pennies on the dollar to what he makes
by tiimbitz4786 on Apr 11, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, what is your limit ?
Talking in generalities is fine, but at some point even Snyder and Jones have limits. What is the max amount of money you would pay Peters per year?
My family was so poor that if I hadn't been born a boy, I wouldn't of
had anything to play with. - Rodney Dangerfield
by Joe P. on Apr 11, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you gotta spend to win
No you don’t.
You have to spend wisely and draft well consistently.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 11, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you gotta spend to win
Ok so how do you explain the Tampa Bay Rays last year, or the 02 Patriots, or the 05-06 Carolina Hurricains all winning championships despite not spending much?
Or how the Raiders and Redspkins always spend A LOT and they don’t win championships?
Your spend o win is a cop out. Spending a lot only set the illusion that you want to win, not that your going to win. Spending WISELY is what makes you win… you kow along with drfting intelligently, the ability to sign FA’s, a good FA, etc, etc, etc. Point is, no one thing makes you win.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 11, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's the chance of that though?
The Bills are 2 steps forward, 2 or 3 steps back every offseason, it seems like…..
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 11, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well sometimes they go to the left or right on some of those steps
Not sure if its the eletric slide, waltz, or electric bugaloo they are doing but sometimes its just fun to watch….
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 11, 2009 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Paul Abdul reference can NEVER be a step in the right direction!
by liquefaction on Apr 12, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!!!!! That was totally
unintentional. FYI, it helps if you use the " feature to highlight (see tool bar above the comment box when writing a comment) what your talking about. Just type what you want highlighted between the two "blockquote"s’
A Paul Abdul reference can NEVER be a step in the right direction!
"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker
by Joe P. on Apr 12, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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