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Age creeping up on Schobel, DE group (Getty)

With the 2009 NFL Draft less than two weeks away, it has long been anticipated that the Buffalo Bills would draft players with the mindset to "win now". Coming off three consecutive 7-9 seasons, Buffalo's front office - and most specifically, head coach Dick Jauron - are under more pressure than ever to put a winning product on the field. The Bills will therefore likely target rookies that can help them on the field immediately, as opposed to players that will need to learn the ropes before seeing significant playing time.

Teams that draft well, however, also plan for the future. That means bringing other factors into the drafting equation. Yesterday, we discussed the Bills' upcoming free agents over the next two seasons and the potential impact those deals will have on the team's 2009 draft plans. Today we shift gears a bit and tackle another major issue when building a roster: age.

30-something list grows longer
Age 30 is considered the "magic number" by most fans as the turning point of a player's NFL career. How many times have you heard the phrase "He's on the wrong side of 30"? Aging players are always at risk of being replaced in today's NFL; with that in mind, the Bills have eleven players that have (or will) crossed the mythical threshold this year - and the Bills will undoubtedly keep that in mind should they feel like grooming a replacement. (Number in parentheses indicates age they'll turn in 2009.)

WR Terrell Owens (36): How strange is it that the youthfully exuberant Owens is Buffalo's elder statesmen? Owens will turn 36 this coming December and his entering season 15 as an NFL player. Contract status: Signed through 2009

P Brian Moorman (33): As he's a punter, however, Moorman's got a solid decade left in the league if things go well - and the team certainly isn't drafting his replacement. Contract status: Signed through 2012

K Rian Lindell (32): See Moorman - kickers can last far longer than most NFL players. Lindell's age isn't an issue. Contract status: Signed through 2011

DE Ryan Denney (32): He'll turn 32 this June. The veteran defensive end has spent his entire seven-year career in Buffalo. Contract status: Signed through 2009

DE Aaron Schobel (32): Denney is Schobel's elder by a mere three months. Coming off of a serious foot injury - which he did not fix with surgery - Schobel has serious age and durability questions to answer this season. Contract status: Signed through 2013

DT Marcus Stroud (31): Coming off of a stellar season where he still didn't live up to exorbitant expectations set by a portion of the fan base. Just received a lucrative contract extension, so he'll be a Bill for a while - even if he'll be 31 in June. Contract status: Signed through 2012

FB Corey McIntyre (30): The Bills don't use their fullbacks much - only situationally on offense, and mostly on special teams. That's exactly the role McIntyre will assume next season. Contract status: Signed through 2010

OT Kirk Chambers (30): A reserve the past two seasons, Chambers' stock has necessarily risen thanks to the two gigantic question marks on Buffalo's offensive line - LT and LG. He doesn't have a lot of wear on his tires. Contract status: Signed an undisclosed, multi-year deal in March 2009

OT Langston Walker (30): He'll be 30 in September, and though he's had two solid seasons as a Bill, the general consensus is that when he hits the wall, he'll hit it hard and fast. Contract status: Signed through 2011

LB Kawika Mitchell (30): He ran hot and cold for the Bills last season, having several great and games and a few terrible games along the way. He's a solid NFL starter that can make plays for you in bunches. Contract status: Signed through 2012

DE Chris Kelsay (30): This Halloween, Kelsay will be the third Bills defensive end to hit the 30 plateau. He's also the most-maligned defender on the team. I think he gets a bad rap - he is what he is; a tough, hard-nosed competitor, but that's about it. Contract status: Signed through 2010

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There are eleven names on this list. Two of them (the kickers) are scratched immediately. So is Owens, as he's a special case and the Bills already have solid youth at the WR position. So is McIntyre, because he's not a part of the long-term picture.

That leaves seven players. Four are defensive linemen; two more are offensive linemen. The Bills are creeping toward the point where they'll have an age problem on the most critical part of any football team: the trenches. In particular, the defensive end position is getting old; when your top three contributors at the position will be 30 by year's end and the only long-term backup plan is the highly unproven Chris Ellis, you've got the makings of a problem.

Offensive tackle is a slightly different situation, and as usual, the potential trade of Jason Peters is a huge hindrance on the situation. If Peters stays, the Bills have solid youth at the position when you factor in the presence of Demetrius Bell, a player this coaching staff is very high on. But Peters' future in Buffalo is far from certain; therefore, drafting a tackle might be a smart move, even if Peters ultimately plays here in 2009. Until the Peters situation is defined more clearly, the interior offensive line will remain a larger priority - but don't rule out a developmental tackle based on the age factor alone.

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Four are defensive linemen

three of the four are our 3 top defensive ends. Somewhere Kurupt is pulling his hair out and screaming “I told you so years ago!”

Chris Ellis was a step in the right direction and I think he’ll be a bigger part of our future plans at defensive end then many are expecting. As I’ve said many times, he was only a rookie and he was a third rounder. There was nothing to expect last season but he will be a pass rusher on this defense soon enough.

That said, a defensive end surely has to be a pick in round 1 or 2. Unfortunately I’m not sure if any of the 3-4/4-3 hybrid types that are all over the place this year are what we need. I still think if Brian Orakpo falls he should be the pick at 11 even if we trade Peters. Walker proved he can handle the left side and Chambers can take the right. If Orakpo is gone at 11 we wait and grab Ayers, Johnson, English or Barwin at 43.

Whatever the case, defensive end can no longer be ignored. If the lack of sacks isnt enough to convince OBD maybe age will be.

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by poz on Apr 14, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Somewhere Kurupt is pulling his hair out and screaming "I told you so years ago!"

You’re damn right poz!

This has been a problem building for a few years now, it went from lack of production/talent to where it’s at now: lack of production/talent and lack of youth…

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 14, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the developmental tackle was Demetrius Bell, who would be available eventually to replace Walker at RT if Peters stays. If Peters is traded it is of course a new ballgame and the Bills will need to bring along another OT.

by Macktruck on Apr 14, 2009 12:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Still not that old of a roster, at least....

I’m not concerned about Walker or Chambers hitting 30. If Walker can shed a few lbs and remain pretty light on his feet, he’ll be able to have a number of good seasons still. In a few seasons, maybe earlier, he will likely have to shift to OG for good, IMO. That’ll probably have to happen elsewhere anyhow.

The issues on the DL are as glaring as any issue on the team. Production, skill, contract status and most definitely, age, are killing this position. I haven’t shut my mouth about the need for a overhaul at the position, and it seems like I may start to get my wish. At least I can remain as hopeful as ever!!!

Coming off of a serious foot injury – which he did not fix with surgery – Schobel has serious age and durability questions to answer this season.

Glad you added this Brian. That’s been my major concern for Schobel this offseason and I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again, he’s not making it through this upcoming season healthy. I still don’t know how he can avoid having surgery on a Lisfranc injury. It’s bound to be problematic until he does get it fixed. I’m very concerned that we’ll have him for a few games, and then boom, the injury is back. Yet another reason why we need to add one of the top talents at the position this draft….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 14, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Im still crossing my fingers that the Bills address both lines with every single 2009 draft pick....

whether it be 7 picks or possibly 10 picks…….everyone could/should go the OL/DL

Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009

by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 14, 2009 1:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...

And a TE and a Linebacker.

And a RB in the mid rounds would be nice instead of signing an over the hill veteran.

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by BillsNYC on Apr 14, 2009 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this might be our chance to draft a true burner

at RB. too bad combine time for the entire rb class were horrid.

by BuffaloChip on Apr 14, 2009 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There’s no need to waste a pick on a RB. A seasoned vet will do just fine for a few games.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 14, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So instead you’d rather drop 2 million on a vet that’s going to be a 3rd stringer? A vet that WANTS to be a 3rd stringer?

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by BillsNYC on Apr 14, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who said anything about $2 million?!

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 14, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would not be a problem....

If Bills knew how to draft and restock and groom young players. The Steelers, Titans, Patriots, especially the Patriots are known for getting rid of players like Bledsoe, Lawyer Milloy, Asante Samuel, due to their age, salary demands, etc. – And getting draft choices like Jerod Mayo to step in and win AFC Rookie of the Year. The Bills draft character players like Donte Whitner………

by BuffaloWhiner on Apr 14, 2009 8:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Bills knew how to draft and restock and groom young players.

The Bills have developmental prospects all over the roster. They just lack the starters to groom them behind.

And getting draft choices like Jerod Mayo to step in and win AFC Rookie of the Year.

LB was a huge problem area for NE for two years prior to Mayo’s arrival – that’s why they had to sign old stiffies like Junior Seau.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 14, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And won with them….

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by BillsNYC on Apr 14, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, well, that’s pretty easy to do when you have a quarterback.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 14, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ut oh, what’s Edwards then? A slot-warmer?

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 14, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They were a few years separated from a Super Bowl win. We…aren’t. There was a certain wealth of talent there that we don’t have currently.

Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.

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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 14, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we've been over this before

not sure if you ever read it, but if you haven’t if you look at the Patriots drafting record this decade and the Bills, Buffalo has a much, much better rate of drafting quality players than New England. The Patriots are actually one of the worst.

You just happen to hear about their few successes a lot more because they’re winning championships with Tom Brady.

Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.

by poz on Apr 14, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DEs should have been drafted like CBs

Maybe there aren’t as many to go around, but we could have been stockpiling them for the past few years, but instead we drafted ONE (as far as I can recall)
So, that is a very large mess there, and I would like to see two drafted this year, one high and one mid round.
Other than that, the age thing isn’t too much of a problem, as long as they draft some younger prospects in some of those areas (OL, DT) in this years and next years draft, which I think they will

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on Apr 14, 2009 8:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The only player on this list that Buffalo has to think about replacing long term is Stroud. Everyone else either has some years left or should be replaced regardless of age. Obviously I think the DE position needs to be overhauled, but 30 year old players like Mitchell, Walker and Chambers have a couple seasons left before Buffalo even has to begin to think about replacing them due to age.

TO should never be viewed as anything but a one time roll of the dice. The odds of him being back are slim (or at least I hope they are).

by kaisertown on Apr 14, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

(or at least I hope they are).

If he were back for another season or more, you’d have to think he’d have played great in 09, and wouldn’t that be cause to hope he returned?
If he catches 10, hell, 8 tds, I would not mind if we franchised him (if possible) or signed him to a two year deal. To hope he isn’t around, is almost to say, one hopes he doesn’t have a positive affect on the team. Ludicrous I tell you, postitutely ludicrous!

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on Apr 14, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ludicrous I tell you, postitutely ludicrous!

haha, Good points and I can see where you are coming from, but even if TO caught 20 TDs, I would probably still rather see him just walk away after this season. At some point, he will do more harm then good and I would rather play it safe and let him leave after this season under almost all circumstances.

by kaisertown on Apr 14, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if he catches 20 TD’s there’s no way you want him to leave Kaiser – cause he’d be a primary reason we’re in the playoffs (!!)

The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.

by J2 on Apr 14, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Anyone know if we could just franchise TO if he is a huge boost, and therefore not really get a real contract signed? Or, would be possible to see the production, and keep the star happy with an extension mid-season?

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on Apr 14, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course we could franchise him, but TO might be the one guy a team doesn’t want to franchise…simply because of his reaction….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 14, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he might not mind

but then again, once you think ou know about TO, he’s right there to prove you wrong

The Bills CAN win every game

by killascript on Apr 14, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Many , DTs often have a longer shelf life

Look at Ted Washington, Pat Williams, Sam Adams. Reggie White, Jamal Williams Aaron Smith

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by BillsNYC on Apr 14, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We've seen this for years

the Bills under Donahoe, ignored the OL. IN 2006, the Bills drafted Butler, Merz and Terrence Pennington. They found only Butler was able to develop. They used late round picks on those guys. You CAN develop OL. However, DL is a different story. Buffalo has not shown the ability to develop Copeland Bryan, Jason Jefferson, etc, and as a result the DL has struggled mightily. I"D MUCH rather draft 2-3 OL in rounds 5-7 every year and hope 1 out of every 3 develop into a contributor than use high draft picks on these guys. the DL is where those picks should be spent. Sure, you have to use high picks on OL sometimes, but we’ve shown a good ability to mold Peters, Butler, and now hopefully Demetrius Bell. You can’t say that for the DL. So it’s time to start drafting DL in the top 3 rounds of the draft. John McCargo failed, Chris Ellis who knows, but they got to keep drafting these guys on the DL in the top 3-4 rounds instead of hoping that somehow Denny, Schobel, and Kelsay will all of a sudden become productive NFL DE’s

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by MARVelous on Apr 14, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So after reading this article

do people really feel DE shouldn’t be the top priority in the draft? By that, I don’t mean it HAS to be a round-1 pick. But it does mean to me that they might consider drafting 3 at the DE position. Something has to be done about this situation which has become both aged and unproductive.

Once a LT is secured, I think they need to stock up on ends.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 14, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guarantee that they will not draft three defensive ends.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 14, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know it’s highly unlikely, but they really need at least 2.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 14, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would not surprise me if they drafted DE early on first day, then again on second day. You also could see them do the same on the OL, draft day one, then again on day 2.

Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 14, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They probably have to do that for the OL

and SHOULD do it for DE

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 14, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just get the best players available

In fact, I would rather see this team get their ducks in a row on offense, rather than defense, for I think our biggest area to improve, is in the TD scoring department…therefore, I would not be upset with a Pettigrew at 11, but if we can get any solid TE first year contributor, and a DE that rushes the passer, I really don’t give a wet Labatt-splat what round they come in, or if they are undrafted. Get some mo-fos in there that are good, regardless

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by killascript on Apr 14, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think if they draft a skill guy early on, i’ll scream.

"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"

by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 14, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah -- No Matthews

That we are not continuing to talk about Clay Matthews as our first pick. I was getting worried that on draft day, Russ Brandon would look at all the mock drafts and panick and search through the Buffalo Rumblings iste and ask, “who did Brian say to pick again—no one talks about him?” Modrak says, “you mean that backup player for 5 years on the team that has those other 2 great LBs?” Brandon responds, “Yeah, but Brian says he doesn’t have too much wear on his tires — and he gained 80 pounds of muscle in a couple of years.” Modrak will say, “here we go again — another Whitner, another McCargo, another Flowers; but at least they played college ball.”

by labill on Apr 14, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

… what does Clay Matthews have to do with this post?

By the way, he still remains a distinct possibility. Just FYI.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 14, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian, isn’t Josh Reed 30 or older? Just wondering.

Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 14, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’ll be 29 this year.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 14, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When the Bills signed Schobel, Kelsay and Denny they were following the philosophy of signing their own up and coming players. Unfortunately, Denny and Kelsay never developed into anything more then average, Schobel at least made a couple of pro-bowls. Now age and injuries (all 3 have had foot or leg injuries over the past 3 years) have caught up to them.

 Would it be shocking to see 2 of them let go this summer with Denney $2.4M, Schobel $6.5M – $3.5M salary guaranteed and Kelsay $5.6M counting against the cap. That’s an awful lot of money tied up with an average injury prone unit.

The Bills need help on the defensive front 7, take the best player available whether it is a LB, DE or DT—-they need an impact player at no#11.

by Goose22 on Apr 14, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this summer? yes.

I would be really surprised if they let two guys from that list go. They really like Kelsay and Schobel and I haven’t heard a whole lot against Denney here either. Unless a rookie and Ellis come into training camp and set the world on fire, I just don’t see them letting two guys go.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 16, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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