Bills trade LT Jason Peters to Philadelphia
by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 1:39 PM EDT
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Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com is reporting - with several other outlets confirming - that the Buffalo Bills have reached a trade agreement in principle to send left tackle Jason Peters to the Philadelphia Eagles. The Bills will receive the No. 28 overall pick in the draft, a fourth-round pick (No. 121 overall) in 2009, and a second day pick in the 2010 NFL Draft.
ESPN reports that the deal may be contingent on Peters passing a physical and, more importantly, signing a new deal. Peters' agent, Eugene Parker, was scheduled to open contract negotiations with the Eagles today.
The trade should end a headache for the Bills that at this point has lasted for over a calendar year. Peters has been seeking a new contract since the close of the 2007 season. He held out for the majority of the Bills' off-season workouts last year, returning the day prior to the start of the regular season. Upon his return, he made 13 starts and earned his second consecutive Pro Bowl bid.
Peters returned to the team with the promise that the Bills would work on a re-negotiated contract after the season. Those negotiations took place, but talks stalled when Peters demanded to become the NFL's highest-paid offensive tackle, seeking salaries in excess of $11 million annually. At that point in time, it became apparent that the Bills would be forced to hand over the biggest check they've ever given a player or trade him.
The Bills will have nine draft picks heading into next weekend's NFL Draft. It's a good thing, too - the Bills now have glaring holes at both left tackle and left guard (the team released OG Derrick Dockery prior to the free agent signing period). This is a huge weight off of the organization's shoulders, as the front office and coaching staff can now adequately begin formulating a draft strategy that doesn't factor in a potential trade. They do, however, now have a lot of work to do.
We'll have more details if/when they become available.
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by J2 on Apr 17, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wish it was the 21st pick or
a 3rd rounder with the 28th. But, we had to move him and I am glad we got solid value back for him.
by CBATL32 on Apr 17, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It could be a third rounder, since the day 2 starts with the third round.
by karovda on Apr 17, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Feelin’ a little cocky right now. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA,
My mock was the 28th and no additional compensation…. so I feel nice
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 17, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you were only halfway there???
Haha
At least #28 and a 3rd was close for me!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right but I underestimated it...
I thought we would need to cave. This is a big deal.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 17, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like patting myself on the back too. That super long mock of mine that I did before free agency started had me getting Philly’s 28th and first pick in the fifth round (4th pick in the round). I signed Geoff Hangartner and made WR a priority by going after TJ Houshmandzadeh. Now I just hope that they draft an OT at 11 and a DE at 28 like I would.
by kaisertown on Apr 17, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow guys
don’t tear your rotator cuffs patting yourselves on the back.
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by ForeignArrow on Apr 17, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well....at least they didn't sprain their wrist :-)
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by Joe P. on Apr 17, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was an excellent call Brian.
I wish it was the 21st though. But know knows what the conditional next year might be!?
by Posluszny Pollocks on Apr 17, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should be, you had it bang on. for this year’s picks.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping for a 3rd round pick so we could try and get Scheffler from Denver.
by 12thmanfan on Apr 17, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you could probably still swing a deal with their 4th and our 5th. I think that could work for both teams (especially Buffalo)
by kaisertown on Apr 17, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would hope it would have been
a first and a 3rd, but i guess this is just as good. OT @ 11?
Bills make me wanna SHOUT!
by silverstreak3k on Apr 17, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope so. I’m really not big on Ayers and if we can get any of the top 4 OT’s I’d be very happy.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOW SIGN FREDDY.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
by BeastMode on Apr 17, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
now give Action Jackson some money.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 18, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
28th
Think Pettigrew falls that far or would we package to jump up to get him?
Where else would you rather be...
by Slick Shifty on Apr 17, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll need to package to get our hands on him
He’ll got to Atlanta at 24 or even Philly at 21, we’ll need to get the Bronco’s 20th pick to insure we get Pettigrew. My guess would be we target Matthews Jr. there to solidfy our OLB position. Or we could see a darkhorse run for someone like Michael Johnson or Unger/Mack.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well i think this makes our pick at 11 obvious now... best available tackle.. hopefully oher over andre smith
the interesting pick now becomes 28, probably the best available between TE, DE, LB.. i’ll guess and say that it will mathews, if he’s there if not then i could see maybe michael johnson.. it would be nice to see ayers fall to 28 because that would give us a great 1st round.. then go te in the 2nd, and LB in the 3rd…. LB is a deep position so i would rather take the best available DE at 28..
by Shovel51 on Apr 17, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, things will get real interesting in the next few days now that the Peters mess is resolved.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy, that escalated quickly….
Day 2 pick….can that be a 3rd rounder by any chance?!?
Hopefully, it’s no worse than a 4th.
I’ll say Yes for now, but if we got a 7th this year and 7th next year, I don’t think i’tll be quite enough.
At least this fiasco is FINALLY over…..Too bad we need a LT now….A positive is still negative
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t get your hopes up about that 2010 pick, but a 4th this year is rock solid.
by kaisertown on Apr 17, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! I won’t believe it’s over until Peters actually signs with Philly.
by thefourwinds on Apr 17, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my mock I had the Bills getting #28 and a 3rd rounder, so I hope that’s what it is! At least now I can delete my non-trades mock!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha, I had us tossing him to the Lions for their 2nd, a 3rd escalating to a 2nd next year and swapping our 6ths
Man, all that work for nuthin’
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had Detroit also, for their 2nd (33) and 6th. Man was I off. I am not going to complain about it though.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 17, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's right...
I first had the 33rd overall and their 4th rounder or something… But I changed it to the 28th overall when I realized I wanted a defender… :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 17, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THANK GOD!
Finally it’s over. #11 and #28 are good arsenal. Now the Bills can spend a week to really formulate their strategy
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by MARVelous on Apr 17, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW ESPN.com has the Bills getting a 4th rounder…..
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh
According to an Eagles source, the Eagles would like to have a contract in place before the trade is complete. Because of that, the Eagles might not be able to announce the trade until as late as Sunday.
This trade could take A LONG TIME to complete, since we all know how Peters does business….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eagles 4th round pick
is # 118 overall. Buffalo owns pick #106 of the 4th round
That means pick #11, #28, #42, #75, #106 and #118 overall we have in the first 4 rounds.
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by MARVelous on Apr 17, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(ring ring)
Jauron: Hello?
Andy Reid: Hi? Dick? This is Andy.
Jauron: Hey Andy, how’s everything going?
Reid: Good…good.
(long pause)
Jauron: Was there something you needed?
Reid: Um…well…yeah. Uh, does Jason have a new cell number? We’ve tried to get started on these contract negotiations, but we can’t get ahold of him. He doesn’t return our calls.
Jauron: Gee…I don’t know. He’s typically so conversational. I mean, maybe…
Reid (interrupting): Oh, wait! We’re getting a fax. Hold on…
(long pause)
Jauron: Andy, you still there? What’s it say?
Reid: It’s from Jason.
Jauron: What is it?
Reid: It’s just a very large 12 written in green crayon…..Is this guy serious?
Jauron: Well, good luck Andy.
(click)
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by thatguy34 on Apr 17, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I personally figured Jason would use the scented Mr. Sketch markers…
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 17, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, they’re too tempting for him. He gets hungry and tries to eat them, so he’s not allowed to use the scented markers anymore.
"I guarantee you don't wanna tase me, bro" - Donte Whitner
by thatguy34 on Apr 17, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well played, sir.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 17, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude I looooooved those markers growing up as a kid
Our teachers would get so mad at all of us because all the kids would be huffing the fumes from them. No wonder our most recent generations of kids have attention spans of gerbils.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out on a limb here
but I’m guessing the markers aren’t a major cause of that….hahaha
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahaha
I agree
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 18, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd and that was freaking funny!
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least he knew to use a green crayon for Philly
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus green is the color of MONEY!!!!!!!!!
"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker
by Joe P. on Apr 17, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds about right… although I’m guessing the Eagles are more likely to pay it than we are.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d have to think the Bills put in some kind of a deadline in place. I can’t imagine they would let Parker basically hold them hostage until the ink dries.
by krytime on Apr 17, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
will be interesting to see what he signs for. bet it’s a couple mil less than the 11.5-12 per year he was demanding from BFLO. so long twinkie bandit.
by dzil on Apr 17, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Report
It is a 4th rounder.
Sorry, I don’t know how to link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4077093
Where else would you rather be...
by Slick Shifty on Apr 17, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i would prefer oher at 11, and would rather take barwin w/ the 2nd pick if he's there and if not oh well.. i'd prefer johnson GT/maybe ayers will fall to that spot..
i think barwin is a great talent,, but i’m not for taking him in the first round.. but we did have in on a visit so i wouldn’t be suprised,, and wouldn’t be completely disappointed if we did select him.. either way i think we need to go… Tackle at 11, and DE at 28, then TE, then OLB, and we are looking good as far as the draft goes.
by Shovel51 on Apr 17, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be Awesome
Smith and Barwin could both start now. Pick up an OG in the second and trade our 4th and 5th to get back into the 3rd to land a OLB and a TE or just draft an OLB – Mckenzie in the 3rd and TE – Ingram or Beckham in the 4th that would be great.
Fat, Drunk, & Stupid is No way to go through life.
by Deadpool71 on Apr 17, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the middle
Am I satisfied? I wish they got a little more, but it’s not all that bad. I’m guessing next year’s is a 6th, and probably no better than a 5th.
Now the picks need to be cashed in!
by Pistol on Apr 17, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like getting rid of a malcontent, but obviously this puts a dent in the Bills 2009 playoff hopes.
It'll be just you, me, and Peter Nincompoop.
by BeastMode on Apr 17, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can you honestly say you noticed a difference when our backup was playing LT last year?
I can’t remember the dudes name and Im too lazy to look it up but I didn’t. I know he’s not as good as Peters but there is a chance we could be better this year.
by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Apr 17, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk Chambers
started games 1 and 2….he may get the start in 2009. Now, there is still a possibility of a trade to KC for LB Brian Waters….so we’ll wait and see on that too
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by MARVelous on Apr 17, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chambers?
I am REALLY curious to see if OBD thinks Chambers can start and be effective in 2009. If so, then they can get get more immediate defensive help at #11. If not, then they have to get one of those top 4 tackles at #11. I didn’t like Brian’s mock draft, but that was assuming OBD didn’t think Chambers could start this year.
by CBATL32 on Apr 17, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think OBD was hoping Chambers might start, but ONLY as an OG for the team
I think they were hoping to get Peters in the door, have Bell become our swing tackle with Chambers going to either LG or RG and McKinney as our interior depth, leaving us with 8 OLineman like last year.
Now, well, thats all out the window and we’ll see what happens now.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big news.
I was beginning to think this might severly hurt our draft. Now I think it will really help us out.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 17, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Might help our draft
but our on field play will suffer, I don’t care how poor Peters’ stats were from last year. He’s an elite run blocking and we’re going to really feel the loss there.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I fully agree with you.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 17, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'll make draft day a lot more fun
after that, eh, who knows….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s sorta what I like about this. Draft day, the only day for me that holds any hope, is now more fun. I know what happens during the season…and it’s nothing exciting.
"I guarantee you don't wanna tase me, bro" - Donte Whitner
by thatguy34 on Apr 17, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, the draft IS our Superbowl
So just enjoy the ride, eh?
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geronimo
Your earlier post said we were looking at Pettigrew, Ayers or Mathews. Do you think this makes Oher a higher target at 11?
by CBATL32 on Apr 17, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
booooooo
i was really hoping for the #21 from the Eagles. We just can’t get Pettigrew at number 28 and that really depresses me. Even though I think we got hosed a little I do think this was the best deal that OBD could get so I applaud them for A.) getting the deal done a week before the draft and B.) getting at least a 1st.
I think the way forward is clear now. Trade out of #11 and package it with our first 4th to the Lions for #20 and pick #33. According to ESPNs draft value chart, the value is even for both teams and Detroit would be able to get their QB at 1 and their LT at #11 for the next decade. For us, we can get Pettigrew at #20, Clay Matthews/Brian Cushing/Robert Ayers #28, Eben Britton/Will Beatty at #33, and Michael Johnson/Marcus Freeman at #43. Then send Roscoe and our 5th to KC for Pro Bowl LG Brian Waters.
Hey, its a bit out there, but you never know. It fills all of our needs.
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Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
by poz on Apr 17, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
….so I applaud them for A.) getting the deal done a week before the draft and B.) getting at least a 1st.
That’s pretty much how I feel right now.
by krytime on Apr 17, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would much rather have the #21 pick
What if pettigrew is gone by 28th pick….
by arbrenner1 on Apr 17, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Woo Hoo!!!!
Now we just have to hope that Peters signs on the dotted line with Philly and this particular nightmare issue is at last laid to rest.
Of course, now I’ll have to go back and revise my mock drafts….
by Ron From NM on Apr 17, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. And I spent over an hour last night editing your old one… :(
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't edit mine yet!
I have to make changes, so don’t waste your time if you haven’t already!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just went and finished mine...
I just removed the trade down I put at the beginning. It netted us a third rounder. Converted it to a 4th and bam! Mine is done. again.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 17, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I will be changing mine tomorrow. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no fair
you already set yours in stone!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He gets to do V3.0!
hahaha
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 17, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did not! Where did you get that idea?!
I have the right to change my opinion; it’s my blog!
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s my blog!
A little full of yourself aren’t you there Brian? :-)
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. Yes.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol, same issue here, spent some quality time working mine up
And now they are all shot to heck! Whee, work ain’t getting done tonight!
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enough with the CL v. LG
This is a great deal for numerous reasons. But the most important reason is that the preseason headache of Jason Peters is gone. Forget everything else, it is critical for the O-line to be cohesive and there was just no doubt Peters would hold out. He does not deserve to be a $12 million Tackle. My guess is he regresses once he is paid like many other athlete’s who lack the desire to win.
And we just saved 3.5 (approx) in salary for 2009. Generally, the best teams (who are somewhere in the middle of the pack on talent) win championships. Pitt is a perfect ex so was the 1st Pats team. Bring in players who love the game.
Great job FO
by Berg79 on Apr 17, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
first two picks need to be
LT then OLB or G. NO tight end, Pettigrew is nothing special. we need a o-line and a d-line that can perform. the TE will do nothing in this years offense. if we get one of the boys from USC at 28 i’ll be happy with that and go get the best available Guard after that. DE would be nice, but we have too many holes elsewhere and like many of you keep saying, there is too much money allocated there already. 3rd DT, 4th TE and S.
Go Bills
by pastj12345 on Apr 17, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because I couldn't resist
Edwards is also very effective against the Blitz. He was not so effective when teams droped 7 or 8. If team rush 4 against the Bills then our Tackles can get assistance from TE’s or Rb’s chipping. I still say take the best available player at 11 and 29 and then if neither of those are tackles get the best T in the 2nd round.
Maybe the team is high on Bell too.
by Berg79 on Apr 17, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It will be entertaining when Philly doles out huge cash for Peters, and then he stinks. The guy has only cared about $ for the past two years, and now that he [potentially] has it, won’t care about anything at all. Maybe he can at least reduce his sack total from 11.5 to 11.
Trade back from #11 to someone wanting Sanchez (who I pray falls to our spot) – and stockpile picks to address our multiple holes – LT, DE, TE, LB, G/C
by Posluszny Pollocks on Apr 17, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It'll probably be Freeman at #11 thats causes the uproar
I think the Seahawks will go with Sanchez at 4…..
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im interested.....
To see if Peters drops his asking price. Well no longer our headache. I sort of hope he does b/c next time he come to OBD, his welcome will be awesome.
by PWilliams on Apr 17, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he does drop it, I bet it won't be by much
Parker needs a big fat new contract for Peters since he has been representing him for free this past year as he only gets paid if Peters gets paid new money. Bet you he signs for about 10 million a year.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he signs for 9 or 10 a year I’ll be PISSED.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s in Philly sans agent (see below)… bet he does.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I should get ready to be pissed then?
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Though now I’m hearing that Parker is in Philly. Further proof that no one really has a clue what the H is going on…
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wounderful! Here’s hoping He give philli as much trouble as he gave us. A part of me wants Phili to fork over big money, but another part of me wants him to get low balled at 8 or 8M per year.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could care less how much Peters gets as long as he signs the F@#$ing papers
If not, we are back to square 1, minus the time and effort. That said, think I will wait a little longer before I do another mock. Knowing my luck, I would get it done and then we would trade Parrish for Waters……well….maybe it would be worth the work :-)
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by Joe P. on Apr 17, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Joe!
Are you, like me, pissed off that the Bills didn’t get Philly’s 21 instead of their 28? To me, that’s a big difference.
I think there’s a good chance that Jason Smith, Eugene Monroe, Andre Smith, and Michael Oher are gone before #11. Langston Walker? Demetrius Bell? Eben Britton? OLT may be overrated, but it is a pretty important position. Now, I wish it wasn’t such a premium position because the Bills probably won’t have a good player at that spot anymore :-(
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by Fort Worth on Apr 17, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little bit, but I think Philly needs that pick to make a play for a WR like Boldin or Edwards
Oher will be there at #11 if we want him.
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by Joe P. on Apr 17, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the Hentai is going on? Whoa, thats a little weird even for my taste....
And my tastes are strange…
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
He wanted out of Buffalo and never had the guts to come out and say it so he played his stupid little games simply to complicate the situation and and because he is a coward.
Just my 2 cents.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 17, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just my 2 cents.
I too, ditto those two cents…
by krytime on Apr 17, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm the Bills....
once this trade is put through by 280 Park Ave, I’m going hard after Brian Waters. We definitely need a very good veteran OL in here now, and have to solidify that left side with more than just Chambers and a rookie.
Roscoe and a 4th or 5th would be great. I hope something can get done with them.
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by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
I’d like to see that as well.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 17, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
we need a vet OL….I want to draft 2-3 OL as well, but we need a vet on that left side. We can’t be starting a rookie and Chambers if we can help it….At least not week 1 at NE
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by MARVelous on Apr 17, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we see Butler moved to LG and Chambers moved into the RG spot
With Bell and McKinney as our supersubs and a rookie LT (hopefully A. Smith or Oher).
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts.....
I am now a little more sold on somehow acquiring Pettigrew in the draft. Do we now take one of the top LT’s and then package the 28th and a 4th or 5th to move up to say, #20 to get Pettigrew? Getting Pettigrew along with a LT would help solidify our line. We just need to pick up a LG. I’m waiting to see if we trade Parrish to KC for Waters as we all have speculated. I personally think the Bills are happier with their OLB’s than fans are.
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by Hambone on Apr 17, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
somehow
a part of me like Pettigrew just a tad more today. I still don’t want anything to do with him at #11, but if we were to get him at #28 or after a trade down from #11, I’d be ok with it.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your
damn striaght you’d be OK with it! Adding a 3rd OT like Pettigrew that can block would be huge with the new Left side of OUR OL….That’s why Pettigrew makes so much sense….Not at #11. K, just face it, we’re taking Robert Ayers at #11
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by MARVelous on Apr 17, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Andre Smith
~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now our #1 priority is the OL. DE has just become 2nd or 3rd tier. IMO.
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by Hambone on Apr 17, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are going to need his mad blovking skills along with Fines to keep Trent upright with a rookie LT
Thats why I am no longer so against him being the pick in the 20s even if we have to move up to do so.
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by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pettigrew at #28 is ok with me, but at 11 or to a lesser extent trading up for him is not what I’d be particularly fond of. But the need for him has increased, and I totally understand if they bring him in. I just can’t get behind picking him so early, especially with a big, fat 340 lb hole at LT.
~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, Pettigrew will be our pick in the 20s if they can do it
Only question is if all 4 top 15 takcles are gone at #11, then all bets are off!
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by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants
rotoworld says the Giants were also making a play for Peters….interesting….I wonder how and why the deal got done today
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by MARVelous on Apr 17, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because Ralph’s got a big Bridge tournament this weekend. He woulda been unreachable.
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by thatguy34 on Apr 17, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just choked on my after lunch coffee thatguy34! lol!
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by MARVelous on Apr 17, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants and Peters?
Huh, why?
Sure it’s not Giants and a WR (Boldin/Edwards)???
Guess they tried to make a play for him….probably their 1st and a later pick as well….
According to ESPN.com, the deal may not be officially announced until Sunday because the Eagles want to have a contract extension in place first. It’s believed that the Giants also made a play for the Pro Bowler.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outside of the box thought
I’d be interested to see if the jets would package the 17 pick and gholston to move up to 11 if a QB they like is still there
by DonutVT on Apr 17, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So now the Bills have closer to 10M to spend against the cap.
No doubt Jackson gets his money now.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 17, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that he wanted a huge amount anyway…but yes, we need to lock him up
by Posluszny Pollocks on Apr 17, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup – with this monkey off their back i’m sure they’ll move on that a little quicker – still will probably be after the draft
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by J2 on Apr 17, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that he gets signed to an extention before the draft now.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don;t know if I want the Bills to sign him before the draft.
I want them focused on the draft and nothing else.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 17, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure that Russ Brandon can take a day off to concentrate on Jackson, and let the coachs and scouts do the work for the draft… Actually I’d prefer it! in fact if he can take a week off to concentrate on Jackson that would be great!
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish Brandon didn’t have a key to the draft war room.
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by BillsNYC on Apr 17, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as he knows to step back and let the draft team do the work we should be fine… question is, is he that smart or did his ego grow to the size of TO’s?
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you want Brandon to take a week off?
There is a lot of time between the draft and training camp. A lot of time. In which to do contracts. We need as many eyes as possible on the draft.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 18, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but I want for the eyes that concentrate on the draft to be football eyes, not PR eyes.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 18, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a fair enough point
Like it or not he’s in the draft room and I want him to see players
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 18, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True enough, and I,d like form him to see the players too, IM just hoping to god that his isn’t the last work on draft picks.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 18, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody has to bring the refreshments cart in.
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by Kurupt on Apr 19, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Graham
reports it’s a 6th round pick in 2010…..we got the 1st and 4th….another 4th next year I would have said win win, but I can live
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by MARVelous on Apr 17, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heck. Getting 2 picks was worth it for me. Adding that 3rd pick, albeit a late one in 2010, is even better. Great deal for the Bills IMO.
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by Hambone on Apr 17, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doeas pick 28 even count as a 1st pick?
by BuffaloChip on Apr 17, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
It’s in the first round isn’t it?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much guarantees we’d get unger or mack if we wanted them there
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by J2 on Apr 17, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just can’t see us taking an OT at 11 and an OG at 28, or an OG at 28 before addressing OT, but ya never know.
Right now, if we could get Oher or Smith at #11 and are able to ship a 4th and Roscoe to KC for Waters, I’ll be one happy Bills fanatic.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont want to see Roscoe go, but to get Waters, i would have to agree.
by pastj12345 on Apr 17, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want to just give Roscoe away for a 5th or later pick. Even a 4th rounder, which I’d expect, is still a little questionable in my book. But if we can turn Roscoe and a 4th or so into a Pro Bowl LG, I don’t see how any of us would be upset to see him go…..
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
waters isnt gonna be traded. Why people keep dragging this up.......
by BuffaloChip on Apr 17, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because KC and Buffalo and talked recently. Just because Pioli said they wouldn’t trade him doesn’t mean he’ll be a Chief in 9 days….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like Jones said TO was going to stay in Dallas – i don’t beleive a word those guys say
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by J2 on Apr 17, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Russ said Peters was staying...
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 17, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say send Roscoe over with the 4th round pick that the Eagles gave us for Waters, that would be a great trade for us.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed – I wouldn’t be surprised either if we move up to 20-23 and try to nab Pettigrew before Atlanta – package the 28th and the 4th we just got (or whatever that works out to be)
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by J2 on Apr 17, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll have to check the charts, but is the 4th enough to move up 6-8 spots?
~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure what the compensation is – i’d have to look at the chart as well
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by J2 on Apr 17, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
20 = 850
21 = 800
22 = 780
23 = 760
28 = 660
our 4th this year is 110 = 74
so yeah – it’d have to be more
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by J2 on Apr 17, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn’t have to be more. That chart isn’t set in stone, and generally overvalues picks at the top. It’s not unreasonable to think a 4th rounder could move the Bills up 5-6 spots.
But I’m not convinced the Falcons are a lock to take Pettigrew either. I think he could last until 28.
by Pistol on Apr 17, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be one happy Bills fanatic.
That just doesn’t sound right. Say it ain’t so, K!
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by thatguy34 on Apr 17, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still can hope for a trade down from #11, correct? I’d love to drop down to twenty or so, picking up a mid 2nd to a high 3rd.
by krytime on Apr 17, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
… yes.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bills are in great position.
They can just stand pat at 11 and one of the 4 OT’s will be available then. If NOT, then I’m sure one of the QB’s will be available and teams will want to leapfrog Denver to get Sanchez or Stafford. If they pick OT at 11, they can then go after Max Unger or another interior lineman with the 28th pick, unless Pettigrew is still available.
Btw, kudos to OBD for getting this done. I wonder what the conditions are for the conditional 2010 pick. They essentially took an undrafted FA, molded him into a franchise LT, and got great value for him. I hope Peters does good in 2010 so that we can get a better pick from the Eagles, but I really think that his play won’t ever get better than last year – not with a big fat paycheck coming at him.
I’m stoked for this draft!
by Renegade23 on Apr 17, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s too bad Ryan Clady isn’t available at #11 like he was last year….Gah!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding.
or Brandon Albert
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 17, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
is one of the many reasons why I don’t like need-based drafting. If your team needs are always changing (new coaches, roster turnover, injuries, trades, contracts, busts, retirement, etc.) then why not just pick the best available player regardless of positional need? Last year, Jason Peters was coming off a great season and made his first Pro Bowl. The Bills didn’t need a left tackle, so why draft Ryan Clady, right? I’m guessing that Clady was at or near the top of the Bills’ draft board when it was their turn to pick. I don’t know how closely Clady was graded to Leodis McKelvin, so I’m not saying that McKelvin was a bad pick. McKelvin was a good pick, but who knew the Peters situation who end up like this (okay, I guess Marshall Faulk does know something)? See how quickly team needs can change? There are many other examples. Draft the best available player, or trade and obtain value equal to or better than your original pick. Of course, this is a general philosophy, and there are definitely cases where positional needs can be considered when drafting players.
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by Fort Worth on Apr 17, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think that McKelvin was the better pick though. I mean yeah it would have been nice to have Clady, but McKelvin gave our secondary increadible depth and he’s fastly growing to be a hell of the DB. Add his terrific return game and the fact that all of his INT’s also have the chance to become pick 6’s, I still prefer having McKelvin.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do understand my point, right?
If Trent Edwards falls on his face in 2009, would Matthew Stafford or Mark Sanchez be a bad pick at #11 for the Bills? Positional needs are difficult to predict and quite often do change, sometimes rather quickly. I would prefer to trust the draft board, focus on adding the most value and talent to the roster, and let fate decide the rest.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Apr 17, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But see if we draft for need, i.e. and OT early, then theres a good chance that Trent wont fall flat on his face, but if we neglect the OT spot, it’s a garantee that he will. I’d rather draft for now, since we’re in win now mode. Besides, we all know that QB sucess is 50/50 when they get to the NFL, I mean how many sure thing have turned into flops in rescent years? Meanwhile almost all of the OT’s taken early in the last 5 years have panned out to be good, if not great, additions to their teams. Not only is drafting an OT a safer bet, but it also helps our team NOW. If Stafford/SanchezFreeman fall to us, great! we trade out, but if one of the top 3 OT’s (Smith, Monroe and Smith) fall to us, then you jump on the oppertunity to draft him. The only OT I wouldn’t draft on the spot is Oher, as I think that he would fall back to us if we trade to either Denver, Washington of the Jets.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So would you still draft based on need (pass on Michael Crabtree at #11 and reach for Eben Britton at #28) if you knew that Lee Evans was going to suffer a serious injury in the upcoming season and that the Bills already have a franchise left tackle on their roster in Demetrius Bell? What if you knew that Marshawn Lynch was going to have another off-the-field problem or that Marcus Stroud was going to retire after the season, would you be more likely to consider drafting Knowshon Moreno, Beanie Wells, or B.J. Raji in this draft?
Do you see what I’m getting at? Positional needs are difficult to predict and they are always changing. So why should your draft be based on that? I would rather get the most value and talent on the roster regardless of need. The rest will sort itself out in due time.
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by Fort Worth on Apr 17, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your being a bit drastic in your scenarios. And while I’ll agree that needs change all the time, I don’t see the need to draft a player in a position that we already have good talent and depth at. Personally I think that the only draft picks that should only take into consideration the talent of the player being drafted are positions 1 through 5… maybe 6 and 7. After that the difference in talent between the players available to you is not all that different so you might as well draft to fill your needs. Personnaly I think the difference in talent between Crabtree, ANdre smith, Brown and Raji is marginal when you take into consideration their positions. I think that they are all more or less equally talented at their respective positions, therefore you might as well draft what you need in order to make your team better overall. And FYI, I do like Bell, but I doubt that he will ever have the Franchise Left Tackle tag ever attached to him. he will become a good linemane, but not a franchise lineman. So in summery, I holpe that in the first and second rounds that the Bills draft for need. We need to draft starting talent that will fill our holes, not draft another WR that will be stuck in our depth chart.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t mind taking positional need into consideration when the draft grades on multiple players (at different positions) are equal or very close. In those cases, positional importance (for example OLT is a premium position, OLB is not), character, and medical information should also be considerations.
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by Fort Worth on Apr 17, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of corse all those factors should be taken into consideration. But your telling me that at the end of the day if you grade Micheal Crabtree and Andre Smith equally, or almost equaly with a slight advantage to Crabtree, but you have a gapping hole at LT, you would still draft Crabtree? I would think that that would be a HUGE mistake.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andre Smith.
I don’t think positional need, positional importance, character, and medical contribute to player grades.
I do think positional need, positional importance, character, and medical should be considerations when the player grades are equal or very close. Otherwise, take the highest graded player or trade and obtain value equal to or better than your original pick.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Apr 17, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think positional need, positional importance, character, and medical contribute to player grades.
Oh, they very much do… they’re just not weighted as heavily as on-field production. Obviously.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to be a fly on the wall during final draft meetings, evaluations, discussions, etc.
Then I would know that kind of stuff (how players are graded, etc.) for sure :-)
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by Fort Worth on Apr 17, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
Obviously talent is the top priority, but positional need NEEDS to be taken into consideration when drafting a player. And like I said, to me Crabtree, Sanchez, Freeman, Maybin and Smith are all marginal in talent difference. So if they are all ranked about evenly in talent, then you go and draft for need, hence why I would draft Smith… maybe even Oher.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute!
I must clarify: Brian, are you saying that how much a team needs a position will impact or change each player’s grade? So by trading Jason Peters, the grades just went up on every offensive tackle on the Bills’ draft board, and the grades just went down on all the cornerbacks (since the need for cornerbacks just dropped down a notch)? I find that difficult to believe. Without Peters, I agree that the need for an offensive tackle is greater and the need can be considered, but I don’t think the player grades themselves will or have changed.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Apr 17, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find that difficult to believe.
If the grades themselves change, it’s only incrementally – probably not enough to even count. But the board should change considerably.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That what I was trying to get to all along.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can your draft board (list of ranked players) change if the player grades themselves don’t change? Like I said, if the grades are equal or very close, then you look at the other stuff. In those cases, I guess the draft board could change. Otherwise, I don’t see how or why the draft board would change, even considerably.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Apr 17, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. It just does. Trust me – the board will shift. You’re right in that it’s probably not significant, but it will not remain unchanged. It can’t – the gaping hole at LT necessitates a shift.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6th rounder in 2010 apparently
don’t think it’s a conditional pick….
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by Kurupt on Apr 17, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a little over an hour and we have 400+ votes on the poll - nice job
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by J2 on Apr 17, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade Value Chart
According to the revised Trade Value Chart on WalterFootball.com, the Bills now have the 4th-highest total; after the Lions (with a huge gap, of course), Broncos, and Rams.
The Patriots are at 8th, and the Dolphins and Jets come in at 16th and 17th.
by Krenn on Apr 17, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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Peters is meeting with the Philadelphia Eagles sans agent Eugene Parker, and talks are going extremely well. So well, in fact, that the deal could be announced Friday. The initial expectation was it could take until Sunday.
http://www.myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-7-84/Peters-likes-what-he-s-hearing-from-Eagles.html
Why couldn’t he meet with us “sans Eugene Parker”? That could have made this whole thing go better.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 17, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL no lie! What the hell?!
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unreal really – we give him his shot – basically develope the guy and give him every chance and now he just wants to screw us? wtf is that all about? he literally just jumped up as my most hated player in the league – especially if he gets the contract for under 10mil and sans Parker
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on Apr 17, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I already had him at the top of mine. Remember, I called this a loooong time ago.
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by Joe P. on Apr 17, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You had to know it would be like that. I’m just glad our headache is gone.
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by Hambone on Apr 17, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he wanted out to a bigger city with all the media attention that comes with it.
Well Jason you’ll get attention from Eagles fans, especially if you let McNabb take 11.5 hits to the rib cage this fall!
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’ll just blame McNabb anyway.
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by thatguy34 on Apr 17, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmmm......
philly cheese steaks. doh!
Peters will swell up like a toad in Philly.
by dzil on Apr 17, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say hello to the NFL’s first 400 pound LT.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get him meeting in Philly without his agent. That doesn’t make sense to me. All it makes me think is that Peters just absolutely hated being a Bill.
by krytime on Apr 17, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drafttek simulation
I just ran a simulation on Drafttek.com
I made OT our number one priority and pluged in our taking of the pick at 28.
I also made TE a lower priority.
The results were:
11 – Oher
28 – Ayers
42 – Wood
75 – McKenzie
If the Bills had these guys with this draft I would be doing a happy dance all day.
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by Deadpool71 on Apr 17, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good day.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 17, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be an awesome draft
I could more than live with that
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in the 4th round
This simulation picked us the following in the 4th round
Travis Beckham – TE Wisconson
then
Ricky Jean-Francis – DT LSU
That would make a great draft
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by Deadpool71 on Apr 17, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be awesome
oher, ayers, beckham and dt from lsu to tag team with stroud.
Bills make me wanna SHOUT!
by silverstreak3k on Apr 17, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a great draft for us
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell Yeah!!!! Sign me up!
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by Joe P. on Apr 17, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Would the Bills take Ayers or Matthews at #28?
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by Joe P. on Apr 17, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking Ayers. Because after Ayers, there aren’t any other DE’s that could immidiatly start for us and be an all downs DE, sure we could go get Barwin or Johnson, but I don’t see them being the type of player that Ayers would be for us. And while Mathews might be a very good talent, we can still draft an immidiate start at LB all the way in the third round. If your thinking overall team talet, I’m going with Ayers over Mathews at 28.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make sense, but
we haven’t heard much about the Bills FO liking Ayers. If they were considering taking Matthews at #11, how will they be able to pass him up at #28?
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by Joe P. on Apr 17, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touché… but I think Brian could also make a case for OBD liking Ayers.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
About time!!!!
Glad thats over. I wold have loved to have kept Peters, but really he, didn’t want to be here. We can move on now.
Ok so the first 3 picks in the draft should be:
11 – OT Andre Smith
28 – C/G Alex Mack
42 – DE Barwin
That would make me very happy. And if we can grab McKenzie in the 3rd, I’d be extatic.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cant say im for drafting smith
trading one malcontent for another one wouldnt be a good trade, would much rather oher or any other LT.
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 17, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, what is Andre Smith not content with?
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can’t find a BRO in his size?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 17, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
manzeer?
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on Apr 17, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah one of those.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 17, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
manssiere!
I know FOR A FACT that you cannot triple stamp a double stamp.
by Scrumtrulescent on Apr 17, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You said it much more confidently than J2 so I will go with your spelling.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 17, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah – don’t go with my spelling – I was just referencing the episode :)
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on Apr 17, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh come on
andre smith is full of baggage. from leaving ALA and screwing them in their bowl game to recently firing his agent. this kid has headache written all over him.
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 17, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also won’t be there at 11, so this is largely moot… but I do disagree with you.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he is there at 11 though, do you think the Bills would take him?
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am 100% certain that if he’s there, he’d be the pick. Beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, that’s all I wanted to know…. Now let’s just keep our fingures crossed that he falls to us.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about moving up to get Andre Smith?
has that topic been broached?
by BuffaloChip on Apr 17, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on how far he slides. He’d have to get past 8, IMO, for the Bills to consider it. I have a hard time believing he’ll get past Cincinnati at 6.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right about the area I was thinking.
a swap, parrish and a late round pick
by BuffaloChip on Apr 17, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont disagree with his talent
just would rather the safer pick of oher
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 17, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we aren't playing safe this season
by pastj12345 on Apr 17, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we’ve played it safe in the past?
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would say frugal rather than safe. but more or less safe if we are using these terms. Peters was a lucky thing that happened to us. he was our best pick, or rookie FA in that years draft. we finally were able to get compensation back for a player, when was the last time we got that? now we are going for broke here, TO 1 year contract, Jauron is out if we dont get tothe playoffs and now we get rid of our starting LT. this is not safe. you have to take the players that will win now, not 2-3 years. we have 0 ZERO depth, no one is going to step up from second string. you have seen our LB, DT, LT,LG depth. garbage. that was playing it safe with all the junk we accumulated. time to take the risk of a superstar LT or biggest bust since Mike Williams. i think i’m rantign here but i hope i made my point.
by pastj12345 on Apr 17, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i would try to trade Reed instead of Roscoe
won’t happen but i’d rather see that happen. Johnson will be a better slot man this year if he had a chance.
by pastj12345 on Apr 17, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lardarius Webb CB, Nicholls State
He may be our next Terrence McGee, great return man, and can run picks back for TDs, did it three times last season off of 5 INTs.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw silverstreak
the isley brother shout song part 1&2 played at a wedding in texas over the past weekend, you know i started the motha Freakin Bills chant at the end of the song. half of us were from Buffalo the other half we canadians, go figure.
by pastj12345 on Apr 17, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith, IMO, will be a great addition to the Bills.
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by Hambone on Apr 17, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thought....
Here is what I would do if I were the Bills in their first 3 picks……
- - Andre Smith or Michael Oher
- - Maybin – (I have a feeling he falls this far)
- - Unger
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by Hambone on Apr 17, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be SHOCKED if he falls that far, but increadible happy as well… ah to dream.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
11 – Oher
28 – Maybin, Ayers, Mathews, Cush, Barwin (best available)
42 – Wood, Unger
75 – Mckenzie (if no LB taken at 28)
4th round – best TE available ((ingram, beckum)
Best possible draft in my opinion.
by CBATL32 on Apr 17, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t mind seeing the Bills pick up another veteran lineman. Maybe Kendall Simmors. Someone to take some pressure off of the line and newbs at the beginning of the season. McKinney is ok but he is no Pro Bowl lineman.
by adrew0314 on Apr 17, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What if we don't draft a tackle early...
It might help us get playmakers….
Anyone with any connections know how much weight Demetrius has put on this offseason? I’d love to see the guy with the blood of a great athlete on the outside…
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by killascript on Apr 17, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a chance at either really
So we’ll see…al depends…best thing about him that i saw last year is that he is nimble on his feet
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by killascript on Apr 17, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we still need good players in key areas. a rookie LT in the top 30 is a huge asset if he can sit a year and learn. too bad we dont have that kind of time. picking OLB, TE, or DE with the first two picks would be great, but if Edwards is sacked 55 times this year, we will be drafting a QB as a top ten pick next year.
by pastj12345 on Apr 17, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
a top 30 LT isn’t the end all be all….but we will see…what’s cool, is now with the trade done, all the people that no college players better can have a more accurate mock all this week :)
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by killascript on Apr 17, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool...
…now i can do another mock draft
by fami1y_first on Apr 17, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So what will that be for you? V7.0?
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
something like that ...
… i’m gonna try and get to V69.0 by draft day
by fami1y_first on Apr 17, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude your trying to cover every prospect out there, aren’t you?
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 17, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couple things
Great to see a guy that we picked up on the undrafted list, and developed him and then got us a great return in value
It is finally a smart move by these Bills…maybe should have been done last year, but maybe the suitors weren’t all in it as much last year for that price. Great that he isn’t in the AFC by the way.
Also, with Sieric latest fanpost, about late round OL, I would rather the bills did not draft an LT in the first, and instead got the best game changing playmakers they can. I mean, I see both sides of the coin, and even on Sirius NFL radio today, a post-trade mock by Pat Kirwan and the other I can’t remember his name, maybe Ross Tucker, have us getting Oher and then Larry English at 28. Brian’s new fave Ayers wasn’t in their first round mock, and they did mention it, but said that he’d probably be there if they did again just before the draft.
Anyway….can someone do a mock without us taking an OT in the first….I’d be very interested to see that…one offensive playmaker and one on D…This is great this BS is finally done
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by killascript on Apr 17, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My mock has two defensive front 7 players in the first round.
No OT until the 4th round I think.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 18, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great value for an undrafted malcontent
I was really excited when the Bills signed Peters. My parents live in Arkansas, so I knew he was really athletic for a big guy. My excitement had waned the last 2 years as he has acted like a tool. So, all in all, we turned an undrafted free agent into a first rounder and all the various extra picks. Now, we’ve got to hope Philly signs him quickly.
I think we should draft Oher at 11, trade up to draft Pettigrew, then go for Unger or the best available C/G.
by o.c.blazerfan on Apr 17, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There was a part of me
Well, there was a part of me that wanted the Bills to refuse to trade and refuse to negotiate with Peters. Simply play or hold out with fines and no compensation for the next 2 years (3 or 4, with franchise tag). I just don’t like giving these guys incentive to hold out and humiliate a team and a city. Not saying I disagree, but I would have enjoyed Peters ruining his career.
by labill on Apr 17, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats pretty messed up man.
You’d rather see the Bills lose than watch Peters get what he wanted?
by Renegade23 on Apr 17, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
It is messed up — I just hate that he got away with his antics. Players shouldn’t be able to whine and hold out to get out of his contract. But you are right, the Bills had to do it.
by labill on Apr 17, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn’t get what he wanted – he got traded.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 18, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lot of whining for a pretty good return on a non-investment
For those still bitter about Peters and his selfish ways, stop and consider that Buffalo just turned an undrafted free agent into a 1st, 4th and (2010) 6th. Meanwhile, most everyone seems to think that dumping Parrish (a 2nd rounder) for a 4th or 5th is a wonderful idea.
Yes, Peters put the team in a terrible position. Yes, he was exceedingly selfish. Yes, he does have far too high an opinion of himself. Yes, Buffalo developed him into a very good (not elite) left tackle, which took time and effort on the part of the coaching staff. And, yes, Buffalo got good value out of him—2 years of good to very good play at LT and 3 draft picks.
Let go of your anger and let the apathy take root. The Grey Side beckons…
by Ron From NM on Apr 17, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Oh, I am not complaining about getting some good picks for his carcass
But I am complaining about now needing to redo several hours worth of Mock workup so it can be posted on schedule, dang you Peters!
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Admit it....
You know that you love the idea of getting to do the whole thing again with an exciting new angle.
by Ron From NM on Apr 17, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok ok ok, so those three hours of my life are now gone
And with the Rhodes signing and a possible Kelsay unloading this is turning into one heck of a weekend for this team. I think I’m going to hold off on doing a mock right now and wait to see what happens on the Roscoe and Kelsay fronts though….
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 17, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What have you heard about Kelsay?
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 18, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post Ron
And should be required reading…
by Cinga on Apr 17, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cinga, you old dog!!!!!
Where ya been?
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by Joe P. on Apr 17, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great to see the Grey Side coming back....
I will have to develop the Red and Blue side to fight or something….
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 18, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
please explain to me the TE situation? i'm being serious
i dont understand where all this excitment for a TE comes from, i really have no idea. there are 2 maybe 3 in the league you have to plan for, so why are we trying to get a great blocking TE that has good hads in the first round? why is a TE so imprtant to a team? Gonzales never went to a super bowl, Gates hasn’t gone to a super bowl, Clark has one one with the greatest mechanical QB ever and at the time the best WR duo, solid line and a good running game. Buffalo has never had an elite TE and we dont play a system that needs one, so i am so lost to why everyone on here gets so excited about Pettigrew that we may take him @ 11?!?!?! or move up from 28 and lose aditional picks to get him. wasnt vernon davis the best TE ever coming out of college as a TE? he looks amazing doesnt he? TE helping the line as an extra body, that great, but that’s what Fine was drafted for last year, in the Fourth round. so please give something that will make me understand why 90% of you want this guy in the 1st round.
by pastj12345 on Apr 17, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is what we should do…simply draft a pass catching tight end. Then teach him the fundamental of simple blocking so he can help in the run game. This tight end should be able to stretch the field and be a safety valve for Trent. This position can be filled by someone we draft in as late as the 4th round in this years draft.
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by Deadpool71 on Apr 17, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want a TE who can move the chains and help in the red zone.
Catching balls or blowing people off the line. It’s another position on the field and we should want to get better at every position.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 18, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too many comments to look through...
Has it been discussed what that 2010 pick may be if Peters makes the Pro Bowl?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 17, 2009 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even though it was initially reported that way...
the pick is not likely conditional. I think it’s just a 6th rounder period.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 18, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello from POD again
About a month ago we talked trade discussion about Peters and I’m shocked Detroit didn’t get in on this and was more shocked about what you received for him. “not enough” if Detroit offered #20 and Backus would take the deal over the one you got from the eagles ????
by msivits on Apr 17, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well why the hell didn't you guys get your ass in gear then?????
If Detroit really wanted Peters, then they should have shown more interest.
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by Joe P. on Apr 17, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh.....Its aighhtt
McCoverage- McGee and McKelvin :D
by Toronto? on Apr 17, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't be so sure folks...
of our Bills going after 2 OLs early as alot of you are suggesting. And don’t be so sure that we’re finished before the draft either… Something tells me a coach in possibly his last season, is not gonna go into the season with 4 of 6 new starters on the line… Yeah, in Dick’s offense anyway, I’m counting the TE…
by Cinga on Apr 17, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Something tells me a coach in possibly his last season, is not gonna go into the season with 4 of 6 new starters on the line…
Unless we trade for Robert Royal, we’re already there. We will have a new TE, new LT, new LG and new C.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 17, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I should have
added “young” to that post… Considering that it is possible anyway, that we’ll not only have a new center, but a rookie at both LT and LG? Along with a new starter at TE in Fine or Shou? Don’t see it happening.. Course it may only be wishful thinking, but OBD needs at leasy one of the later 3 to have decent experience or we’ll be in for a long season….
JMHO….
by Cinga on Apr 17, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now i don't understand what the Bills are thinking about
So someone clue me in up in Buffalo. Now on Yahoo sports, they said the original agreement was for a 1st and 3rd. Then Buffalo comes back and said they want 3 draft picks? I can understand the 1st and 4th round selection………. but the bills couldn’t get one of philly’s many 5th rounders THIS SEASON? why would they settle for a 6th round selection in next years draft that may be at the bottom of the round? To me i would rather have the 3rd rounder, then if i wanted extra selections, just trade back and pick up the additional picks.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 18, 2009 1:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is the 6th an escalator? Depending on Peters performance in 2009 it could go up.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 18, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be nice to see that 6th turn into a 3rd or 4th if he makes another pro-bowl.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 18, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love this comment on NFL.com
In addition to fortifying the Eagles’ running game, Peters’ acquisition should benefit quarterback Donovan McNabb and the team’s aerial attack. Peters has the ability to go one-on-one with the NFC East’s top pass rushers (DeMarcus Ware of the Dallas Cowboys and Osi Umenyiora and Justin Tuck of the New York Giants), and that should free Philadelphia to use more five-man routes in the passing game. Moreover, Peters gives McNabb added confidence that he can fully work through his progressions without worrying about being nailed from his blind side. This could result in more big pass plays as the Eagles incorporate more five- and seven-step drops for McNabb and deeper routes for receivers into their game plan.
Yeah, because he handled Joey Porter, et al really well – especially that safety of the Jets. I think the wake-up comes in Philly. I just hope it waits a year and escalators give the Bills a much better draft pick.
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