War Games: Is moving to draft Andre Smith feasible?
We are now officially within a week of the 2009 NFL Draft! Over this weekend and perhaps throughout portions of next week, NFL teams everywhere will be playing "war games" in their respective war rooms, hammering out pick and trade scenarios and "playing GM" for other teams to get a sense of what they'll need to do to select the player(s) they want.
We here at Buffalo Rumblings will be playing similar games occasionally over the next week as well. Now that our Buffalo Bills have a gaping hole at left tackle thanks to the trade of Jason Peters, the team may seriously look into trading up for a new starter at the position. Alabama's Andre Smith and Mississippi's Michael Oher are the most likely targets for the team - and as it's not a guarantee that either (or both) will last until the Bills' No. 11 overall pick, the team may need to do a bit of maneuvering to get it done.
No, this doesn't mean we think that the Bills consider OT a "must-have" position in the first round. But if they do, they've got some work to do - and the Cincinnati Bengals hold the key to accomplishing the task.
Cincinnati's need at OT the key to the situation
We're not experts on the Bengals, so we'll let smarter folks take the reins here...
Personally, all [Cincinnati] should be focusing on right now is keeping [QB Carson] Palmer healthy with talented pass protection so that we might actually consider being competitive.
Succinct. The Bengals have chosen defenders with their first-round pick in each of the past four seasons; that streak has to end sometime. With their situation at OT dire, by far the most likely position that Cincinnati will be addressing in the first round is OT - particularly since this draft class is loaded with second-round pass rushing talent.
There is one player, however, that Cincinnati may feel compelled to select if he's available before an OT - and that is Wake Forest LB Aaron Curry. His being available sixth overall is not as crazy as it sounds.
Mocking the War Game
Trades will need to happen - including one made by the Bills - if Curry is going to slide and the Bills are serious about securing the services of Oher or, more ideally, Smith.
1. Detroit Lions: Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
We've been hearing for a week or two now that this is close to a done deal, but the Lions are covering their bases and negotiating with the agents of both Curry as well as Baylor OT Jason Smith. I have maintained all along that Detroit would take the quarterback, and I still believe that is their most likely course of action. It's easier to dump big contracts into the quarterback position than any other, and Stafford does have elite potential for all of the skepticism surrounding him.
2. St. Louis Rams: Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
The Rams get the OT market rolling by taking the player many consider to be the best combination of high upside and safe in the class. With Orlando Pace out of town and QB Marc Bulger a constant injury risk, this is one of the safest picks to project if Smith is not the Lions' top overall selection.
3. Kansas City Chiefs: Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
The OT market continues to roll. The Chiefs would love to trade down, and though most mock drafters have Curry going here, it doesn't make a lot of sense - the Chiefs have acquired four linebackers this off-season, including two high-profile ones (Mike Vrabel, Zach Thomas). Considering Scott Pioli's history, I think he'd love to find a way to trade down and select NT B.J. Raji to anchor his 3-4 defense. But he won't take him at No. 3 overall, and if he can't move down (keep your eye on Cleveland here, as they might be inclined to move up for QB Mark Sanchez), he'll take the safe pick.
4. Seattle Seahawks: Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
Two names long linked to the Seahawks have been WR Michael Crabtree and DT B.J. Raji. Then they went out and acquired WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh, DT Colin Cole and DT Cory Redding. OT is still a need, and after the trade of LB Julian Peterson a player like Curry would be awfully tempting, but the Seahawks have always been curious drafters. Matt Hasselbeck is entering his twilight years as an NFL quarterback, and Sanchez would be in a completely ideal situation learning for a couple of years behind a player as intelligent as Hasselbeck.
5. Cleveland Browns: Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
Reports are indicating that the Browns are going to take either Sanchez or Crabtree. There's an outside shot that they try to sneak ahead of Seattle to pick up Sanchez; the Browns' new regime clearly aren't infatuated with either Derek Anderson or Brady Quinn. However, in the event they can't move up (they only have five draft picks, after all), they'll stay put and take Crabtree - a smart move considering the Browns' unique predicament at wideout.
6. Cincinnati Bengals: Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
As discussed above, there's one player that the Bengals would pass on an OT for - and here he is, ripe for the picking. You have to believe that the idea of teaming Curry with 2008 first-round pick Keith Rivers has got to be enticing to Marvin Lewis, a coach that has been working hard to build his defense into a dominant unit. Curry is a safer pick at this point than either of the two OT prospects remaining as well - and I think Curry would be the pick in this scenario.
7. Oakland Raiders: Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
There exists an outside chance that head coach Tom Cable will exert some of his influence (if it exists at all) and take an OT here - but the Raiders have signed three of them (Khalif Barnes, Marcus Johnson, Erik Pears) this off-season. Far more likely, the Raiders will look for the best athlete at a position of need that they can find; in this scenario, I think that Maclin, DE Brian Orakpo and Raji would be the leading candidates. In the end, Maclin is the typical Al Davis pick - fast and sexy with oodles of upside. The Raiders could actually use a WR, however, so this pick makes sense.
8. Buffalo Bills (f/JAX): Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
Here it is, folks - No. 8 overall is the highest I think the Bills would be willing to move up for an OT - and since both Smith and Oher are available, I think they'd pull the trigger, particularly since Jacksonville is desperate to move down. It might only cost us a pair of fourth-round picks (along with No. 11 overall) to do it - and there are some who believe that it's a possibility. I'm not so sure the Bills would be thrilled with the idea of swapping three picks for one, unless they feel like moving a future pick - but for the sake of the war game, let's assume the linked report is accurate.
Both Green Bay and San Francisco (Nos. 9 and 10 overall, respectively) are in the market for an OT, and in particular Smith, a player the Bills are high on. It's not clear that the Bills are desperate enough for an OT to move up - but no one should discount that possibility, especially in the case of Smith. In this scenario, the Bills would be giving up Nos. 11, 110 and 121 for a player that has more potential than any OT in the draft this year - and an immediate replacement for the departed Peters.
There's a poll. And a comments section. Put on your war room hats and get brainstorming, Bills fans.
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Buffalo would have to be really high on Andre Smith to trade up. With that said, the Jags are looking to trade down. Of course, the Lions can make a better offer than Buffalo—#20 and #33 for #8.
The Lions could, but they won't.
With a team that has so many holes, I can’t imagine them giving up that much for drafting a rookie OT when they can stay put and get a decent consolation prize in either Britton or Beatty at #20 or #33 respectively.
Why not?
Trading 20 and 33 for 8 nets the Lions Stafford and Andre Smith in the first two rounds. That’s not a bad day, by any stretch of the imagination. Yes, the Lions would ideally like to maintain the number of picks they have (2 3rds but no 4th or 5th round selections) but Andre Smith won’t be available at, say, #11.
I don't mean to suggest that I know what the Lions want to do,
but I imagine taking Stafford, Matthews/Cushing, and Britton/Beatty with their first 3 picks looks better on paper than taking Stafford and Smith and then not having a pick till the 3rd round.
That depends largely on the grades the Lions have on Andre Smitth, Oher, Britton and Beatty. If they see a big drop from Smith to Oher and another from Oher to Britton and still another from Britton to Beatty then moving up to get Smith or Oher could make quite a bit of sense to them….particularly if they keep the same net number of picks.
I said its feasible........
because it is………but would I want to do it?
Nope.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 19, 2009 3:06 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah I agree.
I don’t think I’d want to do this trade – but maybe I’m just over-valuing Langston Walker as our LT. And I think I’d only make this trade for a player like Smith, simply b/c he has the most upside and if it wasn’t for his combine shenanigans, he’d be a strong consideration for the top pick.
Come on, the reason, cali! :)
Like our OTs?
Don’t want to trade 3 picks for 1?
Something else?
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 19, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
oh my bad.....
Im watching the Angels game so didnt go into details………
Im perfectly fine with letting Walker play LT and trying Bell out at RT………
plus with all the extra picks we can get a decent OT in the later rounds (see Sireric’s mock)
I dont thinking moving up 3 spots is a good move…….when we need to add quality depth all around.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 19, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
whoops Erics mock had a mid round DE.........
but still addressed OT at 11……either way……..I dont think trading 2 mid round picks (plus the first round pick) to move up 3 spots is really worth it.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 19, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
plus......
Smith has already shown that he cant exactly be the most trustworthy kid………
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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 19, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
For the record, I tend to agree with you. I know the Bills like Smith, but I’d rather they let the top ten picks work themselves out and then just take the top player on their board. I’m not as comfortable with Walker/Bell as you are, though…
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 19, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Well Im not as comfortable with Dick Jauron as you are ;)
sooooooo
yeah :)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 19, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think i would make this trade, if both Oher and smith are available at 8... because in this scenario one of them should definately fall to 11
now i know there is no guarantee of that, but it is likely that one would fall to 11, and i would rather have Oher than andre smith.. i just think he has too many red flags.. afterall he was beat by robert ayers for 4 sacks in one day, so i think that oher is going to be the better pro, and is the safer pick..
I think the would make the trade if Smith is available. I think (and by what Brian has been saying) that OBD loves Smith but could care less about OHEr. I think the only real requirement for this trade to happen is Smith’s availability, and Oher would have absolutly no factor in the decision to make the trade or not.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 19, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
OH and let me guess brian is in the bills draft room..
now i believe that there is probably some buzz in buffalo about smith, but you can’t count on the stuff that you hear always being true.. maybe they are saying that they like smith so much to get other teams going on him so Oher falls.. it’s not out of the realm of possibilities.. before the draft you never know what to believe.. teams always say they really like one guy and end up taking someone else at the position.. teams bring guys in for visits and then end up taking a guy they never had any contact w/.. so because brian has heard that the bills are realy high on smith (and they very well may be) doesn’t mean that they are going to trade up to take him, or even take him at all.. now if he does fall to 11 i would expect him to be the pick.. but if he doesn’t and oher is there i would expect him to be the pick as well.. possibly or they may wait on a OT all together.
Haha. I agree. Just because I’ve heard that the Bills like Smith (and I have) doesn’t mean they dislike Oher.
I wish I was in the Bills’ draft room right now.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 19, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If it can land us Smith, I'd o the trade
I think it is VERY feasable, and I do think that Smith will last until #8, so this would be a very good trade for us. Although I’d be more comfortable trading a 4th from this year and a 4th from next year’s draft, simply because I think theres a chance that Chip Vaughn falls to the forth and I’d LOVE to see him in a bills uniform.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 19, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions
The guy that is making the assumption has us taking Oher instead of
Smith for that trade. I know that Brian likes Smith more. But who does the Bills like more?
BTW… the quotes from Peters from the press conference are a perfect example of what a poor teammate Peters was and only cared about himself.
But who does the Bills like more?
Didn’t we answer this for you already? The Bills like Smith more! :)
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 19, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, we might not. No guarantee we’ll take either…
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 19, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I never thought I would say this,
but what about the difference in money and signability by moving up from #11 to #8? I vagely remember another small-market team, the Jaguars, trading up to #8 last year, picking Derrick Harvey, but they were unable to sign him until nearly the start of the season. Harvey missed all of training camp and never seemed to catch up.
My apologies to anyone on this blog, if you read it, for using the word that I did in another post. I didn’t think it was one of the “off-limits” words or a cuss word, but it was more of a common-sense thing. Sorry :-)
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
At 11 – My guess is 5 years, 20-25M somewhere in there….
At 8 – Harvey signed for 5 years, 24M last year so I would imagine a bump of something like 5-10% so…. this year it would be 5 years, 25.5-27M over the course of the contract, maybe a smidge more.
But if you factor in the amount of money those two fourth rounders would be making it’s a wash salary wise when they each make 500k+ each.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 21, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
If Andre Smith is drafted by the Bills...
…then Brandon and Jauron should be fired immediately. The last thing the Bills need is yet another ego-case who won’t play. Haven’t they learned their lesson?
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
I’m not totally opposed to drafting ego-cases, but not at pick #8 at a position we do not really need.
I don’t mind the ego-case so much as I do the attitude of one who will not work to hone his craft. Smith has demonstrated that he simply will not put forth the effort necessary to become a truly great player.
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can totally see this scenario as “plausible” “feasible” but I’m not sure where I stand on it. I guess I’m more curious as to what the Bills really think of any current OLineman on the Bills that could play LT? Many execs have stated that Andre Smith may fit much better as a RT than a LT. But I assume the BIlls would have him as a LT. I guess they need to determine out of the millions of scenarios what’s better for the Bills? Move up to 8 and land Smith, or stay at #11, and move up from #28 to land someone in the lower 20’s? They are giong to get 2-3 potential 2009 starters in this draft. They had better they do their damdest to get the 2-3 players right and at the right value
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I think this is a feasible thing, but I’m not sure I want to get rid of two fourth-rounders to do it. We could certainly use those.
Unrelated, but Brian- why’d my FanShot get deleted? I’m not upset- I just wanna know what I did so I can, you know, not do that again.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 19, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
Not sure. What was it on?
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 19, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The PFT article about Peters comments (being unaware of giving up 11.5 sacks)
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 19, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah. You did nothing wrong – Ron had a FanPost up about it and I try to adhere to a “one FanPost/FanShot/story per topic” rule to reduce clutter. Not your fault – somebody just beat you to it. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 19, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, gotcha- didn’t see that. Thanks!
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 19, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Feasible but no
I just don’t like moving up to take a tackle, and losing picks…
One of them would slip to 11, but maybe more importantly, such as in Donny Banks’ mock 6.0 (pre Peters trade) he has the Eagles taking a LT at 28…and I wonder if LT, the six-foot-soxer from arizona St would be better to have, and Ayers at 11, or can we get Smith and still ayers at 28….or some scenario where we get top talent at OLB/DE and LT in either of the spots.
It seems there are a lot of options, and while i am not confused, I guess I am more just…unsure of who are or is the better prospects to help our team. I would like Andre Smith, but is he Mike Williams? If so, it would suck
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One of them would slip to 11
In the SBN mock both were gone by 11 and you assume that Oher and Smith are closely graded.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 21, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Another thought
it looks like in the scenarios you are talking about Oher, Smith, or Everett Brown may be available. Who is opposed to getting a starting DE at 11 and then OT or OG at 28?
or
We my be able to trade down ourselves if someone wants to move up to get Freeman before Denver does and then we have two picks in the late first round and some picks to trade back into the second or third to get greater talent.
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instead of writing alot on how i dont want this to happen
ill just +1 this comment.
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by silverstreak3k on Apr 19, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't Make That Trade
If the draft played out as stated, then at #8 Smith, Oher, Raji, and Orakpo are all still on the board. Even if we miss out on both OTs either Raji or Orakpo will still be there. I’d gladly take either one as a “consolation” prize at 11 and look for Beatty, Britton, or Topou at 28 or 42.
Trading Up
I do not see us trading up from # 11 under virtually any circumstance.
Geronimo
MINE TOO!!!
If I wrote a book on the NFL draft, chapter 1 would be about not trading up. I absolutely hate everything about it unless you are getting a franchise QB…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Mine three.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 19, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Whew!
With so many holes to fill I was hoping Buffalo wouldn’t trade up—at least not with any 2009 picks.
Thank God
I know I said that I saw it as feasable, but I’d much rather keep as many draft picks as possible in order to have as many chances as possible to land a player that will pan out. We need as many quality pics as possible IMO.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 20, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Geronimo, do you think OBD is happy filling LT with someone already on the roster? I pray your answer is no. I can’t see these guys that have to ‘win now’ going with Walker/Chambers/Bell at LT this year. It just doesn’t make any sense to me. They better go LT at #11 or it is going to be a long year.
Notice he said nothing about trading up from 28.
:-) Pettigrew here we come…. right?
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 21, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Curry is the only player I would want to move up to get, but even then I’d just as soon see the Bills use all their picks for BPA at the spot.
I do believe the posted scenario is feasible, but not one I’d want to see happen. If it were Curry, though….
by thefourwinds on Apr 19, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I love it!
I don’t think Curry will be available at 11 thoguh. I think the situation presented in this post is feasible but I would not like to see the Bills do it for many of the reasons mentioned above, particularly norcalangelsfan. The only player I would like to see the Bills trade up to get is Curry. I think he is a once-in-a-decade type player and like many of you, I do not want to see Keith Ellison as the opening day starter. If they don’t make a move to get curry then I want them to stay at #11.
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by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on Apr 19, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
You shouldn’t. Nothing is out of the realm of possibility on draft day.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 19, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course it’s feasible, but I’m
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
… opposed to finishing sentences? :)
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 19, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Im sure it just finishes with an angry rant about Chris Kelsay
;) K
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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 19, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, one more Kelsey rant, and K is going to have a seizure.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 20, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I have ranted in a while
on him. Just thrown some jabs in.
I will likely post a rant next week depending on how the draft goes….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Well I just don’t know what happened to the rest of that….
It’s feasible, but I’m definitely not in favor, nor do I think it’s a great idea. I really hate trading up, hate giving up draft picks. This franchise has been so bad at that too.
I’d rather let the picks play out and take Smith or Oher, if available. I believe at the least, one will be available. If not, I don’t want to think about the resulting scenarios.
Are we sure the Chiefs will take another OT this year? Didn’t they take Branden Albert to play LT, or is he not capable?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Drafttek has Buffalo taking
1 LB Cushing
1 DE Ayers
2 OG Wood
3 TE Casey
4 DT Jean-Francois
4 OG Fulton
5 S Pegues
6 OT Gardner
7 DT McDonald
I don’t know about the bottom five but the top four would be a pretty good haul….though with the choice of Cushing and Matthews you’d have to think it would be Matthews…
I could live with the first 4 picks……… seems pretty sound thinking. Round 4 and on i’m not too sure about those players. Never heard of them.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 20, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions
There isn’t a player in this draft class that I dislike more than Brian Cushing. Really down on him.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 20, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Confused
I find it interesting the Bills seem to be looking Smith’s way when I’ve yet to hear anything positive about him since the Combine. Everything I’ve heard from the sports channels to draft guides raises red flags all over the place. Do the Bills possibly know something everyone else doesn’t?
why trade jason peters then ?
dont tell me money if we are just going to turn around and trade the pics we got for an unknown . im not saying we should have kept him . but 28 is our pick for the o-line or everrete brown if he drops
Please the playoffs again in my life time
It's good to hear Geronimo chime in on trading up...
I can see a scenario where the bills end up with 4 picks from 15-60 which some trades going down and moving up from 28 to get a player or up from the third round into the second. G makes a good point in that 9 rooks aren’t going to make the roster so combining two draft picks into one is probably a good idea for teams like the Lions or Browns who are starting over.
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