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Rumblings Scouting Report: Alabama OT Andre Smith


Alabama OT Andre Smith (Atlanta Journal-Constitution)

As the 2009 NFL Draft approaches, the editorial staff at Buffalo Rumblings will begin profiling draft prospects that may end up being potential targets of the Buffalo Bills.  We're back on the offensive side of the ball this morning, profiling Alabama OT Andre Smith.

When your star left tackle is whining like Jay Cutler - leading to days upon days of trade speculation - each day, offensive tackle prospects look more appealing.  If Jason Peters ends up being traded by the Buffalo Bills, the team will be forced to look at replacing him via the draft - and Alabama's Andre Smith tops their list.

We've already talked some about Smith in these parts - in fact, the majority of the Rumblings community is so fed up with Peters that they'd prefer Smith at left tackle in 2009.  In order to get a better handle on Smith the player, I was able to procure a couple of game tapes, take some notes, and talk with a couple of scouts about the draft's most controversial player (to date).  We've also enlisted the help of outsidethesidelines, one of a team of writers over at SB Nation's Alabama blog, Roll Bama Roll.  Here's all you need to know about Andre Smith.

Andre Smith - Offensive Tackle, Alabama
6'4", 325 pounds, 5.28-second 40 yard dash
Junior

Strengths: Physical, dominant run-blocker... Ideal bulk, with long arms to keep defenders in check... Very fluid athlete that anchors well and will never be overpowered... Great use of hands... Quick feet and good mobility... Absolutely destroys defenders at the second level... Has the "mean streak" that separates the great from the good... Solid football IQ... Durable... Plenty of experience against top competition... Considerable amount of upside, with the potential to be elite - and soon.

Weaknesses: Doesn't move particularly well laterally; as a result, he occasionally struggles with speed rushers... Inconsistent in footwork and overall technique... Reportedly has struggled to keep his weight in check... Tended to let himself skate by on talent alone in college; full effort was not always present... Character issues have arisen after being suspended for Alabama's 2008 bowl game and leaving the '09 Scouting Combine prematurely.

NFL Comparison: Jason Peters, Buffalo Bills
There are moments when you watch this kid play that Smith's resemblance to Peters is uncanny.  Their playing styles are similar - dominant in the run game, very much above average in the pass game, marvelous athletes for men their size.  Both are 6'4", which is considered shorter than the ideal tackle specimen, but make up for it with long arms.  Smith generally pays at around 340 pounds, which is Peters' listed weight.  Even down to their reportedly eccentric personalities, these players are eerily similar.  The difference? Smith has never held out in Buffalo, and he'd enter the 2009 season with a clean slate.  His bridges remain char-free; the same certainly can't be said for Peters.

Our interview with Roll Bama Roll appears after the jump.  Topics include Smith's eccentric behavior at the Combine, his bowl game suspension, and general observations on his playing abilities from those who watched him play on a weekly basis.

Star-divide

Rumblings: What do you make of Andre's perceived weight/character/Combine fiasco issues?  Did he ever have any issues besides the bowl game suspension while at 'Bama?

Roll Bama Roll: I honestly do not know what to make of Andre's Combine fiasco, and the bowl game suspension for that matter. Prior to the announcement of the Sugar Bowl suspension, no one had uttered the first bad word about Andre since he had arrived at Alabama in the summer of 2006. He was almost universally regarded as a high-character kid, with good academics to boot, coming out of Birmingham's Huffman High, and again nothing bad was ever said about him during his entire time at Alabama. When the Sugar Bowl suspension hit, and then followed by his aforementioned weight / character / Combine fiasco, I think it just took everyone by surprise and no one really knows what to make of it. My gut instinct is that Andre is the good kid he has always been regarded as all along, but someone who is still pretty young and who just happened to make a couple of bad decisions. I think the likely scenario was that he's generally a good kid, but he got in a bit of trouble prior to the Sugar Bowl, and then kind of zoned out for a month or so after that, and by that point it was too late to make up all of the lost conditioning work, thus leading to the Combine fiasco. That said, though, again, it's just my gut instinct, and only Andre really knows what happened.

Rumblings: Is there any weakness to Smith's game?  What would you consider his greatest asset?

Roll Bama Roll: The biggest weakness to Smith's game is his ability to handle speed rushers off the edge, but even so, that's not much of a weakness. He struggled with that as a true freshman, but he progressively got better over time as he lost weight and his conditioning improved.  By the 2008 season it was essentially a non-issue. We left him isolated on an island almost all the time this past season, and regardless of the caliber of players he was facing (and he was facing some very good ones in the SEC), they could never do anything with him. In particular, LSU really tried to beat him with a combination of Tyson Jackson and Rahim Alem - the former a sure-fire first round draft pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, and the latter the SEC's league leader in sacks - and neither ever laid a finger on John Parker Wilson.

As for his assets, it's hard to say which one would be considered his greatest. He has a lot of positive attributes and it's hard to narrow it down. Much is required of an offensive lineman of his caliber, and he can do it all. If pressed, though, I would say his greatest asset is his combination of size, power, and athleticism in the running game. He's a mauling blocker with great size and strength, but he's also very athletic to boot. Andre lived on the second level in the running game like no other lineman in college football this past year, so I'd probably say that is his greatest strength.

Rumblings: Coming out of the SEC, Smith has obviously faced some very good competition, including great speed rushers, but questions remain about his ability to play the left side in the NFL.  Do you think he's a good enough pass blocker to hold his own against the NFL's best speed rushers?

Roll Bama Roll: I do think Smith is a good enough of a pass blocker to play left tackle, provided he plays in good physical shape. In a physical sense, I don't think there are any real questions that Andre has the raw ability needed to be a star left tackle. If he shows up in good shape, he's going to be a dominant player after he acclimates himself to the transition from the college game to the professional game. The real question with him, I think, is how does he perform if he doesn't arrive in good shape and his conditioning continues to be a concern. If that's the case, he's going to struggle to play left tackle (and should be inside at guard), and I think that's where the real risk of drafting him is. Even so, I don't see him being a major risk. He is a good kid who isn't going to have any serious off-field problems, and as I said earlier, with his unique combination of size, power, and athleticism in the running game, he should be able to be one of the best guards in the league, even if conditioning issues keep him from playing tackle. And to that end, despite all of the negative talk about him being a risky pick the past couple of months, I still feel he's probably one of the safer picks in the draft.

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Possibly, the issue becomes this for the Bills

1- DO we trade Peters before or during the draft
2- IF Peters is with the team and resigned, and Smith falls to us at #11, do we take our own player or trade the hell out of the spot as tackle hungry teams come calling.

I think Smith could be a good NFL player, he held his own in the SEC which is without arguement the toughest conference in College ball. He has had some charecter flags raised because of his behavior during what is the biggest period in his life as an athlete. IF the Bills feel they can get it all out of him on the field, keep his weight in check AND they move Peters, I would have a hard time killing them for taking him.

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Apr 2, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with the Roll Bama blogger and believe he should play guard instead......

If I were drafting him……..that’s where I’d play him.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 2, 2009 1:59 AM EDT reply actions  

It just so happens that the Bills have a hole there.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 2, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

But you don't pay 11 overall starting OT money to play guard.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 2, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

No instead you overpay for DE's and FA Guards...........

and dont get your moneys worth……….

I’d rather pay Smith the type of money McKelvin got……..then pay Kelsay, Schobel and Dock what they got.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 2, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed
I’d rather pay Smith the type of money McKelvin got……..then pay Kelsay, Schobel and Dock what they got.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 2, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone would disagree with that.

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by Kurupt on Apr 3, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

and obviously I dont mean you MRW.....im just sayin lol

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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 2, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are free to argue with me as much as possible.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 2, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The possibilities

This kid reminds me alot of Rueben Brown. The kid did everything that was asked of him. I watched a bunch of his games this year. He was just solid. So let’s get him and play him at guard while Peters cries about not being paid. Force Peters to see his replacement everyday and see if his play improves or not.

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by Deadpool71 on Apr 2, 2009 7:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Andre Smith wears #71, too!

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 2, 2009 7:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Really?
Reportedly has struggled to keep his weight in check

You get to see first hand that this is an issue by going to youtube and checking out his workout. He also exercised the poor judgement to remove his shirt when he did not have to, exposing breasts that would make plenty of women envious.
The guy has little to no muscular definition, which to me is not a good sign.

I've been feeling Buffalo ill.

by ChipShot on Apr 2, 2009 7:48 AM EDT reply actions  

The guy has little to no muscular definition, which to me is not a good sign.

Really? Even in the famous shirtless photo flying around the web, you can see that the guy’s arms and legs are freaking monstrous. So what if he’s got man boobs? I don’t care what his cup size is. I care if he knocks the snot out of defenders. He does that.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s got more than boobs. He’s got a chest protector of goo covering his frontside.

~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 2, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

It makes me more stout against injuries....

:-)

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 2, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

He also exercised the poor judgement to remove his shirt when he did not have to, exposing breasts that would make plenty of women envious.

It’s not like this was some secret. When the guys weigh in before their workouts they do it without a shirt on and in spandex….

~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 2, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Atleast that thick coat of blubber will keep him warm in Dec and Jan, right?

Wearing this Jumpsuit, my new Nikes and drinking the Bill's flavoured Kool-Aid pretty much all my life.

by Stabby Mcshank on Apr 2, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, if he plays for us, I do not expect to see thermals on him come game day

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Apr 2, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had illegal contact with an agent (I’m assuming his current one). That agent certainly hasn’t done him many favors.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2009 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Packers

-Just read that the PAckers might be interested in drafting Smith. He did terrible at the combine, only doing 19 reps of 225 lbs.
-He has weight issues, but was quite a player in college and is very strong below the waist, getting a lot of drive from his legs.
- His stock really dropped after missing the Combine.

by BuffaloWhiner on Apr 2, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions  

He did terrible at the combine, only doing 19 reps of 225 lbs.

Any prospect with long arms is going to struggle on the bench. I have no idea why year after year the low bench rep totals for linemen surprise people.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

One consideration

in general, all else being equal:

Long arms + small chest = less reps
Short arms + large chest = more reps

So when you consider Smiths large chest, or cup size…haha. I think you get the point.

Jared Allen only benched 225 pounds 13 times. We all understand, especially in the trenches, that core functional football playing strength is more important than pure weight room strength. These combine drills are just a sliver of the whole pie of evaluation, anyway.

I am more concerned about Smith’s mental toughness (or lack of), conditioning, and recovery speed versus NFL pass rushers.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 2, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree Fort. Looking at the combine numbers are great, but you have to know what the results mean.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 2, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

And

Chris Villarrial bench pressed 225 pounds 36 times.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 2, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Leif Larsen bench pressed 225 lbs 45 times.

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by thatguy34 on Apr 2, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

As you mentioned

that wonderful weight room strength was put to good use on the field when he was getting beat, lying on his back, and pushing guys off of his chest. LOL.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 2, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha ha. Exactly.

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by thatguy34 on Apr 2, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I’m not all that interested in bench numbers…mostly because I don’t want to see my tackle lying on his back, trying to push somone off of himself too many times.

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by thatguy34 on Apr 2, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

in our mock

I took Smith to the Packers, cuz Ted Thompson is smart enough to know talent, and he won’t be gun shy about Smith’s character concerns. I think the chances he lands with the Packers if Raji is gone as extremely likely

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by MARVelous on Apr 2, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Smith

I’m at a crossroads with this kid. I watched enough bama games to see what this kid is capable of in the run game. We have a balanced Run/Pass ratio in Buffalo so I’d feel comfortable with him, as he wouldn’t be left alone on an island in our offense as we are not a pass first team. I’m sure he’d do OK as a first year rookie LT.

He never had his weight issues dictate his play in college, which means Nick Saban and Mike Shula were both able to keep Smith in check. His combine and pro day scare me, but ultimately are only a fraction of what you judge a player on.

Let me put it this way. I don’t think Smith is a long-term solution. His character issues are too frightening. What happens when he has a bad game? Comes to camp overweight? Gets verbally abused by Sean Kugler? Gets Trent Edwards killed like Jason Peters did numerous times last year? I wonder about the kid’s mental toughness and ability to persevere.

I think though, in a must-win year for DJ and the Bills, if Peters is traded, I can live with Smith being our pick at #11 if somehow he falls to us. I trust the FO to get him signed, into camp immediately to work with our strength trainers and fine tune that body. I think it could be a detrimental move for the long-term future of our franchise bc Smith reminds me too much of a player that won’t love Buffalo and will feel isolated and alone. Maybe, a lot like Jason Peters

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by MARVelous on Apr 2, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Kugler’s a goner Marv – which could be a good thing for McCargo

Anyway Kenny, Yellow MegaMan is only $8.95, so maybe your mom can put it on layaway and make payments for a year or two

by J2 on Apr 2, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kugler’s the O-Line coach…

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

ahh s*** its Kollar gone right? i’m a moron

Anyway Kenny, Yellow MegaMan is only $8.95, so maybe your mom can put it on layaway and make payments for a year or two

by J2 on Apr 2, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

in my defense though – i’m on NyQuil/Dayquil and antibiotics – so i’m basically a walking zombie right now.

Anyway Kenny, Yellow MegaMan is only $8.95, so maybe your mom can put it on layaway and make payments for a year or two

by J2 on Apr 2, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK...

we’ll let it slide…this one time…hahahaha!

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 2, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

excuses, excuses, excuses

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by Kurupt on Apr 2, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

zombie right now.

braaaaaiiiiiiiinnnnnssssssss

Anyway Kenny, Yellow MegaMan is only $8.95, so maybe your mom can put it on layaway and make payments for a year or two

by J2 on Apr 2, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

and former D-Line coach Bill Kollar is now coaching in Houston.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 2, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

What happens when he has a bad game? Comes to camp overweight? Gets verbally abused by Sean Kugler?

Probably laughs in Kugler’s face. As he probably should.

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by Kurupt on Apr 2, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

This guy has Mike Williams smell all over him

Andre Smith is the one tackle prospect I hope the Bills do not take, and not because of any perceived fat mass. He doesn’t seem like he’ll bring any personal motivation to realizing his potential as an NFL player.

by Dyl on Apr 2, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

You smelled Mike Williams?

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 2, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s called Mike Williams by Odeon. They’ve done studies ya know, 60 percent of the time, he becomes a fat, lazy bust of a pick every time.

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by thatguy34 on Apr 2, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha

rec’d!

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by Kurupt on Apr 2, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn’t seem like he’ll bring any personal motivation to realizing his potential as an NFL player.

If you read the comments from Roll Bama Roll, he was a model citizen up until the bowl game fiasco. I’m not going to let two mistakes drop the kid down. He’s talented. I have to believe that Buffalo’s coaches can keep him in line. I don’t think it’d take as much work as everyone seems to think it will.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Bills simply have to draft a LT at #11

Peters has screwed us out of the option of trading down in this draft. If the worst case senario with Smith is that he will have to play at LG instead of LT, it seems like a no brainer if he is on the board.

"In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone? ...the Great Depression, passed the... Anyone? Anyone? The tariff bill? The Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act? Which, anyone? Raised or lowered? ...raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression. Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. "Voodoo" economics." - Ben Stein

by Joe P. on Apr 2, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Has any guard ever been drafted at or before #11?

Besides Robert Gallery, of course. I’m sure that Gallery was drafted with the intention of starting him at left tackle for 10 years. Would drafting a guard be good value at #11?

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 2, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, but he is not being drafted to be a guard.
If the worst case senario with Smith is that he will have to play at LG

As opposed to a Williams style bust. Their is always some risk in drafting a player. Best case would be he develops into a top LT.

"In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone? ...the Great Depression, passed the... Anyone? Anyone? The tariff bill? The Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act? Which, anyone? Raised or lowered? ...raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression. Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. "Voodoo" economics." - Ben Stein

by Joe P. on Apr 2, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Marshall Faulk was right all along

about the Bills needing a new left tackle. Emphasis on the word “new”.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 2, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Smith would be a starting guard, or a fall back option at LT.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 2, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Marshall Faulk was right all along

My eyes are bleeding…NOOOOOOOOOOOOO Faulk can’t be right!!!!!!!

"In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone? ...the Great Depression, passed the... Anyone? Anyone? The tariff bill? The Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act? Which, anyone? Raised or lowered? ...raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression. Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. "Voodoo" economics." - Ben Stein

by Joe P. on Apr 2, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Faulk

That guy says some of the stupidest things. To me, Faulk talking on TV means press fast forward.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 2, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I run into him on the NFL network I get suddenly interested in whats on the Food Network and switch the channel

I deal with enough idiots every day so I don’t need free stupidity

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Apr 2, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

and to think that Faulk gets paid for his “expert analysis” on that show…

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 2, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

and

while Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe are penciled in as top 5 picks, who’s to say someone doesn’t take Andre Smith in the top 5-10 anyhow? I mean he used to be the consensus top 5 pick a few months ago, and maybe he will become one anyhow. So maybe Monroe will slide to us, or Michael Oher will be available. Either way, hopefully #11, will end up being a fortuitous draft slot to be in. With Denver now, possibly moving up with the picks it acquires for Cutler, a talented player may fall to us at #11, or a team may come calling on draft day, in dire need of acquiring our #11 pick

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by MARVelous on Apr 2, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah,

and for what it’s worth, NFL Network’s Jamie Dukes has repeatedly said that Andre Smith will not fall past #10 (San Francisco). Maybe Dukes talked with Singletary, maybe Singletary was blowing smoke, maybe Singletary pulled down his pants to make a point, who knows.

Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.

by Fort Worth on Apr 2, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

IF we can fall back from #11 if all the top 10 tackles are gone, we can go for Loadholt or Britton later

They are not like the top 10 tackles of course, but still better than trying to see Walker play the left side ALL season long.

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Apr 2, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smith vs. Oher

I really like his ability to dominate in the running game, something Jason Peters never has done with a great deal of consistency. Ideally, he would start at RT, where he could dominate in the run game, and then be moved over to LT as he progresses, but Langston Walker’s lack of athleticism isn’t a cocktail I would want to serve Trent. I really like Andre, but my question would to myself be who to take if Michael Oher was on the board as well (and if we of course had traded Jason Peters). Oher is the best pass-blocker in the draft, though he struggles as a run-blocker. Andre Smith is the best run-blocker in the draft, but he has struggled as a pass-blocker.
This would be a difficult dilemma, especially since both of the two guys have tremendous potential.

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Apr 2, 2009 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I really like his ability to dominate in the running game, something Jason Peters never has done with a great deal of consistency.

Really? Peters has been excellent as a run blocker the past few seasons.

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by Kurupt on Apr 2, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

And where, pray tell, has he struggled as a pass blocker?

The guy from the Bama blog sais he was excellent at pass blocking.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 2, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other than his mental concerns, the biggest problem I have with Smith is his ability to handle quick players. Despite playing in the SEC, he didn’t face players like Dwight Freeney, Adalius Thomas, Gaines Adams, John Abraham, Mario Williams, etc. I’d be afraid of how he could compete against those guys this season as a rookie. Watching Smith’s highlight videos, he’s more of a mauler than a guy who can handle speed and quickness. For the most part it looked like he simply engulfed defenders at the initial point of contact, which is great and all, but I don’t think he can do that too often in the NFL.

If I’m an NFL team, I wouldn’t be hesitant to draft Smith because of this issue, but I would be damn sure he loses a little weight and firms it up a bit. He needs to be in better shape to handle speed rushers in the NFL, IMO.

And what is it with Alabama. They had Smith and that tubbo Terrence Cody this year. I can’t imagine what a pregame meal involving those two would look like. 4 slaughtered cows, a pound of hash browns and a full cheesecake?

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by Kurupt on Apr 2, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

You forgot a 5 gal bucket of grits swimming in lard!!! Ummm Ummmmmmm

"In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone? ...the Great Depression, passed the... Anyone? Anyone? The tariff bill? The Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act? Which, anyone? Raised or lowered? ...raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression. Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. "Voodoo" economics." - Ben Stein

by Joe P. on Apr 2, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Post on Smith

Wrote a post on Smith being like Mike Williams it was there then poof gone—-no cuss words just an opinion—-what gives?

by Goose22 on Apr 2, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Not the first time that’s happened. I don’t know why, but we’ve had a lot of things go missing recently, including some of my own comments. I’ve got a ticket in to the SBN techs to take a look. Sorry!

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have been saving all of my posts and stories onto microsoft word.

as a backup guys. I suggest the same for everyone who wants to post fanposts! :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 2, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goose,

Welcome. Dropped the ball MRW. Hope you stick around and post here more.

"In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone? ...the Great Depression, passed the... Anyone? Anyone? The tariff bill? The Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act? Which, anyone? Raised or lowered? ...raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression. Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. "Voodoo" economics." - Ben Stein

by Joe P. on Apr 2, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have had a few dropped also. Sometimes comments just get lost. It seems to be a bug in the system that needs to get worked out.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 2, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeez, how do you guys remembers replies that get lost? Posts, yes I would remember those, but specific replies? I need to start taking some gingko biloba I guess.

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Apr 3, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand your problem. You make 735 comments in every thread, so it’s easy to overlook 1 or 2 getting lost.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 3, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

It happens

I’ve slowed a bit in my old age now, though

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Apr 3, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

The great OTs keep coming.

Last year there were a lot. This year there are a lot. I like all four of the top OTs and all of them could be gone by the time we pick.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Apr 2, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

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