Rumblings Authors Mock, V2.0 - Matt's Take
Here is the goal for my last Rumblings Authors Mock. I am going to attempt to address every need I think the Buffalo Bills have with capable players. I'm not going to go crazy with "if this guy falls two rounds" or anything like that, but it will certainly take some strange twists and turns. My first two mocks mean very little at this point in time, but here is the pre-free agency version and my post free-agency version. They are at least a starting point of players I like and positions of need.
Identifying positions of need
The first step in this mock was determining every need I think needs to be addressed. On offense we need a new starting left tackle to replace Jason Peters, a new starting guard to replace Dockery, and one to two depth players along the line. Even if you think Derek Fine can step up and start this year, something I wouldn't be against, we need another tight end on the roster. On defense at least one new pass rushing defensive end would be ideal and an upgrade over Keith Ellison at linebacker would be nice as well. Adding a safety who could supplant Bryan Scott and rotational depth at defensive tackle would be a bonus. That's nine players but with only seven picks that won't be easy to accomplish.
Trades
Jason Peters was traded. Reportedly the Eagles gave us their lower first round pick (28) and their fourth round pick. This needed to happen before draft day in order to allow the Bills to refocus their draft strategy.
I am also trading Roscoe Parrish. He has become expendable with James Hardy/Steve Johnson and Leodis McKelvin coming in last year. Put Leo back returning punts and I don't see a huge drop off. The Bills coaches are high on Johnson and he should get the snaps on offense Roscoe would normally get. The Browns were 23rd in the league returning punts last year averaging a little more than half of what the Bills averaged. They also need WR help badly with the Donte Stallworth situation and potential trade of Braylon Edwards. I trade Roscoe for Cleveland's Round 4 pick, number 104 overall.
These trades give the Bills nine picks with two first rounders and three fourths. It greatly increases trade up scenarios if a player the Bills covet falls like a Brandon Pettigrew or Clay Matthews. It also gives the Bills the best shot of filling their needs.
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Here's the most realistic and optimistic mock draft I could put together.
1-11: Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee
After Brian's mock (I swear I didn't look at it first) you are probably not surprised by this pick. A well-rounded defensive end is something the Bills staff looks for and Ayers is that player. He injects youth to the position and has the ability to contribute right away while hopefully becoming a guy like Aaron Schobel (was) who can contribute in every phase of the defense and still pick up double-digit sacks.
1-28: Clay Matthews, LB, USC
I continue adding players to the defensive front seven with Clay Matthews in to replace Keith Ellison. If Michael Oher is still there I think they may take him but I won't bank on it. They may have to use one of those fourths to trade up to get Matthews, but I think they like him enough to do that.
2-42: Max Unger, C/OG, Oregon
Unger has been the top interior lineman on my board for a while now. He is athletic, versatile, and smart. We should make him our new starting RG and move Butler over to the left side to solidify the interior. He can also be our back-up center should Hangartner go down to injury.
3-75: Travis Beckum, TE, Wisconsin
At some point along the way I had to add a tight end to the mix. I have been on the Beckum bandwagon for a while now. He went to Wisconsin as a linebacker and converted to TE. He has some growing to do at the position but outside of a broken leg he suffered while blocking (yes blocking) he has been durable. He has great hands and good feet. He has the potential to be our opening day starter or a nice compliment to Derek Fine.
4-104: Augustus Parrish, OT, Kent State
I've waited long enough. I still have not added a new offensive tackle to replace the departed Jason Peters. Parrish would have an opportunity to compete for the starting job at left tackle. He has great athleticism but lacks the strength to be a road grader type run blocker. Luckily he has the frame to add muscle and become the complete package. He has been durable as well.
4-110: Chip Vaughn, SS, Wake Forest
With the biggest needs on my draft board addressed, I can look one of two ways to strong safety or defensive tackle. Intense and an outstanding tackler, Vaughn could immediately come in and start on running situations. In college his coverage skills were generally limited to the deep zone where he could use his great closing speed to make tackles. He wouldn't be brought in to replace Bryan Scott but rather compliment him. ("Nice work Bryan.") But he certainly could replace Scott eventually.
4-121: Corvey Irvin, DT, Georgia
Marcus Stroud is over 30 and John McCargo is a disappointment. The answer is Irvin who was in for a visit at One Bills Drive. (I swear I didn't read Brian's mock before I did mine.) This could do one of two things - light a fire under McCargo and make him a capable contributor or be the last nail in the proverbial pick slip coffin. Oh hey quick question.... Where did Marcus Stroud go to college? They develop them hard (and flat) nosed when they are Bulldogs.
5-147: Phillip Hunt, DE, Houston
The Bills obviously liked Chris Ellis's value for his draft position this year. Hunt's value to them as a Tampa 2 DE will be too much to pass up in the fifth round. While he may be hard pressed to get playing time or contribute this year, the Bills need to add youth to the position and Hunt would be ready to play by the time the big three DEs contracts expire. The Bills have a history of drafting positions of need in bunches and this fits the bill.
6-183: Cornelius Lewis, OT, Tennessee St.
Lewis was a transfer from Florida State after violating team rules (they have them at FSU?). All he did was become an excellent pass blocker. Lewis showed off great hands and feet in the Texas vs. the nation event. Even with some character concerns, he's worth the risk in the 6th round.
7-220: DeAndre Levy, OLB, Wisconsin
One way to hedge your bets on a draft pick is to bring in another player later in the draft as a safety valve (see Williams, Kyle). Kawika Mitchell is 30, Alvin Bowen may or may not be the same after his ACL tear, and Keith Ellison is likely only around for one more year. This is a great place to bring in an additional linebacker who could excel on special teams while waiting in the wings to make an impact on defense. Levy has a high motor, ran a great 40 at his pre-draft workout, and was very productive in his college career.
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Parrish would have an opportunity to compete for the starting job at left tackle
But Parrish is as big as me….lol
Anyway, I am not sure, from all i read i’d rather have a different OT in the draft, and I don’t necessarily mean I want to draft one in the 1st
I would have to call this a “Defensive draft” MRW, whereas someone else might want to get a Pettigrew or OT….in fact someone else might ignore defense in the first, and instead go TE and OT in the first, and then grab a DE and OLB in the 2nd and 3rd, which could happen.
I am against trading Roscoe to Cleveland in some sense, since I don’t want to see him return a punt return for TD against us, but you know what….bring it if so, I on the McKelvin train now and if Roscoe’s chicken and biscuits is out of here, I am all about some McLovin’….(I am probably a homer)
The Bills CAN win every game
by killascript on Apr 20, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea, it would be nice to trade him to a NFC team, but sure would be nice to get the extra pick now. If they could do the same with Kelsay, then it should supply the Bills with plenty of picks to move back into the 2nd and 3rd rounds to get excellent quality players that might start right away. Since this draft is deep in the area’s of our needs, we should take advantage of the opportunity.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 20, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OBD’d want to sucker some AFC team into taking Kelsay (preferably AFC East) so the Bills can play against him often.
by Ron From NM on Apr 20, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, that sucker could only be OBD, who signed him to a massive extension so the rest of the AFC teams can play against him often.
by labill on Apr 20, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They signed him to an extension when we thought he was going to take the next step.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too. We obviously overpaid for him but if he had taken the next step the FO would look like geniuses. They had two choices, extend him and when he makes it big they look great and it he fails they look bad or don’t extend him and if he takes the next step he walks. They extended him which is usually the best thing to do. Now the best thing to do is release or trade him. We’ll see if that happens.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who was happy they resigned Kelsay at the time? The guy had never been anything more than a rotational guy at the time and was obviously not a pass rusher. I know I was STUNNED they re-upped him and for the price they did.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 20, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was stunned by the price.
Not that they reupped him.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Augustus.... not Roscoe. :-)
Parrish would have an opportunity to compete for the starting job at left tackle
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know, I know....
but I would pay big money to see Roscoe lined up at LT….big money
The Bills CAN win every game
by killascript on Apr 20, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we could all attend his funeral the next day.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 20, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would certainly be interesting....
:-)
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could burry him on the feild, Jimmy Hoffa style ;-)
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 20, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOLOLOL
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 20, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m afraid I have to agree with killascript. Given the sorry state of the Bills’ offense and the relatively solid state of the D I think the team would be crazy to use both of their first-round picks on defensive players. In fact, I will judge their draft by whether or not they use two of their first three picks for offense. They need a TE, LG and pass rusher with an explosive burst (either DE or OLB). The order they address those needs in matters less to me than the fact that those are the first three picks. And Beckum would be a very poor choice for TE with his lack of bulk and injury history. Beckum would be adding to a long line of mediocrities at TE rather than finally solving our problem at that important position.
by Macktruck on Apr 20, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So they are unsuccessful without drafting offensive players?
Derek Fine is capable of starting and blocking very well. Beckum is great at going out and running routes. He had shoulder surgery that didn’t bother him last year and his leg broke while blocking… I don’t see either of those being huge injury concerns. There is only one TE that you want to draft, then, and it’s Pettigrew. You are allowed to feel that and I think he is a great player…. I just would rather enhance the defense.
Clay Matthews is a pass rushing OLB and in the past the Bills have not drafted a speed rusher only. They like complete DEs and so I went with Ayers.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't disagree with you so much
as I was just saying that just as this mock has us using the 11 and 28 on defense, it could just as easily b all offense…I think if it happened one way or the other it would do a lot to define the team…because both spots should be starters in 2009
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by killascript on Apr 20, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt, you are making assumptions about my preferences that just aren’t true. I think Pettigrew would be the best choice, but I would also be very happy with Shawn Nelson, Cornelius Ingrahm, and Jared Cook. The problem with Beckum as I see it is that he doesn’t have a very big frame and will have great difficulty putting on more bulk and muscle. That is going to severely limit his effectiveness as a blocker at the NFL level and also make him more susceptible to injuries than the other four TE’s I rank above him. He was a great college player, but my guess is that he will be no more than mediocre as a pro.
I know the Bills like complete DE’s, but I worry that Ayers doesn’t give them much as a pass-rusher. Brown and especially Connor Barwin would be much better in that respect, and they can probably be drafted at #28 or (in the case of Barwin) in Round Two. And I simply don’t think it makes sense to use a first round pick on a LB when the Bills will have him on the field less than a third of the time. There are some good LB’s available in Rounds Three and Four who are just as good at pass-rushing as Matthews (although I’ll readily concede they are not as much of a complete football player as he is).
In a perfect world I would love to see the Bills draft Matthews or Cushing. But again I think they have more pressing needs on offense this year and can’t afford that luxury. That’s where we disagree.
by Macktruck on Apr 20, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Ingram’s injury history? And Cook’s unwillingness to block. He was brought in as a WR and still looks, talks, and acts like one. I just don’t see where those guys have such a big upside compared to Beckum. They are all undersized collegiate non-blockers except Pettigrew, who we can agree on.
In one sentence you say it doesn’t make sense to draft Matthrews because he will be on the field less than a third of the time (which I disagree with anyways) but then want to take Barwin who would be on the firled in passing situations at best as a rookie. Ayers is the only DE that could come in and play more than half the defensive snaps. Your logic doesn’t work out on the defensive front seven.
I don’t see the offensive needs as being as pressing. I have really liked what I have seen from Derek Fine. We don’t need him to stretch the seam. We need him to block well and catch short balls underneath TO, Lee, and Josh. He can do that. That’s why I have no problem bringing in a developmental TE instead of Pettigrew. I would not be upset in the least, however, if they drafted Pettigrew instead of Matthews at 28.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you keep talking about Cook’s unwillingness to block?? Where did he ever say that? I’ve seen him say he’s eager to continue learning to block and improving his technique, I’ve never seen him say he doesn’t want to block. I want quotes!!!!!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 20, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't blocked.
Here is what CBSSports says about his blocking:
He shows good aggression cut blocking in the second level, but when it comes to helping out the ground game, especially from the back side, the only way you will find him is on the side of a milk carton (disappears and lacks effort)
I’m not saying he can’t do it. I’m saying he never has and that won’t sit well with OBD. In the same draft report, they also call him a perfect fit here:
4/15/2009 – Perfect fit: Jared Cook, TE, Bills: He’s exactly the kind of vertical threat the Bills need at the position and has underrated strength to block on the edge for an offense that still wants to win with the run. – Chad Reuter, The Sports Xchange, NFL Draft Scout
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
But you’ve mentioned numerous times about him being unwilling to block. I think you may have said he said it in interviews too, but that’s something I’ve never seen. Showing a lack of effort from time to time is not being totally unwilling to block. He’s talked about wanting to get better at it, and because he hasn’t had to do it much in the past isn’t a reason to totally dismiss him.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 20, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ingram and Cook have bigger bodies than Beckum and could put on the bulk to become good blockers over time. Cook actually is pretty strong right now. And as Kurupt says, Cook has said he would be a very willing blocker if he was used that way (I’m not so sure about that, but his exceptional speed makes up for a number of failings).
I see Barwin as a DE for the Bills. He would start out by going in on passing downs at first, but within a year or two could become a full-time player. And his quickness, speed and size would make him very special.
As for Derek Fine, he is a very good blocker but will never be the pass-catching TE the Bills need so badly. The four TE’s I mentioned before are several notches above him in that role. As for the Bills not having pressing needs on offense, you are talking about a team that failed to score a TD in three of its last five games last season. Indeed, their offense has been weak for seven years in a row. I like defense too, but if you can’t score points you can’t win games, period.
by Macktruck on Apr 20, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you didn’t answer my question. You complain that Matthews can only contribute on certain downs… and then defend Barwin for only being able to play situationally in his first year.
Derek Fine will never be a seam stretcher but he can catch the ball. It’s not like he’s Hot Hands or anything.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give this mock an A-!
Well done, Matt.
I really like this mock a lot. If it happened I’d be very very hungover the next morning from doing a lot of celebrating.
I gave it an A- and not an A though because I have to wonder if some of the picks will still be around at the spots you take them.
Clay Matthews at 28 is a possibility, a very real one, but I just think there are too many teams that can take him before then. You did note a trade up is possible and even though we may not need it, the uncertainty of Matthews making it past the Dolphins and other teams exists. I also think Chip Vaughn is a third rounder. I dont see any safeties going in the 1st round so I would expect a run to happen on them from round 2 through 3 with Chip a part of that run in round 3. Finally, there is also the question of Hunt making it to round 5.
However, because all of those above are still possibilities it is a very good mock.
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by poz on Apr 20, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To get Matthews I expect we'd have to trade back up.
But the possibility is there because of the extra draft picks.
I waited on Hunt since I already drafted a DE. I don’t see them going with two DEs in the first four rounds but if he is still there in the fifth it will work out.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
under your mock
we’re also going into next season with Walker/Bell or Walker/Chambers?
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by poz on Apr 20, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parrish, Chambers, Bell…. Who wins out on that is impossible to say right now. I really have no idea how it would shake out but Walker and one of them would start. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
??
Here is the goal for my last Rumblings Authors Mock. I am going to attempt to address every need I think the Buffalo Bills have with capable players.
Isn’t that the goal we all have with these?!?!
He went to Wisconsin as a linebacker and vonverted to TE.
haha!
Don’t like Ayers, so I can’t rate this too high…I also think Matthews will be gone by the time the Pats are done picking at the latest….
I really, really, really don’t like the idea of waiting so long to address OT, and I don’t like adding a mediocre talent like this. He struggled with speed rushers in the MAC and isn’t very strong. I’ve seen reports that he would be better suited playing Guard in the NFL because of his mediocre athleticism, smaller frame and poor leverage. I wouldn’t touch this guy in the 4th round, and I definitely wouldn’t want him competing for a starting job.
Lewis looks like he’ll be a Guard in the pros, and I think he goes well before the 6th round. He should also go ahead of Parrish. I like this guy as a prospect and think he’ll become a productive pro.
Levy has to go before the 7th round, doesn’t he?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 20, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
V and C are right next to each other.
:-) Changed it….
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also said double-sigit sacks...
whatever a sigit is. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blame Brian
he said he’d be editing these!!!! Hahaha
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 20, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, my bad – pressed for time today.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 20, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take pride in my proofreading...
It’s my fault.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to fall on the sword for the big guy Nard-Dog.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 20, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks big tuna
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm down with that.
I can be the guy who gets the hot chick.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 20, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet you are...
problem is Miley is too young to be Pamcakes.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
she dresses up nice.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 20, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lewis very well could go earlier.
NFL Draft scout had him as a 6-7 round grade. I took him in the 6th. Plus if you arguing with me over late-rounders, I’ve done a decent job. Levy was graded 7-UD.
I agree with you on Parrish. I don’t think he is ready. Could he add a bunch of muscle between now and opening day in order to start? Sure. Bell could end up playing there or Chambers. The only thing I could see doing is going OT at 28 and using the 4th rounder on an OLB. That means Ellison or Bowen is probably starting, though. It’s a tough call.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parrish needs more than muscle
He just wasn’t very good in the MAC, what makes you think he’d be an NFL starter, especially at LT? He really struggled with speed rushers there and wasn’t a dominant player in any phase. I’d much rather get a sure thing.
I’d rather have a capable LT than an OLB too.
And dont’ worry, I wasn’t arguing about your late rounders. I like both of them as players, so I think they’ll go earlier. If either is available in the 6th/7th rounds, I’d love to add them.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 20, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think I wouldn't rather have a sure thing?
Does such a thing exist?
I just don’t see great value with the OTs not names Andre Smith. The ones available to us in the second round are only marginally better than Parrish. They will all have flaws. What flaws can we live with?
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with K
- is to early to take Ayers. If we get an early run on OTs, QBs, and LBs, then sprinkle in the top talent at DT, WR, and RB, I don’t see the DEs going early this year. Ayers may be climbing up the charts, but with relatively few Tampa 2 teams out their, I would bet that the Orakpo type 3-4 DEs will go first. We should be able to stay put and pick up Ayers or Pettigrew at #28. If not, I will not be to worried. Plenty of good talent and plenty of holes….the Bills can take BPA within reason.
I am shocked that nobody has said a word on my “Anthony Hill is Pettigrew without the hype” statement. Do people think I am crazy and are just being polite?
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by Joe P. on Apr 20, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do people think I am crazy and are just being polite?
Um, do you mean in general, or just on this point?
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 20, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be interested in both points :-)
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by Joe P. on Apr 20, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do people think I am crazy and are just being polite?
Yes and Yes
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 20, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that all you got?
I wrote that line with you specifically in mind and all I get is “yes”! I must say I am disappointed :-(
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by Joe P. on Apr 20, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahaha
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by poz on Apr 20, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
linebackers tend to fall on draft day.
I think the Bills will like Ayers and pick him. Not what I like but what the Bills will do.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am shocked that nobody has said a word on my "Anthony Hill is Pettigrew without the hype" statement.
Don’t be shocked, I feel the same way….
Do people think I am crazy and are just being polite?
Ha!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 20, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We apprear to be alone K
Maybe they will let us share a room :-)
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by Joe P. on Apr 20, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they will let us share a room :-)
I’m not going anywhere near that one.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 20, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have pics of Miley Cyrus :-) ........ like a mouse to cheese! hahahahaha
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by Joe P. on Apr 20, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got nothing
Please, who doesn’t, they are all over the internet. I posted them myself!
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 21, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So your the anonimous boyfriend she keeps texting those too!
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BINGO!!!
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 21, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You better ask your wife's permission first :-)
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by Joe P. on Apr 21, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 defensive lineman in the first four rounds? I’ll look past the lack of a LT and give this mock 2 thumbs up.
I’ve come around some on Robert Ayers, not because he is the pass rusher that this defense needs to get to a championship level, but because he could be a really good LE. He could push Kelsay off the roster and split time with Denney this year and take over full time in just his second season. If Buffalo could somehow find a stud RE to line up across from Ayers, they could build this defense into a consistent top 5 type unit. He’s far from my favorite prospect, but I would much, much rather take him than Pettigrew or any of this year’s LBs.
The last couple picks are pretty optimistic, but it’s always impossible to guess who is still available 150 picks into the draft.
Matt, do you actually have a plan at LT? With Unger on board you have 4 starters pretty much written in stone, but is Walker moving to the left side? Who would you guess is the favorite out of Bell, Chambers, Parrish to start?
by kaisertown on Apr 20, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I went with draft grades from all over for the final few rounds.
and I was either in line or too pessimistic with them.
My plan for LT is either Chambers or Bell and that’s not ideal but it’s what happens if Andre Smith doesn’t wind up here. My guess is that Chambers would do it until at least the bye week. If he was successful, great. If not expect Bell, Parrish, or Lewis to get a shot.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But why not take one of the high upside OT’s in round 2 or 3? Beatty, Meredith, Cadogan….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 20, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Parrish and Bell have just as much upside.
Perhaps that’s the way it goes.
Ayers
OT
OG
OLB
You have your own mock to do it. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft
Take Ayers out. replace with an OT. Get your DE in the third round. TE in the fourth.
by Bob on Apr 20, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Insightful analysis.
Thanks. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 20, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get Parrish for a 4th
I really don’t understand why you guys think Parrish is only worth a 4th. More importantly, I don’t understand why you think Leodis can replace him at PR, and also play KR and also start at CB — that is too much for our No.1 pick that needs to develop as a CB. Parrish is an unbelievable PR (frankly, I thought he should also become the KR this year so that Leodis can be a full time CB). He also adds a couple of trick plays on offense — the Bills just signed Parrish over a year ago to an extension and I think we should keep him (or get better value than a 4th pick).
by labill on Apr 20, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
First the draft pick question. Dante Hall was traded for a third and a fifth. That was after returning 8 kicks for scores or something like that in one year. If we got that it’d be great but I see us getting a 4th rounder for him. We will not get higher than a 3rd for him so don’t get your hopes up.
As for Leodis taking over returning punts. I don’t think that’s a done deal. We have Action Jackson who can return punts, Leodies sure can, and a couple other players could return punts for us like Jenkins.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
Why trade him, anyway (for a 4th pick)? He is a difference maker on PRs — that is not what Action Jackson or Jenkins can do. What is the point (I can see the point if we get a good OG or 3rd pick for him)? Sireric just has him mocked traded for a 6th pick. I just don’t understand (unless OBD feels he is another problem child like Peters that we need to get rid of).
by labill on Apr 20, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not a problem child but a luxury.
He won’t see any playing time at WR. If the Bills feel that they can get 9-10 yards a return from someone else and get a nice draft pick and not pay him 3M this year then they are going to take it. I don’t think they trade him for less than a 4th rounder, unlike Eric. There is a strong possibility they don’t trade him at all. I am hoping that we trade him and a pick for Brian Waters or a player somewhere.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am hoping that we trade him and a pick for Brian Waters or a player somewhere.
This to me would be fine – but trading him straight up for a 4th as labill says – doesn’t make much sense to me. He’s a difference maker on ST’s – he changes field position which is critical to a teams success.
I think a 4th isn’t enough after thinking about it – early 3rd. I’d package him with picks to get a lineman however
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on Apr 20, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think that Jackson back there couldn't do at least 9 or ten yards a return with Bobby April's special teams?
The Bills would still be in the top 10 in the league in punt return average. I would be willing to let our 6th WR go for a 4th rounder.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the top of your draft. I think you’ve got Ayers and Matthews flipped. There are a lot of LB-hungry teams between 21-27 so I doubt he makes it to 28. Ayers might, though. Unger would be a nice pick up if he makes it to 42 and I think I saw something on bb.com about the bills considering one-dimensional TEs this year.
by Ron From NM on Apr 20, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ayers similar to Schobel
“while hopefully becoming a guy like Aaron Schobel (was) who can contribute in every phase of the defense and still pick up double-digit sacks.”
Well if this guy is going to be similar to “pro bowl” Schobel i hope we don’t draft him, Schobel is a great #2 DE, but he’s not even close to any of the elite DE performers. If we look at DE i hope they realize having two slight above average ends does not produce results. if we had a better DT pairing then maybe it would be a different situation, but that’s not the case at the moment, so i hope Brown is still available if we go DE. i still believe oline will be 2 of the first 3 picks taken.
by pastj12345 on Apr 20, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Schobel has had some great years here.
If he was as good as Aaron Schobel has been, he’d be an OK if not good pick. Don’t predicate your opinion on “What have you done for me lately?”
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 20, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
id go much further than that!
If he is anywhere near as Schobel has been he’ll be a fantastic draft pick. Schobel was putting up between 8 and 14 sacks for the majority of his career!!
I’m not sure what people expect, but that is as good as it usually gets.
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by poz on Apr 20, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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