Rumblings Authors Mock, V2.0 - Ron's Take
As I sit down to write this latest installment of the Rumblings Authors Mock series (gotta love having a Monday off), I have the distinct feeling that my seven round tradeless draft is going to be ugly. Way back on Valentine’s Day I put up a mock draft in which I predicted the Top 10 shaking out like this: OT Eugene Monroe, OT Andre Smith, DE Everette Brown, WR Michael Crabtree, LB Aaron Curry, CB Malcolm Jenkins, DE Brian Orakpo, DT B.J. Raji, LB Aaron Maybin, QB Matt Stafford.
That was back before the Jason Peters contract debacle, his subsequent trade to Philly, and even before the Combine. Naturally, things have changed a bit and I see the Top 10 going a little differently now.
1 - DET - QB Matthew Stafford
2 - STL - OT Jason Smith
3 - KC - LB Aaron Curry
4 - SEA - OT Eugene Monroe
5 - CLE - WR Michael Crabtree
6 - CIN - OT Andre Smith
7 - OAK - DE Everette Brown
8 - JAX - DT B.J. Raji
9 - GB - DE Brian Orakpo
10 - SF - QB Mark Sanchez
The Bills think Andre Smith is the best OT in the draft irrespective of his weird behavior and flabby gut. Aaron Maybin apparently won’t be the pick. OBD thinks highly of both LB Clay Matthews and TE Brandon Pettigrew. Given that Dick Jauron needs to save his job this season, here's my "no trades" mock draft...
1-11: Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State. Matthews has ‘upside’. That won’t help Jauron, since it will take Matthews time to develop. Pettigrew, by all accounts, is a fairly well-polished all around TE and will be able to step in and play effectively immediately. Besides, the Bills lost games due to offensive ineptitude, not shoddy linebacker play. Yes, Pettigrew is off the board much earlier than his ‘value’ dictates, but Buffalo has been happy to buck conventional wisdom in the past.
1-28: Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee. There is a better chance than some think that Ayers will be available late in the first round. Oher, Freeman, Maualuga, Jenkins, Maclin, Heyward-Bey, Jackson, Maybin, and Jerry figure to round out the Top 20 in some order. Houston is the wild card, as they play a 4-3 and could take Ayers even though they have other needs. After that Philly, Detroit, Atlanta and Indy are the only 4-3 teams standing between Ayers and #28. All of them have bigger needs than DE that they could choose to address instead. If he's gone then Max Unger could be the pick instead.
2-42: William Beatty, OT, Connecticut. The Bills will be drafting 2-3 offensive linemen. If Ayers is gone at #28 and Unger is the pick there then Barwin could be the choice here. It's simply inconceiveable that Buffalo would completely ignore a huge area of need early in the draft. Whatever the order, Buffalo should come away from the first two rounds with a DE and OL.
3-75: Kraig Urbik, OG, Wisconsin. Naturally, if Unger was the pick at No. 28, then Urbik won’t be the pick here. He’s enormous, something Buffalo seems to like in offensive linemen, and should be on the board here. If no DE was taken earlier, then DE Lawrence Sidbury from Richmond would be the guy at No. 75.
4-110: Michael Hamlin, SS, Clemson. Considering both the quality of the guys manning Buffalo’s FS and SS positions and the fact that they will all be free agents within the next two years makes it important to begin to develop a SS now. Plus, Hamlin should be a demon on special teams.
4-121: Trevor Canfield, OG, Cincinnati. Buffalo needs interior line depth. Butler has missed games each year he has been in the league and Chambers could be recalled to his swing tackle duties if Walker, Bell and/or Beatty go down. Barring injury, Canfield - like Urbik - would have time to develop.
5-147: Nic Harris, LB, Oklahoma. Yes, this pretty much means that Keith Ellison will be starting for yet another season.
6-183: Kevin Ellison, SS, USC. Yes, the Ellison brothers are hitting the town together. Lock up your women and preferably any ball carriers. For a late round flyer the younger Ellison should, if he makes the team, at least help on special teams. Let’s just hope that tackling isn’t a genetic thing…
7-220: Brannan Southerland, FB, Georgia. The Bills, according to Turk Schonert, aren’t going to be using much in the way of a true fullback. Of course, with the Lynch suspension, someone is going to have to carry the ball. Also, having a mammoth offensive line just screams fullback in third and short situations.
Well, it’s not quite as ugly as I thought: TE Pettigrew, DE Ayers, OT Beatty, OG Urbik, SS Hamlin, OG Canfield, LB Harris, SS Ellison and FB Southerland. Of those guys, I see Pettigrew making an immediate impact. Ayers should at least push for significant playing time, though he's not going to solve the pass rush woes. Urbik and Beatty would likely be training camp battles just to see if they could see the field, and everyone else but Southerland would be dedicated special teamers. Better than I thought but not enough.
Relax, though - there's hope. Head on in past the jump to read "Ron’s Wheelin’ & Dealin 7 round draft", where things get... a bit more interesting. And lengthy.
Okay, we’ve seen how a draft without trades, so now let’s see what kind of draft the Bills could have with a couple of do-able trades. The Bills have already swung a trade with Philly, sending perpetually petulant Peters packing (alliteration!) for 28 and 121 (plus a 2010 sixth rounder).
The Bills are, as of this writing, set to begin draft day with 11, 28, 42, 75, 110, 121, 147, 183 and 220. However, there are rumors of a Parrish to Pittsburgh deal in the works. Since Buffalo seems willing to move Parrish (and Kelsay, as if anyone would give up anything of value for him) and Pittsburgh is in need of both a WR and return man I'll factor in a pre-draft deal. Most folks seem to think that Parrish should bring a 4th or 5th. I'm going to err on the conservative side of things and send Parrish and 121 to Pittsburgh for 96. On the trade charts that works out to about a mid 4th round selection in terms of cost to Pittsburgh, not an unreasonable asking price. It also doesn't deplete the Steelers' stock of picks. So, after two pre-draft trades (one completed, one just a possibility at this point) the Bills enter the draft with 11, 28, 42, 75, 96, 110, 147, 183 and 220.
The teams at the top of the board have been trying to trade down but have apparently not found many takers--mainly due to the cost of those top 5 picks. I don't see Cincy trading out of #6 given their dire need at OT nor do I see Al Davis passing on DE Brown.
1 - DET - QB Matthew Stafford
2 - STL - OT Jason Smith
3 - KC - LB Aaron Curry
4 - SEA - OT Eugene Monroe
5 - CLE - WR Michael Crabtree
6 - CIN - OT Andre Smith
7 - OAK - DE Everette Brown
The Jags, on the other hand, are in terrific position to drop back (particularly if Henderson is still on the roster) and are reportedly eager to do a deal. With Sanchez and Freeman on the board QB starved teams will make efforts to move up and Jacksonville is going to benefit. With picks to burn and a dire need at QB, Denver outbids everyone and makes Jacksonville an offer Del Rio would be brain dead to refuse: #12 and #48 for #8.
8 - DEN - QB Mark Sanchez
9 - GB - DT BJ Raji
10 - DE - Brian Orakpo
Buffalo’s phone starts ringing mainly because QB Josh Freeman and OT Michael Oher are on the board. Teams like San Diego and Washington want to move up but can only offer their 1st plus a 2010 pick. Jauron tells them he won't be around in 2010 to use the pick if he doesn't get guys to help him win in 2009. The Jets, interested in Freeman but not completely in a panic over the thought of waiting, offer the Bills #17 and #76 for #11 and #110. Tampa Bay, not entirely confident in Griese or Leftwich, offer #19 and #81 for #11. Detroit, wanting Oher to protect Stafford, has the juice to beat those other offers. Needing to also retain a goodly number of early round picks (to offset their lack of 4th and 5th rounders) the Lions offer #20 and #33 for #11 and #75. With Oher not ranked much higher than the OTs left on Buffalo's board and with Pettigrew, Matthews or Ayers certain to be on the board at #20 it's just a question of which deal to take. The Jets offer is quickly dismissed. The Bucs offer gives the Bills an extra third while simultaneously screwing the Jets. The Lions deal, however, is too tempting to pass up.
11 - DET - OT Michael Oher
The Bills now have the No. 20 (Lions deal), No. 28 (Philly - Peters deal), No. 33 (Lions deal), No. 42, No. 96 (Steelers) No. 110, No. 147, No. 183, and No. 220. Freeman is still on the board and Jacksonville, needing WR help and knowing they'll have options later in the round, fields calls from the Jets and Bucs. The Jags take the Jets' offer (17 and 76 for 12 and 107), mainly because the Jets are likely to take a WR if they don't get a QB.
12 - NYJ - QB Josh Freeman
13 - WAS - LB Rey Maualuga
14 - NO - CB Malcolm Jenkins
Philly is right behind Buffalo and knows that the Bills may well take Pettigrew. With their LT position solidified, the Eagles use their 3rd rounder (which Buffalo oddly turned down) and #21 to try to trade up with Houston. The Texans, without gaping holes to fill, are more than happy to add a 3rd rounder for dropping back.
15 - PHI - TE Brandon Pettigrew
16 - SD - DE Tyson Jackson
17 - JAX - WR Jeremy Maclin
18 - DEN - DE Aaron Maybin
19 - TB - DT Peria Jerry
OBD has to be thrilled to see both Ayers and Matthews on the board at #20. Taking a look at the 4-3 teams standing between picks #20 and #28 (Houston, Minny, Atlanta, Indy), the Bills realize that Atlanta (LB), Indy (DT, LB), Houston (G, C) and Minny (OT, C) have more needs to address than DE...and that most of the 3-4 teams need LBs. The Bills pass on Ayers, gambling he'll be on the board at #28 and begin the run on LBs:
24 - BAL - DE/LB Larry English
28 - BUF - DE Robert Ayers
30 - TEN - CB Vontae Davis
31 - ARI - OT Eben Britton
The second round begins... Buffalo needs offensive line help but has yet to address the TE position. Loadholt has the size the Bills like in linemen but not necessarily the speed and agility. With that in mind:
35 - STL - WR Hakeem Nicks
36 - CLE - LB Clint Sintim
37 - SEA - RB Kwonshon Moreno
39 - JAX - RB Chris Wells
40 - OAK - S Sean Smith
For the fourth time in the day, the Bills are on the clock. Alex Mack is on the board and Buffalo still needs an interior lineman. With Hang penciled in at center and the semi-fragile Butler locked in at one guard spot, the thought of having Mack on the roster is certainly appealing. Giving up 75 in the Detroit trade makes this a painful decision as Buffalo won't be able to get a TE before the end of the third. Nevertheless:
42 - BUF - Alex Mack
At the end of an eventful first day, the Bills have LB Clay Matthews, DE Robert Ayers, OT William Beatty, C/G Alex Mack, 96, 110, 147, 183 and 220.
The next day begins with a couple of minor trades between teams but not anywhere near enough action to keep a guy like Dan Snyder engaged. A joke is made about taking Derrick Dockery's younger brother Cedric, but an icy stare from Jauron kills that conversation. Christmas cards will not be exchanged. The Bills cool their heels until the last non-compensatory pick in the 3rd.
3-96: Cornelius Ingram, TE, Florida. OBD reaches back to the Willis McGahee days and plucks a player off the board with a significant injury history. At least we won’t have to see how his knee can swing in both directions during slow motion college highlights every Sunday. The Bills possibly have quite the steal with this pick.
4-110: Jason Watkins, OT, Florida. Buffalo goes Butler-hunting and takes Ingram's less gimpy teammate. He's no threat to Beatty, Chambers or Bell so if none of them prove to be capable of manning the LT position Trent Edwards is in for a Hobbes type year: brutal, nasty and short.
5-147: Courtney Greene, SS, Rutgers. Watching Kiper and McShay rip each other new orifices helps the time pass quickly. The Bills would have preferred not to have put this position off for quite so long. However, the combination of holes on the roster and players available when Buffalo was making selections conspired against taking a safety earlier.
6-183: Brannan Southerland, FB, Georgia. I think we’d all be happier with Quinn Johnson and if he’s on the board he should be the pick. However, I think there’s a pretty good chance that he’ll be taken with one of those compensatory picks at the end of the 5th round. There’s a good chance Southerland would be available in the seventh, but if he’s a guy Buffalo wants, why chance it? The re-signing of the ineffective McIntyre suggests Buffalo isn't done with FB after all.
7-220: Lendy Holmes, S, Oklahoma. Brian’s story about the entire safety corps becoming free agents inside of two years convinced me. Well, that and the fact that Buffalo hasn’t gotten terrific play from the guys on the roster.
So there it is, sports fans and people with nothing better to do than read this. I tried to err on the conservative side of things in terms of types of trades and trade value that Buffalo might receive. I also selected players who should be on the board when Buffalo picks.
LB Clay Matthews, DE Robert Ayers, OT William Beatty, C/G Alex Mack, TE Cornelius Ingram, OT Jason Watkins, SS Courtney Green, FB Brannan Southerland and FS Lendy Holmes… that sounds quite a bit better than the no trades version. At the very least, Ellison is riding the pine and six of the nine picks figure to see playing time beyond special teams. Rip away!
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Talk about trade mania!
Ok Although I don’t think it’s going to happen, I really like the second draft. Fills all our needs with great quality players. Love gettng Mack and I think Beaty will be a very good RT in this league, maybe not right away, but he will be the eventual replacement for Walker, so it’s good planning. Mathews and Ayers in the first round a great picks.
All around good draft.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think there will be a lot of first round trades and am hoping that Buffalo is involved in one of them.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your not the only one to hope that. I think if OBD could pull off those trades in would be AMAZING.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looks like the Parrish trade is less likely than it appeared earlier in the week due to money, though the Steelers could make room for him if they wanted. As noted by someone below, I didn’t have the Bills get much for him—just about 25 spots higher from 121 to 96.
The trade with the Lions only works if the Lions want Oher after taking Stafford. The only reason it works as I have it is because Detroit doesn’t lose picks—just position (from 33 to 75)—so they can rebuild their team. It makes sense to both parties, kind of like the Jets-Jags swap after Sanchez is off the board.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but in this years draft those 25 spots can mean a lot.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True. I don’t think that Ingram will be available in the 4th so if Buffalo was to get what could be a very good TE in this draft another 3rd rounder was needed.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Detroit trade makes a lot of sense for both teams, I see that one as being more likely than the Parrish trade… but both trades are still unlikely.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They probably will be
in order to move up from 28
I doubt they move down, they just don’t seem to value draft picks that way.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s hope OBD values Pettigrew, Ayers and Matthews about equally. If they do then there’s an excellent chance that Buffalo will trade back since at least one (and probably two) of them is certain to be on the board around 20.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Bills have never ever traded down in their history........
and I doubt this year is the year they start.
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 21, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did in 2001 to get Nate Clements. They picked up a 2nd rounder that turned into Travis Henry.
~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
d'oh.....
I forgot about this……..I was reading Peter King yesterday and he made mention that the Bills havent traded down with a first round pick…………..(in the last 5 years)
So….ugh…my bad for not thoroughly reading that.
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 21, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I’m down for any mock that has Buffalo addressing OT and DE in their first 3 picks. I think they are priorities that simply have to be addressed. I do have a couple of questions though:
I know your the OL guy, but what does Buffalo’s depth chart look after taking 3 offensive lineman in the first 4 rounds? Do we really need to grab Trevor Canfield or Jason Watkins with other needs still unaddressed? I get the Canfield pick more than Watkins because I could see how you are just grabbing 2 good prospects (Urbik and Canfield) and hoping that one is a great long term solution, but why Watkins?
Do we really need to draft 2 OLB/SS tweeners? With the responsibilites that safeties have in this defense, neither can play safety and both would be limited to OLB and special teams.
Do you really think Michael Johnson can play OLB in a 3-4? He is a skinny 6’7’’ kid. I can just imagine FBs, TEs and Cs, having a field day diving into his legs in the NFL.
by kaisertown on Apr 21, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Right now Buffalo has C Hang, G Butler, LT/RT/RG/LG Chambers, RT Walker, (L?)T Bell, and 3 guys (Denman, Scott, Rodd) who may or may not make the roster. Beatty and Mack would be locks for the roster while Watkins could fight for a spot. If Watkins (or another OT) won the spot the Bills would have:
T-Walker, Bell, Beatty, Watkins (or another pick or one of the guys on the roster already)
G-Butler, Mack, Chambers
C-Hang
Buffalo could, instead go for a reserve guard and re-dedicate Chambers to the tackle position.
The FS and SS picks, by and large, are special teamers who might develop into more. At the very least they could challenge some of the guys currently on the roster.
Quite a few draftniks believe that Johnson will indeed be right at home in a 3-4. I can definitely see teams like Miami or the Ravens taking a shot on an athletic freak.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your forgetting Seth McKinney Ron
He is the backup C and 4th G behind Chambers right now
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by WABillsfan on Apr 21, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd Mock Draft
Fantastic I only hope that Buffalo can pull off this draft. The first draft almost made me sick. Wasting a first round pick on a TE. Thank God for the second one. Outstanding
by Bob on Apr 21, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Bob, I’m getting the sense that you don’t think the Bills should take a tight end in the first round! :)
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 21, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I don’t. We already have two blocking TE’s. Why another one. Draft someone in the third or fourth round who can spread the field and run after the catch. Pettigrew can’t do either.
by Bob on Apr 21, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derek Schouman isn’t a blocking TE. He may be adequate, but I wouldn’t call him a blocking TE.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 21, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schouman is to tight ends as Ellison is to linebackers.
by syrbillsfan on Apr 22, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very good analogy.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 22, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had Pettigrew been on the board at 20 I would have had the Bills take him. I just see Philly guarding against that and Houston can easily afford to drop back in the first. Plus, thanks to the Bills’ insistance on that 6th round pick in 2010 (WTF?) the Eagles have the 3rd rounder they need to move around on the board.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I sure wish I knew the story behind that 4th round pick from Philly instead of the 3rd rounder.
by thefourwinds on Apr 21, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably just a case of the Bills over thinking things.
by syrbillsfan on Apr 22, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also
like the trade mania draft. I don’t think Pittsburgh is in a position to take on Parrish’s salary due to their own salary cap issues. they recently released Gary Russell to save $100k and barely have enough for their draft picks.
I like the fact that you took Mack because we really don’t have a backup for Hangartner, which is concerning.
why are people still considering a fullback in their mocks? OBD does not need a fullback for their offense and will at best pull a FA off the street to fill a roster spot for training camp.
I think better strong safeties will be available in the slot you had taken Green; Vaughn, Hamlin are possibilites.
Would like to see a LB drafted somewhere in the 2nd mock.
by gatornation on Apr 21, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Would like to see a LB drafted somewhere in the 2nd mock.
So you missed his 1st round pick, I assume?!?!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McIntyre
I think people are looking at FB for two reasons:
1. A good FB would be a great asset in 3rd and short and;
2. Buffalo resigned McIntyre, a guy who really wasn’t at all impressive in 2008…even though he looked good compared to the dreadful Darien Barnes.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are correct
my bad.
I think the middle rounds could provide a few better players than were taken in the 2nd mock. overall not bad though.
by gatornation on Apr 21, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That second scenario would be very good. I’m fine with us not taking a big name TE on the theory that Fine can block and our OT will be, to at least some degree, a question.
by Hopefulcynic on Apr 21, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a huge fan of either, though I like some of the picks you made.
I don’t want Pettigrew at 11, not with the holes we have. And even though Ayers at 28 is more palatable than 11, I’m still not a big fan of his. Your 2nd-4th rounders would all work for me, but I’m not sure we need a 2nd OG so early. I’d go LB.
I really don’t like Nic Harris or Ellison. Why do we need two converted SS prospects that aren’t very athletic? We’ve already got enough undersized LB depth, I don’t want two guys who’ve never played the position trying to learn on the fly while taking up roster spots.
I don’t know how feasible those trades are, nor do I really like either. Why trade Roscoe there if all we’re doing is move up from the mid 4th to the late 3rd, and not getting any extra picks out of it? That’s basically giving him away for nothing. And if we trade down, I want to get extra picks, not just exchange them. I like getting Beatty and Mack though, but think Mack will need to be taken at 28 or 33 in your scenario.
I don’t see what good adding a 5th OT is going to be for us. He probably wouldn’t even make the team with Walker, Chambers, Bell and Beatty ahead of him. Unless you’re switching him to G, I think it might be a wasted pick of sorts. I’d rather go with a second TE at that pick.
Why do you want so many safeties? Even though our S’s contracts will all be up in a few years, it’s not like we won’t resign any of them. And again, where are these guys going to fit in on the team with Whitner, Scott, Wilson, maybe Simpson and Wendling all ahead of them. Taking one to dump Simpson is fine, but another seems redundant and unnecessary. But it’s a 7th rounder, oh well.
~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that OBD isn’t going to want to pick up the contracts on many of the guys currently in the FS and SS spots. Sure, they won’t want to admit Whitner wasn’t a good pick at #8 so he’ll stick around (unless Jauron and company goes) and the rest—to my way of thinking—are pretty much just guys.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard not to like draft 2. I mean fille LB, DE, T and guard in the top 42.
I would also like to move down in 1 but history has proven the Bills dont move down.
However, the Bills do tend to use middle round picks to move up. I have thinking since the Peters trade the Bills can use their 3rd round pick and a 4th to move to back into round 2 and take a wood mack unger robinson player (whoever falls) to fill the guard. I expect us to use our first 3 picks 11/28/42 even though it would be nice to see them move back.
by Berg79 on Apr 21, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I meant use our first 3 picks without moving up or down.
by Berg79 on Apr 21, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you, bananas?
Way to address the OT position. Beatty’s talented but he needs a lot more strength before he can start for us…. and he may just be gone in the 1st.
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by ForeignArrow on Apr 21, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My sanity has been called into question in the past….
If Beatty is starting Buffalo is going to be in trouble. He’s a guy to groom, not throw into the fire.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soooo....
you’d rather have Kirk Chamber or Langston Walker than Michael Oher? Why on earth would you pass on a talent like Oher?
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by ForeignArrow on Apr 21, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should consider warming up to the idea. I don’t think it’s a lock they’d take Oher over Ayers/Pettigrew/Matthews III/trade down. I do think they’d take Andre Smith, though.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 21, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, if Andre Smith somehow makes it to 11, they go with him
I think if Oher were available in the early 20s they would then consider a move for him, but if it is between Oher/Ayers/Pettigrew/Matthews, I see us going with Ayers or Matthews with Pettigrew a close third
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by WABillsfan on Apr 21, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just not inspired
by Kirk Chambers at LT and a rookie at LG/RG. And I think it’s unacceptable for our FO to feel comfortable with that, as well. We’ll have 4 average to above-average starters and a rookie on our OL. Oher is just as talented as any OL in the draft, I think he’s slid because of his “intelligence.” I don’t care why he’s slid because he’ll be a good LT in the NFL and would be good value at 11. LTs don’t grow on trees and, I’m sorry, but Kirk Chambers would get absolutely burned on the edge. He’s a solid player but he looks like Frankenstein out there. If Chambers is in there then Buffalo has less schematic versatility… It’s not rocket science to take whichever LT falls to us of the that top 4. I usually don’t stick my neck out too far on player evaluations but having watched all 4 of those tackles recently the one that is on the fringe of the top tier is ironically, the one that’s supposed to be the best: Jason Smith. He’s a D’Brickshaw Ferguson reincarnate. Super athletic pass blocker but he won’t offer much in the run game. He’s a notch above William Beatty at this point.
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by ForeignArrow on Apr 21, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you on Jason Smith – I have NO idea how he’s supposedly the No. 1 tackle. He’s good… but a top overall pick consideration?
I look at it this way – I think there’s a better chance that Jauron and the rest of the decision-makers are comfortable with Walker/Chambers at LT/RT than they will be with Fine, Ellison and maybe even Kelsay starting. That’s why I think they might not be fussed to get a LT at 11.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 21, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good way to look at it.
But I hope that’s not the way they see it. Our defense was adequate last season. And it shouldn’t take any steps back with the loss of Greer, I think the younger guys getting older counteracts that.
Our offense however, particularly run-blocking, was pathetic at times.
Anyways, you’re right… it’s how you prioritize things. I’m still hoping we can get Brian Waters…. and then I’ll just have to live Chambers.
This crap is too much to think about… good luck and God Bless to the front office.
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by ForeignArrow on Apr 21, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This crap is too much to think about… good luck and God Bless to the front office.
Ha, ain’t that the truth… imagine trying to make these decisions knowing full well that if it doesn’t pan out, you might not have a job…
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 21, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oher’s knock is arm length right? Do the “experts” think his reach is short enough to compromise his ability as an NFL OT?
by syrbillsfan on Apr 22, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all depends on how OBD has Oher graded. There’s a question regarding how many guys are in the first tier of OTs. Some think 3 (J Smith, A Smith, Monroe) and some add Oher to that group. If Buffalo has Oher ranked with that second tier—and that the second tier guys are fairly comparable—I can see the Bills passing on Oher.
And, remember, I think Chambers would do a reasonable job at LT. I also think OBD has a similar outlook given that they chose to start Chambers at LT the last two games of the season. So, I don’t think the Bills are in a blind panic over LT.
I do agree with Brian about Andre Smith. If he’s there then Buffalo would probably take him because—per Geronimo—we know OBD thinks very highly of him.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, we have a wild card – Demetrius Bell. It is quite possible that he is ready for action. He came in with an NFL type body, just needed more reps and technique. What if he’s ready? I think that would be great for the Bills, obviously, and would assuage some concern.
by syrbillsfan on Apr 22, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the talent difference between Oher, Britton and Beaty is VERY close. I would have absolutly have no problem with Beaty n the second.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I just don’t see Robert Ayers falling anywhere in this universe to #28. I know everyone thinks speed rushers are the only way to go at DE, but it’s not about pure speed and i hate that argument. I mean just look at the 2007 class of DE’s: Gaines Adams, Adam Carriker, Jamaal Anderson, Jarvis Moss, Anthony Spencer
2006: Mario Williams, Kameron Wimbley, Manny Lawson, Tamba Hali, Mathias Kiwanuke….Who are the players that have blossomed? Has it been jarvis Moss who flew off the edge in the BCS Championship game? Was it Manny Lawson? Kameron Wimbley? It’s been Mario Williams n Gaines Adams n Kiwanuake, complete DE’s in a 4-3 scheme that have excelled. Robert Ayers is not as good as any of those 3 IMO, but I would take Ayers over Brown n Orakpo, and for Buffalo’s purposes Maybin in a heartbeat in our 4-3 scheme. Ayers is going to be a top 22 pick and will surprise people
What kills me is the desire for speed from the ends. It’s not speed, it’s quickness and a good pass that makes you a great pass rusher. It’s agility to keep great body balance, yet not lose any power doing it. Robert Ayers is 6’3", 272
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by MARVelous on Apr 21, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It comes down more to team needs than a knock on Ayers, though I think you may value him a bit more than teams are likely to. (Of course, it only takes one…) When you look at the 4-3 teams, where Ayers is a good fit, between 11 and 28 Houston would seem to be the team that will either take him or open the door to a slide.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Ayers ia a great pick, especially if he was there when we pick at 28. Everyone here seems to want a speed rusher, but I think a guy like Ayers makes a lot of sense. He should hold up better both over the season, and even from the start of a game to the end of the game. Also, with his size, he should be able to obliterate just about any TE in the league while still having the agility to shed OT blocks. He could be a great fit for us. Sure, the speed guys might cause matchup problems, but if they can’t stay at 100% throughout the season, what good is that to us?
by syrbillsfan on Apr 22, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kiwanuka and Adams
can both be considered speed rushers. I’m not disagreeing with your main point… just saying.
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by ForeignArrow on Apr 21, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy freaking crap, Ron- that’s just an epic amount of trades. I like the second draft- I’m not big on Ayers (maybe we’ll get reeeeeeally lucky and Maybin will drop…let me dream, please), but any draft that gets a DE, LB and Mack/Unger/whatever is ok in my book.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 21, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, it isn't
Here are the EIGHT trades from the first round of 2008:
No. 7: Patriots to Saints. New England traded its first- and fifth-round selections (No. 7 and 164) to New Orleans for New Orleans’ first- and third-round selections (No. 10 and 78).
No. 8: Ravens to Jaguars. Baltimore traded its first-round selection to Jacksonville for Jacksonville’s first-round selection, two third-round selections, and fourth-round selection (No. 26, 71, 89, 125).
No. 15: Lions to Chiefs. Detroit traded its first- and third-round selections (No. 15 and 76) to Kansas City for Kansas City’s second first-round selection, first third-round selection, and first fifth-round selection (No. 17, 66, and 136).
No. 18: Texans to Ravens. Houston traded its first-round selection to Baltimore for the first-round and (second) third-round selections Baltimore acquired from Jacksonville, and a sixth-round selection (No. 26, 89, and 173).
No. 19: Eagles to Panthers. Philadelphia traded its first-round selection to Carolina for Carolina’s second- and fourth-round selections in 2008 (No. 43 and 109), and Carolina’s first-round pick in 2009.
No. 21: Redskins to Falcons. Washington traded its first-, third-, and fifth-round selections (No. 21, 84, and 154) to Atlanta for two of Atlanta’s second-round selections and its fourth-round selection (No. 34, 48, and 103).
No. 25: Seahawks to Cowboys. Seattle traded its first-round selection to Dallas for Dallas’ remaining first-round selection (No. 28) and its fifth- and seventh-round selections (No. 163 and 235).
No. 30: Packers to Jets. Green Bay traded its first-round selection to the Jets for the Jets’ second- and fourth-round selections (No. 36 and 113).
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok- I phrased poorly- in terms of predicted trades, that’s an epic amount. I’m not saying that it’s an unrealistic number, I just didn’t expect “Wheelin and Dealin” to mean that much wheelin and dealin.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 21, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t be surprised to see even more trades go down on Saturday—some teams trying to avoid paying huge salaries to the top 8ish guys and some teams trying to trade up to add that ‘1 piece’ they need to make a Super Bowl run. It should make for a fun day!
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely and totally agreed- this might be the most interesting draft in a decade.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 21, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'm about to O.D.
on mock drafts this week….
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by BillsNYC on Apr 21, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You should try re-writing them every time a trade happens…
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get how you people can research all these players and do a 7 round mock draft. I can barely keep up with the top 20 players.
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by BillsNYC on Apr 21, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just getting through pick 42 was pretty intensive. Everyone has their idea of what each team needs and what they’re likely to do. Some of them don’t seem to know much about the teams at all (Pats taking a 295# DT???) and others appear to be to have at least some clue. Filtering it all and then trying to add in what little I know about other teams’ front offices…..
Don’t get me wrong. It was fun to examine the possibilities.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good job with the avatar my friend.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 21, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed......got to love new babies!!!!
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by Joe P. on Apr 21, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot how small newborns were…size of a football.
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by BillsNYC on Apr 22, 2009 6:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but they are not very aerodynamic :-)
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by Joe P. on Apr 22, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy to tuck and run with tough.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 22, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmmm.....The "Tuck Rule" would have to be tweeked a little.
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by Joe P. on Apr 22, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ve got 4 more for y’all this week. We’re trying to spread them out and put other stuff up… but alas, there are nine of us with opinions. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 21, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we’ll get lucky and another Bill will get arrested and give us something to talk about.
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by BillsNYC on Apr 22, 2009 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright….was just reading this morning’s posting and you used “ya’ll” again…what gives?
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by BillsNYC on Apr 22, 2009 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's one of my favorites...
like “Stay Tuned”
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 22, 2009 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say y’all all the time.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 22, 2009 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian is a southerner at heart.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 22, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet he likes grits too!
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by Joe P. on Apr 22, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nooooooo. Gross.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 22, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A joke is made about taking Derrick Dockery’s younger brother Cedric, but an icy stare from Jauron kills that conversation. Christmas cards will not be exchanged.
LOL!
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 21, 2009 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not a fan of the first mock, but
the second one is very interesting. Getting Matthews, Ayers, and Mack makes me very happy. Beatty…… not so much. Better draft a QB or two in the mid rounds because we are going to see more blood coming from our QBs than a MASH unit!
Your trade possibilities are very logical….so much so I think you should consider changing your name to Ron From Vulcan :-) Trouble is, humans are very emotional beings which could change your top ten picks and trades. First off, Al Davis loves Russell and will most likely want to give him a new toy, namely Maclin. Second, Dan Snyder is reportedly high on Sanchez and is crazier than an oxygen deprived Josh McDaniels. I would expect Snyder to outbid Denver for Sanchez. Third, I would hope the Bills would take the Bucs deal because screwing the Jets is worth it. I am not sure if those changes actually change your trade predictions and frankly I am to dam tired to look for myself :-) All in all, I hope the Bills draft looks more like your 2nd mock than your first……why did a feeling of dread just come over me??
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by Joe P. on Apr 21, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Taking the Bucs deal doesn't get the Bills Mack
As spiteful as I am, I’d still take the Lions deal. Impact players are more likely to be found early in the draft.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.....OK...take the Jets offer as long as you promise me that Freeman will be a bust and set the Jets back at least 5 years :-)
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by Joe P. on Apr 21, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still like Eric's mock the best from everyone..............
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 21, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
:-(
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 21, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Matt -
while your Mock has good playmakers at the top……..I feel like the lines werent addressed well at all…..IMO…….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 21, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:(
:(
~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 21, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh.....I see whats going on here.......
and its working………
Okay, okay
I like ALL the mock drafts given……
:-P
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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 21, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't.....I read one mock that was completely unrealistic by some guy named Joe ........ nevermind.
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by Joe P. on Apr 21, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 21, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute I protest! Don’t cave to peer pressure Cali!!!
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 21, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what this means don't you?
A Mock Draft poll!!!!!!!!
I’ll start the chant. Poll….Poll…Poll…Poll….Poll…Poll…Poll….Poll…Poll…Poll….Poll…Poll…Poll….Poll…Poll…Poll….
Poll…Poll…Poll….Poll…Poll…Poll….Poll…Poll…Pole…Pole…Pole…Pole…Pole…Pole…Pole…Pole…Pole…
Pole…Pole…Pole…Pole…Pole…Pole…?? Ooooops, I did it again :-)
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by Joe P. on Apr 21, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll have to do one once everyone’s mocks are up…
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got something stuck in your head Joe?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 21, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can think of worse places :-)
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by Joe P. on Apr 21, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't need your pity!
Well, okay, maybe I do but somehow I’ll muddle along knowing that my mock is second (at best) fiddle in your eyes.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We added two DEs, a DT, two OTs and an OG.
How many more O Line guys do you want? :-)
That’s 6 of 9!
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 21, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just accept it Matt, you aren’t as good of a mocker as I am. It’s ok, I’m sure you have something that you are better at then me.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 21, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My theory is that you’re a mock draft savant.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the term was "idiot savant" ?????
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by Joe P. on Apr 21, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was trying to avoid calling anyone an idiot. Nice of you to bring it up, Joe.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure sireric knows I hold him in high regard :-)
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by Joe P. on Apr 21, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure I know where I stand with you Joe.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 21, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope you weren't being sarcastic, because I wasn't.
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by Joe P. on Apr 21, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely not. You are one of the few guys around here that I know I don’t have to pull any punches with. A little banter back and forth is a good thing.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 21, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure I am a better singer or something...
:-) I told you at the beginning of this draft thing that this is my least favorite time of year. I don’t watch any college ball and so this is tougher for me than say evaluating last year’s team or looking at numbers.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 21, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. I know you don’t watch a ton of CFB, so it is understandable. And being a better signer then me isn’t hard, I sing like William Hung.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 21, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've driven in cattle with my singing
No, that’s not a joke but the awful truth.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have eaten cattle at a dinner theater before, does that count?
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by Joe P. on Apr 21, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was more merciful treatment of the cows than they got from me.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better not let PETA hear about you doing that :-)
on a marginally related subject
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2eDb5JT3-A&feature=related
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by Joe P. on Apr 21, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Pam Anderson would show up and picket my house.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just tell her you're caulking your shower and ran out of Silicone II
It scares the hell out of her!!!!!!
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by Joe P. on Apr 21, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron's draft
That sure is a nasty selection and I disagree with some of the trades. If the Bills stand pat, I would want the following
- Aaron Maybin (Everette Brown if he was still there) – the No1 priority is to cure the anaemic pass rush. Our offense is irrelevant if we cannot get theirs of the field
- James Laurinaitis WLB – Beatty and Britton will be gone, and its too high for Meredith or Cadogan, so we replace Ellison and introduce our our ‘Legion of Doom’
- Gerald Cadogan LT/LG – a little high but I see something of a Matt Light in him and if Bell comes along he can move inside.
We must not take any risks in our Day1 choices. If we are able to grab Brown at #11, we have zero character risks, but high production. As Lynch has proven, it doesn’t matter how good you are if your character gets you suspended. At this point I would say I can see us signing a LG whether it be someone cut, or hopefully Pete Kendall who has a little gas in the tank, is as hard as nails and can mentor Demetrius and Gerald
- Sherrod Martin FS – with Ko seemingly on his way out and Donte possibly with legal problems we nab Leondis’s old sparing partner from Troy St
- Kraig Urbik RG – a real roadgrader. Walker only has a couple years left on his contract and we can think of moving Butler outside.
- Dan Gronkowksi TE – had a break out as a receiver last year but having signed Owens and with an Offensive Line needing to gel, lets grab a TE who can block. Trent throws to no-one if horizontal
- Vaughn Martin DT – with 3 tackles already, lets grab a raw player to learn behind Marcus Stroud. McCargo has worn out his welcome and Martin from Western Ontario has the size and the speed. The Chargers have been taking a very close look
- Tony Fiammatta FB – if we are going to have a FB, lets stop this journeymen nonsense
- Drew Willy QB – as the Pats have shown, developing a proper No2 can bring very profitable rewards.
I realise I have not addressed the TE situation as I would have liked but with Owens, Reed, Evans and Jackson/Lynch available, I don’t think it as big as need as it was, and in 2010 we can look at Jermaine Gresham, Rob Gronkowski, and Dennis Pitta all of whom are superior to Pettigrew
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