Rumblings Authors Mock, V2.0 - Kurupt's Take
With so much Buffalo Bills news being thrown at us the past few weeks, we finally will get the chance to enjoy the NFL Draft in just a few days. The newest Bills will likely end up being a group that we did not expect, and in some cases, may never have even heard of. But that's what is so great about the event - even the unknowns have the potential to be great players if drafted into the right situation. Hopefully, we'll find a great group of future stars this weekend. We sure need it! I'm getting mocked out, so this better be my final version(s). The first version involves what I think the Bills should do based on the giant void at LT. The second version is my attempt to avoid drafting an OT in Round 1. (For comparison's sake and a good laugh, my first two mock drafts can be found here and here.)
Following the Jason Peters trade to Philadelphia, there's really only one other trade worth considering to acquire more draft picks at this point. I would like to trade Roscoe Parrish, but I don't want to - nor do I think the team needs to - trade him just to get rid of him and get something in return. He still can be quite valuable to our special teams, so I'm not settling for anything less than a fourth.
Trade: Roscoe Parrish to the Dallas Cowboys for a Round 4 pick, No. 117 overall
The Cowboys have a lot of mediocre receiving options as it is with Roy Williams, Patrick Crayton, Sam Hurd and Miles Austin already in place, but they need more experienced depth, and more importantly need to improve one of the worst return games in the league from a season ago. Having finished a dreadful No. 30 in average per punt return, I'm guessing they'd be more than willing to explore a trade for the best punt return man in the NFL. Armed with ten Day 2 picks, I'm guessing that sending this fourth rounder to the Bills for Parrish will be as good as any move they make on Sunday.
Therefore, when Saturday afternoon at 4PM hits, we'll have pick Nos. 11, 28, 42, 75, 110, 117, 121, 147, 183, and 220 to play with. Let's have some fun... after the jump.
1-11: Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi: We need to get Jason Peters' replacement as soon as possible. It came down to Oher and Andre Smith, and I think both are pretty even, all things considered. I made the choice of Oher because I'm too worried about Andre Smith's immaturity, motivation, and weight struggles. Despite having his own flaws (technique, inconsistency, intelligence), I think Oher is a bit safer than Smith, though I can see both becoming Pro Bowl tackles (or out of the league in three years). It's also looking very likely that Smith will come off the board somewhere in the Top 10. Therefore, I'm taking Oher to protect Trent's Blind Side - get it?!
1-28: Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech: I've grown to like Johnson over the past couple of weeks. He's definitely not at the top of my DE wish list, but he's not as far down as others are. I think his upside and potential are so much greater than many of the other DE prospects, especially those to be had at this point in the draft (I'm guessing Orakpo, Brown, Maybin, Ayers and Barwin will be gone). Johnson brings elite physical tools, having great size and athleticism. His knock has always been a lack of intensity and only average production. For some reason, I think he'll be one of those guys that puts it all together in the pros after having struggles with it in college. He's too talented not too. If there is ever a role for Chris Kelsay on this team, it's to get a guy like Johnson to follow his work ethic. This is assuming Kelsay gets to keep his job... I'll take Johnson's potential here, and I really believe he can be a good edge rusher as a rookie. Larry English was my other consideration here, but I think his upside is limited and he may be better suited in the 3-4.
2-42: Eric Wood, G/C, Louisville: Eric Wood seems to be a guy that's gotten lost in the shuffle with all the hoopla lately. The Unger, Mack, and Robinson (nice law firm, eh?) discussions have remained pretty consistent, but Wood's buzz has seemingly died down. Good. I hope the teams picking ahead of the Bills "forget" about him as well. He's got the demeanor, experience, intelligence and frame to be a very good NFL player, even if he doesn't become elite. I have no problem taking Wood to play RG for us this year and think he'll be a good starter for us for years to come. I like Max Unger here as well, but I have a gut feeling that Wood will be a better pro.
3-75: Shawn Nelson, TE, Southern Mississippi: I think Nelson offers the best combination of size, athleticism, receiving skills and blocking upside of any TE prospect that will be selected in Round 2 or later. There is a good chance that Nelson will be gone, but I've seen plenty of scouts ranking him as a third rounder, so I'm sticking with those folks. Nelson can come in and help our passing game right away while he continues improving his blocking. He is a willing blocker who is reliable in space, but needs to improve his in-line blocking. I'll take that. If Nelson is gone, simply give me James Casey, another athletic receiving threat who also has experience blocking.
4-110: Michael Hamlin, SS, Clemson: With the extra picks, I believe we are more than able to add a safety in the middle rounds. I'm still not 100% convinced that we need a SS more than a FS, but I will concede that an upgrade at either would be beneficial. It came down to Chip Vaughn vs Michael Hamlin here, but I think there's a chance Vaughn will go a bit earlier because he's a better athlete. I like Hamlin's production and intangibles more than Vaughn's production. To me, Vaughn is very similar to what we have, a decent/good safety that doesn't make a whole lot of game changing plays. I think Hamlin's production speaks for itself (14 INT, 300+ tackles), and he's exactly the type of SS we need here in Buffalo. He's also a great leader and instinctive, which doesn't hurt. If we add a FS, I'd be taking Darcel McBath from Texas Tech here.
4-117: Zack Follett, OLB, California: I'm not enamored with Follett, but I love his game. Simply put, he's a quality player. I'm worried about his athleticism and quickness, but he's a hard-nosed player that knows how to get the job done. I'm a fan of linebackers that know how to get to the QB and have that added versatility. I think he can come in and push Ellison right away, and likely overtake him if he shows he's ready. I wish we had Ellison's upgrade already in place, but we don't. I don't like many of the OLB prospects from Rounds 2-4, and feel Follett will be as good as any of them. For a fourth round pick that may be able to start and be productive right away, this would be a good pick. I like Tyrone McKenzie more than Follett if he's available, but I don't think he will be.
4-121: Anthony Hill, TE, North Carolina State: You know what? I had to get crazy at some point; it's who I am. We've discussed ad nauseam the type of TE we believe the Bills will be looking for: a down the field receiving threat or a very good blocker who can catch passes if necessary. Well, why not bring in both? I don't know about any of you, but Derek Schoman isn't exactly a guy I want up near the top of the depth chart, nor do I worry about having to release him. Bringing in two guys like Nelson and Hill, coupled with Derek Fine, would really solidify this position for years. Hill is a guy I like that falls in the "blocking" TE mold, and I tend to think of him as a comparable player to Brandon Pettigrew. Similar size, athleticism, experience and production as Pettigrew, only not quite as good. I like the idea of making this a strong position, both in terms of blocking and receiving skills. Adding Nelson and then Hill will also help our young LT Oher in the run game.
5-147: Joe Burnett, CB, Central Florida: I know some of you may be wondering why I'd add another CB this year, and I can see where you're coming from. This pick isn't being spent on a guy I'd expect to see the field defensively any time soon. Rather it's a pick to protect the position for the future, while filling Roscoe's punt return spot. Burnett is a quality player that was very productive at both CB and punt returner. He had 16 career INT and averaged over 13 yards per punt return on 96 returns with 3 TD. He's nowhere near as explosive as Roscoe, but he's an experienced and talented return man in his own right. With McGee and Youboty in the last year of their deals and Florence having just a two-year deal, adding a potential depth CB may be of some importance this year. Getting a punt returner after trading Roscoe is of much greater importance.
6-183: Nick Reed, DE, Oregon: I really, really like this guy. So do Colts fans, apparently. After not receiving an invite to the Combine, Reed went out and put up some very eye-opening workout numbers during his Pro Day. With a nice 40 time and great 3-cone and 10-yard split times, Reed's stock is on the rise. He was an extremely productive pass rusher in the Pac-10, compiling 25 sacks and 42.5 TFL the past two seasons. He's undersized, but a hard worker that can contribute as a pass rush specialist, and at the very least become a solid special teamer. Sign me up.
7-220: Dallas Reynolds, G/C, BYU: The re-building of the OL continues. Reynolds adds good size, experience and versatility to the OL depth. For a late round flier, this guy has the ability to become a dependable backup in the NFL, and maybe even start at some point.
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I don't believe a word Chris Brown speculates on the situation, but since you never know, I will assume the Bills plan to go with Walker and Bell as their starting tackles. Therefore, my mock with no OT selected in the first round:
1-11: Everette Brown, DE, Florida State: No need to change from my original choice even though it's looking unlikely that the Bills would actually consider him even if he's available. Oh well. I still love his potential and absolutely love what he could provide our desperate DL. I wish we could have him and one of the top 4 OT prospects.
1-28: Alex Mack, G/C, California: Since we aren't drafting a tackle to start right away, let's at least bring in the best interior line prospect in this class. I like Mack a lot - not as much as some of you - but I'd be perfectly content getting him at the end of the first and plugging him in at guard.
2-42: William Beatty, OT, Connecticut: Well, I still don't trust Brownie, and I have no confidence in Demetrius Bell until he actually gets some snaps in the NFL. Beatty is an athletic tackle that needs to get stronger and improve his run blocking. He will be a starting LT in this league.
3-75: Shawn Nelson, TE, Southern Miss: See Above
4-110: Michael Hamlin, SS, Clemson: See Above
4-117: Zack Follett, OLB, California: See Above
4-121: Anthony Hill, TE, North Carolina State: See Above
5-147: Joe Burnett, CB, Central Florida: See Above
6-183: Nick Reed, DE, Oregon: See Above
7-220: Dallas Reynolds, OG/C, BYU: See Above
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Best Mocks
Both of the mocks happen to be the best mocks I have seen (most in line with what I would like to see). I get the sense that Orakpo might be there at 11 — that would make it interesting. At pick 75, I like the best available TE — Nelson might be the guy because of his blocking skills (over Beckum, Coffman, etc.). Really would be happy with either of your scenarios.
by labill on Apr 21, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like your second draft better
I think Beaty will be a good RT in this league, but you might as well creat some competition on the line. the addition of Mack to the line is something that I like A LOT. And having Everette Brown on the d-line would be an absolutly TERRIFIC grab.
Personally I like Vaughn over Hamlin in the 4th, but I would not be disapointed with Hamlin at all. Follet would be a great add to our LB corps, not a starter yet, but good enough to split the snaps 50/50 with Ellisson.
I’ve got to say that I would also like to see a FB in the 6th or 7th, but we can probably grab a decent one as an undrafted FA, although I’d much preffer having Quinn Johnson.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I kind of like the second one better too, especially if Beatty can start this year.
Getting Everette Brown, who I think is the best pass rusher in the draft, and Alex Mack, who I think is the best interior lineman, would be excellent.
I also considered taking Mack at #28 in my first and pushing Michael Johnson down to #42, but I don’t think the Bills would go OL with both 1st rounders. I also think Johnson goes before 42 anyhow. However, if it was possible that we could go Oher, Mack and Johnson, that’d be my ideal way to go about Saturday, assuming we address OT early.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking that if Andre Smith is gone at 11 and the Brown is still there, theres a good chance we take Brown… or at least I hope that theres a ood chance. I’d love to see Brown line up opposite Schobel, and eventually take Schobel’s place on the line.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want crazy K? Wait till you see the number of Olineman and DBs I take in my mocks
Your going to have fits after that one!
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 21, 2009 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DB's?
Yikes
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its more like insurance for the DBs
And they all come late in the draft
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 21, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get the feeling that Michael Johnson is the exact LAST defensive end the Bills would consider drafting. The guy is nothing but a workout warrior. I wouldn’t touch him at any point in the first three rounds.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 21, 2009 5:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah i did really like johnson, but now i think i would lean towards English at 28... so i would have to like the 1st scenario better, but w/ english at 28
I’ve heard by many draft experts he is likely the best pass rusher in this class.. he already has the size, to be an every down DE, unlike johnson, and he has a motor that doesn’t quit…
I think we make our team much better by taking OT at 11, because we get one of the elite top 4, and then we leave our options open at 28 w/ probably DE, but still can see where things are at w/ the LB’s and OL again at 28.. i just feel that taking a tackle at 11 gives us more options at 28..
by Shovel51 on Apr 21, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best pure pass rushers of this class are Maybin and Brown. And both show much more upside than english. Best part is both are slipping A LOT so there actually an outside chance that one of them falls to 28.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that happens
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too… like i said, outside chance… I’m not counting on it, but it would be nice.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree it would be
but I just don’t see how it would happen…
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey anything can happen at the draft… even if it’ just a 0.5% chance of them falling that far. (let me dream, ok K?)
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybin has the best first step, and brown has the most past rush moves...and i said likely as in may be... and that is according to mayock so i will take his word over yours..
Maybin may have the most potential and best first step, brown has the most pass rush moves, but i’ve heard and by more than just mayock that english may be the best pure pass rusher in this draft… I’m just giong off of what i’ve heard from experts, and putting it out there.. now i find it hard to believe myself or else he would probably be rated ahead of both of these other guys… but it’s also not out of the realm of possibilities that he’s there at 28, and the real comparison as far as our 28 pick goes and this scenario needs to be between ENGLISH and JOHNSON.. so which would you prefer out of these two,???because we know neither brown or maybin will be there
by Shovel51 on Apr 21, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Buffalo will have the option
Michael Johnson figures to go to one of the LB hungry 3-4 teams that sit between 21 and 27.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree with Brian about Michael Johnson — he’s way too big a risk in the first round. Oher also strikes me as too risky for the reasons Kurupt mentions. Let’s hope and pray the Bills don’t feel they need an OT, because their two choices (Oher and Smith) are both problematic. I do like Shawn Nelson a lot, but doubt he will last much beyond the middle of the second round, if that.
by Macktruck on Apr 21, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Workout warrior....
You mention that about Johnson, but the Bills seem to have no problem with Ayers and Matthews, guys with similar/worse college production. I get the feeling that Johnson isn’t high on the Bills list but that reason doesn’t really fly with me when guys they are considering earlier at #11 fall under the same umbrella for the most part….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Workout Warrior
I kind of don’t think that fits Johnson — although it may very well be that he is all show and no substance. The term is used now for any player who has phenomenal combine/pro day numbers, but I think it should be limited to those who were not otherwise a top recognized player (sucker the team drafting him). Michael Johnson had a very good college career and, prior to this year, was thought to be a top 10 pick. His workout numbers were not surprising at all — everyone expected it. His workout numbers indicates he should be a top 10 pick — but, despite his workout numbers, he is a late-1st/early 2nd guy.
by labill on Apr 21, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but I am not high on Ayer (not saying u are). Not sure why alot of mocks have us taking him at 11 when he is not very good at getting to the QB.
Ideally, I would like to see us taking at OT, TE and DE in the 1st three rounds and I would not be bothered if we took another DE later in the draft. If schobel has another bad year, he would be a nice cap cut.
by PWilliams on Apr 21, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a DEs only job isn't getting to the QB.
The reason he is on the list is that the Bills like him. :-) They think he’s an all-around DE that can play 3 downs. RIght or wrong, that’s the reasoning.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 21, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you, but Kelsay, Schobel and Denny combined for 3 sacks last year. If your going to take a DE at 11, he better be able to produce some sacks.
by PWilliams on Apr 21, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like any mock with us taking Johnson @ 28
being the only 4-3 rush DE in the draft, I’d love to have him come here.
In regards to Demetrious Bell, he has all the tools needed to be a quality LT in the NFL. If any team can turn an underrated, physically gifted, former tight end into a kick arse Left Tackle, its our own Buffalo Bills!!!!
In regards to having 3 4th round picks, that screams “trade up”. Look for us to jump back into the 2nd or third and snag a better LB than Follet
by BuffaloChip on Apr 21, 2009 7:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
being the only 4-3 rush DE in the draft
What? How about Brown, Ayers, English? All are better suited for the 4-3 than Johnson. Heck I’d even take Maybin before Johnson because if Maybin can add more power to complement his speed, he’ll blow Johnson out of the water.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all 4 of those guys are linebackers.........and NONE of them will be there @ 28
by BuffaloChip on Apr 21, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybin is, technically, a DE.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 21, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What? check you facts man, they all played DE in a 4-3 in college.
They might not be the ideal 4-3 DE in the NFL, but i think that they are all capable of playing DE in a 4-3 in this league.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson is a LB as well, in a 3-4.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How so?
He’s 6’7", close to 270 lbs….played DE his entire career….Doubt someone turns him into a 3-4 OLB
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your first draft
Except I take Pettigrew or Mack at #28 and then Nelson at #42 because I doubt that he’ll still be there at #75
I also seriously doubt that Dallas will send their 4th to us for Parrish, especially since they traded so much away to get Williams last year. Their only chance to move up is to package a few of those extra picks in rd 4, 5 & 7
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by keysh67 on Apr 21, 2009 7:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dallas had a ton of second day picks. Why wouldn’t they consider sending one of them to upgrade their putrid return units and WR depth?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First Draft
I love your first draft. We HAVE to get Oher or Smith. Having Walker at LT is recipe for disaster. The only change I’d make to your first draft is moving up a little in the first (if we have to) to get a Barwin, Ayers, Maybin, Brown etc. I am not a big fan of Johnson and think we could move up a couple spots and grab one of those other guys.
I just pray that Oher is available at 11, because I am getting more and more concerned that he won’t be there. I am also concerned that we won’t take him even if he’s there.
by CBATL32 on Apr 21, 2009 8:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We don’t have to get anyone. I see the Bills passing on OT in the first, it would not surprise me at all. If you go into a draft thinking that you HAVE to draft a certain postion at a certain spot then you set yourself up not only for disapointment but also for a very bad draft. I think that if OBD has Brown or Mathews or Pettigrew ahead of Oher on their draft board, then you take Brown or Mathews or Pettigrew.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Brown or Maybin slides to the early 20’s, I’d consider moving up for one of them. I may also consider taking Barwin over Johnson if he’s still available.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
barwin is going to be the biggest project of any player taken in the first 2 rounds...
this guy played one year at DE how many different things do you think he really saw?? how long do you think it was before teams started to scheme around this guy and double him, if they ever did?? most of these other guys were coming into the year as the premier pass rusher on their team and saw double teams from day one.. barwin has all the athletic ability,, but too much of a project for this coaching staff to consider.. remember they need to win right now
by Shovel51 on Apr 21, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barwin has New England Patriots written all over him. Think about him, think about it, he’s played DE and OLB pretty well in college and has shown descent versatility. Plus he has good experience playing at TE. He’s a Mike Vrabel clone!
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree completely... and maybe even more so than his versatility, they have the time to work w/ him w/o having to rush him right out on the field, and expect production out of him which is what we would kind of need out of him in the first year.
by Shovel51 on Apr 21, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because i really do think that in a couple years barwin will be a great player, and based on that i dont know if we are a good fit for him.. that's all
by Shovel51 on Apr 21, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly. I think that there is no possible way that Barwin passes NE in the draft.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your TE analysis and I think it's sound.
Bring all 4 TEs into camp (5 including Stupar I guess) and see which 3 make the roster. It’s not a bad strategy.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 21, 2009 8:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We could always take Schouman and move him to FB!
I like the idea of shoring up the position for the forseeable future, assuming the picks work out well enough. Plus, the two picks would both play alongside Fine throughout the year. Grabbing a guy like Hill in the 4th/5th round is solid value because he’s a guy that the team could have good use for for a long time, even if his receiving skills don’t take the next step.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schouman could be that H-back type fullback.
If that is indeed the direction the Bills are headed again.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 21, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the MIcheal Johnson pick
a lot! I think when you look at any draft prospect, there are certain things you look for. Athletic ability (size, speed, strength) that usually cannot be taught but surely refined. And then football IQ (field awareness, hustle, etc) which usually can be taught, especially early on in a player’s career.
As I look at Johnson, he’s got great measurables. If he had stayed in school one more year, he probably would’ve been a top 10, maybe a top 5 pick the following year. He’s got all the athletic ability in the world, and when he flashes his good football IQ he usually makes a great play. Now, he’s gotta work on doing that on a consistent basis, but the talent is surely there. I like taking a guy like that over someone like Orakpo who certainly is more polished than Johnson but his potential is kinda topped out.
by Renegade23 on Apr 21, 2009 8:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Johnson ...
has not performed on the college level I do not think things are going to change.
I like
11 – brown,
28 – beaty
42 – robinson
75 – ingram
110 – Nic Harris
121 – Hamlin
It would get us possible starters at all the positions of need for this draft.
147 – Hunt
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by Deadpool71 on Apr 21, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s undersized, but a hard worker that can contribute as a pass rush specialist, and at the very least become a solid special teamer.
If it weren’t for the pass rush specialist he would sound a lot like….Chris Kelsay!
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 8:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL—also when making Kelsay comparisons, don’t forget “high motor”.
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by NJBill on Apr 21, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well except he wouldn’t be a “starter”, nor have a $24M contract….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overall
I do like your mocks. Each of them have four of plavers who figure to contribute immediately (Oher, Johnson, Wood, Nelson vs. Brown, Mack, Beatty, Nelson) in their natural positions instead of just special teams. I think I like your second slate a bit better in that the gap between Brown and Johnson seems larger than the gap between Oher and Beatty.
by Ron From NM on Apr 21, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Entirely agree. I think Oher is being overhyped. FOr me, unless Smith falls to 11, I have no problem passing on OT in the first.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your last sentence is why I’d lean towards my #2 as well….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks and the 4th rounders – Harris and Hamlin would take care of Ellison and Simpson to move them to their pro positions as backups. Whitner would be our free safety and Hamlin would be the SS in the box which we need.
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by Deadpool71 on Apr 21, 2009 9:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Harris? I assume you mean Follett! Ha
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First 3 picks
I think the first three picks of the Bills will be used in the front 7 and OL/TE… not exactly shocking, but necessary for this team. I’d almost rather take 2 defensive players since I think it’s easier to find contributing OL in the 3-5 range than it is to do the same with defense.
If a tackle is taken I think they need to do it with Oher (or Smith) at 11 if either are available.
I really think that the Bills are going to take a 3rd or 4th rounder and use it to trade up from 28 to take Pettigrew.
by Pistol on Apr 21, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
love the mock
I like the pick of Oher at 11. Not sure about Johnson, whilst he undoubtedly has the physical skills- but what about his actual play???
I love the thought of taking two TEs as much as taking 2 DEs as these are very weak positions.
Not sure about Wood- love the player, but as a center- why not take Duke Robinson instead to play left guard??
Love the picks of a nasty safety and Follett.
by Rob_Bills on Apr 21, 2009 9:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Everything we have heard says the Bills don't like Robinson...
He is essentially the second coming of Dockery as far as his desire goes.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 21, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My two cents
For months I was CONVINCED that we needed to upgrade a porous defensive line that for the entire 2008 season exposed our above average defensive back corp… You can only cover a wide receiver so long before they “break away”. As we all know, quarterbacks sat in the pocket all day long last year and made our defense look “highschool-ish” at times… But now after the events over the weekend… No need to elaborate… Things have changes greatly in my eyes… Personally, I think that we have set ourselves back one year and another draft from playoff prominence. This year is a draft that MUST concentrate on the “trenches” early and often… My first round selections in my perfect world… #11… Andre Smith… As much as I thought Jason was overrated, “be gone” with his selfish, “me first” attitude… And living in Pennsylvania, the multitude of Eagles fans feel the same way… Smith may have “issues”, but there are immaturity issues with many 20 year old’s… Remember gentlemen? #28… Alex Mack… How great would it be to see this guy be our new perrenial “probowler” for the next 10 years… #42… either Johnson or English… I know that both could very well be gone at this point, but a man could always dream… Either way, take the best DE prospect available…. I know that is not a likely scenario, but in my opinion, the best way to move our team on the right direction is to solidify a current weak offensive line into a strength… The Bills have no choice but to either grab a second tier DE this year and hope they are a “diamond in the rough” or to spend a 1st rounder on one next year…. Please feel free to pick me apart accordingly…
BILLS RULE !
by chaosthepitbull on Apr 21, 2009 9:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Bills have no choice but to either grab a second tier DE this year and hope they are a "diamond in the rough" or to spend a 1st rounder on one next year…
Actually, they’d be wise to do both…With Denney and Kelsay likely gone after the year, and Schobel looking nearly shot, the team still needs more than 1 capable DE. They need to rebuild the position with quality.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree… Thanks for the assessment!
BILLS RULE !
by chaosthepitbull on Apr 21, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Robinson
If you exchanged Robinson for Wood I would be very content with your 1st draft.
by Berg79 on Apr 21, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like both mocks...
With so many needs to fill, we can’t possibly plug up all of the holes in this draft. The reality is that we need 3-4 players to step in this year as upgrades…but 1-2 by seasons end is more realistic. The top 2 picks in both of your mocks can be solid contributors in positions of need for 2009, which is all we should expect. With that stated, I’d rather have Trent alive to face another season (or day) so I’m leaning toward scenario 1.
Is it me, or does it seem that every year our list of needs come draft day grows longer?
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Apr 21, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oher
I’ve been interested in this kid since I saw a TV story on him a few years ago as well as read the NY Times Magazine article called “The Ballad of Big Mike”. I remember reading about the following an incident involving Oher at high school football game:
From his place on the sideline, Sean [Michael’s adoptive father] watched in amazement. [Coach] Freeze had called a running play, around the right end, away from Michael’s side. Michael’s job was simply to take the defender who had been jabbering at him and wall him off. Just keep him away from the ball carrier. Instead, he had fired off the line of scrimmage and gotten fit — which is to say, gotten his hands inside the defender’s shoulder pads — and then lifted the Munford player off the ground. It was a perfectly legal block, with unusual consequences. He drove the Munford player straight down the middle of the field for 15 yards, then took a hard left, toward the Munford sidelines. "The Munford kid’s feet were hitting the ground every four steps, like a cartoon character," Sean says. As the kid strained to get his feet back on the ground, Michael ran him the next 25 or so yards to the Munford bench. When he got there, he didn’t stop but piled right through it, knocking over the bench, several more Munford players and scattering the team. He didn’t skip a beat. Encircling the football field was a cinder track. He blocked the kid across the track and then across the grass on the other side of the cinder track. And kept going — right to the chain link fence on the far side of the grass.
Flags flew, grown men cursed and Sean called Michael over to the sidelines.
"Michael," said Sean, "where were you taking him anyway?"
"I was gonna put him on the bus," Michael said.
Parked on the other side of the chain-link fence was, in fact, the Munford team bus.
"The bus?" Sean asked.
"I got tired of him talking," Michael said. "It was time for him to go home."
………… By MICHAEL LEWIS
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Apr 21, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That is great…I think it might be an excerpt from the book, if I remember correctly.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct sir. I saw it in the NY Times Magazine a few years ago and it was an excerpt from Michael Lewis’ book “The Blind Side”.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Apr 22, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freakin' awesome...
That is what our O-line needs…unless it came with 10 seconds left in the game and our center is trying to get a defensive player to dance…
by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 21, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is one of the greatest football stories I have ever heard...
I bet his coach wasn’t happy but it’s still funny.
Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.
by MattRichWarren on Apr 21, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second Mock
2nd Mock looks better, but I would drop Brown at #11 and draft C. Matthews —you get an impact LB and pass rusher with that pick. Drop Nelson and and replace with English DE and drop Follett and replace with Cadogan OLT
by Bob on Apr 21, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matthews is a good blitzer, which I don’t consider the same as a good pass rusher. Would he help our pass rush because of his blitzing skills? Yes, of course, but we need a guy who can get the pressure off the edge. Brown is the best in the draft at that, IMO.
English won’t be a 3rd rounder, in fact he probably won’t be a second rounder either. Why would I pick Cadogan after picking an OT earlier?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
finally!!!
Thank you Kurupt!!!
I’’ve been waiting and waiting for someone to put Michael Johnson up there. We need a 4-3 end and this guy can be ours if we want him. 6’7, 260 and he had 17.5 tackles for a loss last year on top of 9 sacks and every one is down on him because he hasnt reached potential!! perfect!!!
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
by poz on Apr 21, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's precisely why I like him
Despite all the negativity and talks about a lack of production, he put up some good numbers this past year. He produced against some of the best teams he faced this year, with sacks against Virginia, Florida State, North Carolina, Georgia and LSU (x2). Not bad.
Maybe it’s because it irks me how much people seem to love Ayers and have no problem taking him at #11, but keep ripping on Johnson for a lack of production though he was better than Ayers statwise. Johnson’s ceiling is so much higher and with some coaching and maturity, he has the ability to become one of the top 5-10 DE’s in the entire NFL. Plus, I think he’s plenty ready to contribute as a pass rush specialist immediately.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I attended that UNC-GT game ...
Johnson had a big game. Gave UNC’s passing game fits (I believe Sexton only threw for 100 yards) though was OK in the running game support. Strong on the point of attack, but deceptively quick for a guy his size. GT fan next to me said he just needs to bring it every play and learn a couple more moves for his repertoire.
by sabre74kkn on Apr 21, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes one of my personal favorites.
I would say that right after Alex Mack, Michael Johnson is my second favorite potential draftee.
To me, hes more of what we need than Orakpo, Brown, or Maybin
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
by poz on Apr 21, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
forgot to mention I like the idea of taking him, based on your criteria K. good idea …
by sabre74kkn on Apr 21, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i like the second draft because brown and the defense should be first priority
but if the bills select oher, i wouldnt be upset, seeing as reports say oher can play tackle or guard. but picking a guard at 11 would be a bit high, but either way i see oher starting for us from day one, either inside or out.
id rather get brown and mack, i think that would be better, big defensive help, and interior line help.
well see how it goes though, ill be on the local radio station giving “insight” on the bills draft picks, wish me well. ill be checking up on this site to get reaction, so make sure it updates fast
Bills make me wanna SHOUT!
by silverstreak3k on Apr 21, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Care to post the link to your “insight” when the time comes?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to sound like an idiot
but what do you mean link? ill be on the air, but i can come back when im done and tell you guys what i said
Bills make me wanna SHOUT!
by silverstreak3k on Apr 21, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, won’t there be a link to the station on their website? I was just inferring that.
Or you could just come back and tell what you said. That works too!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 21, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yea, ha i didnt think of that
i actually dont know what station its gonna be on though, im just going because my friend asked me too. she figured since the bills now have two picks, and she knows i know about almost all of the potential first round picks, that i could help her out. if i figure out what station its on ill keep you posted.
Bills make me wanna SHOUT!
by silverstreak3k on Apr 21, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrone McKenzie
Any draft that get’s us MCKenzie in the third, a top 6 tackle, and a TE that can put pressure on the SS up the seam, will be a good draft.
http://thepragmaticprogressive.blogspot.com
by Cookie G on Apr 21, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It should be no surprise that I like either option.
The thing that gets me so excited about Michael Johnson is that he could “bust” and still be a situational/rotational guy who gets 30+ percent of the snaps on defense and still wind up being a 6-7 sack a year player while being a stud on special teams. We all talk about how good Schobel is in run support and it’s half because he does an excellent job and half because I don’t think anybody realizes how much easier his responsibilities are than the other 6 starters on the front 7. A RDEs job in a cover 2 is designed so that he can get to the QB.
I’m still not 100% convinced that we need a SS more than a FS
Sticking to that defensive responsibilites theme, Buffalo will draft somebody who can essentially play both spots. In this defense you need to be able to support the run AND play deep zones. Hamlin and most of the other safeties that have been discussed are solid candidates. You typical cover 2 defense drops the safeties into deep coverage or sticks the strong safety on the TE in coverage so your FS should be more adept at deep zones than the SS, but their run support responsibilities are similiar. The only difference is that the SS is on the strong side so he finds himself being run at more often and spends more time in traffic. But sometimes that traffic can make his job a little easier. How many times have we seen runs to the weak side that require Ko Simpson to come up and cover somebody’s gap and just get taken to school in the open field? Both safety spots require solid tackling and coverage.
More than anything, It’s just nice to see somebody realize that our two biggest needs are easily OT and DE and come up with a logical plan to address them while still finding immediate and long term impact at the other positions that could be upgraded.
by kaisertown on Apr 21, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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