Rumblings Authors Mock, V2.0 - krytime's take
Ed. Note, by Brian Galliford: Yes, this is another post in the Rumblings Authors Mock series. Raise your hand if you're tired of mock drafts and just want it to be the weekend already! Even so, 'krytime' has got some thoughts to share and a Buffalo Bills mock to present; he gets that opportunity now. Everything from this point forward is his. End Note
Here's my feeble attempt at predicting what will happen from now through the end of the upcoming weekend.
Before I go further, let me re-state a few of my beliefs when it comes to the draft. First, I like to draft big guys in the early rounds, and by that I mean addressing the following positions: DT, DE, T, C, and G, in no particular order. I'm also a proponent of 'best player available'. Most important to my strategy, though, is to stay out of the top half of the first round, and accumulate as many picks as you can in rounds two through four.
As such, I’m a huge fan of trading down. The Bills never seem to do that though, as pointed out over the last five years in Peter King’s MMQB. Not once did they move down to get an extra pick in the last five years. Ridiculous, I say! As far as trading up goes, I think it’s fair to say that two of the three times they did, it backfired. Ugh. I get puke in my mouth every time I think of this.
Thankfully, the Jason Peters ordeal is over, and it gave us two extra picks this year to add talent to the team. It also left us with a gaping hole on the OL, and that has to be addressed. I think Kirk Chambers should be given the first shot at LT, and then I’d like to keep an eye on Demetrius Bell and his development. It’s obviously just the homer in me, but I do tend to overrate both, especially Bell. Langston Walker, in my opinion, should be kept at RT, along with Brad Butler staying at RG.
Is there any chance they can improve the OL before the draft this week? FA is never done; it just slows down. Would an old guy like Mark Trauscher, Chris Naole, or Jon Runyan be decent depth options? Brian Waters from KC is the rumor many of us hope for in a trade, but I doubt it happens. I would just like to get another vet in to guard against the volatility of the draft forcing them to reach for a player for the desperate OL.
Parrish Trade Projection, other wild cards to consider
I will pencil in a trade that I do think and kind of hope happens. Roscoe Parrish may need a ride to the airport on his way out of Buffalo. I think he’ll go for a fourth, and I’d like for the Bills to do that. Many here have argued against this. But with only 53 roster spots and the OL surely to have some inexperience, they may have to shuffle the way they build a roster, and in my opinion, it won’t be one that carries six or seven receivers.
Now, as for my super-huge wish of trading out of eleven and down to the twenties, adding an extra second rounder - I don’t think it’ll happen. I just don’t see a player at that spot who teams would move up for. Like Peter King, I think USC QB Mark Sanchez has a lot to do with the way this draft plays out. If he were to last until eleven, then I think some teams would call the Bills. I could see Washington and Denver making a move, but that would barely net a fifth rounder, assuming it would be the first Denver pick. I want to say Minnesota would be a good fit, but I don’t know if they are content with Sage Rosenfels or not. The Jets? Doubt it. Seattle and/or Cleveland moving back up in the first for him? Doubt that too.
So for this mock draft, I have the Bills picking at the following spots: 11, 28, 42, 75, 110, 118 (I used this middle of the round spot as an average for a Parrish trade), 121, 147, 183 and 220.
Just for the heck of it, a few wild cards to throw out, as I‘ll never rule out anything:
Chris Kelsay trade - I really do think he’d get you more than a seventh. Nothing more than a fifth though. It’s something to consider.
Marshawn Lynch trade - Out of curiosity, what would he fetch?
John McCargo trade - Maybe a fifth?
Ashton Youboty trade - Maybe another fourth?
And for the record, I doubt any of these happen. On to the mock… which appears after the jump.
1-11: Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi. I know it’s been said the Bills prefer Andre Smith, but I don’t think he’ll be there. If he is, he’s my pick. If not, I’m taking the next best LT in this year’s draft. His alleged ability to play G makes him more attractive to me.
1-28: Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State. My prediction here is that the Bills trade up into the early twenties to get Pettigrew, using a third-rounder to do so. I hope they don’t. No knock on Pettigrew, but I’d rather take a chance on Michael Johnson. The kid is a freak, and reminds me of Calais Campbell. They say he has some issues with regard to work ethic. I don’t buy it. His dad is a military guy, and all he did last year was produce.
2-42: Max Unger, G/C, Oregon. I would love to see Max Unger fall, and I think he will. That’s who I’m picking here.
3-75: Tyrone McKenzie, LB, South Florida. Tyrone McKenzie is my pick for the third round. I think he has good size, and is a nice fit in a Cover 2. If the Bills were to use this pick in a Pettigrew trade, I’d use the multiple fourth rounders to get up enough to get this guy. It goes against my thinking of trading down, that’s for sure.
4-110: Sammie Lee Hill, DT, Stillman. Sammie Lee Hill gets picked here. It’s good to have an over-sized DT with some athletic ability on your roster. If Chris Baker is here, that’s my pick. He’ll be gone earlier in my opinion.
4-118: Derek Pegues, S, Mississippi State. If Chip Vaughn is here, he’s my pick. If not, maybe the smaller, jack of all trades Derek Pegues will do the trick.
4-121: Phillip Hunt, DE, Houston. I have to pick him here. After all, I interviewed Jim Jeffcoat about him.
5-147: Davon Drew, TE, East Carolina. He’s a blocker, and that’s what I think this team could use. I really like Fine a lot, so I’ve ignored this position throughout the draft, maybe even to a fault. Depending on how things go (for example, with Pettigrew), LB Zack Follett could be a choice here. From what I’ve seen, I like watching the guy play football.
6-183: Ryan Stancheck, OT, West Virginia. Ask me any question about him - I won’t know it.
7-220: Phil Trautwein, OT, Florida. Ask me any question about him - I won’t know it.
I obviously mailed in the last two picks. But they are what they are - flyers on big men who have played a lot of college football in big time conferences. Maybe one of them turns out to be practice squad fodder at best; maybe one turns into a player.
I’m sure I’ll get beat up a little for this mock, and most likely, deservedly so. Have at it...
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You were drinking again weren't you kry?
Why take two developmental OTs when it’s only possible for one of them at bet to make the roster?
Only one DE and it’s hunt… I don’t think that adequately addresses the pass rush.
I like most everything else about this draft. It’s obviously not what I did.
And where do you get off saying the Bills would trade Lynch. Ludicrous! :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 22, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bills would trade Lynch. Ludicrous! :-)
I don’t think it is so far fetched. I took a lot of heat for saying we should trade Peters and look what happened. It all depends on if the Bills think Lynch has learned his lesson. They will be watching him like a hawk. They are not going to wait for him to screw up a 3rd time and watch his trade value go into the crapper.
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by Joe P. on Apr 22, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of Course he's been drinking....
He compared Calais Campbell to Michael Johnson
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by ForeignArrow on Apr 22, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Body type? Okay, maybe that was some of the bourbon…
by krytime on Apr 23, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mathias Kiwanuka is a better comparison. Calais Campbell is big and unathletic. Or at least nowhere near as athletic as Johnson and Kiwi….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 23, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has to be drinking
Trading up to get Pettigrew!!!!!!!!!!! What a waste of picks. We can wait until the 3rd maybe forth round and get a good TE who can spread the field and be a red zone threat. Wasting a 1st rounder is totally wrong
by Bob on Apr 22, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You should just put this schpiel in as your sig so you don’t have to type it every day.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 22, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will disagree with that.
Pettigrew is the complete, all-around package. He is worth a mid-late first round pick.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 22, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could not disagree more with you on this.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 22, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harvin
tested positive for weed that pretty much screws me on our wager.
by BigUgly on Apr 22, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily……… there are teams in the draft that would ignore that character flaw. But teams like Indy that would take that into consideration when drafting WILL AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 22, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think so, simply because I don’t think that many teams will corss of a young player for being young. If he was addicted to drugs, then I’d worry, but a little pot is nothing to worry about. You still have a shot.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 22, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem is by testing postive at the combine he goes into the program and 1 fail and his suspended 4 games
by BigUgly on Apr 22, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah… details I was not aware of… ok yeah that could dter a few more teams than I thought. But some teams sill wont blink.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 22, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, depends who the coach/GM combination is and how they view it.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 22, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, teams like the Colts would not touch him with a ten foot pole.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 22, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll tell you what
Since I am a benevolent fellow, if all of those guys EXCEPT Harvin go in the first I will call it a draw.
Deal?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 23, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
some thoughts
There is no way that Kelsay could fetch a fifth rounder. His contract is a lot for a team to take on in exchange for a decent pick. You could maybe get a 6th from a desperate team, but I think that might even be pushing it.
Why would you trade Youboty?
It’s tough to say what Marshawn could fetch because some teams wouldn’t want to take the risk with him and since teams only start 1 RB, need becomes a huge factor.
Your not getting a fifth rounder for McCargo. He’s in the last year of his contract and hasn’t shown anything on the field at all. Indy was desperate when they tried to get him last season.
Any mock that starts with Oher starts with me smiling. He is the player I would prefer at 11.
Can’t complain about Pettigrew at 28. The value is there and he fills both a short term and long term need.
Unger is another solid pick, although I think the need for good DE prospect is so desperate that not drafting one early pushes this team further and further away from ever being a Super Bowl contender. I think it’s that serious of a problem. This team will never win multiple playoff games without a pass rush from the defensive line. While I can’t complain specifically about Unger, not getting a DE here would be very costly to this team’s potential to win something of significance in the long run.
Tyron McKenzie looks good in the third round. I’m worried about his coverage abilities, but the athletic ability is there for him to figure it out. I’ll take chances on upside instead of an undersized coverage linebacker every time.
Sammie Lee Hill ….. eh. It’s not a bad pick, but I think people are looking at the list of DT prospects and noticing what he weighs and overrating him as a result. I think he is a better fit in a two gap scheme and the scouting reports I have read all say he is a good athlete for his size, but that he lacks a burst. I think explosion is the most important quality a defensive lineman can have in this defense.
I can pretty much guarantee that the Bills will not draft Derek Pegues or any other small free safety. The scheme that Buffalo runs requires both safeties to help in run support. In our one gap scheme, any time that a player screws up and can’t cover his gap, it is the safeties responsibility to come up and make the tackle. Whitner, Scott and Simpson combined for 197 solo and assisted tackles. Simpson had 51 solo tackles. Pegues won’t even be on Buffalo’s draft board as someone to consider until near the end of the draft.
I like Phil Hunt, but everybody knows where I stand on the DEs. He just isn’t enough.
I like Davon Drew and I think that Buffalo can ignore TE to this extent if they want.
If you’re drafting Oher do you even need one developmental OT? How is the depth chart going to look with Chambers, Bell and McKinney as backups AND two offensive tackles?
by kaisertown on Apr 22, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just noticed that you would have wanted Michael Johnson at 28. I guess I should read more carefully before I go on my DE rants.
by kaisertown on Apr 22, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually should have worded that much, much better. I really did take Michael Johnson in my draft. I just don’t see OBD letting Pettigrew out of their sights. Like I said – I worded that really wrong.
Pegues was a bit of a reach, and I knew it, especially for the scheme play like you mentioned. I thought about getting Hamlin in here somewhere, but for some reason, I just don’t know why.
The two OT’s picked at the end were just practice squad fodder in my book. Maybe a guy or two who can be developed.
by krytime on Apr 23, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oher and Johnson, you know someone who agrees with that!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 23, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McKinney is a guard, not a tackle...
Oher and Walker, backed up by Chambers, Bell is developmental guy. I agree with you Kaiser.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 22, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I didn’t mean to imply that McKinney could play tackle, I was just talking about the depth chart as a whole. College offensive tackles are regularly converted into guards, especially the late round guys. So I’m just thinking about where guys like Trautwien or Stancheck could fit on the roster in any capacity.
by kaisertown on Apr 22, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
makes sense.
I think we have a developmental guy at tackle and a logjam at backup guard, assuming we draft a starter. They may draft one developmental guard to stick on the practice squad or something…
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 22, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but I don’t like Oher at #11. Using that high a pick on an o-lineman who is so inconsistent and who seems to lack a killer instinct makes no sense to me. I would hope we could trade down (perhaps by swapping picks with Detroit in both the first and second rounds) and take Alex Mack instead. He’s a much more solid prospect for LG.
A few other possibilities nobody has been talking about. What about T.J. Lang in the 3rd or 4th as a reserve interior o-lineman (and also an OT — that’s what he played in college)? He is extremely strong, mobile, and nasty. And why aren’t we talking about Clint Sintim at #28 as a combo OLB/DE (he is 6’ 3" and 256 lb.)? He is everything the Bills want in their top defensive pick — fast, instinctive, hard-hitting, and a first-rate pass-rusher. I really like the choice of Sammie Lee Hill and would take him over Chris Baker, who has major character issues and may not do that well on the pro level.
It’s interesting that with all the players now said to be on the trading block, McCargo is not one of them. It looks like the change in d-line coaches may give him another chance, at least until late August.
by Macktruck on Apr 22, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But where would Sintim play? He’d be a LB here and he doesn’t have the coverage skills needed to do that. He fits perfectly in a 3-4 not in our 4-3. He’s even on Brian’s Worst fit list. Of course so is Andre Smith…..
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 22, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given Sintim’s size (Brian has him at 258 lbs), why couldn’t he be a DE in a 4-3 defense? That would make his coverage skills less of a problem. What he can do is rush the passer, recording 9.5 sacks last year as a LB. To do that you have to have a fair amount of quickness and speed. Again, what I’m saying is that it’s a possibility no one has really been talking about. Maybe it wouldn’t work, but I hope OBD has at least thought about it. He is a heck of a football player.
by Macktruck on Apr 22, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like T.J. Lang. I’d be okay with him in my draft
by krytime on Apr 23, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lynch
I have actually thought of trading Lynch, but I assumed it was too extreme to even mention. If they could get a 1st for Lynch I would be all about it. I for one would not be too upset having Rhodes backup F. Jax. But it just wont happen.
I hope they dont trade Youboty. I think he will be our nickle back and will be better than anyone in the draft.
by Berg79 on Apr 22, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For a small market, Buffalo does draw headlines. They do extreme things if you ask me. TO and Peters as the latest points of news.
I hope they don’t trade Youboty either. I’ve done a complete 180 on him since last year at this time. Maybe that’s why I’m still holding out hope for McCargo. I’d also like to see them consider extending him, particularly if he has a good off season.
by krytime on Apr 23, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Extending McCargo?
I just don’t see OBD getting away with that when McCargo was inactive for the vast majority of games last year and they tried to trade him.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops. I meant extend Youboty MRW. I should be kicked in the junk if I were to suggest extending McCargo now. I know I’m teh king of handing out extensions, but even that one (McCargo) would be going a little too far..
by krytime on Apr 23, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree - extend Youboty
ANd that’s why they are shopping Parrish & Kelsay. They are currently at 11M$ under the cap so they need to make some room for Freddy & Youboty and then possibly even Trent Edwards.
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by keysh67 on Apr 23, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if they were extending Youbot they don't need to clear cap space...
since he is under contract for 2009. They would have to worry about 2010 which currently is uncapped so it doesn’t much matter. Unless they were ripping up his contract and starting over instead of just adding onto the back end, they don’t need to clear cap space.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry. I thought you were talking McCargo...
Extending Youboty now would work for me. But he still hasn’t proven he can stay on the field. Maybe build in some incentives for games played.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no thanks
I want pettigrew, and I think you might have to use a third to trade up from 28 to get ahead of Atlanta, but if I didn’t do that, you might take Pettigrew at 11 and then get the best OLB or DE at 28, and then do what you must for an OT afterwards…but it might then mean ignoring the interior of the OL till the middle rounds….with that said, this is an all offense early round draft, in juxtaposition to MRW’s all defense first round…which is nice to have both ends of that spectrum, but I see deep-eye-dick going balancing it out…and taking the best thing, and I just see Pettigrew coming to Buffalo to help Trent and the offense and I think Turk and Trent will be lobbying for that. BUT….if they really like Andre Smith, I’d say goes 11 to the Bills, and then they trade up with a team to grab Pettigrew in the late teens, anywhere before 24…..however….there are alot more scenarios than that…and Andre Smith is a risk with his weird antics, but he is better than Oher, and at his best, would/should have been the consensus top tackle, with his agent negotiating with the Lions right now
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by killascript on Apr 22, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
word of the day.... juxtaposition
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by ForeignArrow on Apr 22, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strategery.
everything goes better with a BIG MACK
by keuka121 on Apr 22, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that word.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 23, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Kelsay trade – I really do think he’d get you more than a seventh. Nothing more than a fifth though. It’s something to consider
What is Kelsay’s contract worth? I don’t understand why we haven’t released him to this point and don’t think anyone would offer anything for him. I don’t beleive he fits well into a 3-4 scheme which is becoming more-and-more popular.
Marshawn Lynch trade – Out of curiosity, what would he fetch?
Stop this! You do not trade one of maybe three playmakers you actually have on your roster, not to mention a young one. This was my huge problem with not signing Peters (not a playmaker though). You don’t get rid of your good young talent. His transgressions have yet to be that fatal and we would never get “fair” value for him in a trade.
Ashton Youboty trade – Maybe another fourth?
I think we place a higher value on Youboty than most. I mean c’mon his is from THE Ohio State University and you know how Buffalo pines after cornerbacks from that GREAT school! Also his injury history decimates any value he would have. I also think when he has played (which isn’t nearly enough) he has performed very well. To me not worth trading, I think he would receive a 6th round pick at best.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 22, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My opinion
Why trade Youboty when he had a break out last year and when McGee is entering a contract year? If Youboty, who has now woken up, maintains his performance, we have an inhouse replacement and a nice pairing with McKelvin.
Pettigrew is an unnecessary pick. There is plenty of starting TE’s available on Day2 with Beckum, Nelson, Coffman, Ingram and even Dan Gronkowksi who reminds me of the Giant’s Kevin Boss, and the class of 2010 is far surperior to Pettigrew. This is a guy who scored 0 touchdowns in his senior season.
We’ll be lucky if we can give Kelsay away but a fourth for Parrish would be nice. We have too much depth at receiver, but I am happy if we can get nothing this year but a 3rd in 2010 for him. The way the Pats have always succeeded is by rolling over picks allowing greater manoverability in every draft.
As for Lynch, I think it is his final season here as he has outworn his welcome. If Jackson gets off to a flyer, and another teams RB goes down with an injury, I can see him being traded for a low R1, high R2 pick. And I would use that to draft James Starks RB from the Bulls. Lynch is a great RB, but he can’t be effective when suspended. People will say he should have yet another chance but the old quote goes “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.”
by Kernowboy on Apr 22, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here are my thoughts
The Buffalo Bills Draft for 2009
Who they should be able to pick round by round
This includes the 4th round from someone in trade for Roscoe Parrish. I think this will happen and done before we start the draft Saturday.
1st Round – 11th overall
Everett Brown – DE – FSU – He is a simple pass rushing DE with the ability to handle the run. Undersized but that is what we need for the Tampa 2 system
Andre Smith – OT – Alabama – He was the consencus number one OT overall until some minor character issues. He can be plugged in and start for the first preseason game and the rest of the season.
Mike Oher – OT – Old Miss – He has the most ability and upside of the top 4 OT in this draft but he has lapses at times. He can also be plugged in as the starter from day one.
Brian Cushing – OLB – USC – He can simply play. Has had a couple of injuries during his career at USC but will simply be a starter.
Brandon Petttigrew – TE – Oklahoma State – he will be available here or at 28
1st Round – 28th overall
Eben Britton – OT – Arizona – Solid player and would be our LT come the start of the season. Nothing flashy just a lunchpail guy.
William Beaty – OT – Connecticut – Athletic and would be a great replacement on the line for Mr. Peters
Alex Mack – C – California – Center or guard. He has a nasty attitude. Nice addition to any line.
Robert Ayers – DE – Tennessee – His stock has been soaring but what scares me is that he has only one year as a starter. Taking him at 11 would be a gamble. If he falls to 28 it would be a great spot to sure up the D-line
Larry English – DE – No. Illinois – Classic tweener who would make an impact on passing downs for us. Undersized and may struggle a little against the run. He can get to the passer. Who on the Bills except Shoebel does?
2nd round – 42nd overall
Duke Robinson – OG – Oklahoma – This what a guard should look like and produce. He will pass block and make running lanes. Plug him in to start and go.
Andy Levitre – OG – Oregon State – Guard with skill and nasty streak. We need attitude on the offensive line. Starter from day one.
Clint Sintim – OLB – Virginia – Solid player with speed would become an instant improvement over Ellison. Start him now.
Fili Moala – DT – USC – Our run defense was 22nd in the league last year. Putting player with size and stoutness on the line next to Stroud would make a huge difference. This player would do that.
3rd round – 75th overall
Marcus Freeman – OLB – Ohio State – He can flat out play and would be a starter now.
Herman Johnson – OG – LSU – This man would me the next "House" to play in Buffalo. Going around 4 bills he could move some people around and be a great asset to the offensive line. Have to worry about weight issues. Push him away from the table every once in a while.
Michael Hamlin – SS – Clemson – We need to move Donte to FS and to do that we need a safety who would like to step in the box . Here is our guy and Ko can go.
4th round – 110, 121, other to be named later
We have three picks in this round to get three of the following
Jonathon Casillias – OLB – Wisconsin – An undersized linebacker with speed. A three year starter and would be a starter for the Bills.
Cornelius Ingram – TE – Florida – He is a year removed from ACL surgery and was a potential first round pick but decided to come back for his senior year. Tore up his knee in spring practice. We need a TE to stretch the field and he can do it. The potential for reinjuring his knee will allow him to fall to the 4th round.
Travis Beckum – TE – Wisconsin – Another TE bitten by the injury bug. Has great pass catching skills and would need work on blocking skills for the run game. The Bills can teach him that. A vertical threat is what we need from the TE position.
Zach Follett – OLB – California – Tackling machine. He is undersized and would beast fit into the tampa 2 system.
Phillip Hunt – DE – Houston – He has been profiled on the website. Look it up.
Cortney Greene – SS – Rutgers – Safety who is loves making a hit and can play in the box. Donte to FS here we come.
Nic Harris – OLB – Oklahoma – played Safety in college and projects to OLB in the pros. Buffalo already had him at OBD. He would be a great addition.
5th round – 147 overall
Mike Wallace – WR – Ole Miss – This is the new Roscoe Parrish but he is taller by about an inch. Simply a special teams pick.
Corey Irvin – DT – Georgia – Has visited OBD and has a good upside and playing next to a former Bulldog in Stoud would be a good thing.
6th round – 183 overall
Dan Gronkowski – TE – Maryland – Just a TE who can block and catch. Cannot stretch the field. He has a high motor.
Lydon Murtha – OT – Nebraska – Has potential to be a starter in this league but needs to work on skills and technique. A nice back up with upside
Brandon Walker – OG – Oklahoma – Has potential to be a solid contributor on the next level. Was over shadowed by Duke Robinson and Phil Loadholt in college.
7th round – 220 overall
Tony Fiammetta – FB – Syracuse – His is simply a great blocking back who can catch the ball out of the backfield. One of the best FB available in this draft. If he is here the Bills lucked out.
Brett Helms – C – LSU – Undersized but smart is best set for a zone blocking scheme. Anyone who is smart and a center can be better than what we had.
Chris Clemons – S/CB – Clemson – Great timed speed and has upside. You cannot teach speed but you can teach technique.
Here are my ideas of who would be available to draft and fit for the Bills. Let me know what you think. If anyone of these player is drafted by the Bills that would make the team better.
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by Deadpool71 on Apr 22, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d take
1 Brown DE
1 Laurinaitis WLB – we need to replace Ellison
2 Cadogan LT – reminds me of Matt Light
3 S Martin FS
4 Urbik RG
4 Gronkowski TE – he’s climbing up boards as a blocker who can catch
5 V Martin DT – to learn behind Stroud. Big but fast
6 Fiammetta FB
7 Willy QB – the Pats have shown the merits of a homegrown No2
I read a review about the OT is this draft and what they said was it was quantity over quality. None would be ahead of Brandon Alberts if they have come out last year, and that was a view of scouts and GMs. They scored the top 4 and A Smith was considered a scary risk, Oher was a guy whose reputation was bigger than evidence, J Smith could be a combine wonder whilst Monroe didn’t excel in any one area.
For me Andre Smith will be a massive bust because he does not have the desire nor the discipline. Michael Oher has always taken time to settle and learn, Ayers simply lacks the production to merit such a high pick and he is only getting consideration because of the small size of other DEs. Beatty and Britton will go to the likes of Detroit and Minnesota.
We need high character, hard working guys in this draft, with zero character flaws, a blue collar attitude, and none of the prima donna me first attitude. The Front Office will have learnt their lesson having waded through the mess caused by Peters, Lynch, Whitner and Simpson this off-season.
by Kernowboy on Apr 22, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of...
You still need the best playmakers on the field, and they are still football players…meaning that a little trouble is bound to occur, but you can’t go cutting players or getting rid of them without a due second chance.
Peters doesn’t fit that bill outside of the prima-donna thing, and that is why I am weary of Andre Smith…and I think the Bills might ignore OT in the first just for those reasons you stated
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by killascript on Apr 22, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laurinitis would be a horrible trade for us. He is the EXACT SAME type of LB as Poz, i.e. will amount a huge amount of tackles constantly each year, but he isn’t a playmaker. We don’t need another one of those LB’s. What we do need is a Terrell Suggs type of LB, may only amount 60 tackles, but 20 of those will change changing plays as either sacks, forced fumbles or tackles for losses. We need a LB to compliment Pz, not copy him. I’d aim at Tyronne McKenzie in the third of Zach Follet in the 4th to fill the role at LB.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 22, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laurinitis would be a horrible trade for us
Sorry that should read that Laurinitis would be a horrible draft pick for us.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 22, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gronkowski
If were gunna take him id rather wait a yr for his younger brother from Arizona hes a better blocker and better pass cathcer and does not come from the weak ACC he comes from the Pac 10… I kno its another yr but no point in taking him in my eyse when this guy is the same as Fine
by danntheman on Apr 22, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets just trade our whole team away!
I can’t believe you even think about trading marshawn, he is our best player by a long shot. He is a raising star in this leauge and will be a pro bolwer for many years. I am guessing your suggesting this because of his character issues. He is 22 years old. I am 22 years old. Do you remember when you were 22, did you ever go out and do things you shouldn’t have? grant it you probably didn’t have a loaded gun in your car but he will mature, he realizes he needs to grow up if he wants to keep playing in this leauge. He is a top 5 running back in the leauge. Y don’t we just trade away stroud, poz, trent ewards, lee evans and T.O too? I don’t get y everyone is so trade happy this year. The draft is highly over rated. I would use our number ones for people like Julius Peppers instead of drafting a unknown in Maybin, Brown, Orakpo etc.. wouldn’t you? I like Andy Reids thinking, problem is he got a horrible lineman in Peters.
by csc06258 on Apr 22, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
problem is he got a horrible lineman in Peters.
I don’t know about that. Did he overpay would be a better argument, but he is by no means horrible. The best argument is that the Bills did no wrong getting rid of him and the Eagles did no wrong in paying the big man….yet anyways, and by week 3 we’ll all know for sure
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by killascript on Apr 22, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheesh, relax. Nowhere did kry say “trade Marshawn!” He put it up for discussion purposes, and it has a bit of merit. I don’t think he really wants to trade Lynch.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 22, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im just saying, why even think about trading are only (in my opinion) good player away. By the way you do a great job with this site, i love it and so do all my friends.
by csc06258 on Apr 22, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this sounds just like the Peters debate a year ago....different problem....same thinking
If Lynch actually shows signs of growing up……..great, I love what the kids does on the field. If he doesn’t, then the Bills should deal him at the end of this season while he still has some trade value.
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by Joe P. on Apr 22, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this is contradictory
But maybe you’re right….depending on the season’s conclusion it might be an easy hole to fill
The Bills CAN win every game
by killascript on Apr 22, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope I am dead wrong :-)
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by Joe P. on Apr 22, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've honestly got to say that it's my favorite draft so far
Although I’m really not sold on Oher, but the rest of the draft, from start to finish, I’m pretty much sold on. Nicely done.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 22, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It is a good draft......though, I like Oher more than most here seem to.
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by Joe P. on Apr 22, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See i really don’t like Oher and think we’d be better served by drafting Pettigrew, Matthews or Brown ahead of Oher.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 22, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to all mocker out there.....I have found the BEST MOCK DRAFT IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD
http://www.jockandballs.com/2009/04/nfl-cheerleader-draft-picks-1-10.html
Sireric will like #10 and Brian will like the Steelers pick at #32.
I am a homer :-)

By the way, I hate Tom Brady :-P
"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker
by Joe P. on Apr 22, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Joe, how did you do that? I tried to copy and paste a sponge bob picture on here one time before and it wouldn’t take. What did i do wrong?
Are we drafting Dino's now?
"6'6" monster receiver with a Terradactyl wingspan "....... Keysh67
by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 22, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to upload the image to someplace like imageshack first, then you can get an address to post it.
I know the “bare” minimum on the subject. Kurupt does a better job of explaining it.
"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker
by Joe P. on Apr 22, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha
If you found the picture on a website, just right click the image and either click “View Image” or Properties in order to get the URL for the image only. Copy that URL. In order to post it here, just click the little tree icon
just above the box you type your replies in. Paste the picture’s URL in that, click ok, and you should be good to go….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 23, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great pick… can we draft her? :P
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 22, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, yea i was thinking the same thing. Just didn’t add to what i typed above.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
"6'6" monster receiver with a Terradactyl wingspan "....... Keysh67
by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 22, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. Best Mock Ever
How did Octomom get in there? Here’s Octomom in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxtgLzi-aK0
And what is that girl’s name who posed with Tebow? Big something(s). I vote for her.
everything goes better with a BIG MACK
by keuka121 on Apr 22, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL....man those babies really wanted out!!!!!
"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker
by Joe P. on Apr 22, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big something(s)
I think she calls them Milli and Vanilli because they were fake too!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwrL9MV6jSk
"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker
by Joe P. on Apr 22, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucy Pinder
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 23, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is Elisha Cuthbert, she was dating Sean Avery. I’m sure that will ruin this pic for all of you Sabre’s fans. Rangers up 3-1 baby!!
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 23, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah...
Doesn’t ruin it for me. :-)
Chris Drury scores a game winner. I miss that guy.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rangers are impressive… much more so than my pathetic habs… than again at least my team made the playoffs, eh Sabres fans.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 23, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha...
someone forgot to tell them!
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 Games and AO has 1 goal. Not many people would have expected that. King Henrik reigns.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 23, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it wasn,t for Henrik I think it would be 3-1 Caps. If Henrik plays like this for all the layoffs you guys might actually have a chance at the cup.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 23, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even I won’t go that far….yet.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 23, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey if he can shut down Ovy, you got a shot… now lets see if you can outplay Boston… Good luck!
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 23, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rangers lost to Boston twice this year by combined score of 2-0.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 23, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or at least a much better shot than the Habs did.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 23, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is my first 3 rounds
11- Oher ( I hope he is still there)
28- DE/OLB some one to get to the QB (I hope Brown will last, English)
42- Cook- We have not had someone stretch the field up the middle since….well neve
by PWilliams on Apr 22, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Keith McKeller?
The Bills CAN win every game
by killascript on Apr 22, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good one. I forgot about him. But, I want someone who has the potential to move those linbackers back a few yards to open up some room for marshawn, freddy and dom.
by PWilliams on Apr 22, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know, me too
The Bills CAN win every game
by killascript on Apr 22, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, i would like to wait later in the draft to take a TE that would stretch the field. I would even wait till the 3rd or move back into the bottom of the second round and go after a TE that has this ability. This is the deepest draft at TE in years, no sense in ignoring our teams needs to improve the overall at other positions.
11. OT or DE (which ever is the highest rated or even consider trading down for more draft picks please if the offer is right.)
28. OT, DE or OLB (which ever i didn’t get with the above pick that has great value at that point in the draft).
42. OG/C, OLB (who ever is the best value at this point)
Another 2nd round pick…….. TE (If we do trade back in the first round OR move back into the bottom of the round to get best Available even if Roscoe is part of this deal).
3rd round. TE or OLB best value
4th round picks……. I like Hunt, can’t ignore what Jeffcoat said about him. Might consider trading other 4th round pick to move back into the 3rd to grab a safety and throw in Kelsay to boot.
5th round…….. DT, OG
6th round….. best available
7th round ……. shot in the dark pick with a diamond in the rough.
So i guess i do agree with you Kry, about packaging some of the above mentioned players to acquire other picks or move up into rounds to further enhance our draft.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 22, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per NFL Network tonite, the Lions are negotiating with Stafford and already have a deal in place with Curry if Stafford falls through.
everything goes better with a BIG MACK
by keuka121 on Apr 22, 2009 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the comments guys. Here’s a few questions I forgot to ask…
Will that new scrub football league have any affect on practice squads in the NFL this year? I thought I read minimum salaries for that league were somewhere in the 300 gr range. Practice squad guys get something like a thousand bucks a week, correct? Just asking…
Does Michael Vick play into any teams plans?
How will the new wedge rules on STs affect how rosters are built?
I forgot to say I wanted to pick up Drew Willy as a FA if he goes undrafted. Does anyone have a problem with that? I know, that’s another homer call, or at least along the lines of my Phillip Hunt pick.
This question may have already been answered on another portion of the site, but I haven’t gotten through all of it yet since I left for the day. What are the times for the rounds? First is ten I know, but I’m not sure after that. What time does this thing wrap up Sunday?
What’s the over/under on whether or not PFT ends up on NBC’s site all day Saturday and Sunday?
Here’s some of my advice for draft day:
- Buy an extra battery or two for your wireless mouse if you have one. You might be flipping through a lot of websites trying to figure out just who in the hell they drafted in round three.
- Buy more beer. If you’re not sure you have enough, then you don’t. And it’s supposed to be nice here in WNY come Saturday, so treat yourself and pack the beer in a cooler. Beer tastes so much better from a cooler packed with ice, even if you are inside.
- Be easy on the websites. Plenty will be packed to the gills. If for some reason a site crashes, don’t bang on it – it won’t come back faster. Have some patience. Make fun of Mel Kiper’s hair or something for ten minutes.
- Choose your menu ahead of time. You don’t want to be in the middle of cooking something while the Bills make a trade or a crazy pick. That’s the way stuff burns. I learned the hard way after ten phone calls following the McGahee pick.
- Have some hard liquor available, but not too much of it. You might need it. I’m not saying you might want it; I’m saying you might need it. Big difference…
by krytime on Apr 23, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Will that league even have the finances to operate this year?
I think the first round is 10 mins, second is 7 mins and 5 mins for all those after. I think….
I don’t think PFT sniffs it’s own servers again until next week.
I don’t know about you Kry, but I plan to be drinking early and often Saturday. It’s supposed to be in the 80’s here on Saturday. I think I’m going to play some basketball, grab some beers on my way home, sit on my rooftop for a few hours, then come watch the draft with all you bozos here on BR. Actually, I’ll probably skip the b-ball and just sit on the roof.
I just hope SBNation doesn’t crash. I would be pretty upset.
I might throw some chili in the slow cooker for Saturday, but that just doesn’t seem to vibe with the predicted weather for the day.
I’ll have shots of cold Pimms available for any Rumblers. Anybody who wants to drink them vicariously through me, be my guest. And I hate Pimms.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 23, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thougth it was seven minutes for the 2nd, but I wasn’t sure. Thanks for clearing that up.
I’m tied up until four on Saturday, but then I’m sprinting home to let the festivites begin. I told my family and friends who don’t follow the draft the following – don’t bug me over the weekend.
I think I forgot to add get papers and/or clean screens to the prep list (wink to Lynch).
by krytime on Apr 23, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish you would have just taken Michael Johnson, so I could like the draft a little more. I don’t think Pettigrew will be available, so we better be looking defense.
I can’t believe you don’t take a DE until the 4th and even then Hunt isn’t really a DE prospect. He’s a situational guy or a 3-4 OLB.
I don’t think they’d take Pegues for the reasons kaisertown mentioned somewhere above. In fact, I agree with much of what he has to say, per usual.
If we take Pettigrew, are we really going to take another blocking TE in Drew? I hope we draft 2 TE’s this year, but both of them in the 3rd round or later, and I want them to be different types of TE’s. I really would like to get Casey in the 3rd with Anthony Hill in the 4th/5th.
Where did you even find those two developmental tackles? Neither seem to be ranked anywhere near draftable. And why would we want not one, but two developmental tackles? We already would have 4 OT’s on the roster, including the developmental Bell. Both of those picks would seem to be wasted to me.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 23, 2009 2:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was an idiot the way I wrote up my second pick. In my head, I was taking Johnson. My fingers typed that Pettigrew stuff though. Happens to me a lot.
In fact, I agree with much of what he (Kaiser) has to say, per usual.
Go figure!!
by krytime on Apr 23, 2009 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd blame the booze
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 23, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, on a side note…
I was talking to the President of the Penn State Alumni yesterday – didn’t get his name – my bad. Anyway, he’s a Bills fan. Naturally, Maybin’s name came up. I was high on Maybin. Dude tells me not to touch him with a 20 foot pole, as he’s a one year wonder for sure. Said it kills him too, because he’d love to see another Nittany Lion on the Bills.
Just thought I’d throw that out there.
by krytime on Apr 23, 2009 8:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TRADE DOWN
I’m a huge fan of trading down too and I think it makes a ton of sense for Buffalo in this draft. If a partner can be found, trade down in Round 1 and pick up an extra pick in Round 2. That would give us 4 picks in Rounds 1 and 2. Focus on the OL and DL with all 4 picks in rounds 1 and 2 – we need serious help in both trenches.
by Galloping Ghost on Apr 24, 2009 7:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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