The #11 pick is Pettigrew
by Buffalonian on Apr 22, 2009 10:44 PM EDT
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PrintI don't think the Bills FO would have traded Peters if they felt they could'nt fill the void with players already on the roster. You know they didn't talk about Peters for an hour or two, it was the topic for weeks. I believe they convinced themselves that they can still go forward with their draft plans, in lieu of trading Peters. I just can't imagine they said "well we don't think we can solve the LT issue in house, but lets trade Peters anyway and hope this LT is there at #11 or this LT at #28", etc.
I believe they are going to draft Pettigrew. I think they believe he is the best player at his position by such a large margin that it warrants taking him at #11. I think they feel drafting a DE or LT will reduce them to the 3rd or 4th best player at either position. And that the argument for drafting Pettigrew at #11 is more justifiable than taking the 3rd best or 4th best LT or DE. The 11th pick is just too high to not draft the best or second best player at a position.
Now in saying all that, I am now officially deciding that Pettigrew is the player I hope they draft. I made a comment earlier that I could argue a pass catching TE could do as much for our pass coverage issues with Peters gone as a blocking TE could. Well Pettigrew can do both and do both very well. I feel comfortable saying Pettigrew can play every down.
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Respectfully disagree
I think the Bills traded Peters because they did not want another extended hold out and they didn’t want to pay him $10M a year. I don’t think they traded him because they were confident they had confidence in the OT’s on the roster.
If they Bills do not draft OT in the 1st round, then I will agree with your opinion. Let’s see what they do on Saturday.
Ditto, i respectfully disagree also
Especially on your assessment of what OBD are thinking about Pettigrew. A second round grade overall on the rankings of scouting reports doesnt equate to pick him at #11 in the first round.
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 22, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions
Second round grade?
Where and who is rating him a second round pick?
by Buffalonian on Apr 22, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Scout.com had him rated at #38 overall. so since there is 32 picks in the first round……………. and if i remember, i read a buddy of mines sporting news, you know the one that comes out every year of the draft preview? Well, i think he was ranked #36 in there too, but i would have to look again to make sure.
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 23, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
i respect your opinion
But i want you to give me specific reasons why i should change my opinion that i agree with the scouts. If i were to take Pettigrew, i would do it at #28 OR MOVE UP TOWARD THE TOP of the second round to grab him from my slot at #10. This guy might be the best of the TE’s in this years crops, but, he is not currently graded as high as a Shockey, or a Vernon Davis the years they came out and were drafted.
I have watched alot of drafts over the years. The GM i usually pay closest attention too is Bill Polion. This dude is highly regarded as a master of the draft. The league average is something like 50% success rate, and he is way over that. One thing i have never seen him do is reach for a draft pick that is ranked on the draft board that low. If they want that guy, he will trade down to acquire more draft picks, then select him. Or he will trade up to get a player. Another thing he does, is avoid players that have questions about there character. If you don’t believe me, go read the article on yahoo sports about the colts. They talk about Polion in this article.
My Bills have enough character problems on this team, i would avoid Pettigrew because, i’m sorry , but he was in trouble in college. I would rather draft a TE later that has good character and is a hard worker that already has receiving skills and work with him with his blocking then take a TE in the upper part of the draft that might be a good blocker, but doesn’t carry but average offensive numbers from college. You can make the arguement of the offensive scheme OK. St. runs, but in the redzone he was a total non factor the last 2 years. And from the games i seen, this was not scheme related.
Hey, i might be wrong about the dude. He might be a killer of a receiver in the NFL with the right team. He might not get into trouble again. He might, but then again, might not. When you do a comparison with Derek Fine and Pettigrew with scouting comparison and stats from college they are pretty equal except for the height. And i’ll be the first to admitt when i’m wrong, i am so far wrong about my assessment of Vernon Davis. I thought that dude was going to be great and it hasn’t materialized yet. Maybe it’s scheme related, or, is there a character flaw there and that is why Mike Singletary went off on him on the sidelines. I’m not sure, but there is a problem there. And if Vernon Davis was in this draft with Pettigrew, we all would be drooling over getting Vernon Davis, and probably there is no mention about Pettigrew.
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 23, 2009 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
It depends on the Bills evaluation of the player
Scouts, Inc, which is ESPN owned, has Pettigrew rated as the 12th best prospect in the draft. Scouts.com now has Pettigrew rated at 28. That’s a pretty big range, so there’s no telling where the Bills have him rated. If they have him as a Top 15 guy, it’s not much of a reach at 11. Although, personally, I think 11 is high and that he could be had in the early 20’s and maybe even at 28.
Kiper has him at number 7...
none of these people’s opinions matter. It’s OBD’s opinion.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Its possible they had him as 38 or 36 overall
But that doesn’t mean he isn’t getting a first round grade. In order to find his draft value, you have to consider his position. He is by far the best TE prospect in this draft. He has a unique blend of talent and potential that none of the other TE prospects have. His blocking skills will allow him to start from day 1 on any NFL team. None of the other TE prospects are even close. They might have an impact in one aspect or another, but none of the other prospects are every down TE’s. That is why Pettigrew will probably be gone somewhere in the middle third or the first round.
by syrbillsfan on Apr 23, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Right you are....
That #11 is too early for Pettigrew (I don’t know I’d call him a second round talent though), but that doesn’t mean the Bills won’t pick him if he’s the top player on their board when #11 rolls around. They did it with Whitner. Besides, we have to give Mel Kiper something to criticize us about this year…I am so happy for the NFL network (that I can go an entire draft without hearing Mel talk).
Though I don’t want Pettigrew to be our first pick, if he is I hope they move back a few picks to take him and get another day two pick out of it. Do people really think the Jets might take him at 17? A first round TE two years in a row?
by BuffaloWill on Apr 22, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, Mel takes his job pretty seriously. I have seen him on draft day about lose his mind about a teams pick. I think he went off about Buffalo moving back into the 1st round to get McCargo and Mel had him rated down past where Buffalo was going to pick in the second round. Sometimes Mel can grate on your nerves, but, sometimes i find him quite humorous when he is going off about a selection.
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 23, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Forget those grades
The draft is about who you think would pick whom at what position. If you have a player as the best on your so-called “board” when #11 comes around and you think that a team behind you might pick him before your next pick, and you can weigh the probability of which player, the best at 11, or the best at 28, is the better player then thats why you pick him…because he is the best player on your board.
Three OTs could be gone in 1-10
Both QBs
A DT
A LB
and a DE
That leaves you with the second best LB, second best DE, second best DT, third best QB, fourth most talented OT, Best RB, Best CB, Best S, and finally best TE – Pettigrew.
Then you have to consider the drop off in talent and who will be aroundnot only at 28, but 42. If at DE, you can get a very similarly graded DE at 28 and 11, same with LB, and even OT, but not TE…then you draft Pettigrew…a player many project to go to Atlanta at 24 if not Buffalo at 11
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by killascript on Apr 23, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Oops
In that scenario, Maualuga, and Crabtree would fall to us….this mock draft thing is pretty crazy…because its hard not to take certain players that high, and now when I think about it….I’d say you might not want to take Pettigrew…but then again, he’ll be gone…no wonder Jauron has no emotion
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by killascript on Apr 23, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
hmm, i think if Buffalo picks Pettigrew at #11
I’m going to pull a Mel Kiper on here. hahahahaha, and go off like a roman candle about the selection. I’ll try to do my best Mel inpersonation on here for everyone’s amusement.
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 23, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Funny but Mel would be OK with that pick...
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting...
You are saying that it’s better to take the best TE than the third or fourth best DE or OT? I don’t follow that logic…if the talent pool for OT and DE is deep (which it is) you are still getting a player with high potential at a very important position (IMO more important than TE by a longshot, especially in an offense that has never really featured a TE in the passing game). Second, I think OT and DE are bigger needs right now – we’ve addressed giving Trent another target and pulling some coverage away from Evans. Losing the left side of our line and not being able to get to the other teams QB are problems for us right now – that’s why I’d take the third or fourth best OT/DE over the best TE.
If we take him though, I will be excited to see if he lives up to the hype of a “once every five years” player. I have to admit that sounds like someone I’d want on my team.
The logic doesn't
apply to every position nor to every TE every year. I am saying I think it’s possible the Bills think he is a once in every five years type of player. So yes you take him over the 5th best LT, or the 3rd or 4th best DE. Especially when you have the #28 pick in the first round also and can address those positions with a comparable grade. Again, I certainly don’t know Pettigrew well enough to commit to him being a rare talent, but I believe the Bills FO does. Then I am on board with taking him that early vs the 3rd, 4th best player at another position.
So again, I am not discrediting your concerns. Just saying yes its better to take the best TE if you believe he is a rare talent.
You have t ask yourself what is the drop off between the 4th best LT and the 7th best, who is in between and who will be available when you pick next. SAme with DE or OLB…you can still get talent at 28 in the other positions whereas with the TE you might miss out on the only difference maker. This may not be true, but there has to be some logic there
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Its about what a team feels its needs are (not what we feel the teams needs are) and about the teams feeling on what the other teams needs are. If we NEED a TE, and they think there is a big drop off from TE#1 to TE#2, they’ll “reach” (according to the media) if they think Team B or C is looking for a TE as well. In reality, a player is only a “reach” if the team was taking a guy they didn’t really want. The guys on TV or whatever can say so and so “definitely” would have still been there when a team has its next pick, but who really knows? As far as this draft, it seems there is decent talent to go around for the first round and a half or so, then it all comes down to scouting guys who fit your schemes.
by syrbillsfan on Apr 23, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope...
That it’s not too often that a team takes a “guy they didn’t really want.” If that’s the case I think it’s time for some changes to the power structure!
As for the TE, I am fine with that and yeah, it makes sense that a players value is directly related to how much depth there is at the position, I am just saying that it doesn’t make sense to say that it’s better to take the best TE than it is to take the third best DE because of all of the variables.
At this point
I just want to get this draft over. We have beaten this draft like a dead horse. Let it be saturday already.
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For the record
I want Pettigrew at #11
I think that they have high hopes for Bell, and trust Walker a lot more than people think. That being said, they probably intend on drafting a OT at some point but not with pick #11. Trading a 2x probowl LT only to have to use your #11 on another unproven one would not make sense in my mind.
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Strongly Agree
I doubt the Bills will draft an OT this year at all, unless it is someone like T.J. Lang who will become an OG at the NFL level but could also play OT if needed in a pinch. As for Pettigrew, a number of experts like Kiper and Maycock rank him in the Top Ten of all players in the draft this year. I’ll be delighted if the Bills take him, especially if they trade down first, but Jared Cook and Shawn Nelson would be great as well with our second rounder.
You and me both Brother. Other than a guy who will start on the o-line, no other player will help this Bills offense the Brandon Pettigrew. Starters at OT and OG could be found later, Pettigrew cannot. The biggest weakness of the Bills in 2008 was the Offense. In no mathematician, but even I can add that up.
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couldn't agree more
if OBD has him with a first round grade – and from what i read, it seems likely they do – than take him at 11. “value” determined by antiquated charts and sports talk squack boxes aside, i watch a great deal of big 12 and big 10 college football, and the guy is a beast.
if, as geronimo pointed out, OBD is leaning more toward players that aren’t so “nice,” i can see why they would be enamored with pettigrew. 40 times are largely bunk. i don’t want pettigrew to run 40 yards. i want him to run 12, catch the ball and run over a few people. with an attitude. that he can do.
how many TE’s really run away from people in the open field, anyway? run away makes espn. run over makes tds in the red zone.
the balance in pettigrew’s game also i would think is an asset. as opposed to shoumann and fine, if pettigrew is on the field, turk is not tipping his hand as to run or pass. pettigrew can do both well.
i’d rate pettigrew slightly above ayers, and am glad i won’t have to decide between the two come saturday. if the bills can somehow land them both, and get OT beatty with their 2nd, i’ll be delighted.
by LeClaireBill on Apr 23, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
From what little we have heard coming from OBD, they want a defensive playmaker at 11. And that was before the Peters trade. If a trade down is not an option and A Smith is gone, then defensive playmaker looks like the safe bet.
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We have heard just as much about them adding Andre Smith or Pettigrew...
as we have them adding Matthews or Ayers. There are literally over a hundred ways the first round for the Bills could shake out. Get your popcorn ready.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 23, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
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