Last Two Rumblings Authors Mock: MARVelous, poz
by Brian Galliford on Apr 24, 2009 12:15 AM EDT
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Ed. Note, by Brian Galliford: We know. You're as tired of mock drafts as we are. Eight editors here at Rumblings have provided you their pre-draft thoughts over the past five days; the last two on the schedule, MARVelous and poz, present you 2 this evening. What you see on the front page is a brief overview of their picks. Click on past the jump if you're looking for explanations for the picks - our two guys did a stellar job rationalizing their selections. And when you're done reading/commenting, breathe a sigh of relief - the mock draft season has come to a close. Tomorrow, the real thing begins. End Note
| MARVelous | poz |
| 1-11: Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee | 1-20: B. Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State |
| 1-22: B. Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State | 1-28: Alex Mack, G/C, California |
| 2-42: Max Unger, G/C, Oregon | 2-33: Michael Johnson, DE, GA Tech |
| 3-75: Chip Vaughn, S, Wake Forest | 2-42: Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma |
| 4-117: Cody Brown, DE, Connecticut | 3-75: Kraig Urbik, OG, Wisconsin |
| 5-147: David Bruton, S, Notre Dame | 5-147: Trimane Goddard, S, UNC |
| 6-183: R. Allen, OG, Missouri Western | 6-183: Dorell Scott, DT, Clemson |
| 7-220: Samuel Allen, T, Grand Valley St. | 7-220: Mortty Ivy, LB, West Virginia |
MARVelous explanation
This is my first and only mock draft, as Brian was courteous enough to give me a chance to proclaim my predictions on his super-awesome blog. I know everyone is "mocked-out" but I had to at least give this a whirl as to what I think the Bills will do and a scenario in which I think they get players to make "immediate" impact. In my mock draft I try to predict what the Bills will do, along with a sprinkling of my personal evaluations. The two trades below are predicators to my mock draft. Never has their been a year where the wait for the draft has run my life as much as this one as the eventful off-season for the Bills finalizes with this mega-event. The theme of my mock is physical, toughness, and productive collegiate players. Below I detail the one trade I make for Roscoe, albeit it seems unlikely he gets dealt at this point. Feel free to ridicule and "mock" my predictions below.
Jason Peters was traded. The Eagles gave us their lower first round pick (28) and their fourth round pick. Thank God this dilemma is now over.
I am also trading Roscoe Parrish. I wouldn't trade him if I were the Bills, but my instincts tell me he will be dealt as the Bills have so many holes right now, they need the arsenal of picks and also will need to make a deal with the devil that Leodis McKelvin does not get hurt. The Bills coaches are high on Steve Johnson and he should get the snaps on offense Roscoe would normally get. I have the Bills sending Parrish to the Cowboys, for the Cowboys 4th round pick, #117 overall. The
Cowboys need depth at WR and Roscoe will be a huge addition in the punt return game.
These trades give the Bills 10 picks with two first rounders and three fourths. It gives the Bills flexibility.
1-11: Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee. The growing sense is that OT will fly off the boards in the top 10 this Saturday. Brian says the most likely OT that the Bills would take is Andre Smith and I don't see him slipping past GB or SF. While Michael Oher,
Brian Orakpo and BJ Raji may be available at #11, I'm comfortable if the Bills select Mike Mayock's #1 rated defensive prospect. The need at DE is absurd, and the injection of youth at the position will greatly help out Buffalo's defense and may help get Chris Kelsay on a plane out of town for good.
1-22: Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State. The Falcons at #24 may be all over Pettigrew if he falls this far as well as the Ravens at #26, so I go to make sure I get my 2nd targeted prospect in Pettigrew. I have to give up 2 4th round picks to do it (#110, #121) but I think it's worth it to ensure we add the best TE in the draft. Pettigrew's run/pass blocking will aid big time in whoever fills in at LT, and his ability to develop as a pass-catcher as the season progresses is a huge upside. Bottom line is to win in the NFL you have to be able to score points consistently. Now, maybe Trent Edwards will prove to not be the guy to lead the Bills, but adding T.O. and Pettigrew will give him every opportunity to succeed and that's the least Dick Jauron can do with 2009 being a make or break season for him.
2-42: Max Unger, OL, Oregon. This 6'5", 309 lb OL is exactly what the Bills need to bolster their OL. Versatility & toughness are the two words we are hearing out of OBD about their next wave of OL. Unger played 2 years at LT and 2 years at Center. Mike Lombardi always states when you draft a guy, a question you have to ask is "if he doesn't work out the way we want, where else could he play." That's called value, and that's exactly what Unger gives Buffalo. He gives Buffalo more flexibility and that is a great thing for the coaching staff to have.
3-75: Chip Vaughn, S, Wake Forest. My infatuation with Chip Vaughn continues as I think the need on the back end is a necessity. With Scott/Whitner seemingly entrenched as starters in 2009, depth at this position is needed. Vaughn has a
"toughness" that is themed throughout my mock draft, and would be an ideal candidate at SS to replace Scott in 2010. Plus, Dick Jauron can't go past the 3rd round without taking a DB. Vaughn lacks ball skills, but his tenacity and willingness to run over opponents is a breath of fresh air.
4-117: Cody Brown, OLB, Conneticut. I can't see Elison start another season. Brown at the very least, could be a subpackage player in 2009 as he recorded 11 sacks and 16.5 tackles for losses in 2008. He has the top end speed to get after the QB, something Buffalo's defense needs a boost for. At 6'2", 248 lbs, Brown has ideal size. Some will say he is better fitted for a 3-4 OLB, but I can see him lining up as the SAM. Most importantly, Brown is a leader, a player that has through his own hard work developed into a very productive player, and can contribute immediately for the Bills.
5-147: David Bruton, S, Notre Dame. If Bruton falls to round 5, I like this run stuffing S. A guy who could immediately get after it on ST's, and could be a subpackage player as a run support. Extremely physical and has the toughness that I think would be a huge benefit to add to the mix on the back end. At 6'2", 209 he is a big physical specimen who produced 97 tackles last year as well as 2 FF's and 4 INT's.
6-183: Roger Allen, OG, Missouri Western. Toughness, character, a leader. That sums up this small school prospect. Allen made 36 consecutive starts, and is a project for the Bills to start developing. First offensive lineman to receive MIAA freshman of the year honor. Earned first team All-MIAA honors during the 2006, 2007 and 2008 seasons.
7-220: Samuel Allen, OT, Grand Valley State. This small school prospect started 30 games at OT, has great quickness and athleticism and great room to grow into his 6'6" frame. This is an ideal project for the Bills and with this pick the Bills have re-stocked their OL projects.
Alright, let's hear it Bills Nation. I know many of you are not high on Ayers, but the DL cannot be ignored for another off-season. My philosophy was that our defense is in desperate need of a youthful injection of talent. I have no idea what the Bills plan to do at LT, but addin the versatility of Unger, gives me confidence that Sean Kugler has the flexibility to put together a unit that can work in 2009. The addition of Brown provides an extra piece for Perry Fewell to use in blitz packages. Most importantly we got 3 immediate impact players in Ayers, Pettigrew and Unger, and potential impact in Brown and Bruton if at least ST's. Plus I re-stocked the OL cabinet. So let's have at it... what do you think of MARVelous version 1.0?
poz explanation
This mock draft is predicated on a draft day trade which I fully expect to occur. After selecting their QB of the future the Detroit Lions will anxiously hope that Michael Oher will last until pick #20. Jim Schwartz after all, is a firm believer in winning by building in the trenches. Of course, when Andre Smith becomes the 3rd LT off the board to Cincinnati at number 6, images of the 2008 draft will swiftly come to Schwartz' mind. In 2008, Ryan Clady, Chris Williams, Brandon Albert, Gosder Cherilus, and Jeff Otah all flew off the board at picks 12, 14, 15, 17, and 19, respectively. Five LT's in 7 picks before #20. Knowing that Buffalo covets many players who would be a reach at #11, Detroit picks up the phone and makes an offer that the Bills can't refuse and which really benefits both teams. Picks #20 and #33 for picks #11, #110, and #121. The Lions complete their offensive re-birth with Stafford, Oher and Calvin Johnson on board while picking up depth picks they desperately need and Buffalo gets the chance to plug as many starting position holes as possible. In the event of a Roscoe Parrish trade for a 4th or 5th (which I do not include in my mock), the exchange is relatively painless for Buffalo and Detroit.
1-20: Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State. With a rebuilding process along the offensive line, providing Trent Edwards with a complete set of weapons is more vital than ever and he needs a tight end. In addition, Pettigrew's fantastic blocking abilities, which are so good he has held his own against some of the defenders going off the board before him, are a much bigger plus then they were last week when we had Peters.
1-28: Alex Mack, C, California. By receiving pick 28 from the Eagles, monster running lanes creator Alex Mack has to have re-entered the discussion as a potential big time pick up. Mack is the late first round choice and will team up with Brad Butler and Geoff Hangartner to open serious running room for what is now by far the most talented backfield committee in the NFL in Marshawn Lynch, Fred Jackson and Dominic Rhodes.
2-33: Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech. This year, defensive end is one of those positions that will go fast as only two true, play with their hands on the ground, non-OLB hybrid DEs who are considered 1st round prospects; Robert Ayers and Tyson Jackson. That makes guys like Paul Kruger and Johnson shoot up draft boards into the early second round. At 6'7, 230, Johnson excelled at the combine but still scares teams who think on film there is proof that he has never played up to his potential. With Buffalo in win now mode, they will take a risk an athletic specimen who recorded 17.5 tackles for a loss and 9 sacks. Not only that, but a place like Buffalo, which has its top three defensive ends over the age of 30, is the perfect place for a guy like Johnson to finally reach his potential; surrounded by hard working, knowledgeable, and high motor veterans who will push him.
2-42: Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma. With Chris Brown hinting the Bills are comfortable moving forward with Langston Walker at LT and Demetrius Bell at RT, Loadholt can come into Buffalo and provide healthy competition for Bell and Chambers at RT. Loadholt teamed up with Duke Robinson in Oklahoma to create a terrifyingly effective run blocking duo and a line of Walker, Mack, Hangartner, Butler, Loadholt and Pettigrew blocking for Lynch, Jackson and Rhodes immediately makes us one of the most intimidating rushing attacks in the league.
3-75: Kraig Urbik, OG, Wisconsin. Even with the additions of Mack and Loadholt, Buffalo remains woefully thin at depth on the offensive line. Urbik will provide excellent depth as he learns to overcome some his deficiencies, mainly how to play lower to the ground. Urbik could back up at guard and right tackle if needed.
5-147: Trimane Goddard, S, North Carolina. My pick for the most underrated player in the draft, Goddard could probably be had later but more than a few scouts will recognize his talent and grab the undersized safety if Buffalo doesn't here. Despite his size he hits like a ton of bricks, grabbed 7 INTs last season, plays with a high motor, and has plenty of game time experience under his belt.
6-183: Dorell Scott, DT, Clemson. Good against the run, perfect size for the position and solid strength are countered by a penchant for not giving his all throughout games. He will need to be motivated, but if he can, there could be value here. Force Scott and McCargo to compete and see who is truly lazy.
7-220: Mortty Ivy, LB, West Virginia. Strong, athletic, a leader, tough. Unfortunately questions abound regarding missing tackles, speed, and technique. Will provide depth as he gets coached up to hopefully play at the next level.
There you have it. I'm sure it's obvious that my draft is offense heavy at the top but I do think that offensive line will be Buffalo's focal point this weekend. Keith Ellison and Bryan Scott have proven themselves to be the least of our concerns and capable of handling their duties if needed. Meanwhile our offensive line is in shambles. Hopefully, this draft takes care of that.
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Marv! A 7th round OT, and 2 safeties? I would like to see a higher rated tackle.
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by thurman on Apr 24, 2009 12:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts and questions:
Marv, are you planning on pushing Wendling or Wilson off the roster if you draft two safeties? I would imagine that Simpson is a goner and that Whitner and Scott are locks leaving the two rookies and one of Wendling or Wilson to give you 10 DBs.
The reason that Cody Brown had that many sacks in college is because he was took the vast majority of his snaps at defensive end. So I think your actually getting more than you bargained for (probably for the better) with Brown who could maybe help as a situational pass rusher and a situational strong side linebacker who could line up over the TE and basically be a 5th defensive lineman. The only problem with him is if you truly can’t watch Ellison start another season because drafting Cody Brown ensures that he will.
I’m not sure what the point of adding another project OT is. What they need is either someone who can come in and have an immediate impact as a quality starter OR if Buffalo were to ignore OT in the early rounds, then I think an experienced and technically sound OT who could serve an immediate role as a backup makes much more sense. Maybe not drafting a LT works out, but some random group of Walker, Chambers and Bell could easily implode considering that two of the three would have to work out for Buffalo’s line to not be screwed next season. They need another OT who is more able to make an impact this season.
Poz, I really like the draft with the exception of Loadholt and Urbik. Even if Chris Brown is towing the company line and saying that the Bills are comfortabl with the best offensive tackle on the roster being the starting LT, are you comfortable with that? I think it’s much smarter to draft a LT there even if they are solely an upside pick and an insurance pick in case the biggest LT in the history of the NFL (Walker) or a 7th round pick really aren’t the long term answer at the position. It would be a pretty big risk to assume that Bell is the future at LT.
How is Buffalo still thin on the OL after drafting two offensive lineman? If the Bills go through with this, they will have two backups who could play OT (Bell and Chambers) and three backups who could play guard (Urbik, Chambers and McKinney) Does Buffalo really need to spend a third round pick on a backup guard when they have two players under contract and looking like long term starters in Butler and Mack?
Typically I would say that a sub-200 pound safety like Goddard isn’t what Buffalo is looking for, but there’s just something about him that makes me think he could play in Buffalo. Maybe it’s just a homer pick because I thought UNC was underrated all last season and they were on TV a lot of weeks and I bet them hard a number of times. I thought Goddard was aggressive and unafraid of contact. He will never be the best tackler, but I think you could overlook that if he can be as good of a centerfielder as I think he could be.
by kaisertown on Apr 24, 2009 12:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my response
First the 2 Safeties. I believe the Bills are in desperate need of toughness. I couldn’t find a DT prospect to draft that I liked for the value, so I went with 2 safeties. Bruton is a guy that could play in that "tweener’ S/OLB role. I know that’s not a reason to draft someone, but I love his production in college and big size. Vaughn I can see starting at SS in 2010. Bruton I can see be a sub-package guy in heavy sets and maybe molding into an OLB down the road. Both these guys are run stuffers that can blitz as well. I think Whitner can now move EXCLUSIVELy to FS, and yes George Wilson is out the door.
I take Unger who can play right away. Then the two Allen’s because we have to restock our OL depth. My plan is for Unger, Chambers, Butler, Hangartner, and walker to start. Chambers at LT. Bell is no sure thing, and Bell can play OG, so developing another OT is valuable IMO.
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by MARVelous on Apr 24, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im glad you also like Goddard
A lot of people don’t but like you, I just get a good feeling about him, especially after I got to watch him play a bit. I’m not a homer too, so it can’t just be bias on your part.
Here is my reasoning for the Urbik pick: In all likelihood, and I think we tend to forget this when mocking, the odds are that one of either Mack, Loadholt, or Urbik will be a draft bust. When we make our picks they all look really good before they hit the field. But let’s say that just one of the three of them is not good enough to see the field at all next year, ala Chris Ellis. That leaves us with 7 lineman for 5 starting positions. With so little talent on the line already, if Walker or Hangartner (our two most experienced starters) go down, we are trouble unless we have as much competition as possible to replace them, ensuring we get a decent player on the field rather than relying on Chambers to be the man in an emergency at every position. If Mack/Urbik/Chambers/McKinney compete to start at RG or LG and Loadholt/Bell/Chambers compete to play at RT or LT at the end of the day our backups aren’t likely to be great insurance. Therefore, I figure, having as many of them as possible can at least create the possibility that one can emerge as a viable player.
And I hear you on LT, I really do. But if OBD is going to move forward with Walker at LT, wouldn’t you rather be prepared with the best RT in the draft after Britton with Loadholt?
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by poz on Apr 24, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get your logic on the offensive line and I don’t really have a problem with Buffalo ignoring a position like LB or TE to focus on the OL or DL. I do like both Mack and Urbik a lot so I wouldn’t really complain if Buffalo did grab two guards like those guys this weekend.
And I just can’t imagine Buffalo really wanting to move forward with Walker at LT. I know Chris Brown said that Buffalo was comfortable with it and while they might be confident in getting through this season with him, in no way, shape or form (figuratively and literally) is he the long term solution at the position. I think Buffalo needs to find the LT of the future, even if it is at the expense of the RT of the present and future. One of the big reasons why is that I think Walker can still be a good RT for another 5 years or so.
by kaisertown on Apr 24, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not tired of mocks! Thanks to everyone who posted one… you all did superior work,
by Mark Parisi on Apr 24, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For MARV
I’d call your draft “playing it safe”, which is probably what the Bills prefer to do.
Why no LB? Cody Brown, I don’t see as an OLB in our scheme. He seems destined for the 3-4 or as a situational pass rusher here. He played DE at UConn, so I’m not expecting him to transition all that well to a 4-3 OLB. I don’t see him pushing Ellison at all.
Why two safeties?
I don’t want another developmental OT. With Bell on board, it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
So I take it you like Chip Vaughn?
~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 24, 2009 1:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my
thoughts are Brown can line up and play LB. IF not every down, them situationally can be a rush 4-3 OLB on passing downs to start. I really believe he can translate to the SAM. I wanted big, physical players on defense that are good blitzers. I believe Brown and Bruton bring that. George Wilson shouldn’t be on an NFL roster anywhere on this planet. Chip Vaughn I believe could play FS, but is much better suited at SS. I think Bruton can translate to a Bryon Scott esque role after a year of learning. I want to help out this defense. I think Bruton/Vaughn/Brown can do that situationally to get after opposing QB’s. I’ll admit 2 Safeties is a reach, but I just couldn’t find a DT that I liked. I wanted to take Goodson of Texas A&M but I couldn’t rationalize a RB
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by MARVelous on Apr 24, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How often do we blitz a safety though???
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 24, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bills need coverage ability more than blitzing from their SAM linebacker. That would allow Mitchell to be the blitzing LB. Our problem is that Ellison can cover OK, but doesn’t have the meanness and stature to be what we really need at that position. Brown has the size the Bills are looking for, but he probably can’t cover the slants / intermediate zone the way we would need him to.
by syrbillsfan on Apr 24, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For poz
Honestly, I like it. Of all the scenarios with Pettigrew as the top pick, this is probably the only one I like!! I don’t want him at #11, but moving down to get him makes much more sense. I’d still rather address TE later on though, but this scenario is more palatable.
I like adding Mack there, I figured that might be something you would do! I’d consider an OT there too.
I like the Michael Jackson pick. I think he’ll definitely be a good NFL player, and that spot would be a great place to pick him up. He does seem like an excellent fit here too.
I’m not convinced Loadholt will be a LT in the pros, but he will be a good lineman. He’s a great run blocking and has surprisingly decent feet considering his size. We could do worse than him there, but I definitely want a guy who projects as a LT in the NFL. I need convincing that Loadholt will be that.
After taking Mack, I don’t know if I’d take another interior lineman so early. I’m going LB there if I’m you, we can get a backup OG somewhere later in the draft. I don’t think we’re woefully thin after adding Mack and Loadholt. We’d have Walker, Chambers, Bell, Butler, Hangartner, McKinney and the two rookies. We might have one more spot available, and that player likely isn’t dressing all season barring injury. Give me another OL later on, and I’d be happier.
I don’t know much about Goddard, but that seems kind of early for him. He’s undersized AND slow, not exactly a recipe for NFL success.
I like Dorrell Scott, but don’t think he’ll last that long.
I want to address the LB position much earlier than the 7th!!
Good job
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 24, 2009 1:17 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Agreed with your Poz comments K, their almost exactly like mine
Instead of Urbik I would start seriously considering ANY potential SLB candidate still around, whether that be McKenzie, Williams or even Freeman, we CANNOT have Ellison be a starter for all 16 games again. Yes he is heady, but he physcially cannot dominate from that position, we need a dominator.
Somewhat surprised at the missing 6th CB though, figured you were like me and while liking Youbuty, can’t see the man making it through a season whole, no matter what anyone does for him.
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by WABillsfan on Apr 24, 2009 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On board with K and WAB
I like the “dueling mocks” format though. All that is missing is a, come one everyone…say it with me, a poll :-) . How about a mock draft tournament next year?
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by Joe P. on Apr 24, 2009 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like adding Mack there, I figured that might be something you would do
Since you figured I would do it, I’m going to guess you were expecting this explanation: I figured I’d rather have the BEST (don’t think its a secret I think that!) interior lineman in the draft and the BEST tight end in the draft than the 6th best left tackle. I just think after last year we can expect another big run on LTs and that if that happens, the Bills, with so many needs, might be better served stocking up at starters elsewhere than joining in the run.
As I explained to kaiser above one of the reasons I took Urbik another here to answer your question is that I didn’t see any of the third round linebackers being capable of unseating Ellison. In a year Jauron has to win I get the feeling he’d rather keep an average starter who knows his system than start a third round rookie at a position that wasn’t deep to begin with. Sort of like Ellis and Kelsay last year.
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by poz on Apr 24, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Urbik would be starting anytime soon though! You’ve got Mack at Guard with Butler and Hangartner inside, and Walker and Chambers/Loadholt/Bell at the Tackles. I’d rather get a potential starting OLB there!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 24, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Guys. FIrst post here…been reading for a couple of months and first off just want to say how impressive it is too find a site like this where everyone keeps it civil and light and everyone one seems to actually know what they are talking about.
I really like both of these mocks, but I just have a few thoughts/questions
First, as far as safeties go…I much prefer hearing that a guy grabbed 7 interceptions as opposed to a player lacking ball skills…I think it has been a long time since this team has had a “ball hawk” at safety
Question to poz: I’m curious if you think there would be a better DE at 28 than Johnson, or maybe Matthews could fall to 28. I ask because it seems like if you had the 33 pick, either Mack or Unger will be there. So do you think there is a DE or OLB superior to Johnson that could be there at 28?
I also feel that I have to weigh in on the LT debate. In my opinion it is not absolutely necessary to address the LT position early. Certainly LT is a premium position in football, but is it absolutely necessary for a team to have an “elite” LT. We’ve seen teams win Superbowls without a star at LT. We’ve even seen teams win Superbowls without star QBs (See Dilfer, Brad Johnson, etc.). The way I view it is that we were 7-9 when Peters gave up 11.5 sacks, and we were also 7-9 one he was arguably an elite LT…so why not address other positions. What would you rather have, an elite LT or TE, or LT or DE? Wouldn’t having an elite DE potentially win as many games?
by DCBillsBacker on Apr 24, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No offense DC...
but Trent Dilfer has one of the greatest LTs of all time on his blind side in Jonathan Ogden.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very True
And don’t get me wrong, I am by no means saying that having a great LT is not helpful in winning. And I am not against them taking Smith or Oher at 11. I was just trying to say that I don’t buy into the idea that we HAVE to take a LT at 11. The idea was thrown out there that we essentially traded our 11 for the Eagles’ 28 because we are going to have to take a LT at 11. I was just trying to say that there are many different ways for a team to win games, and not having an “elite” LT doesn’t equal a losing season.
by DCBillsBacker on Apr 24, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that sentiment.
I don’t think starting Chambers there would be a huge decrease over last year.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s exactly how I would put it. The Bills seem to be one of the only teams attempting to develop tackles rather than use a first round pick on one. That allows them to try for playmakers in the first round. They’ve managed to find solid guys over the last few years, maybe this year they’ll reel in “the big one” and get a playmaker at one or two positions.
It definitely seems to me whather a team plays an “elite” LT or not really does correlate with team success. Buffalo with “elite” Jason Peters 7-9, Pittsburgh with patchwork line – super bowl victory.
In a world where everyone starts a first day draft pick at LT, I applaud the Bills for trying something different than everyone else.
by syrbillsfan on Apr 24, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DCBillsBacker
to answer your question, when I was putting together this mock I had Clay Matthews going before 28 seeing as how many teams need OLB in the 20s and how popular a guy with his skill set is going to be.
I waited until 33 for Michael Johnson because I had Robert Ayers getting picked right before #28 and knew that the teams picking between us and #33 were in need of either receivers or offensive lineman. I feel confident that Mack will go to the Steelers if we don’t snap him up at #28 while Johnson will not go before round 2.
Welcome to the site!
You don’t happen to watch your Bills games at McFaddens do you?
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Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
by poz on Apr 24, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...and Yes
MRW- Yes, my feelings exactly…I have felt this way since the Peters trade…I think the Bills could draft two tackles in the mid to late rounds and adding them to Bell and Chambers see which one of the four rises to the top…Like you said it would not be a huge decrease over last year…I guess they just have to do a little better than allowing 11.5 (or 12 if you believe Tim Grahm) sacks
poz- Thanks for the response and the ‘welcome’…I figured that was your reasoning for the picks but just wanted to find out for sure…I’m assuming this means you are higher on Mack than the other G/C’s? If that is the case I am 100 percent on board with you, that picture of him on the site a few weeks ago made him look like a total BA…and yes I generally watch the games at McFadden’s, although I missed the last few last season because I had to study
Again, both great Mocks and wouldn’t be upset at all to see either of them happen
by DCBillsBacker on Apr 24, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best Rumblings Mock So Far
That’s poz’s mock, which addresses the team’s most crucial needs. The proposed trade with Detroit is very appealing if the Lions would go for it. I would substitute Connor Barwin for Michael Johnson at #33 on the grounds that he is much faster and far less likely to take plays off, and I would probably go with an OLB at #42 on the thought that we don’t need another OT, but even with the original selections I believe poz adds some genuine talent at key positions.
by Macktruck on Apr 24, 2009 1:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Connor Barwin
could be solid if hes there at 33 but do you see him as a 4-3 end or a 3-4 OLB?
I figured with a name like Macktruck you would like the second pick!
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
by poz on Apr 24, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would be delighted if the bills ended up drafting the first 3 selections as you listed them…
by chaucer on Apr 24, 2009 1:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To echo most of the above, I’m really liking poz’s draft. If Goddard is gone before us in the fifth though, Scirotto (yay, homerism) should be there in the seventh and fits the basic description (hits like a ton of bricks, somehow gets a lot of picks, woo, rhyming). Just a thought.
Also, that deal with the Lions makes way too much sense to happen, right? I’d love for it to happen, but it just seems way too…logical.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 24, 2009 2:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, that deal with the Lions makes way too much sense to happen, right?
ugh….sad but true…..
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
by poz on Apr 24, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poz Draft
I am all for trading down! That would give us 4 picks in the first 2 rounds so we can double down on big heavies for the OL and DL. At long last we have to strengthen the trenches. This is the formula Bill Parcells always seems to folllow and we have definite needs in the OL and DL. BUFFALO – TRADE DOWN FOR 4 PICKS in Rounds 1 and 2!!!
by Galloping Ghost on Apr 24, 2009 6:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes! precisley
That would give us 4 picks in the first 2 rounds
Bellichick built his teams with second round and late first round picks because they are cheaper and have less bust potential. Four picks in the late first and second would be very Bellichick of us.
This is the formula Bill Parcells always seems to folllow
Again, yes, trying to emulate the greats. I figured with four of the five first picks being guys who play on the line, we are in better than shape than hoping our oline plays out. If our offensive line works we have the talent at the skill positions to make a run.
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
by poz on Apr 24, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
Marv, I love your top 4 picks, but I don’t think the Bills will land Pettigrew at 22 – Philly will take him at 21. That will give me 3 reasons to hate them: Peters, Pettigrew, and the way those fans treat McNabb. I’d be a bit worried if the team took 2 safeties in the draft. I’d actually prefer one of those picks be a true DB…something tells me we’re all going to see a need for an additional one sooner than later. You’ve managed to do something I feel the team needs to: drafting more than 1 DE. Youth is not on that line’s side and meanness isn’t something anyone on the outside of it is truly familiar with.
Poz, I love your first 3 picks, and am really high on the Bills taking Michael Johnson – he’s a risk that I think is worth picking. You’ve addressed the team’s line needs with these 3 picks. I know nothing about the rest of the guys you selected so I can’t comment there.
Good work guys.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 24, 2009 7:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
POZ You are a genius!
I love this mock!! You are my santa claus!
Pettigrew, Mack – my two top players in this draft hands down. Both will be probowlers for years to come I’m sure of it.
I love the Johnson pick here because he is the one that has to most potential. He is the only real true 4-3 end in this years draft, the fact that there is a question mark regarding his commitment to the game is the only reason why he slides into the second round. His potential is worth the chance here at 33
I love Loadholt, he is big, mean and strong. Not as athletic as Peters but if we play more double TE sets and use them in protection schemes, it won’t matter. If we are trully becoming a power running team then a guy like Loadholt is exactly what we need.
I also really like the Urbik pick, I think he can be a solid starter in the NFL, another big man with a Nasty streak! I love it.
And then rounding it all off with a S, DT & LB – Great job!!
As a Bill Parcells disciple, I believe that you build a team from the trenches outwards. We have 6 out of 8 picks that are trenches players – I love it.
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FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Apr 24, 2009 7:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
power running baby!
Loadholt, Urbik, Mack and Pettigrew were all drafted with giving our fearsome backfield of Rhodes, Lynch and Jackson the opportunity to be deadly. With Evans and Owens stretching defenses our running game could be like the Panthers last year!
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
by poz on Apr 24, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Poz wins the popular vote, but I believe Kurupts draft is the most likely scenario, I wouldn’t be surprised if he hit 3 out of the first six picks. It will be interesting to see who claims the BRMD09 bragging rights come Monday.
by tomsbills on Apr 24, 2009 8:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will claim bragging rights...
even if they pick none of my guys. Mine was clearly the best mock.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll vote for you.
Really, I bet none of the picks beyond the early second round will be anywhere close except by cooincidence :)
I understand the nature of these things though – by picking speicifc players in later rounds you’re really saying you would this or that type of position player at that point. People spend an awful lot of time creating, reading, tweaking, analyzing these mock drafts don’t they?
by syrbillsfan on Apr 24, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think i'm going to have to give the edge to Poz...
Now i would be happy w/ either mock as far as the first 3 picks go, but would probably have to give a slight nod to marvelous because of the ayers pick, and staying at 11 is more probable than trading back (each year leading up everyone, including the experts, talk about draft day trades including both players and picks, and they rarely happen, they seem so hyped up and none of it really pans out, especially the one’s involving players).
at first i liked marv’s better, because i saw that we didn’t address LB till the 7th round in poz’s draft, but then when i saw that marv wait till the 7th to address our tackle situation it was a no brainer, and plus looking at it again i would be very pleased w/ a draft that looked similar to poz’s…
by Shovel51 on Apr 24, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great mock Marv
While of course I love my mock, as it is mine, if Marv’s mock happened tomorrow I would be extremely happy!
The first four picks are all quality players who can make an immediate impact and I think Unger and Petti would instantly make our offense much better while Ayers and Vaughn could instantly contribute on defense.
Moving forward with Walker and Bell/Chambers isn’t exactly the worst idea because OBD seems like they are willing to do it, so Bell must be showing something, right?
I also like ensuring that that we get Pettigrew, this guy will start immediately and give Trent the proper tools he needs. If Walker can keep him upright your draft would be fantastic.
For what its worth, your draft’s first three picks could EASILY be the scenario tomorrow.
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
by poz on Apr 24, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
poz
thanks….i like yours as well as getting Mack and Pettigrew would be awesome for that OL overall…..I shouldn’t have taken 2 safeties but I really do feel with adding a DE at #11, and another speed rusher in Brown, I think it gives them flexibility to take value and I also don’t think Whitner is a long term solution.
Ayers and Pettigrew and Unger…..I’d do that in a heartbeat…
People that hate on me for not taking a OT early enough….well I think you’ll underestimate Bell/Chambers and what the addition of Pettigrew would do for them in blocking….the Bills MUST land Pettigrew tomorrow or i’m going to freak
MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens
by MARVelous on Apr 24, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Bills MUST land Pettigrew tomorrow or i’m going to freak
agreed! so long as its by trading down (my method) or trading up (your method) and not at #11!
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
by poz on Apr 24, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed!
they won’t take him at #11…..they have to get OT or DE first and they know that….i hope!
MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens
by MARVelous on Apr 24, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be absolutely delightful if Curry fell to us at 11 :)
(Never will happen, but I certainly can dream!)
by syrbillsfan on Apr 24, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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