Theorizing the Buffalo Bills' NFL Draft plan
We are now officially 26 hours away from the start of the 2009 NFL Draft. The time has arrived where Buffalo Bills fans (as well as NFL fans in general) cross the realm from mock draft land to the land of rumors and speculation. We're happy to add a little bit of both to your Bills thoughts and discussions this afternoon.
Throughout the pre-draft process, we have closely monitored the rises and falls of draft prospects' stock as well as been the beneficiary of some (incomplete) legitimate first-hand information. From there, we have boiled it down into a simple pre-draft post for y'all to ponder this afternoon. There is a degree of truth to the post - but please don't take it to be anything more than that. This is a theory post - not a law post. We believe thoroughly that what we type below can, and probably will, change in an instant when the draft begins tomorrow afternoon.
High-Priority Round One Targets
Through various discussions that we've had over the past several weeks, we believe that we can identify four targets that the Buffalo Bills will focus on in the first round. We know that the Bills like all of these players, but that's where the knowledge ends and speculation begins. We have no idea where these players fit on the draft board or how they figure into the plans, but you can rest assured that the Bills are interested in the following four names (listed in our believed order of preference, though clearly we don't have - and wouldn't want - a means to confirm this):
Andre Smith, OT, Alabama. The massive 340-pound Jason Peters clone is one of the hottest names in the draft right now despite a rocky pre-draft process and lingering questions about his maturity. He could go as high as No. 4 overall to Seattle, but rest assured he wouldn't slip past the Bills at No. 11. (And no, we don't think Buffalo is serious about trading up for him.)
Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State. We have spoken at length about the Bills' preference for finding immediate, well-rounded contributors at the top of the draft. The Bills lost a degree of physicality in their run blocking department when Peters was traded. Pettigrew would instantly restore that as well as give Trent Edwards a solid short-area and red zone target. There isn't a more NFL-ready player in this draft class.
Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee. Mike Mayock's favorite defensive prospect is flying up draft boards thanks to an impressive pre-draft process and a terribly weak natural 4-3 defensive end class. He's not a guy that will immediately solve Buffalo's pass rushing woes, but he can play immediately on any down, has a lot of natural ability, and can be a major player in Buffalo's DE rotation.
Clay Matthews III, OLB, USC. Put all thoughts of Brian Cushing out of your head, folks - the Bills (and many other NFL teams) see Matthews as the best of the LB bunch from USC with the most upside. Matthews is an elite blitzing prospect, having played the elephant (rush linebacker) position as a Trojan, but he's got the athletic chops to man virtually any linebacker position imaginable. Buffalo will do its absolute best to not enter 2009 with Keith Ellison as a starting linebacker. Matthews would help them accomplish that.
We've heard the rumors that the Bills are exploring a trade up to land Alabama's Smith, but we're not buying it - even if we do know that Smith tops the Bills' board at OT by a considerable margin. The Bills have too many holes. Far more importantly, this team's front office and coaching staff - particularly head coach Dick Jauron - has too much invested in this draft class to throw half of it away for one player. They are in win now mode, and trading picks for one guy doesn't help the team plug holes. If anything, we believe the team would prefer to trade down. It's likely that the Bills have discussed (and will continue to discuss) moving up, but we see it as a due diligence matter that won't get any further than the exploratory stages. (Feel free to speculate on if that theory is shot when/if Wake Forest LB Aaron Curry begins to slide.)
If you're asking me now (or any time within the past two weeks), I think the Bills would ideally like to find a way to get two of these players onto its roster. With two first-round picks and nine in total, they have the ammo to shift themselves into better position in the first round to get that done. We're not making any promises, but given Smith's popularity at the moment, we think that the team will be aggressive in nabbing two of Pettigrew, Ayers and Matthews tomorrow afternoon.
What if that doesn't work? Good question - and it's actually one that we're not too thrilled to ponder. Head on in past the jump to peruse five names that we think the Bills might focus on if they can't land two of the names listed above.
Be prepared to pinch your nose, because we're guessing that the notion of taking any of these guys at No. 28 wouldn't thrill most of you. We're not jumping for joy at the thought, either, and we're guessing the Bills themselves will do their best to avoid it. The Bills will likely focus on two things if they can't get two of their (as we see it) top four targets: offensive line help and defensive playmaking - position be damned.
That's why I think these five guys become priorities if two of the four names mentioned aren't Bills by pick No. 28. Yes - this is ALL speculation on my part, and shouldn't be taken as anything more.
Eben Britton, OT, Arizona. He visited Buffalo on a pre-draft visit, so we at least know the Bills are curious. Britton is one of the most boring prospects you'll ever encounter - nothing about his game is exciting, and he doesn't have one trait that blows you out of the water. He will likely be a liability as a rookie when it comes to pass protection, which means he'll play RT in his first season. But he's a solid athlete that competes, finishes and plays the game intelligently. If the Bills are serious about moving Langston Walker to the left side, Britton would be a safe investment with the potential for a long, stellar career.
Andy Levitre, OG, Oregon State. I don't think it's a lock at all that the Bills target OT with either of their first round picks (unless, obviously, Smith is available). Britton will be considered, but I think it's far more likely that the Bills look at an interior lineman like Levitre. A left tackle in college, Levitre lacks the measurables to play outside in the NFL - but he's got loads of potential as a guard. He plays mean, finishes blocks and has good hands and feet. He's a little rough around the edges, but he's an immediate starter, unlike Britton. That in itself leads me to believe he'd be the top offensive lineman on Buffalo's list at the end of round one and into round two.
Max Unger, G/C, Oregon. Here's another non-flashy player with traits similar to Levitre - positional versatility, intelligence, and a bit of a mean streak. The interior line has always been an area where the Bills look for players that can play multiple positions. Unger is exactly that player, having played LT and C in college. He's another immediate starter.
Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest. We told you it wasn't ideal. We also told you that defensive playmaking was a priority - and Smith is certainly that, having amassed 21 career interceptions at Wake, including 15 in his final two seasons. He's small (5'9", 193 pounds), but size has never stopped the Bills from taking a DB. Smith is aggressive, physical for his size, and possessor of the best ball skills amongst the DB class this year. I think he could beat out Drayton Florence for the nickel corner role right out of the gate - and he offers a bit of return upside as well. CB is obviously not a need, but position won't prohibit the Bills from drafting the best, most impactful players they can find. It's obvious they'd like to avoid it - but as Smith visited Buffalo in March, they clearly like him as a prospect.
Louis Delmas, SS, Western Michigan. I'm very confident that the Bills will take a corner at some point considering the fact that three of their corners (Terrence McGee, Ashton Youboty, Florence) all have contracts expiring within the next two seasons. The same is true at safety, where all five of the team's current players are in the tail ends of their respective deals as well. Delmas is the most complete safety in this class - physical with good range; solid against both the run and the pass; productive, experienced and a leader. In short, he's everything the Bills look for - and he'd likely beat out Bryan Scott for the starting strong safety role by mid-season. Again, it's obviously not ideal from any angle, but production is production - and the Bills could consider this kid if the worst comes to fruition.
That's all we've got. We're speculated out. Consider this your open thread for Draft Eve; we'll hit you back tomorrow morning with our final, very trade-happy first-round mock draft, and then official NFL Draft proceedings begin tomorrow at noon eastern. Hang tight, Bills fans - we're almost there!
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No Beatty on this list? I think if any of the tackle prospects (outside the top 4) have the ability to start at LT on day one, it would be him.
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by thatguy34 on Apr 24, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No Beatty on the list. I view him in the same light as guys like Kropog, Cadogan and Meredith – potentially elite LT prospects, but they need to beef up and tighten up the technical side before I’m putting them anywhere near Calvin Pace, Joey Porter and Adalius Thomas.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 24, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a few
things to start. New England reportedly trying to move into the top 10. It is unknown who they may be targeting.
Also, all the speculation for trades is picks 8-13. Here’s a refresher on the trade down details from #11 I ran down last week for the Bills.
Trade down is the best option for the Bills if they could pick up an extra 3rd-4th. Moving back to Washington at #13 is the most promising. Picking up an extra 4th, drafting Ayers at #13, and then being able to get 2 more guys in the 20-35 range using the extra picks.
Look for names like Tyson Jackson, Percy Harvin, and the QB’s Sanchez and Freeman are going to dictate what happens to the Bills. The most intriguing thing I’m watching is #8 and JAX. They are seling off that pick if they can unless Curry is there.
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by MARVelous on Apr 24, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I bet NE wants Tyson Jackson or maybe their top pass rusher.
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by Kurupt on Apr 24, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think they want Maclin. Just a hunch….
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by Kurupt on Apr 24, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as if the Raiders need another reason to hate the Pats :-)
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by Joe P. on Apr 24, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson is the first name that popped into my head when I saw that NE was looking to move
They really need to make sure they have Seymour insurance, he is tailing off really badly right now.
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by WABillsfan on Apr 24, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THey could go with Maclin, Crabtree...
Jackson, an OT…
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My fearless prediction: Beanie Wells goes in the Top 15.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 24, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
concurr
When polling NFL Draft prospects….Lombardi said Beanie Wells was the most often named mentioned when players were asked who the best player in College was last year
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by MARVelous on Apr 24, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So that’s who NE wants?!?
Good for them. I don’t think he’s that great….
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by Kurupt on Apr 24, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
not saying that’s who NE wants….I think it’s Tyson Jackson or a WR….but you can’t rule out a RB….they could use a dynamic back
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by MARVelous on Apr 24, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it were a different year
I’d want Wells…I see him as a very solid player for years to come
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by killascript on Apr 24, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprise
I believe the Pats could surprise everybody and be after an OT. They would like to move agiing Matt Light to RT, and they have like 6-7 UFA O-Lineman next year.
Geronimo
by Geronimo on Apr 24, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa....
If the Pats go to, say, 8 and take an OT there was be no OT for Buffalo to take at #11. Plus, it would force a guy like Raji or Brown down to #11.
by Ron From NM on Apr 24, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a bad thought at all G.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s probably what it is too. They also want to get the best line possible to keep Brady upright this year.
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by Kurupt on Apr 25, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some talk about Percy Harvin going there too...
Belichek loves him some Urban Meyer and Florida guys….
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 25, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyson Jackson
The Patriots are getting old in their defensive trenches….especially Warren….If they are moving up…its for Jackson….perfect 3-4 De……
by Matty Coco on Apr 24, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are like no better running backs
no true dominent runner
he could…
when does new orleans pick?
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by Toronto? on Apr 24, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
14
They are looking DB/safety… They could take a RB but I doubt it.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
I don’t think I’m going to like tomorrow at all….
The Bills pass rush is unlikely to be improved much at all with these scenarios. This is our biggest defensive weakness, and probably the biggest weakness on the team overall. Sigh. Another year of crusading for a pass rush?
You really think they’d consider Levitre in the first round??? Where’s Alex Mack? I’m not taking Levitre until #42, and even then I think it’s too early. If we draft Pettigrew then Levitre in round 1, I’m probably going to cry.
Please, please don’t give them any ideas about drafting another CB high. That would be yet another nail in the coffin for this front office. If they did this, how much longer can they go ignoring the trenches? Why don’t we just resign McGee now to avoid having to pull this crap?!?!
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by Kurupt on Apr 24, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Well, obviously we would have liked to get the top DE on our board…but we’ll settle for another corner back.” – Post draft press conference
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by thatguy34 on Apr 24, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to expand on that.....
“Well, obviously we would have liked to get the top DE on our board, even though we had the chance to, but we’ll settle for another corner while our hardworking DE’s compile a total of 7-9 sacks again”
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by Kurupt on Apr 24, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just like our record
McCoverage- McGee and McKelvin :D
by Toronto? on Apr 24, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
precisely!
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by Kurupt on Apr 25, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biggest weakness on the team is on offense, not pass rush
While you could argue either way, we still find ourselves with a lone 3 or zero on the scoreboard too often, when the defense is able to hold a team to under 20 or even under 14 points.
However, my fingers are crossed that Orakpo slips…because let me tell you, someone is going to slip out of that top 10, and the bills wil be waiting.
In Peter King;s mock draft…(most are meaningless and he’s may be no different) but he has us taking Maybin with Orakpo still on the board. I don’t see it. Sign me up for Orakpo at 11 and Pettigrew later, then the best OL next and where that happens and what happens next is all a crap shoot (as it all is, I know)
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by killascript on Apr 24, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that coaching and playcalling though? Might be. Poor QB play is obviously the other issue.
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by Kurupt on Apr 24, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean
Poor QB play is certainly part of it, just as poor DE play is part of the pass rush…but I think schematically, for all of us who wanted a different coaching staff in December is a culprit on both sides of the ball….I try to forget about that since we can’t draft a new coaching staff, but i hope the Dick Jauron/Schonert/Edwards master plan starts working
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by killascript on Apr 24, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one mock draft had aaron curry slipping to number 10, the 49ers.
by chaucer on Apr 24, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don’t we just resign McGee now to avoid having to pull this crap?!?!
Agreed. They take a CB in any round besides 4 and beyond and I’ll be irate. Safety I could live with. But DL and OL have to be the priorities
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by MARVelous on Apr 24, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Wrench
I think if Curry slides, the Bills have to take him. Do you think with all of the OT love, Curry could make it to 11? Also, I don’t really buy that we need to draft an OT high because we have servicable depth on the roster that should be able to get the job done. We do not have serviceable depth at the guard position and should definitely grab someone Ungerish in the second round. I am not too worried about the offensive line because of the numerous options available in the draft. Also, there are smaller school OTs of proper stature the Bills can probably snatch up later to backup Chambers or whoever the Bills start. From doing my chart in the other post, it is obvious that a left tackle only makes so much impact, and the difference will only be marginal between Guy A from our current roster and said draft pick. If our guys can be average, we’re better off getting guys who can make plays in round 1. That means defensive end or linebacker would be even more important than TE. I hope Curry falls (fat chance, right?). That would ease my tension a lot.
by syrbillsfan on Apr 24, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm the only one
but I kind of hope Curry goes before we pick. I’m kind of concerned about the fact that he’s a SLB or a MLB, without the pass rush skills we need from an OLB. I might be overthinking it, and Curry would be a fantastic pick, but I just have a feeling we need to address the OLB void with a slightly different type of player.
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by Kurupt on Apr 24, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see
the issue with curry is yeah it’d be great to have him, but in our division you gotta beat NE and the way you beat NE is the pass rush…..that’s why getting Ayers and Matthews would be awesome. I am in love with Pettigrew but if we get 2 defensive front 7 players I would be thrilled
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by MARVelous on Apr 24, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Lewis doesn’t rush the passer. Would you be ok if the Bills got that type of player at 11?
I’m not saying Curry’s that good, but there seems to be an overemphasis on what a player can’t do than what he can do, and do really well.
by Pistol on Apr 24, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we need a MLB though?
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by Kurupt on Apr 24, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Curry was there
I say you have to take him, and while he might not have been asked to rush the passer at Wake, he could here, but I think you’d still have to address the DE position…at some point but the impact you want might not, or just will nt be there
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by killascript on Apr 24, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curry is a stud. Every single Bills fan should pray he is there. Could give us one of the most dominant LB cores in the league.
by Berg79 on Apr 24, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Williams would be a much better fit for the Bills. He is great in coverage — as well as everything else an OLB has to do in the Bills system. Curry is very talented, but not right for every team (which is why he might drop further than people think).
by Macktruck on Apr 24, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree on this one: Curry is the complete package, and absolutely would fit in our scheme. I suppose it’s all a moot point, he is not falling to us.
by PozDispenser on Apr 24, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curry
Totally agree. By far the best defensive player in this draft—and at a position of need for us. This would be a huge. no-brainer
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by Geronimo on Apr 24, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to know.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course
from all Ive seen and read, he is a player that fits any system…and it all starts with Det. having taken the QB
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by killascript on Apr 25, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not like this team is one or two spots away from a Super Bowl where you need to get specific holes filled. Just get the best possible players you can even if it’s not a position of need.
If Crabtree fell to 11 I’d want the Bills to jump all over him even if WR isn’t a priority.
by Pistol on Apr 24, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what does that say about last year's pick of James Hardy?
WR is probably the only position that is out of play this weekend other than punter or kicker.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curry was not asked to blitz much in Wake's D, so your now stuck with trying to project what he COULD do
If he was asked to attack the QB more often. I think…. we get a LBer either in the 2nd or 3rd, I just think OBD is dead set on getting their Oline and DLine fixed with their 1st rounders.
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by WABillsfan on Apr 24, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curry won’t last past the top eight picks.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 24, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
whole rusing the passer thing is overrated. Curry has 4.5 speed…and was never asked to rush the passer. He’s an ever down MLB who can make plays all over the field. He’ll be a temptation for every team starting with STL
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by MARVelous on Apr 24, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did in my Draft Pick Prediction on nfl.com
:-) LOL
Just because I wanted him to… no other reason.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bills haven’t shown any inclination to trade down in the past so I’d be surprised if they did that this year. It looks good that they’ll get someone they are really targeting at 11, particularly if Sanchez is going in the top 10. Same thing with Tyson Jackson of LSU who now seems to be in the top 10 as well.
I think if they want Pettigrew, and I’m guessing that’s the case, that they’ll need to move up several spots from #28. If it costs them a 4th rounder then I’m ok with it. If it’s a 3rd rounder I’m less excited.
But the first three picks tomorrow should all go towards the OL/TE and front 7 unless something really, really odd happens (like Crabtree at 11)
by Pistol on Apr 24, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree?
Interesting of course, do it…who knows, but we do have to score more points, yet the draft dopesn’t always guarantee that. However, I also don’t see us trading down or out of eleven
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by killascript on Apr 24, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bills will not be taking Michael Crabtree.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 24, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think so either
rookie WR that high? no thank you
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by killascript on Apr 24, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bills haven’t shown any inclination to trade down in the past so I’d be surprised if they did that this year.
Yeah, well, they wouldn’t have shown any inclination to sign T.O. in the past, either, would they? Things have changed. I think that if things go well – because it takes two to tango, as the saying goes – you’ll be surprised at how aggressive they are tomorrow, even if you don’t like their picks. Just a hunch.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 24, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you’ll be surprised at how aggressive they are tomorrow, even if you don’t like their picks
Just one word come into my mind when I read this. FEAR. :)
by hightower_mc on Apr 24, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fear of what they’ll actually do or they’ll be aggressive based on fear of losing certain prospects?
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by Kurupt on Apr 25, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oe of the USC LBs slipping to 28
And if so, which would it be….?
It’d be nice if Pettigrew just wasn’t in this draft, because it would be alot simpler to figure out
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by killascript on Apr 24, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If any USC LB slips, it’ll be Maualuga. I can’t see how he gets past Baltimore, though – Ray and Rey? That could be disgusting…
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 24, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Cushing and Matthew in the top 20?
I guess we could get one at 11 and he would be an instant starter…I guess it all depends if we can nab Andre Smith…a lot of factors here. All offense, all defense, trade up, trade down…..Malcom Jenkins? (lol)
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by killascript on Apr 24, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, there are 8 picks between 20 and 26… so I doubt it.
I’d peg Matthews anywhere from 11-20.
I’d peg Cushing anywhere from 14-25.
I’d peg Maualuga anywhere from 16-26.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 24, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Erp… 6* picks between 20 and 26. Doy.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 24, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
erp 7 picks!
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by Kurupt on Apr 24, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could actually be five, too, if you’re only counting 21, 22, 23, 24 and 25 as between 20 and 26.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 24, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sonofabeesting
That was Ned Flanders-esque
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by Kurupt on Apr 24, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. Ron Burgundy-esque.
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by thatguy34 on Apr 24, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?!?!
Why don’t I remember that one?!!?!?
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by Kurupt on Apr 24, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, the Rey Ray combo platter should have RBs peeing their pants every game
Especially after Ray busted up Meddenhall….
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by WABillsfan on Apr 24, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
some rumors
coming out now….Cardinals asking only for a 2nd now for Boldin……
- STL is “seriously” considering Mark Sanchez…..
- SEA will take Crabtree or Curry
Man I hope #11 is where the action is at
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all linked
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by MARVelous on Apr 24, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of surprised Seattle would take Crabtree, but not really. They have big money tied up in Housh and Branch….
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by Kurupt on Apr 24, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Branch's contract is due up in a couple of seasons, when Crabtree's deal would start getting higher
And with so many guys getting hurt in the WR corps, they need the bodies. Also they feel that Jones and Hasselbeck SHOULD be OK for the season, but I think are more worried about Matt than Walter.
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by WABillsfan on Apr 24, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Cards are only asking a 2nd for Boldin...
Why haven’t they traded him to the Ravens who were supposedly willing to part with their second and a 5th?
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because they have a low 2nd?
If I were New England, I’d offer one of my 2nd’s and just pass on every down….
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 25, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More smoke
The Cards don’t really want to trade Boldin and don’t have to take less than fair value for him since he won’t pull a Peters style holdout. STL wants out of the #2 pick and is trying to bait teams like the Redskins.
SEA will take BPA or trade out if Sanchez is on the board and they get an good offer.
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by Joe P. on Apr 24, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boldin for a 2nd?
TO is only here for one year. You want a playmaker on offense? Trade for this guy. Then, take Defensive front 7 in the first two picks in the first round and worry about your O-line in the third.
This guy is good.
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by Slick Shifty on Apr 24, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft starts at 4pm
Brian, you wrote that the official draft proceedings will begin here at noon. Are you planning something special or is that a typo as the draft starts at 4pm.
by south123 on Apr 24, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We start our pre-draft thread at noon.
Another thread when the draft starts at 4… And then a new one once the Bills pick.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, what Matt said. Nothing special, just a pre-draft open thread to keep things from getting too crazy here.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 24, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about moving up from the #2 spot to get 3 first rounders. I would say all hail Russ Brandon at that point. Then I’d wake up .
by south123 on Apr 24, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ayers
I really dislike Ayers on the Bills. If the goal is to add a DE who will improve Buffalo’s pass rush, he’s not the guy. He had only 3 sacks in his ‘breakout year’. He did very little in his first 3 years. I don’t understand why this guy is the top rated defensive guy on Mayock’s board. Either Mayock is way smarter than everyone else, or he has no idea what is going on.
by NCbills on Apr 24, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He sees that Ayers only started one year...
he thinks that Ayers is finally “getting it” and his performance at the senior bowl showed that.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Senior Bowl?
Players in that only play for themselves. They don’t work as a team. Nobody eats blocks for linebackers, etc. You can’t base a players stock on the senior bowl and combine.
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by Slick Shifty on Apr 24, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say the only thing he ever did was perform at the Senior Bowl.
But it’s an indicator when you beat a guy one on one.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just saying...
at 11 overall, I want a guy who’s “got it” as opposed to a guy they think is starting to “get it”.
Just not on the Ayers bandwagon. Look back at most of your editors’s/contributors’s posts from a few months ago and see what they say about Ayers.
I can’t imagine you all changed your mind based on everyone else’s opinions. It isn’t like you went back and watched film on his freshman and sophomore years and saw something you didn’t the first time around.
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by Slick Shifty on Apr 24, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few months ago he wasn't on my radar.
There is not a single DE in this draft was has “got it” outside of maybe Brian Orakpo. This is a deep class but a weak class this year.
Besides my draft isn’t who I want, it’s who I think the Bills will take. And from what we have heard they value Ayers ability to play in every situation as opposed to a situational guy like Maybin, Brown, or Orakpo.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You give me the feeling the bills are hoping for a 21 year old Kelsay/Denney in Ayers. I have to hold out hope they are smarter than that.
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by Slick Shifty on Apr 24, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess the bills are hoping that schobel returns to his pro bowl form, kelsay plays like his contract implies he should, ellis lives up to his billing, denny decides sacks ae better than TD’s and that they will be playing in the 2015 Superbowl in london
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by gregeng on Apr 25, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn’t have the eye popping measurables from the combine, or pro day. He doesn’t have production in college. Usually, you need 1 or both to be considered “the top defensive player” (Mayock), or a #11 pick. I just don’t see the fascination. Everyone here is harping on the…“we need more of a pass rush”. How is a guy that didn’t produce in a pass rushing role in college going to turn it on in the NFL. If you want to draft on a late bloomer, and a guy who is “getting it”, why not a guy like Michael Johnson (not at #11), who has the freakish physical traits, and had decent production his Jr. year in college. And please don’t tell me a guy like Conor Barwin. You might as well stick a Mike Mamula name tag on his jersey. Watch the Cincy / Oklahoma game. Loadholt manhandled him.
by NCbills on Apr 24, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And please don’t tell me a guy like Conor Barwin. You might as well stick a Mike Mamula name tag on his jersey. Watch the Cincy / Oklahoma game. Loadholt manhandled him.
Thanks for posting that. When I made a Fanpost yesterday about the 2nd/3rd tier OT prospects, I forgot to mention this. In Loadholt’s highlight video he simply destroys Barwin over and over. I think it was Barwin’s first game as a DE, so I’ll give him some leeway, but Loadholt looked phenomenal against him.
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by Kurupt on Apr 25, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Brian on this...
I think the Bills will actively target two of the top 4 guys. If Once Andre Smith is picked the Bills would ideally move down to 13 or 15 range and select their next highest-rated guy, hopefully Matthews if he is still on the board. Then they will immediately start working the phones to get back up to say 20 or 21 from 28 to take Pettigrew.
They can still address the OL in the second round and potentially move back into the second to get a DE or SS they like. I am truly excited about the draft now. I didn’t think I would be. But the possibility of adding two of these guys really gets me excited.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mayock
Hi Everyone, this is my first time posting but I love the site…love your guys passion, over-analysis and loyalty to the Bills. This site has been great for me as a coping mechanism after excrutiatingly painful Bills losses, in addition to being a wealth of information for the draft. Does anyone else feel like they’ve been studying for a final exam over the last 2 months? I’m ready to get this exam over with already!!
Anyway, what I wanted to say was about Mayock, I think his projections are better than most out there (Kiper, McShay, etc). I’m sure he has his fair share of misses but he was spot on with Matt Ryan last year.
Also, I would like to see the Bills come away with Mathews and Mack in the 1st. Sidbury in the 3rd?
by NickinRoc on Apr 24, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to Rumblings.
I like Mayock projections too, but Kiper has the better hair, you can’t deny it. lol
by hightower_mc on Apr 24, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only 2 months...you must have a life
I think I have been waiting for this since week 12 of last year…
by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 24, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stupid is as stupid does ...
the Bills (and many other NFL teams) see Matthews as the best of the LB bunch from USC with the most upside
This is just crazy-talk. Watch the USC games and the talent level & production is obvious: Rey Maualuga is far and away the best of the 4 LB’s coming out of USC.
Ranking the USC LB’s:
1. Rey Maualuga
2. Brian Cushing
3. Clay Matthews
4. Kaluka Maiava
This is not to say that Matthews would be a bad pick. I’d love to see Matthews in a Bills uniform, but it just seems weird that teams can convince themselves of things that aren’t true.
by fami1y_first on Apr 24, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he is far and away the best...
Why is he projected as the third USC LB taken by SI, ESPN, and a whole slew of other places. Maualuga, as good as he was, over-pursued a lot at USC. Matthews versatility makes him a hot commodity where Rey pretty much projects to only MLB or the bull ILB.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
projections ...
the kiper/mayock opinion junkies can say all they want about what they think about a player. if you watch the games and ask, “which player helped win the game?” among the USC LB’s the answer was resoundingly Maualuga. The NFL is about winning games, not looking good in drills and workouts.
Again, that’s not to say that Matthews is not a good player, but while Maualuga is playing in pro bowls, Matthews will be a decent player (like he was at USC) and a special teams standout (like he was at USC).
by fami1y_first on Apr 24, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maualuga is a highlight player...
And you’re probably right he will be voted to the Pro Bowl because of that. But for every big hit he makes, he lets a guy get away by being out of position. He will be the last USC LB taken.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on everything but what about
Orakpo? I think its more and more likely he will slip to the Bills. He’s the clear cut pick if he falls, right?
by S2 on Apr 24, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not as clear cut as you might think....
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I would say he’s NOT clear cut.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 24, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, Bills do NOT want a player taken in the 1st who is known for taking mental AND physical vacations
While playing in a game. Orakpo has a very disturbing tendancy to disappear at times.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 24, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he should be the clear-cut pick if he falls ...
the only players i would even consider instead of Orakpo if they were all available at #11 would be Andre Smith & Michael Oher. If both of those LT’s were gone, then Orakpo should be the hands down pick.
by fami1y_first on Apr 24, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Williams..err Oher
I saw on ESPN’s ATH Michael Oher’s last name is really Williams. Thus, he should be Michael Williams. I want to puke.
by S2 on Apr 24, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh no....
nail in the coffin. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can somebody explain to me
Why on earth the Jets have interest in Pettigrew? They just drafted Keller last year, why would they use a first rounder on him?
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by BillsNYC on Apr 24, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trying to drum up a trade before them to allow them a shot at someone like Freeman most likely
Only the Eagles and the Bills in the top 28 picks are truly depserate for a TE right now with Pettigrew’s skill level.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 24, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Baltimore if Heap has fallen as far as they say.
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by BillsNYC on Apr 24, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen anything that says they have interest in him but...
new coach = new philosophy. Maybe he doesn’t fit their philosophy. I’m not expecting them to draft Pettigrew but they may not be enamored with Keller.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 24, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm, then I'll take Keller without much complaint then...
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by WABillsfan on Apr 24, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Down
Trade down in Round 1 and get 4 picks in the first 2 rounds – we can double down on Big Heavies for both sides of the trenches – DE and G/C, T. I don’t want the Bills to overpay for Pettigrew or the 4th rated OT at #11.
by Galloping Ghost on Apr 25, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It all will hinge on where Dirty Sanhez goes....
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by WABillsfan on Apr 25, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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