2009 NFL Draft at Rumblings: Bills Day One Recap
Day one of the 2009 NFL Draft featured a dozen trades and plenty of surprises - including several eyebrow-raisers made by your Buffalo Bills. In the end, four players are now the newest members of the Buffalo Bills: DE Aaron Maybin, OG Eric Wood, DB Jairus Byrd and OG Andy Levitre.
Obviously, a lot went on today - and if any Bills fan tells you that they saw this result coming, laugh loudly in their face, folks. We'll break down everything that we know happened today below - and then turn it over to you guys for your thoughts on day one, our new players, and of course, a day one grade.
1-11: Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State (Coverage)
We knew going in that Alabama OT Andre Smith sat at the top of Buffalo's board. I got a phone call early this afternoon, however, that I didn't expect - I was informed earlier today that if Smith wasn't available (and he wasn't, going No. 6 overall to Cincinnati), that Maybin would be the pick for the Bills.
Here's the scoop - the Bills liked Tennessee's Robert Ayers (who eventually became a Denver Bronco). But they realized he wasn't a playmaker. They needed a defensive playmaker more than any other position in this draft, and they think they have that player in the speedy, athletic and long Maybin. They are certainly taking a risk with this pick - but it's a risk worth taking for a franchise that hasn't been to the playoffs in nearly a decade. He'll be counted on as a situational pass-rusher as a rookie - and the team was keenly aware that their woeful pass rush needed to be addressed first and foremost.
SB Nation had representatives at Radio City Music Hall today covering the draft as credentialed NFL media. I was sent this statement from JasonB, who was on a call with Maybin. This was Maybin's reaction after the Bills made him their top selection...
Just very overwhelmed. I'm very happy to just be able to have a chance to play in such a great city for such an amazing franchise. It's a great opportunity for me and I'm coming into a situation where I'm going to get a chance to play with some Penn State guys out there. They've got Paul Posluszny and Bryan Scott on the team right now. I'm really anxious to just get out there and just to start putting in work, just to start building the foundation out there for myself.
Trying to trade back up...
From this point, the Bills got on the phone and tried to move up to select Oklahoma State TE Brandon Pettigrew. The consensus top TE in the draft went a bit earlier than anticipated, however, when the Detroit Lions took him at No. 20 overall. USC LB Clay Matthews III nearly fell to them at No. 28, but the Packers traded up to No. 26 to steal him (and I don't think they tried to trade up, preferring to keep their picks after Pettigrew was selected). When those two guys were gone, the Bills stuck to their board and took a guy they didn't think would fall to them at No. 42 in the second round...
1-28: Eric Wood, G/C, Louisville (Coverage)
Simply put, the Bills were focused on adding a quality interior lineman today (a point that they would emphatically underscore later in the second round). Wood was their highest-rated interior lineman; they view him as an immediate starter at guard. I am speculating that he'll play left guard, but based on the Bills' fourth (yes, fourth) pick of the day, that might change. But Wood will play guard in Buffalo, and he will very likely start right away.
With no prospects to trade up for at that point and seven more picks, the Bills chose to stay put... for a while. Head on in beyond the jump to see how the second round unfolded for Buffalo.
2-42: Jairus Byrd, DB, Oregon (Coverage)
I don't think I've ever seen a Bills draft pick as immediately despised as this selection of Byrd. DB was clearly a spot that was going to be addressed, as three cornerbacks and five safeties are within the final two years of their respective contracts in Buffalo. As mentioned ad nauseam, the Bills were also focused on adding playmakers defensively - and Byrd is decidedly that, having picked off 17 passes in just three seasons at Oregon.
Byrd tested poorly in pre-draft workouts, running a 4.68-second 40, but he's a good athlete with great instincts that fits well in a zone scheme. He has the ability to play either corner or free safety, and might get a look at both spots in Buffalo. He also averaged 12.3 yards per punt return in his career at Oregon. This pick may have been completely left-field and certainly not a need-centric selection, but there is undeniably some value here. Still... it was a weird pick. We'll admit it.
At that point, the Bills had exercised all of their day one picks. Then, one trade later, they hadn't.
Bills trade up with Dallas
In a very surprising move, the Bills sent their third-round pick (No. 75 overall) and their first fourth-round pick (No. 110) to the Dallas Cowboys for the No. 51 overall pick. The trade gave the Bills four first-day picks, but it also takes them completely out of the third round.
The Bills currently have four picks tomorrow: Round 4 (No. 121), Round 5 (No. 147), Round 6 (No. 183) and Round 7 (No. 220). Who'd they move up for?
2-51: Andy Levitre, OG, Oregon State (Coverage)
A college left tackle, Levitre is widely considered to be a guard prospect at the NFL level - and, ironically, Levitre was second to Wood on the Bills' board of interior offensive linemen.
Levitre is a versatile player that can play four spots on the line. He is similar to Wood in many respects, including demeanor, athleticism and intelligence. He'll make a very good pro, and the fact that the Bills focused so heavily on their lines on day one (three picks) is an encouraging sign. But the Levitre selection absolutely creates some question marks surrounding the Bills' re-tooled offensive line.
LT: Langston Walker has the early edge at this position as the most experienced OT on the roster.
LG: I had penciled Wood in here, but it could easily be Levitre or even current RG Brad Butler at this position.
C: This one's settled - Geoff Hangartner will be the Bills' starting center.
RG: Butler is here for now, but having played OT in college, there's a chance they could move him to RT. If that's the case, Wood and Levitre become contenders here.
RT: Kirk Chambers will likely open camp as the starter here, but Demetrius Bell and perhaps even Brad Butler (depending on the speed of assimilation from our two new guards) could challenge.
A lot is changing on the line, clearly, but there's certainly no shortage of quality depth at this point. There are options - and with only two spots locked down (Walker and Hangartner), there will be some interesting decisions to make. If you're asking me now, the line will look like this:
L. Walker - E. Wood - G. Hangartner - A. Levitre - B. Butler
K. Chambers - D. Bell - S. McKinney
That does it for Buffalo Rumblings' coverage of day one of the NFL Draft. It was a surprising day, but I had fun chilling with y'all. Thanks for making Rumblings your one-stop shop for NFL Draft and Buffalo Bills news. We hope to see y'all tomorrow!
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Ive been at work all day
I wuestion the Oregon CB pick, yet I like Wood and Maybin…although Maybin scares me…not sure why
That seems to be a lot to give up for Levitre, but I like that we saw that our O line was being manhandled in the middle and are trying to fix it. Good job….would have rather had the TE at 42
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by killascript on Apr 25, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I said very satisfied.......
I wasnt until the trade to move up to get Levitre…….
I have been saying all along I wanted every pick used for the LINES……obviously that wasnt gonna happen but thats what I wanted……and if the Bills did nothing else but take the BPA from here on out I would be extremely satisfied………
The OL has been a sore spot on this team for a long long time…but now with this day in the book it should now become a position of great strength on this team…..
For those of you who hate the Byrd pick so much as a Pac-10 homer I can tell you….that he will be a welcomed and productive addition to our team…..
Cant wait to hear what everyone else says and am looking forward to tomorrow….
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 25, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Build the lines
I agree. I am very happy that we went after the OL in the draft. This should set us up for years with good depth
by can on Apr 25, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Levitre at RT?
I know he was graded at guard, but is there a possibility that he is being seen as a RT? That would give a line with Walker, Butler, Hangartner, wood, Levitre. Two rooks on the right side might be too much risk.
by can on Apr 25, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the biggest knock for why he wont be a T is because his arms are too short
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 25, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tape measures over playing evidence
There are a lot of great players in the league that didn’t “measure up” one way or another. He clearly played very well at Tackle…. I say give him a shot
by can on Apr 25, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well Butler played T in college.....
and apparently he’s going back there….with his 6’7" frame
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 25, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. Looks like we have lots of versatility on our depth now. If these guys are as good as advertised, we will have a great line
by can on Apr 25, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somewhat unhappy
Maybin- Boom or bust, can’t argue the cajones for making him the pick
Wood- Solid solid pick, no problems with him here since Mack and Pettigrew were gone
Byrd- wtf, just wtf
Levitre- Feel we should have just taken him at 42, that being said yet another Solid Solid pick like Wood
I like the new nastiness of our Oline, and I see us going Walker-Wood-Harngarter-Levitre-Butler as our oline this year.
I don’t hand out grades, just a feeling, and I think this will end up as an OK draft, but DJ had better explain that Byrd pick really well, especially since it cost us a 3rd and our early 4th to get Levitre since they took Byrd.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 25, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
look at it this way.
Maybin – good
Wood – Great
Levitre – Great
Byrd – is going to play safety and if it was he who was taken in the spot were Levitre went, it isn’t that bad.
I’m not 100% on board with the Byrd pick, but it is one pick, there is another whole day to go.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 25, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Levitre pick is good, but the trade cost us too much.
"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker
by Joe P. on Apr 25, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they can still trade up again. I am never a huge fan of trading up, but to get this guy I am okay with it.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 25, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey......Headline for tomorrow
“Bills give their fans “The Byrd”…..Hahahahahahah!!!!!!!!
"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker
by Joe P. on Apr 25, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Explaination for Byrd
I think the Bills just got confused with 50th Anniversary team and thought they were drafting Butch Byrd.
by Blackthorn on Apr 26, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a fan of trading up in round 1, but if there’s a guy you like in the second or third trading up is a fine strategy.
Giving up a 4th to move up 24 spots is not that much.
by Pistol on Apr 26, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bills actually came out 101 points AHEAD on that trade according to the trade chart. #51 is worth 390; #75 and #110 combined are worth 289. We literally ripped the Cowboys off.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 26, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McShay just said he LOVES LOVES our draft so far.....
on ESPN.
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 25, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have ceded the TV to my wife.
if it gets posted online, please let me know
"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker
by Joe P. on Apr 25, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McShay's mock 7 rounder
Each player the Bills drafted was projected by him to go later in his last draft projection — I just checked. Maybin at 13, Wood at 38, Byrd at 73 (3rd R), and Levitre at 62. These “experts” are rediculous.
by labill on Apr 25, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love it all (except Byrd)
I actually LOVE the draft so far.
We got the best DE in the Draft
We got the best Center in the Draft
We got the best Guard in the Draft
And we got that other guy, no explanation.
If we could have taken someone other than Byrd there, or taken Levitre there and not had to give up our third and fourths I would say we did awesome.
"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy
by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 25, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wood and Levitre have to start, right? We didn’t pick one in the 1st round and trade two picks to get the other to have potentially one of them as a backup, did we? Brad Butler has to be moving out to RT, it makes too much sense now. It’ll allow us to keep Chambers as the swing OT and Bell more time to continue developing. We have the potential to be an excellent rushing offense, if only we make it a priority.
Still don’t like the Byrd pick. Just a waste of picks (I include the picks used to get Levitre because we could have just picked him then) to take a CB that will be buried on the depth chart, or FS that will be trying to learn the position or a potential decent punt returner when we already have other options. I still don’t get it, especially for a front office and coaching staff looking to win now.
I like the 1st round though. Two good quality picks, and they FINALLY addressed the pass rush. Now I just have to hope Maybin works out. I would have added Everette Brown in addition instead of Byrd, as I’m sure nearly every one of you would have as well.
Todd McShay has a woodie for our draft. He absolutely LOVES it.
Tomorrow, we have to find a TE or two. We have to get a LB if any of the quality prospects slide. If we do plan to move Butler to RT, I don’t think we’ll be adding a Tackle. I could use another pass rushing prospect, as always.
4th: TE
5th: TE
6th: LB
7th: DE
?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 25, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt have taken Brown.......
but Im probably the only one.
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 25, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why
you like our pass rush?
You think Brown stinks?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 25, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont like the pass rush......
but I dont think Brown is that good honestly……..
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 25, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He slide for a reason….
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 25, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to spite you
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 25, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol no not to spite him.....
I havent been thrilled with any of the DE’s in the entire draft……been that way all off season
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 25, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...
Doesn’t this look awesome:
11. Maybin
28. Wood
42. E. Brown
51. Levitre
That would have been an A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ draft. I would not have been mad about that in any way.
Now, I’d have to give us a B at best, being dragged down by the Byrdie pick. Ahhhh well
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 25, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That draft would have had me in tears of joy rather than feeling like I got punched in the gut the sametime I found a winning lotto ticket
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 25, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As the song goes
Aaron Maybin, Eric Wood,
Jairus Byrd, Andy Levitre,
Now don’t be sad,
’cuz 3 out of 4 aint bad.
I was hoping for an OT or a DT with the #42 pick. Guess we have to expect our DB-obsessed coach to waste another high pick on a corner. Jeesh!
I am glad they finally paid attention to the O-line though. That needed some TLC after losing 60% of last year’s starters…
Get the Bills back to the big game!
by Blitz on Apr 25, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
being dragged down by the Byrdie pick.
Look at it this way…maybe he’ll be an improvement over Whitner.
by thefourwinds on Apr 25, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That'd be nice
Speaking of the devil, his United Way commercial is on my TV screen at this exact moment…haha
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 26, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too......made me laugh
"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker
by Joe P. on Apr 26, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone assuming Levitre is going to start? The main knock on him is his lack of lower body strength. He was getting pushed over by bull rushers in college. What will happen to him in the NFL? He needs at least a year in the Bills’ offseason conditioning program before he is ready. And you are all assuming that Bell is going to be sitting on the bench. Yesterday just about everyone on this site was claiming that OT was the Bills’ main need and that they would definitely pick one at #11, or at least by #28. It’s now clear that they did NOT feel they needed a new OT to play on the left side. Why? Certainly not because they intend to leave Walker there indefinitely. He obviously belongs on the right with his size and skill set. The whole point underlying ALL of the Bills’ moves from the Peters trade onward is their belief that Bell is their LT of the future. If that’s so, why on earth would they fiddle around by moving Butler to RT? The only sensible thing is to start Bell there next fall, as Russ Bandon said was their plan, and let him get the experience necessary so they can move him to the left side as quickly as possible.
by Macktruck on Apr 26, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why shouldn’t we expect Levitre to start? They traded up in round 2 to get him, after selecting another Guard earlier. They didn’t do that to get a backup, they did that to get their starting Guard duo, IMO.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 26, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 26, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, Jauron and company are not a position on day one of the draft to select someone they don’t intend to start in week one.
by Mark Parisi on Apr 26, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um....what about Byrd?????
Byrd isn’t going to displace McGee or McKelvin. He’s going to be in a battle with Youboty, Corner and Florence to see any CB time at all. If he’s going to play safety then he has to overcome Scott and Whitner.
Levitre may or may not be a starter this year. It will largely depend on how OBD wants to use Butler (G or T) and Butler’s health. If Butler stays at guard then Levitre will be a back up, albeit one who will start at some point in the year when Butler goes down to injury.
by Ron From NM on Apr 26, 2009 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron – Byrd will be our starting free safety. George Catavolos said as much after the Bills selected Byrd.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 26, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he say starting free safety? I kind of watched the video without paying a whole lot of attention, I thought he simply said they’ll be trying Byrd at FS. No mention of starting I thought?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 26, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said free safety. I’m insinuating that he’ll start. Maybe not immediately. But at some point.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 26, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This pick may have been completely left-field and certainly not a need-centric selection, but there is undeniably some value here.
Value? I don’t see any value for Buffalo in 2009. In 2010, maybe but Byrd won’t contribute much this year outside of—maybe—special teams. That’s not what Buffalo needed out of a second round pick. It’s just sickening to think that Buffalo could have had Maybin, Brown, Wood and Levitre.
People always say you can’t look back at drafts and say that the Bills could have had (insert pro bowlers name) who was chosen later but this is like the Ngata situation. Buffalo blew it by taking a no-name corner over Brown and it was easy to see it in the moment.
by Ron From NM on Apr 25, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Read G’s FanPost. There’s a strong chance that Byrd could be our starting FS at some point next year.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 25, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what happened to moving whitner to fs and plugging scott, who’s stronger, at ss? that’s why to me the byrd move doesn’t make sense. we could have taken levitre at 42 and keep our 3rd and 4th round picks. also, levitre is too short to play LT. however, i like his potential to be a good og. i would have loved to have taken everette brown in the 2nd round. when you talk about byrd potentially being a valuable player at fs in a year or two, the same argument could be made about brown at defensive end, except that brown would address a greater need on the team.
by chaucer on Apr 25, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why so hung up on Brown? I want to improve the pass rush as much as the next guy, but Brown slide to pick 43 for a reason. I have no clue why that is, but for a guy who was viewed by many to be a top ten pick, to slide all the way to 43 is pretty drastic.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 25, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup Yup Yup
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 25, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bills drafted versatile player
Each one of these players can play multiple positions Maybin – DE/OLB, Woods – G/C, Byrd – CB/S, and Levitre G/C/T.
It seems the Bills valued versatile players in this draft. I am starting to see their method to their madness. Having this kind of versatility with your team is real helpful when the injury bug hits. Every team has to deal with injuries and this could help them deal with them a little better than other teams.
by grenoire on Apr 25, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed.......
But apparently Maybin doesnt project well to OLB………he is described as a “specialist”
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 25, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd
I about lost it when he was picked. But now that I see him playing safety, it is a really good pickup. We need playmakers at safety. Neither of our safeties have any ball skills. So adding Byrd should help us get some turnovers next year. I see this as a great draft so far. Wood, Levitre and Byrd should all start from day one and be immediate upgrades. Maybin will hopefully add an impact to our pass rush. Wood and Levitre are very safe picks.
by CBATL32 on Apr 25, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know Cover 2 corners don’t need as much speed as man defense CB’s, but I was shocked to see Byrd’s 40 time. I think he will have to play safety, no doubt. Hope his run defense technique is better than what we’ve seen from some of the other safeties on the roster…
Get the Bills back to the big game!
by Blitz on Apr 25, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
could maybin be the next jevon kearse? when kearse came out of florida, i knew he was going to be a dominant player. however, i think he would’ve been a greater defensive player at linebacker, which is what he played at florida. eventually, offenses caught up to his speed and his lack of strength hurt him against the bigger tackles. i hope maybin doesnt have this problem as well.
by chaucer on Apr 25, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Bad, you can only pick who's available
Given the Bill’s choices I don’t have a problem with any of their picks except for Wood, and only because it was a 2nd round pick. The coaches must have seen something in him. He seems like a smart kid, so many interceptions in College. Scouts, inc has him as the 7th best CB on the board, and a four star prospect. So we shall see. I love the OL depth, two solid picks. Maybin needs to keep showing progress in the weight room, getting bigger. His 30 inch waist and lower body seems to worry the local paper from Penn State. Worst comes to worst, he could be a LB in a few years. Hopefully he’ll produce more then Chris Ellis and/or Ellis will show something this year.
I am begging the Bills to pick USF LB Tyrone McKenzie if he’s available tomorrow.
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by Cookie G on Apr 25, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A Super Day One Draft
Maybin is the most potentially disruptive 4-3 DE in the class. Bold and beautiful. He is 250 now and will settle out at 260-270 or so. Great pick.
Wood is a top 2 C/G prospect. Strong and plays nasty. Solid value.
Levitre is the highest rated G. Played a lot of T. Great work ethic. Dependable choice.
Byrd. Don’t know squat about him. Trusting Modrak and Nix here. Highly regarded in the PAC 10. Ballhawk. CB who translates well to S in the NFL.
Best first day in a long time. I like the Modrak and Nix influence. Sleeping well tonite.
everything goes better with a BIG MACK
by keuka121 on Apr 25, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Suddenly our OLine is more legit
than it was with elite players like Fowler, Dockery, and Peters here.
GO BLUE!!!
by Kumario! on Apr 25, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Would have been nice to have Peters with Wood, Levitre, Hangartner and Butler, (or Wood, Levitre, Butler and Walker), but I’m excited about this line. I was for trading Peters as soon as he started acting like a butthead last year.
by thefourwinds on Apr 26, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am happy so far
I must admit that when they took Maybin I was disapointed but I do realize that if we are able to generate pressure we could be a totally different team. And when you consider our competition in the AFC East, it was the logical thing to do. His upside if h turns out like many of you think he will is a very exiting thought.
Then when Pettigrew went to Detroit and then Mack to Cleveland, I was extremely depressed – not surprised at all just depressed, I wanted these guys something awful! Now that being said, I am really happy with the Wood pick because he is a mean lineman, I really like that. I love guys who finish and this guys is a finisher.
Then like many of you my jaw dropped when I saw the Byrd (CB) selection and believe me I was fuming because my guy, Patrick Chung went off the board to none other than the dam Patriots. But after calming down I realized that they might see him at Safety and then the interview with Catavolos confirmed it. I love the idea that they decided to address Free Safety. I never bought into Brian’s notion of shifting Whitner over to the Free side. He has no ball skills but he is a decent DB against the run and he hits hard, so keeping him at SS and getting a guy with great ball skills at FS is great news to me. Again, considering our competition, FS production is a position of huge need. Hopefully with Maybin pinning his hears back and terrorizing opposing QBs, our DBs will increase their production as well this year. And finally when I read that we have so many of our current DBs coming to the end of their contracts, this pick makes sense.
I am a Bill Parcells Disciple, and I really believe that playoffs teams are dominant in the trenches and I think that with our 4 picks, OBD did a fantastic job at taking that first step at bring us back to the promised land. Butler, Wood & Levitre are mean nasty dominant linemen, a great recipe for a power run game.
As for tomorrow, I think that we might see a trade of Roscoe Parrish (especially since we now have Byrd, a proven Punt returner) to get back into the 3rd or early 4th round. I really hope that they can pickup Shawn Nelson and I’d still love to see them get Quinn Johnson in the 6th or 7th
Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Apr 25, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d love if they could add Shawn Nelson or James Casey. Those are the two guys I hope we find a way to get (well one of them, obviously).
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 26, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Otherwise we wait until next year
and target Grisham
Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Apr 26, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of really want Casey
so we can a souped up version of the Wildcat in addition to having a quality receiving threat at TE….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 26, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or we could swing a trade for Scheffler
Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Apr 26, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Parcells building in the trenches…. he took a CB and a Wildcat QB……….
by Pistol on Apr 26, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Value
Let me first start by saying that I do like a few of the guys we have drafted today.
But what bugs me about this draft (and I expect it bugs many of you as well) is the apparent lack of realized value that the Bills get out of their draft picks.
As someone who works in the finacial sector (not a good thing to admit to these days!) I must tell you this is a trait that separates the good investors from the great investors: value.
The good investor (the Bills) does their research, puts together a list of stocks they like, and then goes out and instantly buys the stocks, at whatever price they trade for.
The great investor (the Patriots maybe?) does their research, puts together a list of stocks they like AND price targets where they would be a good value, and then waits the market out until the price point is achieved.
Anybody can identify a good stock. The tough part is having enough conviction to wait for good value. A great investor would never buy a stock knowing it wasn’t at it’s absolute lowest perceived price. To invest before the lowest price would be leaving money on the table.
The Bills, to me, do not get enough value out of their picks. Maybin as the 1st DE taken? Everette Brown falling to our pick and we pick the 2nd best Center? Nobody can tell me teams were terrified of anyone picking Jarius Byrd before the 3rd round!
Again, I don’t mind the players we chose (well, maybe not so hot on Byrd), I just see New England getting max value out of their trades, and Carolina trading a 1st rounder to the team right after us to get Brown. Why couldn’t we have made that trade? We handicap ourselves enough with our “cash to the cap” policy. I hate to see us handicap ourselves again by not getting max value from our draft picks.
by StroudFanClub on Apr 25, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
well said.....
although lately (last three years or so) I feel like the Bills are doing much better with the value of their picks……
turning the page.
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 26, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We may handicap ourselves with the “cash to cap” policy, but we’ve won the same number of playoff games as Dallas since 1998. :)
Seriously, though. Buffalo is a small market team. Is the handicap the policy or the potential available revenue?
by Mark Parisi on Apr 26, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stroud – while I agree with your theory – I don’t agree with your point because of th lack of knowledge that OBD or the scouts had.
Case in point – Everette Brown – you say we should select value – which is correct. Obviously a lot of us thought Brown was goign to be a first round pick – if not a top 10 pick. He fall all the way past us in the second round. He obviously had a far lower grade than we all knew – so how can we say in any instance we knew if they Bills got good value off of their board?
What if Maybin/Byrd/Wood were all graded higher than everyone else picked at that point. We have no idea how they had players ranked. Maybin might have been their best DE on the board – and i’d say its likely.
I like your theory becuase its logical – but we don’t know how they had their board ranked. So we don’t know if they were reaching or had good value.
I’m sticking with they know what they are trying to do – took steps to make themselves better at draft time this year – and this draft (thus far) is a result.
My early grade is high – why? LINEMEN – oh the fat guys – good job so far OBD
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on Apr 26, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lack of knowledge that OBD or the scouts had.
lack of knowledge that we had on the rankings that OBD or the scouts had – sorry my toast was done ;)
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on Apr 26, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Folks, rec this comment!!!
StroudFanClub, that’s one of the best comments ever written on this blog. I see the same thing myself as a realtor (again, not something great to admit at this time, but in my local market, things are very hot because the economy is much different in west central North Dakota – ag, oil and Air Force up here). People recognize a good house when they see it, but then they are impatient and they are unwilling to wait until they can get it for a good price.
I just bought a new(er) vehicle this weekend. The guy wanted $4500, there was no way I was going to pay more than $3000 for it (didn’t tell him that). I offered him $2500, and when he said they wouldn’t go lower than $3800, I politely thanked him for his time and walked away. Ten minutes later as I was still driving home, he called me and said he would take $3000. Bingo! What I wanted for no more than I was willing to pay.
by thefourwinds on Apr 26, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Grrr…this was supposed to be a comment on StroudFanClub.
by thefourwinds on Apr 26, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
And thanks for the complement.
I was wondering why, even though I liked our new players, I still had a nagging feeling that we could have done more in this draft. I just don’t think teams are ever afraid to be picking one spot after us. We would never take a player they had in mind!
And maybe the phone in our draft room isn’t plugged into the phonejack? Why rush the Maybin pick in? (I can see Washington rushing the Orakpo pick in tho a few after us…they never thought he’d be there!) Why not call around when a 1st round talent falls into round 2? (maybe they did? they obviously didn’t call Carolina…) I don’t know, I just think that they need to be smarter with what we have if we are a small market team.
by StroudFanClub on Apr 26, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s pure speculation, though. You have to have a partner to trade with. If Buffalo wanted picks this year and Washington was willing to take something more palatable to Carolina, then it’s going to appear like Buffalo did nothing. Geronimo told us they made a serious effort to trade up for Pettigrew, but couldn’t accomplish it.
I suspect the real issue is not that OBD isn’t calling around, but that they have a different perception of value than most of the league… for better or worse.
by Mark Parisi on Apr 26, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Bills have different perception of value, then we have to make it work for us
If we know we are in the best position to take a guy rated highly (Everette Brown) but we don’t want him, we need to make other teams pay us for that. Carolina was willing to pay to get him. But they did it with the team that drafted after us. Sure, we are content to get our guy, but it could have been our guy PLUS something.
by StroudFanClub on Apr 26, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand what you’re saying, but other teams have to be willing to pay what we ask for — otherwise the whole argument is moot.
If Carolina isn’t willing to give up 2008 picks to move up and Buffalo isn’t willing to take 2009 picks to move down (a consequence of the front office being on the hot seat), there’s no way to “make it work”, no matter how much it’s the right thing to do (and I am in full agreement with you… it SHOULD have been our guy plus something).
by Mark Parisi on Apr 26, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
man I hope the Bills dont trade for picks for "2008"
because they would really be getting screwed…….
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 26, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Uh… I meant Carolina’s 19th pick in 2008! Yeah… that’s the ticket!
by Mark Parisi on Apr 26, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if carolina dont want
to trade with us because they are confident that we are notgoing to pick our man it doesn’t matter what we ask for it still wont happen
and the rubbish invester sits on his hand waiting for the stock to bottom out and then someone else pops up and buys it ahead of him.
but then i work in helth care so what do i know
Football. Bloody Hell!!
by gregeng on Apr 26, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, as an astrophysicist, i can’t come up with an analogy quite like yours…
by chaucer on Apr 26, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real question is
Did we get players who can start now and make a difference in our run to the playoffs?
I have to say yes. We now have a lighter and smarter offensive line. We now have a ballhawk FS that likes getting in the trenches and could cover a TE if necessary. WE gained a speed rusher who may give us a couple crucial plays during a game that may give us two or three more wins. 7-9 to 10-6 is possible.
Fat, Drunk, & Stupid is No way to go through life.
by Deadpool71 on Apr 26, 2009 12:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, it's way too early to tell
I’m excited about this year, but New England and Miami got better today, too. A lot of things still need to happen this season for 10-6 to happen, most importantly better coaching.
by Mark Parisi on Apr 26, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I agree we drafted some good players
But could have have gotten the same players (or similar talent-level players) AND another pick at any point in our draft? If you can’t answer instantly yes, than we should have been taking full time, working the phones like mad. Because it only takes one dumb GM…..
by StroudFanClub on Apr 26, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But again, it’s a misguided assumption to claim the phones weren’t being worked like mad. It’s equally as likely that Buffalo and potential trade partners couldn’t agree to to terms.
by Mark Parisi on Apr 26, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying they didn't work the phones
Only that a team was looking to trade up (Carolina), we didn’t want the player they were looking for, our player (Byrd) could have lasted a few more picks, and yet, we didn’t take advantage of the situation. Great teams figure out how to take advantage of every situation.
by StroudFanClub on Apr 26, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, I don't get paid to make football decisions
So I don’t know exactly what I would do. Maybe draft Brown, and then trade him with your orginal target in mind PLUS something else.
All I’m saying is the Bills have a habit (Whitner, Ellis, Byrd) of taking players that it doesn’t seem (again, just from what I hear) were very in demand at the time, and passing up on players that were in demand, without any trade downs. Its as if they are making decisions in a sealed room just based on their needs, without even considering what is happening around them (as far as trade downs are concerned, not trading up). And a strategy like that is very shortsighted and does not allow you to capitalize on what may be dropped into your lap.
I see the Pats make 2 trades this draft to trade down, and one a few years ago (for a 1st rounder in a subsequent draft) and you just get the sense that they value every draft spot. I don’t get that sense from the Bills.
by StroudFanClub on Apr 26, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed...
…OBD seems more concerned with getting their guy then getting value from their pick. It’s a different strategy than other teams (many successfully) employ.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Apr 26, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
The current OBD regime’s myopic strategy of “getting their guy” frustrates me to no end.
by Mark Parisi on Apr 26, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't misunderstand me
I can’t think of a rational justification not to turn the 42nd pick into more if Byrd is who you’re targeting and there’s a first round talent left. And I think you’re dead on in the difference between what passes for OBD’s draft day strategy versus a team like New England’s.
My only point is that it’s entirely possible that Buffalo and Carolina (or any of the 30 other teams) simply couldn’t agree on trade terms for a trade. To say they “should have” been working the phones implies that they weren’t.
by Mark Parisi on Apr 26, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As fans we really have no clue
Demand, as far as we are concerned, is really driven by the media and the mock drafts. For all you know, most talent evaluators/scouts expected Brown to drop. Maybe most of them actually saw Byrd as a pretty good 2nd round pick, along with all the other no-name safeties that were picked before the likes of William Moore etc who we’ve heard about from various mock-drafts.
What you have to realize that there are two different worlds when it comes to determining what player is worth what pick – the media created world, and the real world where the teams’ scouts make the prediction. And while it may not vary much in the top 5 or 10 players between the two worlds, the farther you get from those spots the more likely it is that the two worlds are completely different.
by Renegade23 on Apr 26, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's a good point
I’d be willing to bet players like Byrd and McCargo weren’t as high on other teams’ boards, though.
by Mark Parisi on Apr 26, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d agree more with this sentiment if the Panthers didn’t give up a 1st-round in 2010 for Brown, 1 pick after the Bills.
"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 26, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to acknowledge the possibility that the current front office isn’t interested in 2010 picks, though, because if they don’t put a winning product on the field this year, they won’t be around to make use of that pick next year.
by Mark Parisi on Apr 26, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still right there with you, StroudFanClub. I saw New England continue to drop spots and thought, “Oh man, even without Pioli, they’re still going to crush the Bills in manipulating draft day to their advantage.”
by thefourwinds on Apr 26, 2009 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
overall
a good first day
big upgrade on OL and DE, help at DB extra competition to bring the best out of whitner and scott
Is Ko Simpson about to shout “i used to be a buffalo bill”
Football. Bloody Hell!!
by gregeng on Apr 26, 2009 2:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dont know if this has been posted already
but perry fewell used to work with byrds dad so he has known him for years
Football. Bloody Hell!!
by gregeng on Apr 26, 2009 2:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
from buffalo news
Football. Bloody Hell!!
by gregeng on Apr 26, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure......
While I like the wood pick, I think he would have still been available when we picked in the 2nd round and I would have liked to seen us pick up Maugula from USC. He is a 3 time All-PAC-10 1st team LB and he is a beast. I like us picking Wood but I really think he would have still been available in the 2nd
by Sabresfan4ever1981 on Apr 26, 2009 2:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Leroy Hills is now a FA, we may have a shot at a new SLB without having to draft one
Read about it here, here and here
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 26, 2009 3:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree let'S bring him in
We could also bring in Marcus Washington who would still be an upgrade over Ellison. But don’t get me wrong I’d prefer Hills big time.
Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Apr 26, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
give me a break guys
seriously? most of you are satisfied?? This draft stunk. And no matter how you dress it, it still stinks.
the Bills were also focused on adding playmakers defensively – and Byrd is decidedly that
Yuck, yuck. Everette Brown was on the board. He would have added playmaking in an area which we desperately need far more than the secondary.
While I like the wood pick, I think he would have still been available when we picked in the 2nd round
That is all that has to be said Sabresfan, you are correct. Wood?? In the 1st round? Wow.
Did we get players to start at positions of need? Yes we did. But that is such a bogus argument, our team had so many friggin holes we could have drafted any way of a dozen and accomplished the same thing. The point wasn’t to get starters at positions of need, the point was to get impact starters.
Slice and dice this draft all you want, and I’m happy with the Maybin pick, but somehow, we were in position to get Brian Orakpo and Everette Brown in the same draft and blew it.
Really, Byrd? Please lets not justify this pick. We needed a linebacker, a tight end, and a left tackle and could have gotten all of them with that pick.
The best draft of the day was the Packers. I still hope day 2 can salvage this draft for us, but right now, my faith in the front office has been shot.
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
by poz on Apr 26, 2009 3:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For me, the only thing that can really turn draft weekend around
Is that if the reports of Leroy Hill are true and he and the Seahawks are truly splitsville and we somehow land him, THEN I can consider it a somewhat satisfying weekend. Otherwise, I have a bad feeling about this.
Some guys rate the picks as good or great, I cannot give them that level of grade. As I noted before Maybin is boom or bust, Wood and Levitre are Solids, but not great picks, and Byrd, still, is a simple WTF pick.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Apr 26, 2009 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say the are good/great based on team needs.......
pass rush help…….(Maybin obviously and even Byrd to a smaller extent helps with the pass rush) and then interior line help………..which we needed bad……..thats why I say the picks are good…..course if the picks dont pan out…..then it sucks……
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 26, 2009 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no no. our secondary will improve once our pass rush improves. brown would and shouldve been the pick instead of wood.
by chaucer on Apr 26, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the draft so far....
I really, really rate the pick of Wood, but I think he has to be a future center rather than guard.
I like the pick of Maybin less, just because I’m worried over his bust potential. But can’t blame OBD for taking the risk and taking a pass rusher.
I think Byrd will work out- we need extra cover for the secondary and he makes plays. Can’t ask any more than that.
Levitre- not sure whether we gave up too much here, and also why not take William Beatty?? Why two interior linemen??
All in all, happy so far but in my view we still need the pass catching TE. without a third rounder, we’ll have to look to move up to get Ingram, Nelson or Cook.
My view on the o-line next year is:
Walker-Wood-Hangartner-Butler-Bell. That leaves Chambers, Levitre and McKinney as depth and I’m happy with that.
If they really believe that Bell is a future LT (and Walker can only be viewed as a stop-gap) then they have to get him some snaps next year at RT the same as we did with Peters.
Hangartner better work out at C otherwise I could see Wood taking that slot.
by Rob_Bills on Apr 26, 2009 8:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bell isn't going to be starting
at least I hope not
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 26, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i cannot think of a top notch nfl player who is a former penn state alumn…
by chaucer on Apr 26, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
many people were talking up Kerry Collins last year for MVP for a while.......
PSU alum
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 26, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown
Also, I’m glad we didn’t take Brown in addition to Maybin.
Every team clearly had concerns over Brown and he’s got bust written all over him since he’s an FSU product.
I think Carolina took a chance that was worth taking for them due to the Peppers situation and the fact they need to win now.
by Rob_Bills on Apr 26, 2009 8:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The more I look at Byrd and the other draft picks, the more I like them. Byrd had 86 tackles from the corner sr. year. Mos def a safety, his neck is huge. I noticed that the ESPN draft analyst who’s not Mel Kiper said the Bills had the best first day during sportscenter, I think Mel said Green Bay, GB drafted a few picks ahead of us in the first and got B.J..
http://thepragmaticprogressive.blogspot.com
by Cookie G on Apr 26, 2009 8:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what’s up with mel kiper yelling at the other dude, and walking off the stage??
by chaucer on Apr 26, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crystal Meth kills
http://thepragmaticprogressive.blogspot.com
by Cookie G on Apr 26, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd
He’s the safety we need….so after seeing CB next to his name, and nearl losing my lunch, I am somewhat happy, since we probably took a very good player, who was a CB but we project him at a different position. I almost don’t like that Fewell knows him, because that makes it sound like we may have reached or been blinded by that recognition, but oh well
The Bills CAN win every game
by killascript on Apr 26, 2009 9:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or that Fewell had too much input....
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 26, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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