Some Informed First Day recap
I hope all of you folks had as much fun as I did today---it is always alternately fun, frustrating and ALWAYS interesting. I had hoped to be able to post this morning once I had some insite into what our first day plans were, but alas, i was away from the PC most of the morning. I did, however, have the time to call Brian and give him a heads-up as to what may occur and hope that he passed it along. I have not had the time to go back over the hundreds and hundreds of posts to see if it made it.
First off---Maybin. Excepting the slim possibility that Curry or the OT from Alabama would fall to us, they had been honing in on Maybin for quite awhile at 11, but keeping the interest pretty low-key. There was, as has been reported, a huge interest in Pettigrew as well and their first day goal was really to come out of the first day with both of them. Now truth be told, I was NOT a huge Maybin fan. I felt he was simply too small, could not hold up against the run and #11 was simply too high for a situational player. However, as somebody told me today, they view him as clearly the MOST significant potential difference-maker they could get their hands on. Somebody who could make plays. They very much liked Ayers, but didn't see that ability there at all. Same with Cushing and Matthews. OBD felt that their season essentially ended last year when Schobel went down and any ability to apply pressure with four people ended. Will Maybin work out? I do not know. But he clearly has the upside and was well worth it at #11. For all of you Ohers lovers---they liked him as a player but honestly viewed him as one of the "strangest" players who have ever interviewed at OBD and after that, they lost interest.
They tried MIGHTILY to move up from #28 and get Pettigrew. They felt they had to get to #19 ahead of Philly, Balt. and Detroit, but alas, folks were asking for a second rounder and they couldn't get it done. I loved the guy. There was a school of thought at OBD that they should take him at #11 and hope that Maybin slid--but that was outvoted.
The second biggest objective for OBD today, was to change the composition and nature of the O-Line. I have posted here earlier that they would likely take 2-3 O-Lineman and they would not be "Dockery nice," but rather "Butler not nice." They had Wood, Unger and LeVitre ranked 1, 2, 3 out of all the interior lineman available. and when Wood was picked at #28, rest assured he is going to step in immediately at LG. The love LeVitre as well, and couln't resist the opportunity to move up and get him. Pencil him in as the starting RG--and Butler will go back to RT. Langston will play LT and Chambers/Bell will be our swing guys. In my mind--this restructuring is HUGE. Wood and LeVitre play to the whistle, are smart, tough and will hit you in the nose. I am encouraged.
Now I know that Jarious Byrd shocked all of you--and me as well, although his name was mentioned to me as somebody they liked a lot. I just wasn't paying appropriate attention. My bad. I wish I was. He is NOT going to play corner, but is ideally suited to Free Safety although as you know we use our two safeties almost interchangably. As was explained to me--OBD feels he has a better set of ball skills than almost enybody we have in the secondary, is a tough, hard, nosed run stuffer and can also cover, a neccessity for the Cover 2. They view him as potentially better than Scott and much better than George Wilson. An upgrade.
I know some of you are disappointed that we didn't uprgade at SAM and at TE. I suppose I am as well to some degree, but simply put, we didn't the ammo to do it all. The national media is trashing us for not getting a LT, but somebody at OBD told me tonight--do they really think there was a single tackle out there who will be better than Langston in 2009? Excepting Smith perhpas. I think OBD feels the same way about the OLBs and TEs available in the 2nd/3rd round. I am pretty sure they will try and add somebody at each position once we get back on the clock, but rather than attempt to make an incremental upgrade at a number of spots--they chose to really get after the O-Line, which I cannot blame them for.
I hope to get some more insite into who they will be looking at tomorrow and will share it if I can.
What i think we accomplished today? I think we added three smash mouth tough, good FOOTBALL PLAYERS where we needed them, and a potentially critical pass rusher. I heard one national guy compare Maybin to John Abraham. That would be nice.
That is it for tonite.
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G
I have just one single question, why did they feel they needed to take Byrd at 42 and not Levitre? I would have preferred Levitre there and then seen what other S’s or CBs who could move would be available closer to the 3rd so we wouldn’t have to burn quite so much ammo to move.
Do they have a OLB they really like in day 2 that they may need to make a trade for?
Who is odd man out in the secondary then if they feel Byrd is such a huge upgrade playmaking wise?
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
Good question
I really don’t know why they took him there and not LeVitre, other than to speculate that that’s just how their Board had them. Your point is well-taken though. Please also keep in mind that he also has some return ability. I don’;t belive Roscoe will be with the team next year, and he will likely take some of the burden off of McKelvin.
I have not had the time yet to get into tomorrow’s plans/players.
Geronimo
Cool, thanks for the reply, it was just really baffling to me
I like the Levitre pick, I think we will have a nasty line that wants to push people off the field which should make life a lot easier on ML and Freddy.
Do you think then that Roscoe could be trade bait for a move back up to the 3rd then for someone?
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
Odd Man Out?
My vote is for Ko Simpson. Get him out! Buh-Bye!
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by O.J. Is My Bodyguard on Apr 26, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
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by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 27, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions
G
You kind of lost me with your Byrd discussion.
He is NOT going to play corner, but is ideally suited to Free Safety although as you know we use our two safeties almost interchangably. As was explained to me—OBD feels he has a better set of ball skills than almost enybody we have in the secondary, is a tough, hard, nosed run stuffer and can also cover, a neccessity for the Cover 2. They view him as potentially better than Scott and much better than George Wilson. An upgrade.
Free safety would be Whitner not Scott (strong). So are you trying to say Byrd would play strong safety, or Whitner would be moved back to strong safety.
Please clarify, thanks for the insight.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 25, 2009 10:42 PM EDT reply actions
Geronimo what has changed?
Geronimo what has changed since your March 29 fanpost?
“Let’s say that Mr. Maybin may not have the physical stature/strength to fill the role all of YOU so dearly want him to.”
Your March 29 comments indicate the Bills were not very high on Maybin….
Smoke and mirrors!
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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 25, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Has anything changed? Where did he call him stout at the point of attack, et al here? :)
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 25, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Come one Brian....that is not what he was saying
You have to admit that post soured us on the Bills taking Maybin. I had us taking Maybin in my mock at #11 until that post.
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Yeah, I suppose I may have misinterpreted. My bad.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 25, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Joe P., the whole point is that it was smoke and mirrors to get us talking about other things. G clearly said OBD was trying to be low-key about their interest in Maybin. Nothing changed, except we all took G’s bait.
by thefourwinds on Apr 25, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you miss read the flow of the comments
That said, I think G said there was some debate about Maybin pick. I don’t think he was trying to blow smoke about Maybin, but actually believed the Bills would go elsewhere at the time. Maybe not…..I have been wrong a lot today :-)
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No, you got it right.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 26, 2009 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions
You are right
Honestly—-I have never tried to mislead anybody here. Simply, I heard nothing in the weeks preceeding the Draft to indicate that Maybin would be taken at #11. I was as surprised as you guys when I learned this yesterday morning. All comments prior to yesterday were filled with a balance of his known attributes as welll as concerns. One thing does occur to me though in thinking about this—it is becoming clearer to me now that the Board does not really become crystalized intil the last 3-4 days. Up until then there is a LOT of back-and-forth, discussion and exchange of ideas. Not real clarifiication. Trust me—I just posted what I knew—with a dose of my own biases on top I am sure.
A couple of other thoughts. Byrd reminds me in a couple ways to a prior DJ pick when he was with the Bears, who he once called the smartest player I ever coached. Mike Brown of of Nebraska, a second rounder who was a terrific player—when he could stay on the field. Smart, hard hitting, slightly undersized, hard hitting centerfielder with great ball skills.
Two final thoughts—-can anybody here say definitively that all of the developmental tackles selected yesterday are going to be one bit better than Demtrious Bell will be at this time next year? Maybe OBD thinks not.
Lastly—-do you see a trend away from JAG (Just a guy) types, and toward more playmakers….guys who can really make a difference as opposed to ones with limited floors who won’t hurt you? I think I do.
Geronimo
by Geronimo on Apr 26, 2009 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great point....
Lastly—-do you see a trend away from JAG (Just a guy) types, and toward more playmakers….guys who can really make a difference as opposed to ones with limited floors who won’t hurt you? I think I do.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 26, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
What about our 6th round pick then???
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
LOL
G’s bait? Right that’s what he was trying to do, He said that now cause he was really wrong not cause he was trying to smoke screen the fans at Buffalo Rumblings. We all knew we’d be taking multiple O-Lineman with us losing 5 this off season.
G thanks.......awesome post.......nice to know we have a member of the community on the inside.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 25, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
love that starting line...
We finally have a strong middle where we won’t be blown off the ball by the big DTs. It also gives us depth and freedom for competition for all positions, and protection against injuries. Hopefully we will move Roscoe or others for some leeway.
I’d like to somehow find a TE and LB to compete.
Is there any possibility for Scheffler?…are we going to see who falls to the 4th?…who can we get for OLB?
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Agreed
Once I read that we took LeVitre, I was trying to figure our who would play where. My thought is that Butler is big enough and athletic enough to play RT and Walker could move to LT. I don’t mind at all having two rookies at Guard with their smarts and ability. I love our new O-line. They will be mean as all hell.
by hilliarddavid on Apr 25, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair comment
I think I let some of my own personal bias in there, but it’s a fair comment. In my own mind, I want a three down player at #11, and I had heard comments from OBD that he was small and would have to put on some weight. I guess I now understand the logic behind the pick and am now a HUGE Maybin fan. I am a tad skeptical though. Can’t wait to see him at Camp though—they say he has an truly amazing first step.
Geronimo
Maybin
I think he will develop into a 3 down player, his frame allows for him to put on 15 pounds and let’s be honest, not many DE’s come in and play 3 downs thier first season.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 25, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting as always, Geronimo.
I’ve been a Maybin fan all along. Glad he was the pick. Think he’s going to do wonders for our pass rush; I just hope he can assimilate to the speed of the NFL game quickly enough.
I’m most excited about the line though. We don’t have any more divas – this is a line that will smack you in the mouth. I think we’re pretty well set to field a VERY solid offensive attack, provided Derek Fine can handle starting TE duties (he’ll have to now) and our line can gel. They’re all smart cats.
I am satisfied with the way today went – even with Byrd. I like a DB with ball skills.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 25, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions
I agree
I am pretty happy with today. I wish we could have traded up to get Pettigrew, but Oh well. I think Maybin will have a tough year, based on what I saw versus OSU and other big ten games he can be dominated. He will need to beef up (which he can) and get some football schooling under him. Remember he was a Junior who came out early.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 25, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Davon Drew would be a nice fifth round pick….
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
or Hill in the 4th
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TE options
Their are still 5 very solid TEs left on the board (Coffman, Casey, Cook, Ingram and Nelson). I am not saying they would come in right away and start, but would provide a different type of TE that we currently have on our roster. I can see us trying to move up if their is a run on TE… maybe we package Kelsey and a late pick (not giving up our 4th). I am willing to be that we sign Derrik Brooks to start at OLB.
by hilliarddavid on Apr 25, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
There are still many decent TE Prospects available
I would hope that at least one is still there in the 4th round or maybe a trade tomorrow brings us back in the 3rd to get Shawn Nelson?
Otherwise I could see someone like Cook, Ingram, Casey or Coffman dropping to us in the 4th. Then again, we could wait for Jermaine Gresham next year.
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I agree
For everyone saying Geronimo “let us be taken off-guard.” Even Maybin said he didn’t have ANY clue the Bills were interested in him, but was happy when Buffalo was on the phone. The Bills were obviously playing it close to the vest, You know the last 1st round defensive end who people said wasn’t big enough to hold up against the run and were just speed and would be eaten up by NFL Left tackles; but was also drafted #11? Dwight Freeney. I went to Syracuse and LOVE Cuse players in the NFL. EVERYONE thought Freeney was just fast and couldn’t play the NFL game against bigger tackles. In fact the Bills let him pass by, as they took Mike Williams 4th overall in the draft, while the Colts grabbed Freeney at #11 (how much would you love to have that pick back?) Maybin is only 21, and can still put weight onto his frame. He’s FAST which none of our other DEs have. I think he can be a stud.
Side Note, here are the players drafted before Freeney; coincidently. Everyone thought the other 10 picks would be better, but you tell me who made out better:
1. David Carr
2. Julius Peppers
3. Joey Harrington
4. Mike Williams
5. Quentin Jammer
6. Ryan Sims, DT, KC
7. Bryant McKinnie, OT, MINN
8. Roy Williams, SS. DAL
9. John Henderson, DT, Tenn
10. Levi Jones, OT, ARZ
11. Dwight Freeney
Coincidence? I think not.
by Sportscaster on Apr 26, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ve been comparing Maybin to Freeney for a while now and I think the more reps Maybin gets in practice and in games, the more that comparison will hold true. I love this pick from the Bills.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 27, 2009 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I am satisfied with the way today went – even with Byrd. I like a DB with ball skills.
Your not the only one. My knee jerk reaction was to hate the pick, but the more I think about it, the more I like it. It’s like the TO signing, you have to get over the nitial shock. And having a ballhawk in the secondary is always a good thing.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 27, 2009 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Just like T.O., I am going to take a wait and see approach with Byrd. When he starts actually "hawking" some balls, I will feel better.
Until then, I think LB should have been the pick.
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I'm excited too.
Especially because Byrd isn’t from the Big 10 home of molasses offenses. Being a Pac 10 guy he gets to face some real speed. I can’t wait for the season to start! It’s amazing how the NFL keeps you hooked all year long, isn’t it? With the Red Sox, I’m more than happy for the break from October/November until opening day in April. With the Bills, I’m anxious all year long :)
freddy keiaho?
if we don’t end up some how getting a LB, do you see him coming in soon to compete?
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A fairly good day
I like the thinking behind these picks. you can’t fill all your holes in a draft, so do what you think has the most impact. I see the defense having improved so far and the offensive line definitely needed an overhaul.
I’m surprised they couldn’t have landed Pettigrew though, with the Browns dropping all day, and even droppong from the 19th spot to the 21st spot for a sixth, but not being willing to drop from 19 to the 28th spot for a 3rd or 2- 4ths.
Byrd just seems like such a luxury pick. Taking Levitre at 42 would have allowed Buffalo to take a TE or LB in the 3rd. The only way that happens now is if Buffalo somehow swings a trade….and I doubt Parrish/Kelsay/Simpson would be enough to get that done.
Don’t forget that the Steelers – the one team linked to Parrish at this point – have three third-round picks. That’s a situation to keep an eye on…
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 25, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Note to Steelers......please...please...please....give us a third for Roscoe and maybe a 7th round pick?
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Yeah
Take him off our hands and allow us to get a TE!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
At this point, I think a replacement for Ellison is more of a need than TE.
by Mark Parisi on Apr 25, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
FULLY agreed..
Hopefully we package Kelsay or Parrish with our 5th and grab Marcus Freeman.
GO BLUE!!!
In the 3rd that is
That sounds about fair right?
Role player + 5th rounder for a 3rd? Get it done!
GO BLUE!!!
or McKenzie
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McKenzie is certainly my preference at this point.
by Mark Parisi on Apr 25, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I just love reading all of these and comparing them to the comments after we drafted Nelson. OBD looks pretty smart for not trading up, don’t they?
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 27, 2009 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Considering that Braylon Edwards and Anquan Boldin didn’t get moved today, do you really think we can get a 3rd rounder for Parrish? There’d have to be more from Buffalo than just a player to get back into the 3rd round, right?
by Mark Parisi on Apr 25, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t say we’d get a third. Just that the Steelers have a lot of Day 2 ammo. I can see how that was insinuated, but it’s not what I meant. Sorry! :)
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 25, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll go crazy if the Bills don’t trade back into the 3rd, though. McKenzie and Cadogan on day two would make me be very satisfied with this draft, even with my doubts about Byrd.
by Mark Parisi on Apr 25, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You might want to stock up on some Prozac
Unless Buffalo trades a 2010 pick it will be difficult to find a scenario in which the Bills get back into the 3rd.
I’m hoping Parrish or Kelsay will be part of the ammuntition. OBD shouldn’t be worried about trading 2010 picks, though… I’m not convinced they’ll be here next year yet.
by Mark Parisi on Apr 26, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
SO
We could of had
Pettigrew
OR
Byrd, Levitre
Huh. That’s a interesting choice and I honestly can’t say which is better. One hand, we missed on an amazing fit at TE (rare for us apparently). But on the other, we finally got a true ballhawk for FS and got another top Guard who can swing at tackle.
Does anyone here see Butler as a better option at RT than Chambers/Bell though?
GO BLUE!!!
Yes, Butler the Bills RT
Butler is 6’7 and 315 lbs., which is the same size as Chambers. I think that Butler is a bit more athletic than Chambers. I love our O-line.
LT – Walker 6’8 366
LG – Wood 6’4 310
C – Hangartner 6’5 301
RG – LeVitre 6’3 305
RT – Butler 6’7 315
We have four guys who you wouldn’t want to see in a dark alley and Walker is just massive but athletic enough to hold up in the passing game
by hilliarddavid on Apr 25, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Until today nearly everyone on this blogsite was insisting that Walker wasn’t suited to be a LT because he couldn’t deal with speed-rushers. That’s still true, although as was the case last year he can certainly handle the assignment on a temporary basis, especially if he has help from a TE to protect the edge. So clearly the Bills need to have an authentic LT soon, and there is only one viable candidate on the roster — Demetrius Bell. No one else has the combination of size (including super-long arms), speed, agility, footwork, and power that he possesses. Since that is true, why would the Bills move Brad Butler to RT instead of letting Bell start there and get the experience he needs in order to be able to transition to LT as soon as possible? It makes no sense. Levitre, who has a lot of work to do himself (especially in regard to building up his lower body strength) before he will be ready for the NFL, will be a back-up in 2009, not a starter.
I would think Levitre would be a backup guard to start the season
You have said Bell will start at RT for a while. You could very well be right. Props to you :-)
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I still think that Walker isn’t perfectly suited for our LT position. and while I think he’ll do an admiral job, I honestly see him sharing the snaps 50/50 with Chambers by the bye week. Although I’m hoping that I’ll be pleasantly surprised, which would be nice for once.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 27, 2009 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions
And I think that Bell gets reps at both tackle positions, but I honestly don’t see him starting until the 2010 season.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 27, 2009 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll take option two. A top notch Guard prospect and maybe a good DB prospect for the future….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Agreed. Having Petti would have been great, but I’d rather have two great players then just one, even if the one is better then the other two.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 27, 2009 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually
It’s probably Pettigrew or Wood/Byrd….
To move into the late teens we’d have had to trade our 2nd rounder along with #28. There’s goes Wood and Byrd then….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
THe Browns were dropping down 2 spots, not 10
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Today
I think OBD made out O.K. today. Not bad at all, now that I’ve had a chance to sit back and digest it a little. I would have liked to see the #42 pick go for an OT, a DL, or a LB though.
I wonder how our O-line will do with 2 rookies on it? I guess I have my doubts…
Get the Bills back to the big game!
Thanks G
Good to hear your thoughts and explanations about how the day went. I hope OBD is able to target an OLB like McKenzie early tomorrow.
"Get ready for the pain women…the pain train is coming Whooo Whooooo !!!!!" – Terry Tate Office Linebacker
Thanks G
I can’t complain about the round 1 picks. Maybin has a ways to go before he reaches his potential, but there’s a lot to like about him, right now. He should be able to give us that much, much, much needed pass rush threat off the edge we need in passing situations while adding some bulk and developing his game. It might not seem like much for a #11 pick, but his upside is as important as any immediate impact he has, I believe. I just hope he does have some immediate impact to go with that upside.
I love the Wood pick. I had him going to us in round 2, but to get him at the end of round 1 is fine. I still think Pittsburgh would have taken him at 32. He’s going to be a rock in the interior of our line with Levitre and Hangartner. I like that. Maybe we’ll convert some 3rd and shorts based on the OL’s blocking instead of Lynch/Jackson fighting for the yards themselves.
Hearing Byrd as a potential FS makes it a little better for me, but not a whole lot. Do they really see this kid, and his 4.7 speed, as a better safety prospect than guys who played their entire careers at the position? I’d have MUCH rather had Darcel McBath at FS or even Rashad Johnson who’s still available. But I guess Byrd’s new versatility, ball skills and future impact won’t make this pick as bad as it seems. I just think we should have gone elsewhere and taken our chances with a CB/S later.
Heard anything about any player trades? Is Roscoe going to have a new home?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Byrd had 17 INTs in 3 years… I think Whitner and Simpson have combined for 4 in the past 3 years. I don’t love the pick by any means, but if nothing else, I think he’s earned a little benefit of the doubt.
by Mark Parisi on Apr 26, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I wouldn’t worry about his size or speed. He is pretty much the exact same size as Whitner and I have not once thought of Whitner’s size being an issue. As far as Byrd’s 4.7 40 time, I am not concerned because he played big-time college football and seemed to manage to have good enough closing speed to pick-off 17 passes. Don’t forget that football smarts, anticipation and taking the right angles can make-up for a lack of speed.
by hilliarddavid on Apr 26, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t consider Whitner’s size to be an issue either, but that highlight of LaMont Jordan blowing him up is still fresh in my mind.
It was Sammy Morris!!!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Whitner and Simpson
are not playmakers in any way. I don’t consider Simpson much of anything actually.
I hope Byrd can become a FS ASAP, we certainly need help at the position. I hope this also ends the speculation of Whitner at FS. With his lack of ball skills and any kind of playmaking ability, that would have been a bad idea.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I compare this pick to the signing of TO, after you get over the initial shock, you realize that it’s actually a good move by the team.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 27, 2009 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t mind the player, but I do still mind not taking Levitre here and losing the two draft picks.
by thefourwinds on Apr 27, 2009 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d have MUCH rather had Darcel McBath at FS or even Rashad Johnson who’s still available.
For once, we disagree. Unless Buffalo changes schemes, they need their safeties to make plays as tacklers. How many times have you seen Ko SImpson make big mistakes in the run game? And he is a solid tackler for a free safety.
I think you would agree that the real problem with that pick is that it assured that Langston Walker is the starting LT. Will Beatty was a much more logical pick. I was so sure that they traded up to grab him and not Levitre.
I thought for sure they would have brought in a future LT because I don’t see how Walker can handle the position for more than a few games without getting abused. I was pretty shocked by Levitre especially after picking Wood before. I guess they really don’t want Chambers starting anywhere…
I thought those guys were pretty good tacklers, but I could be wrong. At least from what I’ve been able to gather, Byrd seems to be a good, solid tackler….something the current safeties haven’t been other than Scott.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Watching Joey Porter run right by Peters last year makes me worry about what he’ll do to Walker this year…
Watching James Harrison just fly by Walker and crush Trent about 10 snaps into the preseason game is why I don’t think Walker can handle anybody with speed. He really needs to work on being quicker out of his stance in order to get to these rushers….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I think you made me just throw up in my mouth with that image.....
WHY?
WHY would you do that to me?!?!??!?!?
Is it because I said I didnt like Brown?
I take it all back……………
now take back what you said :-(
Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009
by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 26, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
TE Gronkowski
I know he is more of a blocking TE, but he is a local boy from Williamsville … why not?
Here is the link at rotoworld on the Leroy Hill release story
Read about it here
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I don't get it G
I’m not sure if you can, but please help a fan to understand OBD’s logic here:
They tried MIGHTILY to move up from #28 and get Pettigrew. They felt they had to get to #19 ahead of Philly, Balt. and Detroit, but alas, folks were asking for a second rounder and they couldn’t get it done.
Essentially , we sacrificed getting Pettigrew, head and shoulders the best tight end in the draft, for corner depth? If we traded up in the second to get Levitre in the second anyway, why not give up the second we used to get Byrd to get Pettigrew?
I understand they think Wood and Levitre can both be starters, and that is exciting, but they obviously loved Pettigrew and Wood or Levitre could have been had with the trade up, so they must have had a contigency plan with how to move forward with one interior lineman, right? I just don’t know if I would have held on to that second for Byrd.
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
We would have given up #28 and #42, so it would have cost our Wood and Byrd. Plus, who knows if they’d have given up the picks to get Levitre after that too.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
There was no guarantee that their man would be there
As much as I wanted Pettigrew, I think they did the right thing. It’s easy now to second guess it but there was no way of knowing that Levitre would be there. Furthermore, Wood is much better. To me, it was extremely important to at least get one Interior Lineman (Mack or Wood) and had we traded up for Pettigrew we would not have gotten Mack, Wood or even Levitre. So I like how it panned out, we come out of this draft a heck of a lot stronger than if we would have sold the farm to get up to #19
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FEED the BEAST!
Same here, I’d rather have Wood/Byrd/Levitre then just Pettigrew. I say that because I highly doubt that we make the trade for Levitre if we trade for Pettigrew.
OBD suprisingly did the right move here.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 27, 2009 4:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is better
Pettigrew and whoever we would have got in the third round/fourth round or
Wood, Levitre, Byrd and Nelson?
I definitely like the second option. Nelson could be every bit as good (or better) than Pettigrew in a year or two.
Nelson could be every bit as good (or better) than Pettigrew in a year or two.
I doubt that. Pettigrew is going to be a huge stud in the NFL.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
I doubt that as well
but Nelson could become a better receiving TE, that’s for sure. Pettigrew will always be a better blocker.
HOpefully Nelson can add some more bulk and continue improving his blocking.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
What's better?
One great Blocking TE
or
Two great “mean” run blocking guards
with a decent blocking TE that can stretch the field and is a polished receiver?
I’ll take option 2, thank you very much!
Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
Maybe on another team, but the Lions? Even Calvin Johnson isn’t being looked at the same as Andre Johnson, and he has arguably more talent and more impressive phycial attributes.
In the past 20 years, becoming a Lion is a death sentence to anyone not named Barry Sanders.
"It's not delivery, it's DiGiorgio!"
by TheAfghanTwilight on Apr 28, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
that is the question
i guess I’ll never know who we could have gotten in the 3rd and 4th
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
Robert Ayers-Brandon Pettigrew and Clay Matthews? What happened? Maybin was always the top target at OBD, Ayers is the complate opposite of Maybin and that should tell us that he was not the target of OBD by them selecting Maybin. Nelson was the target at TE as they knew with Fine on board that we lacked a true recieving threat and we had other needs to fill early and had Alex Mack been there at #28 he would’ve been the choice but Eric Wood was an excellent next option and choice for us there. Have you guys noticed that most of this is wrong?-Other than that we did take 2 O-Lineman which we all knew with losing 5 O-Lineman this offseason that we’d at the least be taking 2 this draft. I understand that anything can happen during the draft depending on how things fall but out of the options listed in this thread none came through and with the players we did select none were listed as options untill after the fact.
Pettigrew was the top TE on the board. Period.
We have heard it over and over. If it was Nelson they would have traded up to get him in the third because nobody expected him to be there in the 4th.
We thought it was Ayers into last week because that’s who OBD has taken in the past. Geronimo told Brian on Saturday morning than Maybin would be the pick at 11. Brian posted it on our open thread a minute before the pick happened.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 27, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes when the cameras cut to Maybin and he was on the phone as the attention was always put on the player who gets on the phone as if he’s gonna get drafted before he does. Prior to that he just said “one of you is right” Why not say who it was until it was obvious to everyone before the camera goes to focus on just that one specific player smiling and getting the phone call that he’s their guy like they do with every pick taken in the 1st round.
He said he didn't want to kill the suspense.
For whatever it’s worth. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 28, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont think Andre Smith was the target either as was suggested since we did not draft a Tackle at all and if we were targeting him it would be likely that we would’ve drafted a Tackle at some point in the draft with that as an option and we seen that William Beatty was available for us when we jumped for Levitre. I think OBD has seen the progress in Demetrius Bell’s development enough to feel that he’s the future and that’s the reason we did’nt target a Tackle and while he might not be ready to start on opening day-I do think he’ll be our starter within another year of development and could potentially come sooner.
The reason we drafted no OTs after Smith...
is because the Bills organization thinks none of the tackles after him were any better than D. Bell. What would be the point of drafting a 2nd round tackle that’s not better than the second or third tackle on your team? Andre Smith, on the other hand, is a truly unique blocker and if he was there at 11 would have been the pick.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 27, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Just a thought on the Whitner debate...
Did anyone see the NFLN interview of Malcolm Jenkins during the draft? He was asked “who was the best player you have ever played with?” His answer was “It was easily Donte Whitner”. He went on to talk about Donte diagnosing plays before they started, making sure the alignments were correct, and that he called audibles. Can we please stop bashing Whitner for not catching INTs, the guy is really good football player.
by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 27, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
Why?
Because he was solid in college 3 years ago?
Our criticism is based on his play in the NFL, which has been unspectacular, at best. We picked him in the top 10 and have hardly seen enough return on that investment.
Sure, Donte works really hard at his craft, but until it translates better on the field, he is open for criticism. Nobody has ever questioned his work habits (other than perfecting his tase defense), it’s his play and production that has been the problem.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Exactly.
We can criticize any player for on-field stuff. He might know what play is coming or be in the right spot for the defense but he hasn’t been able to use that knowledge to make a huge difference on our defense. I think he is an adequate starter but until he makes some gamechanging plays he will always not live up to the expectations of a top ten pick.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 28, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
It's easy to predict plays
When you play for THE Ohio State University and you’re facing the highly imaginative offenses of the Big 10.

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