More help at DE needed? Tamba Hali the answer?
by jri111 on Apr 27, 2009 2:03 PM EDT
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The addition of Aaron Maybin was a much needed jolt to Buffalo's pass-rush woes; however, taking the 21-year old stand-out from Penn State did not magically eliminate all of Buffalo's problems at the defensive end position. Although Maybin will undoubtedly play a large role in Buffalo's defense right from the get-go, it remains likely that Chris Kelsey will be Buffalo's opening day starter in 2009. Opposite Kelsey will be 31-year old, Aaron Schobel. Schobel is coming off an injury induced 2008 season and some question whether his best years are behind him. The Bills do have Chris Ellis, but last year's third round hasn't shown any indication that he would be an upgrade over Schobel or Kelsey anytime in the near future. So are the Bills really content with what they have? If not, are there opportunities still out there?
One opportunity may be Kansas City Chief, Tamba Hali. The Chiefs are continuing their switch to a 3-4 defense (although they will play some 4-3 as well) and during the transition, Tamba Hali may be an odd man out. Hali, a prototypical 4-3 end, is currently trying to make the switch to outside linebacker in the 3-4 during the Chiefs off-season workouts; however there is no guarantee that the switch will be successful. If it becomes apparent to the Chiefs in the next month or two that Hali does not have the athleticism to make the transition, can he be available via trade? Would Buffalo be interested? They should be.
Hali is only 25 years old. He's 6-3, 275 pounds and has had success getting to the quarterback in his young career. The 3-year pro, registered 8 sacks in his first two season, but struggled some in 2008, only able to take down the quarterback twice all season. Some attributed Hali's drop off in production to the departure of Jared Allen after the 2007 season, but the former first round pick still has a lot of potential. He is also relatively cheap, having two years remaining on his rookie contract ($940,000 in 2009; $1.31 million in 2010).
So what would it take to get Hali? Considering the lack of value he offers Kansas City, I would not imagine that the Chiefs would be in position to ask for the house. Roscoe for Hali straight-up? A mid-round pick in 2010? A third-round pick in 2010 (although I think that's a bit much)? Adding Hali would also allow Buffalo to finally remove Chris Kelsey and his $3 million from the roster. Going under that assumption that Hali is a better talent than Kelsey (which I think is undoubtedly true), his addition would be a net gain for Buffalo - both on the field and financially.
Thoughts?
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I like the Idea i just hope that it could get done so we can keep better talent and rotains on the field for the year
Honestly i think both Penn State Products could benefit from each other
by Parrish11rules on Apr 27, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope so ...
… I think Hali would be a perfect fit in the Bills’ scheme, and a perfect future replacement for Schobel, putting Tamba Hali and Aaron Maybin as the bookends to a nice pass rushing defensive line for at least the next 5 years.
Call up the FO and get this deal done!
by fami1y_first on Apr 27, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sign me up
Anything to get you know who off the roster!
Hali would be an upgrade for sure at LDE. We’d be younger, bigger, and better, while also adding a better pass rushing LE. How could this be a bad thing?
I just wonder what it would take to pry him loose…If it’s a 4th, I’m doing that deal ASAFP. Having a young trio of Maybin, Hali and Ellis is a great way to transition from the crappola we’ve had for years. Denney can leave after the year and Schobel can become a situational player. This is such a win-win scenario.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 27, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’d offer a 2010 4th rounder right now, or Parrish and the extra 6th we have next year.
Do it, OBD.
I've been feeling Buffalo ill.
by ChipShot on Apr 27, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3rd should be no-brainer
I don’t see how the value of a third rounder mildly compares to what Hali would bring to da Bills. Although I don’t see it happening (since when do we pull that kind of stuff), it would seem to be a great fit.
by Moneyballer23 on Apr 27, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We traded for Marcus Stroud a year ago.
We have traded for Anthony Hargrove, too. They make trades when it works. Most NFL teams don’t make a lot of trades.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 28, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yea
you’d think it’d be harder to forget about a person that large.
by Moneyballer23 on Apr 28, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i
really wonder if the Bills will try and make a few more moves. draft picks are the life lines of a small market organization like the Bills but in a must-win 2009 you got to do everything you can now. So guys like Tama Hali or other potential available vets need to be looked at for Buffalo by giving up 2010 picks. See here’s the deal, after the first couple mini camps the coaching staff should have a real good idea how these guys look and where they still need supplementation.
COME ON TRENT be the guy please! it’s all on you once again
MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens
by MARVelous on Apr 27, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would LOVE this move. And not just because of the degree on my wall- I think he’d be a great compliment to the current crop of DE’s.
Think we could get him for Roscoe (with maybe a 6th rounder going one way or the other)?
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 27, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
I think that like all Penn State homers you are drooling over the thought of two Nittany Lions at DE for the Bills.
In all seriousness, Hali is an upgrade over Kelsay and Denney. I would love to have a DE corps of Schobel, Hali, Maybin, Ellis, and Bryan. I could live with that.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 27, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bryan?
Gimme Denney over that dude….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 27, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s 50/50 for me. I see Denney’s value, but think that Bryan still has some upside, were as Denney is maxed out.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 27, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hustle
Denney plays his rear end off every snap. He’s not good but at least he hustles. Sad to say it but at times last season he was our best defender some games (that may be a statement against the rest of the D instead of for Denney I realize, but still…). I’d rather keep Denney over the other two white boys that he backs up. He reminds me of Kiesel for Pitt or Kerney (in hustle not skill).
by willgarr15 on Apr 28, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If drooling over PSU defenders is wrong, I don’t wanna be right…
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 27, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AMEN
!!!
Get this guy now!
if we can somehow get Leroy Hill and Tamba Hali, game, set, match, buffalo!
by NCbillsfan12 on Apr 27, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not that I'm promoting that the bills need to save money
but this would be an upgrade over Kelsay and for a cheaper price. Then going after Hill could be more realistic. Not to mention if we get rid of Roscoe in the process, it would save us about 4 million.
Don't forget to pay the troll toll...
by evdawg419 on Apr 27, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's true...
I didn’t even think about the financial savings of Parrish’s contract if he were packaged in the deal. Package Parrish and a mid-late round pick to KC for Hali and then cut Kelsay:
+ Tamba Hali ($940,000 in 2009) – Parish ($3.0 million in 2009) – Kelsay ($3 millon) = $5.06 million (Net Savings)
I feel like it’s an American Express commerical:
One new 25 year old defensive end = $940,000
Savings from dealing an overpaid 5th wide receiver – $3 million dollars
Savings from cutting an overpriced defensive end = PRICELESS
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 27, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My tears of joy
even more priceless
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 27, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Tell you what K…. If the Bills trade for Hali and cut Kelsay before the season begins, I’ll buy a Chris Kelsay jersey for you, just so you’ll always have something to remember him by!
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 27, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha!
I have enough bad memories to last a lifetime!
Do they even make Kelsay jerseys? Or does he require the customizable option only?!?!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
I quick internet search yeilded no results… so I guess customized jersey it is! …unless, hmmmm, yes!! …brilliant! I’ll ask G if he can use his connections at OBD to get us an authentic Kelsay jersey (since he won’t be needing it anymore when he’s cut)… then you can have the real thing!!
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 28, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
while your at it, get me one of the Hali jerseys while your at it, i want to be one of the first to get one.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
"6'6" monster receiver with a Terradactyl wingspan "....... Keysh67
by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 28, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet a game worn Jersey could be had easy, it will have barely a blemish on it.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 28, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think they have a box of unused Kelsay jerseys just sitting in some storage locker at the Ralph? He’s probably only needed 3 or 4 new ones his whole career since they probably don’t even need to wash them after games….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean Master Card?
Sorry…I love the commercial idea though. Finally a commercial that doesn’t make the Bills look pathetic (visions of LT running over Bills players after a bowl of Chunky soup anyone)
It’s apparent that our coaching staff can’t find a way to use Parrish in the offense so his salary is way to high as a straight PR
by willgarr15 on Apr 28, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
love this idea for a pickup
Youth, athleticism. Just like Maybin and Ellis. Maybin and Hali as situational pass rushers?? Thats a pretty significant upgrade for sure
Guards Brad Butler and Brandon Rodd are decent. - Pete Prisco
Brandon Rodd!! Our best player.
by poz on Apr 27, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hali would be our starting LDE
Not a situational pass rusher….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 27, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in!
Great idea buddy.
Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Apr 27, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You obviously like my posts sugesting the same thing about 3 weeks ago.
Ok I’ll admit that those were mostly me having fun wth the members of Arrowhead Pride. But we wouldn’t have been discussing it if the Chiefs weren’t concidering trading Hali in the first place. Apparently he’s training with the LB’s right now, and it is not going well. I think come training camp, Hali could probably be had for a 4th rounder.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 27, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha, yeah I remember the idea
I especially liked the idea of trading for both Hali and Waters (pre-draft of course). Trading for Hali post-draft still makes sense. Unless he really shows an ability to play LB (which i highly doubt), KC is going to have no use for him. Hopefully KC will look into moving him during mini-camps…
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 27, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that KC will be trying to trade him around the start of the pre-season. Apparently his workouts and drills with the LBs are going horribly. He’s doing decently against the run, but his lack of speed as a OLB is showing, and he is totally inept in pass coverage. He’s just not 3-4 OLB material. My bet is we can go get him for a 4th.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 28, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AND....
If it already didn’t seem like a good idea, check out this pre-draft video of Tamba Hali talking about his relationship with his former Penn State teammate, Aaron Maybin (Hali also talks about how awesome it would be to play opposite Maybin on the same defense as well!)
Former teammates. Good personal and professional relationship. Mentor for a 21-year old NFL rookie. A potential trade is just too good to be true!! …which means it probably is :(
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 27, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man if there was ever a time for us to have an insider in OBD, it’s now. This guy has Bills’ D written all over him.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 28, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
question...
what’s the status of last year’s 3rd round pick Ellis out of VTech…he gonna play this year? I know he got hurt last year…
by tiimbitz4786 on Apr 27, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good question
I don’t know how the coaching staff views him. Hopefully he’s improved enough to take some playing time from Kelsay, but I would be very surprised if he were anything more than a rotational player in 2009. Hopefully he eventually becomes more, but I just haven’t seen that potential out of him yet.
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 27, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the point being...
if he can become a rotational player i don’t see DE as such a great hole that we need to pull the trigger on a trade…
and if we do pull the trigger on a trade…we are essentially in the position of giving up on a 3rd rounder from a year ago…
or we could move/cut kesley…as i’m sure many would like us to do…but if we add another DE…we’d have to subtract somewhere too
by tiimbitz4786 on Apr 27, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you hit on my thought...
In no way would I want to give up on Ellis yet. I view Hali as Kelsay’s replacement. Hali is cheaper (Hali: less than $1 million compared to Kelsay: $3 million), younger (Hali: 25 years old compared to Kelsay: 29 years old) and more productive (Hali: 18 sacks over the last three years compared to Kelsay: 10 sacks over the last three years).
Schobel, Hali, Mabyin, Ellis and Denny would be the 5 DEs on the roster
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 27, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it a lot!
Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!
by keysh67 on Apr 27, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kelsay also only has 17 sacks for his CAREER
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 27, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently he’s up to around 270, in order to handle LDE duties. We shall see how that works out, but he was supposed to be a situational pass rusher last year, so if he can combine the two and give us a threat off the edge from the left side that would be excellent. I’m not counting on much until I see it though.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 27, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Him
and Maybin are good friends… who knows?!
I certainly hope so
by NCbillsfan12 on Apr 27, 2009 10:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anther homer coment
If you need persuading to think acquiring Hali is a good idea, check out his 2005 sack of Troy Smith to seal a victory in Happy Vally. Still gives me chills.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiqWvBfgcKo
All else aside, I like the youth/experience/size/skill-set of Hali and I still think he has 2 more years to fully develop into the player he’ll be known as.
by Moneyballer23 on Apr 27, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i was there...
and yes, it was like a little piece of heaven :)
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 27, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was in the fourth row for that game, right in the back of the endzone where M-Rob ran into the bleachers after the game. I remember not realizing the play was reviewed because we were all screaming and hugging.
Fuzzy memories aside, Tamba was a beast that year.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 28, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's awesome!
I have been in the front row twice – for the Nebraska game in ’02 at Beaver Stadium (BEST football game exerpeicne ever!) and the Orange Bowl in "05 at Dolphines Stadium (BEST trip ever!)
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 28, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
never been
in the first row…too busy drinking. Im thinking that was a mistake on my part looking back
by Moneyballer23 on Apr 28, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been to Happy Valley twice. Saw them destroy Indiana a couple of years ago. The seats were so high I swore that I could see Pittsburgh behind me. The other time was against So. Mississippi. Jimmy Kennedy was in the back field more then the other teams QB.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Apr 28, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
was in the last row of the north endzone in the whole stadium for homecoming last year against Michigan. it was like being on a trampoline when they played zombie nation…craziness
by Moneyballer23 on Apr 28, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate that Nebraska game, because it was two years before my time- so when we had the OSU game in ’05, we had to listen to the seniors tell us how it was nothing compared to Nebraska.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 28, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it really was nothing compared to the Nebraska game
I don’t know why. The Ohio State game meant much more. We were ranked much higher for the Ohio State game. It was a conference game. Still, the energy in that stadium for the Nebraska game was unreal (and that was pre-zombie nation and Paternoville). It was electric. The Ohio State game was awesome, but the Nebraska game was magical. Like I said, can’t explain it.
sorry you missed out :)
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 28, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only drawback is
Kelsay is a captain, and idk if were gonna let him go, jsut because of a leader standpoint
by NCbillsfan12 on Apr 27, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather our leaders lead by what they do on the feild instead of their inability to shut their mouths at the worst possible moments.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 28, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea
As captain Picard would say………….. MAKE IT SO #1
Are we drafting Dino's now?
"6'6" monster receiver with a Terradactyl wingspan "....... Keysh67
by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Apr 27, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DE help
I felt that this could have been addressed in rd#2. Instead of drafting a cb(Byrd) at #42, Everette Brown was sitting there, and he had been mentioned as a possible pick at #11, go figure…..
by acs1971 on Apr 28, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There was obviously a reason 30 teams passed on him...
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 28, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The True question is
what are the odds Buffalo pulls off this great move?
50-1?
25-1
10-1
5-1
???
by NCbillsfan12 on Apr 28, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd go with...
???
It makes sense for so many reasons, but who really knows what goes through their heads over there at OBD
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 28, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or what the Chiefs would actually be looking for....
I really wish the Bills would be bugging the crap out of the Chiefs to make a deal. Getting a young, talented player, who would replace Kelsay and be a long-term option at LDE is just a perfect trade to make….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the fact that he played with Whitner, Puz and is good firends with Maybin also has to be a bonus.
Heck maybe we can wait until he’s released, we’d be the obvious choice for him.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 29, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whitner?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 29, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH!, Ohio State, my bad.
Still, we’re collecting quite a few Penn State guys. I like it.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 29, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, personally i love it!
but i’m biased. Also Bryon Scott is a former Penn Stater
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 29, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok so I just had the wrong safety :-P
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 29, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is true...
who knows if the chiefs will drive a hard bargain or not. I can’t see them having much leverage, but I doubt Pioli is going to get hood winked into making a bad deal…
John I.
by jri111 on Apr 29, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well luckily, Hali had a poor season last year. That should keep his price tag relatively low. I just hope they make him available!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Apr 29, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jarvis Moss who is very similar to Maybin in ability will also likely be available if he’s healthy?
by Fam_1st on Apr 29, 2009 1:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Moss is a decent DE, great speed with good finess moves. But’s I’m worried about his strength a bit, and the fact that he has had a few injuries.
Personaly I’d like to have one power rusher and one speed rusher. Maybin is speed. Schobel is still a power rusher, but he’s on a downward slope. Hali is your prototipical 4-3 DE power rusher, but he has decent amount of speed to boot. He’d be ideal for us if we can get our hands on him.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 29, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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