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OG Eric Wood, the second of the Buffalo Bills' two first-round picks in the 2009 NFL Draft, will likely be an immediate starter at right guard.

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OG Eric Wood, the second of the Buffalo Bills' two first-round picks in the 2009 NFL Draft, will likely be an immediate starter at right guard.

Perhaps the most disappointing area on the 2008 Buffalo Bills team that went 7-9 was its overhyped offensive line.  The unit's lone Pro Bowl performer, OT Jason Peters, held out for the entirety of training camp and the pre-season, and promptly gave up 11.5 sacks when he returned to the lineup.  OG Derrick Dockery regressed terribly from 2007 to 2008, leading to his release just two years into a seven-year commitment.  Two centers, Melvin Fowler and Duke Preston, were unceremoniously shunned as unrestricted free agents.  Neither will return to the club.

Then Peters, clearly the unit's most talented player, was traded.  That left just two holdovers from last year's line still on the roster in any capacity - guard Brad Butler and tackle Langston Walker.  If things go according to plan, neither will play the position they manned last year.

Buffalo signed former Panthers C Geoff Hangartner to man the pivot in early March.  The team then did its best during the 2009 NFL Draft to fortify themselves up the middle and get tougher up front; two guards - Eric Wood and Andy Levitre - were added to the mix in the first two rounds.  Now that fortifications have been added, it's time to take a closer look at Buffalo's revamped offensive line.

Left Tackle: Langston Walker (6'8", 366 pounds)
Entering his third season in Buffalo, Walker spent all of 2008 training camp as well as the first two games of the 2008 season manning the left tackle position.  With Peters out of the picture, Buffalo will now switch Walker over to the left side permanently - and contrary to the beliefs of draft experts confused about the Bills' decision to not draft an OT this past weekend, that's not a bad thing.  (Cue "if you're Joey Porter" punch lines...)

The Bills undoubtedly boasted one of the game's most talented left tackles in the game for the past two years when Peters was on the field.  But he didn't play like it, folks.  Last year's two Super Bowl participants - Pittsburgh (Max Starks) and Arizona (the venerable Mike Gandy) - proved that winning consistently in the NFL is not dependent on having an elite left tackle.  Buffalo will go with Walker at the position not because they believe he's an elite pass protector, but because he's smart, dependable and consistent.  As long as the team has that on the left side, they'll know how to mask some of Walker's shortcomings (most notably handling speed rushers).  Playing Walker here is the right choice, and it doesn't significantly hinder the team's offensive potential.

Left Guard: Andy Levitre (6'2", 306 pounds)
Drafted No. 51 overall last weekend, the former Oregon State product will come into camp with the inside track at the starting left guard position vacated by Dockery.  Though he played tackle in college, Levitre's skill set and measurables make him far better suited for guard duty at the NFL level - and he has a chance to be excellent at that position.  Levitre's best asset is his disposition - he plays through the whistle and finishes plays.  Buffalo didn't have that on the left side of their line last year.  The technical and experience sides will improve with time.  For now, Levitre is already a step in the right direction at the position - and he'll play the left side because he's used to playing there (he played left tackle at OSU).

Center: Geoff Hangartner (6'5", 301 pounds)
Dispel the notion that 'Hangman' will play anywhere other than center this year, folks - Buffalo wants a veteran lining up across from the likes of Vince Wilfork, Jason Freguson and Kris Jenkins this year.  He may not stay at center permanently (he has played guard as well), but he'll definitely start there.  The Bills rated Hangartner as one of their top two available centers this year in free agency, and the price at which they got him was a bargain.  He's a smart technician that isn't a brute, but knows how to handle himself.  Again, buzzwords like "finisher" and "nasty demeanor" come into play with this guy.  If he even approaches competency, he's a significant upgrade at center for the Bills.

Right Guard: Eric Wood (6'4", 304 pounds)
A college center, Wood is used to playing with a right-side mentality; therefore, he'll likely step in as the starting right guard right out of the gate.  He and Levitre are very similar players from an asset standpoint, though Wood is a bit more physically gifted - he's quicker, gets to the second level with greater ease, and is better on the pull (something Levitre will have to get used to playing inside).  Wood was highly thought of by many NFL teams - he's going to be a good pro.  The fact that he's an instant starter made him a very wise first-round investment, even if some folks are painting the pick as a "reach" on Buffalo's behalf.

Right Tackle: Brad Butler (6'7", 315 pounds)
Let's cut right to the chase, folks - playing right guard for the past two seasons, Butler has been Buffalo's best offensive lineman.  There, I said it.  His play has been consistent, his demeanor is something that the Bills tried to match with the three new linemen they've brought in, and though he's a bit injury-prone (he missed three games last season and most of his rookie year), his durability issues are severely overblown.  Butler played right tackle - bookend to current Jets LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson - at Virginia, and at 6'7", he's probably better suited to playing on the outside.  He was, is and will remain Buffalo's best lineman.

Depth
Buffalo will employ a "swing tackle" approach to its offensive line depth, featuring tackles-by-trade that they'll work on the inside in practice.  Veteran Kirk Chambers, once a street free agent, has turned himself into one of Buffalo's most valuable reserve players at any position.  He will be the primary backup at four positions - both tackle spots and both guard spots.  Demetrius Bell, a seventh-round draft pick in 2008 with tremendous upside, will be worked in a similar fashion - and depending on how Wood and/or Levitre progress, Bell has an outside shot to start at right tackle as well (moving Butler back inside).  The team also added veteran Seth McKinney as a free agent in the off-season; the seven-year pro could be the primary backup at center and provides the team extra cushion at all three inside spots.  Buffalo may look into adding another veteran depth player during the summer months, with former Steelers OG Kendall Simmons being a candidate.

2008 starting offensive line
Jason Peters - Derrick Dockery - Melvin Fowler - Brad Butler - Langston Walker

2009 projected starting offensive line
Langston Walker - Andy Levitre - Geoff Hangartner - Eric Wood - Brad Butler

No matter which way you slice it - whether you like or dislike the changes made - there are intriguing talking points when an overhaul this massive occurs.  The discussion is now in your hands, folks - have we improved, or should QB Trent Edwards make some tweaks to his health insurance policy?

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I'll be honest

Our entire offense as of now is BETTER than last year. We have OLine depth that I am very comfortable with, we have amazing RB depth(best in the league), we have a 6’5 fast receiving monster at TE, and we have arguably the best 1-2 WR’S in the league. When I sat here thinking of our starting line up at offense, all I could say was “wow” and it was a GREAT “wow”. The Wagon is very excited!!!

by The Wagon on Apr 28, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and Turk!

Why does everyone keep forget how pathetic he was last year?!?!?!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not that we forget. It’s just that Turk’s importance pales in comparison to Trent’s. It’s really not even close.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 28, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if his importance pales in comparison to trent's but trent will be the one getting the credit and taking the heat...

i think it’s very important for the o-coordinator to put his players in a position to succeed, which includes not expecting your qb to win every game for you.. and last year turk did a bad job at that.. trent started out the year great, and then it seemed like turk tried to game plan around trent too much, and throw too much.. when he should have stepped back and realized he was still only a 2nd year guy who didn’t even have a full year of starts under his belt.. there were many situations where i felt we should have ran more to protect trent (because he was still learning), but i also admit it’s year 3 now and it’s time for trent to really prove that he can take this team to the next level.. i think he is capable.. but if trent’s not playing up to his ability in certain games or were having a great day running the ball, then he needs to realize that and stick w/ the run..

also i think a lot depends on butler/walker working out at the tackle positions, which i think they both will.. but no one can be sure that walker is going to be solid at LT for an entire season… but i feel pretty good about our o-line, and love the strength we have on the inside now.. as long as they can all gell (which i think they will), they could really open up some holes for lynch..

by Shovel51 on Apr 28, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree i am more worried about the LT position than any other on the line (and I’m pretty worried about the O-Line altogether). Can Walker handle protecting Edwards’ blind side? His big knock is not being able to deal with the speed guys on the outside and that could end up looking like the Rolle hit last year except not even knowing its coming.

by LIBi on Apr 28, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think as a whole we have more talented guys (especially from LG to RT), but it's all about that LT position which could blow the hole thing up but then again...

if the OBD comes to the conclusion that walker isn’t the right fit at LT we still have Butler we could try over there, chambers, and bell.. none of which we are certain about either, but all of which can possibly do the job..

by Shovel51 on Apr 28, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Brian’s excellent summary. LT is not that much of a worry. Walker can hold the fort until Bell is ready (which I suspect will be sooner rather than later), and once Bell is ready he will likely be the long-term answer at that position. My only difference with Brian’s evaluation (and it is a small one) is that I suspect Levitre will not be as great as a number of people assume. I’ll be surprised if he turns out to be “excellent” given his limited speed and athletic skills, but he could be good enough to start. If not, he will serve the team as a very high quality back-up (something we have long needed for the interior o-line). All in all, Brian is exactly right that we now have a boatload of o-line talent for the first time in a decade, and that is truly something to celebrate.

One minor point: Hangartner is now 315 lbs., not 301.

by Macktruck on Apr 28, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Levitre was by most accounts the best guard available in the draft. So time will tell, but I think the ceiling is pretty high based on what I have read.

In addition, I don’t agree that we have a “boatload” of talent. For Pete’s sake, we don’t even have a premium left tackle! We are all assuming Bell will eventually make it there, but he has some hurdles, like starting a game, ahead of him.

Don’t get me wrong, I like with OBD has done (minus not re-signing Peters) but to annoint this as the most talented group of offensive lineman in ten years? That’s a strech to say the least.

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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 28, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said that it was the most talented group of o-lineman in ten years. I said that the Bills have lots of talent to provide depth on the o-line. In the past we have had some capable starters but no one to replace them when they went on IR early in the season. That would lead to major problems for the line. Now we have lots of quality depth so that when the inevitable injuries occur, the team will be ok.

Some draft experts ranked Levitre as either the best guard available or close to the best, but a number of others had him ranked much lower. However, it was an unusually weak draft class at that position. In my opinion, there were at least five centers who will make better interior linemen than any of the guards (Mack, Wood, Unger, Luigs and Caldwell).

by Macktruck on Apr 29, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did improve over Fairchild, and with another year under his belt, and some better personnel to work with, he SHOULD improve some more.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 28, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that everyone forgets that Turk was a rookie Co-ordinator. I think that his playcalling will get better this year, and so should Trent. We should be a lot better this year on offence.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 28, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cuz

TRENT WAS horrendous versus 8 man zone coverages, and had 8 secs to throw the ball. That’s not Turk’s fault

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by MARVelous on Apr 28, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn’t Turk have devised ways to succeed against 7/8 man drops though? I agree Trent was terrible and can’t play that passive again this year, but Turk also has to really improve and call a better game, especially involving the run game.

~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

but Trent was awful for most the 2nd half except when we played the lowly Chiefs. He never threw the ball downfield. I mean he holds the ball way too long. He just does. He’s so friggn conservative. Now maybe that’s coming from Turk, maybe it’s in Trent’s head, but either way, yeah Turk could have run the ball more, but this is a passing league, and to score you got to pass it effectively. That’s why teams never blitzed. They didn’t have to

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by MARVelous on Apr 28, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's a double edged sword, if were not running the ball often and effectively then the safetys aren't going to come up in the box, preventing the deep ball..

like jauron said in that draft recap conference.. if you run the ball effectively it’s easier to throw it, and if you throw it effectively it’s easier to run it.. it all goes hand in hand

by Shovel51 on Apr 28, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I agree

Trent being such a passive QB over the last 2-3 months of the season, totally unwilling to throw it downfield unless he absolutely had to, is part of the reason I am not convinced he is the guy. I was just saying Turk needs to do more to help him though.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know what will help get rid of the 8 man zones?

running the ball down the defense’s throat…….

and then calling play action passes off of that……

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by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 28, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

would be nice if only we could count on Schonert to actually do that….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe he felt he couldnt with the offensive line from last year......

maybe it’s his pride…….I guess we’ll find out this year.

Godspeed Nick - RIP - 1986-2009

by norcaliangelsfan on Apr 28, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well we were 14th in ypc at 4.2, so it’s not like we were terrible at running the football. Schonert just refused to stick to it. We actually finished 13th in total rushing attempts. It’s just that we were never consistent, game to game, running the ball.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is one knock against Turk that is truly justified...

the lack of play action passes in the Bills offense is irritating.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 30, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TRENT WAS horrendous versus 8 man zone coverages, and had 8 secs to throw the ball. That’s not Turk’s fault

It is significantly Turk’s fault when it’s clear the pre-game prep had absolutely no relevance to the defenses Trent saw in the games against those 3-4 teams.

by thefourwinds on Apr 28, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless those teams did something totally different against the Bills than they did before...

You plan for a game based on a team’s tendencies. Teams can and do change those over the course of the year. If they show up doing something they haven’t done during any other game of the year… it’s on Trent and Turk to make in-game adjustments. They are pretty green but think about the Cleveland game. Trent started awful. The Browns dropped back into 8 man coverages. Even with the three INTs we had a chance to win it at the end of that game.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 30, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Couldn’t agree with you more K. I’ve always believed that the right OC can move any offense down the field. Everyone pegged Kurt Warner as a pylon that would get sacked every time he dropped back after his lack of success the previous couple seasons before ‘08. So they gave him quick drops and short routes to keep the pressure off (greatly helped by a world-class receiving corps, but you get my point). Football is a chess match, you just have to use your talent and the defense’s weaknesses to your advantage.

by willgarr15 on Apr 28, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a snippet

to further comment on the OL from Michael Lombardi at the Post.

Who will play left tackle for the Bills?

Right now, I’m told the Bills will move Langston Walker to left tackle and have an open competition at the right tackle spot. They could leave Walker at right tackle and see if Kirk Chambers can man the spot, but that’s been tried before and netted little results. The Bills’ offensive line will be a work in progress for the next two months as training camp nears. When they passed on Michael Oher, they passed on the last left tackle candidate in the draft. This won’t be a bad move as long as Aaron Maybin becomes the rusher they hope he can be.

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by MARVelous on Apr 28, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They could leave Walker at right tackle and see if Kirk Chambers can man the spot, but that’s been tried before and netted little results.

I thought he might be wrong on Chambers here, but he did allow 2 sacks to Jarvis Green in the finale, I believe….He did better against Denver, but that was the worst D in football with no pass rushers.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good job by Lombardi...

not a knee-jerk reaction to passing on the LT.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 30, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's Hard to Say We've Improved the O-Line...

but this rework needed to happen. It has better long term potential and if the coaches can determine it’s strengths over the next few 4 months, then we should be able to get things done while they improve. The athletes are there. I wish Langston would get in better shape. I can’t believe he wouldn’t be a better player if he lost 30+ pounds. That’s probably not going to happen. He’s a decent player that could probably become a great player, but I get the sense he’s “content”. I like Butler at tackle and the middle seems better, but let’s be honest, that’s a lot of question marks with rookies. I like what they’re doing.

by MrFurious1 on Apr 28, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm really not too worried w/ wood, levitre i've heard good things about but he just looks a little sloppy (physically, doesnt look like a punisher), and not real athletic, but i think he wil be a better guard than he was a tackle

but don’t forget walker isn’t the only guy that we can put over at LT, we could try butler over there and leave walker at RT, chambers and bell are also options.. so it’s not all or nothing w/ walker

by Shovel51 on Apr 28, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its different

I think it will be more stable and more consistant. I think it is also deeper than last year, but Im not convinced that its all that much ‘better’. At least not to start. Some of the newbs may pan out and be great, but I will say that the direction it needs to go is on track.

by Djlarose on Apr 28, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah i agree.. it's going to be intresting.. i love the mentality our guys up front have now.. do you think that having shorter guys up front will benefit trent's ability to view the field?? or is that a mute point?

something that i’ve thought about, and i don’t even know if it’s worth mentioning, but I wonder if having guys a little more nasty, athletic, and a tad smaller will help trent being able to see down the field.. because i mean w/ butler on the outside now at 6’7", and no dockery 6’6, and now adding wood who is 6’3", and levitre who is 6’2, and handgartner who is 6’4 do you think that this should benefit trent as far as his view down the field?? just want to know what others think.. or is it a mute point?

by Shovel51 on Apr 28, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not a competely mute point

I mean, trent is 6’4 and while his guys up front are bent at the knees and hips, having guys a little shorter can’t hurt in that regard…another thing to think about is guys with a lower center of gravity getting leverage and the push up front. For at least six years, running up the middle for our Bills has been a lost cause. But with some nasty guys, who will get down and dirty at the point of attack, and basically all starting together, I think the Bills staff has said, these guys are all a good fit, and we are building thorugh the draft.
And as a side note, for those who think Waler will want more money to play LT, I think not, and I thnk all these guys should be able to play and bond together as teammates, which is above all very, very important. I am likeing the draft more and more every day. The Bills are better, and I can’t say the same for the other teams in the AFC East…not afraid of Sanchez…not afraid of th rookie CBs, not too much in the FA front for anyone but the Jets…but its still the Jets, and I think we just caught up in terms of talent in the right places to defend and attack our division opponents. Strong interior line to take care of oversized 3-4 DTs and a plethera of DBs to combat the Pats passing attack, exciting pass rusher, field stretching TE….Terrell Owens and a need to get a head in points and force teams to pass it on us…Go Bills!

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by killascript on Apr 28, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post Brian!

I absolutely love the “nasty” demeanor that our front now has, it was the single biggest problem that we had last year. We had the care bears version of an offensive line going up against arguably one of the toughest set of Nose Tackles in the league.

Our centers were so lousy that it made the whole middle soft & mushy. When you play guys like Wilfork, Jenkins & Ferguson 6 times a year, that’s 2/3s of your season! OBD were extremely smart in fixing this huge problem. I really like our new front three even though our two guards are rookies and playing new positions. Huge upgrade from last year!

I love Butler at right Tackle, he is a mauler & a road grater in the run game and I fell that he will be able to be left on an island so that we can use Derek Fine more on the left side to help in the blocking. Walker did a fine job early last season, he is smart and a great team player. Obviously he might struggle against speed rushers but again, we play against 3-4s the majority of our games. I think he can handle the 3-4 DEs quite well and our blocking schemes with either Fine, Lynch, Jackson & Rhodes can handle the OLBs – I am not that worried. And Brian, you said it perfectly! Peters did not play well last year at all so I don’t expect much of a drop this year.

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by keysh67 on Apr 28, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Post

I really love this line, sans Walker at LT.

However, I beleive it is a line built for next season, not necessarily one that will dominate this year. Our rookie guards have GREAT potential and guards tend to be low-risk picks in the NFL, so it is fair to expect these guys to play well and turn into above average to pro bowl typ players in the near future. You have to give these guys some breaks though, they are rookies.

I think Hangartner is a guy coming into his own, I think we will look back on this signing in a couple of years and go, man, they finally got one right.

I will love to see Butler play RT for a season to evaluate him. He has played very well at guard, but that does not necessarily translate. At the very least, he will be a great backup at tackle for years to come because of this opportunity. If he cannont handle it we have Walker, who has played very well there for the last couple of seasons and Bell to step in next year.

Left Tackle: I hope we can be in agreement here. Walker is not a prototypical “Left Tackle”, he just doesn’t fit the mold, but as you (and I) have discussed, his shortcomings can be overcome by blocking schemes. I think his lack of a “mean streak” will ultimately be his demise.

I am concerned a little about depth. I really would have liked to have seen Buffalo pick up there BEST AVAILABLE TACKLE on their board in the 6th/7th for the future. Instead of wasting their pick. STOP TRYING to convince me that these CB’s were necessary.

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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 28, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Instead of wasting their pick. STOP TRYING to convince me that these CB’s were necessary.

If we had drafted Joel Bell in the seventh round and signed Ellis Lankster as a free agent, would you be more satisfied?

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 28, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right on Brian

One of the reasons I didn’t get too crazy about it is because I like to wait till the UFAs sign. To me they are just as important as a 7th rounder.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 28, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, a fact that’s getting overlooked:

Buffalo knew that they wanted to get a late-round/FA OT prospect. But if they had Lankster graded out higher, you take him – that’s their philosophy, but it’s also a strategy.

Look at it from Bell’s perspective – let’s say the Bills and the Giants offered him contracts as a UFA. Why on earth would he sign with the Giants when he and his agent know that the Bills just traded Jason Peters and didn’t draft an OT? Meanwhile, had they taken Bell in the seventh and offered a UFA deal to Lankster, he looks at Buffalo and says “they have a million cornerbacks, I’m going somewhere else”.

Buffalo got the higher-graded player on their board and ended up with the developmental prospect anyways. That’s why you stick to your board – you get the best players you can, when you can get them, regardless of need.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 28, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good point

though they’d be making some assumptions there that could have obviously not worked out too well….

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by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Other teams need tackles too

See my post below… We should have guaranteed his rights.

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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 28, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t want to get into this much further because this isn’t where the discussion was supposed to go. My bad for even dredging up the same argument again…

I’ll just say this: I’m glad they did it the way they did it. They got both guys. Let’s move on.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 28, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Won't carry it much farther

But I am not arguing whether I like the guys or not. To me it comes down to a philosophical issue. Let’s say another team drafted Joel Bell late in the 7th, then we wouldn’t have ended up with him. It has nothing to do with whether I liked the players or not. I will move on – promise!

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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 28, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Point

We didn’t take a tackle in the draft. I can’t beleive that they couldn’t find one that sparked their interest. Also, if they liked Joel Bell than they shouldn’t have taken the chance he would sign witht them as a rookie FA. They should have guaranteed his rights in took him in the 7th. If they lost out on Lankster, oh well, chances are he won’t make the team and we don’t need compeition/depth at that position. We NEED competition/depth at the tackle spot. I will hold off on this to see what moves we make in the next couple of weeks, but that is my rationale for being upset with drafting two cornerbacks so late.

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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 28, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We NEED competition/depth at the tackle spot

well I think we have it – Butler, Walker, Chambers, Bell, Levitre (in a pinch) and the new Bell

thats 6 tackles – you want more?

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by J2 on Apr 28, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are forgetting

Jon Scott. Seven tackles in Camp is quite enough.

Geronimo

by Geronimo on Apr 28, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

d’oh

I did forget him – but 7 tackles is plenty.

The only reason we got bashed for the draft is not drafting that LT – which I think we have serviceable players that can fill those shoes. Its not like we’re paper thin at the position – we have talent, competition and bodies. let’s see who wins

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by J2 on Apr 28, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not enough young talent

We have fairly evaluated Butler, Walker, and Chambers. None of those guys are going to be future LT’s in this league, same for Levitre.

The ONLY LT prospect we have on the roster right now is Bell. That is my argument, we need another potential prospect that could fill our void in the future, in the scenario that Bell doesn’t work out. I think we all can agree at the very least that Walker is a stop-gap measure. I don’t think anyone is willing to annoint Bell as the definitive answer at left tackle. So where does that leave us with options?

I forget what analyst I was listening to the other day, maybe Adam Schein and he made in interesting comment. He said that offensive lineman seldolm are let go by their respective teams during their 2nd contract. He said this is why you have to draft your lineman well, because seldolm do you get a chance to get quality OL in free agency and if they are available, you tend to have to overpay for them (Dockery, Walker).

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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 28, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed – but we have young talent.

We have guys that we are molding and guys that can be stop gap solution.

Should we snub other players ranked higher just because of a depth need? or a developmental need?

what if Lankster turns out to be winfield like?

I think they did fine – i’m glad they passed on Oher at 11 or beaty at 28. Why would we hamstring other positions just to get a 4th or 5th best need?

or in the later rounds 6 & 7 – at that point you stick to your board – you have to take the highest rated player.

plus we got a undrafted FA – wasn’t peters the same?

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by J2 on Apr 28, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ad nauseum

OK. I will agree to disagree with everyone on this issue.

Basically I don’t see how Lankster will truly have the opportunity to shine due to being buried under other guys and if the Bills thought Joel Bell would possibly fill our need at LT in the future, than he should have been drafted.

If you beleive you have a possible LT of the future you don’t let him go, you lock him in with a draft pick.

Also , ask yourself – How many CB’s can we carry on the roster/practice squad?

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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 28, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they knew he would go undrafted and had already laid the groundwork for the free agent deal??? I know you’ll say, how would they know he would go undrafted? I probably agree, but we don’t know how plugged in each team is to one another….

~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know you’ll say, how would they know he would go undrafted?

You said it, my point exactly.

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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 28, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think both sides kind of knew him going undrafted was a strong possibility

"We had a plan laid out and Buffalo was the main one," Bell said. "They’d lost their left tackle (Jason Peters went to Philadelphia) and we felt there was good room for me to compete for playing time so that’s the direction we’re going."

Link

~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“I don’t think anyone is willing to annoint Bell as the definitive answer at left tackle. So where does that leave us with options?”

Well, no one on this blog may be willing to do that, but what if the coaching staff, who has been observing him closely for a year now, believes that he is the definitive answer? If they didn’t believe that they would have drafted Oher or Loadholt, etc. The fact that they did not show the slightest interest in drafting an OT last weekend — not even in the lower rounds — speaks volumes about the confidence they have in Bell. And they are the ones who count — i.e., Jauron, Schonert and Kugler — not those of us who sit pounding away at our keyboards.

They could be wrong, of course. Bell may be a big disappointment when he actually takes the field. My point is only that, as best I read them, the folks at OBD
currently think this guy is their long-term answer at LT.

by Macktruck on Apr 28, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Assuming Butler has the quickness to move around on the outside, I think he’ll be better there. His frame is sure better suited for the tackle position, so I think he has a shot to be a very good RT now. I disagree that his injury issues are overblown though. If the team was concerned about a prospect like Marcus Freeman’s injury past, they must really be concerned about their new starting RT’s injury history….Luckily, I think Butler would be most easily replaced if he gets hurt with Chambers (or Bell).

I just hope the interior rooks are ready to go. We need them to be more than ready to play come September. They have to be ready to play well or we’re going to struggle in there.

Walker is my biggest concern, outside of Trent/Turk, going into the summer. I just think he’s going to get abused by speed rushers like Joey Porter, Dwight Freeney, Gaines Adams, John Abraham and bigger, faster players like Mario Williams, Adalius Thomas, and Julius Peppers. I hope he’s up to the challenge, we can’t afford to have him getting beat by these guys, and neither can Trent’s health.

I think you’re right in that we may look to add veteran depth inside, even though we won’t be dressing 9 OL on game days. In that scenario, I think Bell wouldn’t dress, which is fine if he isn’t ready….

~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One of two things needs to happen...

Walker needs to get some help blocking that list of guys you mentioned or Trent needs to get better at getting the ball out of his hands. I think he is already well on his way to doing that well, at least he is light years ahead of Losman.

Time will tell.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 30, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only the Bills coaches know what their plan is and how confident they are in it. But I think having a youthful, nasty OL is great because the huge massive OL we had last year, didn’t produce and money was such a big issue. You had Dockery who was fat and happy and Peters who was fat and unhappy. Now we got fat, nasty, and youthful and no one is making huge money on the OL. I think it’s your perfect blue collar, nose to the grindstone unit that won’t give a damn about getting praise as long as the team wins. No one has any contract issues unresolved which is such a relief.

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by MARVelous on Apr 28, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well we haven't signed the rookies yet.

:-)

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 30, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great changes!!!

I think a lot of Peters lack of production (allowing 11.5 sacks) had a little to do with the incompetence of Dockery. I am not saying Peters played to his potential, because he didn’t come close. What I am saying is that Walker is not better then Peters, but Walker and LeVitre is better then Peters and Dockery. As we all know, Fowler and Preston might have been the worst Centers in the league… they were just brutal. I love Wood and Butler on the right side. Our new O-line allows us to run the ball in short yardage to either the left or right side.

PLEASE NOTE: I have been saying this ever since the offseason started, the extra preseason game will greatly help our O-line gel. Even if it is 3 or 4 more Offensive series, it will be great for our team.

by hilliarddavid on Apr 28, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The preseason game should help

though I bet we still hear some excuses!

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by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but I hate excuses

I think the extra game film will really help the rookies. As we all know, chemistry is huge when it comes to the O-line. When it comes to D-line stunts and the O-line handing off blocks etc. this extra game is SOOOO huge.

by hilliarddavid on Apr 28, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I just don’t want to hear Jauron right before the Pats game saying he wishes he had more time again.

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by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO kidding...

that would get me so mad. If he feels they need time, he should give them an extra series or two per game.

by hilliarddavid on Apr 28, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or have more than one or two days with 2 practices during training camp and the preseason. Can’t have it as Club Marv as we’ve learned with this team! This team needs to get as much work and practice as possible this offseason because a fast start will be a necessity based on the schedule….

~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How I feel

By FAR the biggest disappointment of last year—for me anyway—was the play of the O-Line. Peters was average at best when he returned. For mysterious reasons I will never understand, you can find better guards at Buckingham Castle than what Dock showed lat year. Our center play was uninspired to say the least. Butler and Langston were OK, although I think Butler is best suited to RT.

As a former O-Lineman I postulate that a team’s identity is largely forged by it’s O-Line.

We will have five new starters—I am thrilled with what OBD did with Hang/Wood and LeVitre and delighted that Peters and his infectious lousy attitude is gone. But, unlike a lot of spots, it’s gonna take some time for our 5 guys to jell.

You know what I want? I want people to say—-“I do NOT want to play those guys…they will flat out punch you in the nose.” That’s what I want. Wod and LeVitre are like that it strikes me. Butler is the nicest, most softspoken guy in the world off the field but flunked Anger Management 101 on it. I LOVE that!!!

Outside of Trent—how we come together here represents the single most imp[ortant factor in how 2009 will go. I am optimistic.

Geronimo

by Geronimo on Apr 28, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re

Offense is what is going to put this team competitive again so the question marks on the OL and Trent are huge “ifs.” but they had to re-tool the OlL. Way too much $ invested for them to be so disgruntled and underperform so terribly. That said, I’m confident the coaching staff can get these guys ready…..I’m still way more concerned with Trent’s abilities to command an offense and lead a high potent attack. These guys better get to work asap….there is a ton of work to do

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by MARVelous on Apr 28, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a former O-Lineman I postulate that a team’s identity is largely forged by it’s O-Line.

Absolutely, could not agree more. Getting big, nasty guys in the trench can make up for a lot of other shortcomings. And with a backfield of Marshawn and Freddie (a somewhat Thunder/Lightning pairing), it’s even better- the running of Marshawn compliments a tough line, and Freddie can exploit hesitation from players that have been getting run over all game.

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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 28, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peters and his infectious lousy attitude

Do you think this may partly explain Dock’s falloff from 2007 to 2008?

by thefourwinds on Apr 28, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or that he played a year for half of his value and OBD didn’t make him a fair contract offer last year?

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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 28, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, read my post again. I’m asking if G chose the word “infectious” for a reason, as in did Peters’ attitude influence DOCK’s poor play.

by thefourwinds on Apr 28, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“The Bills rated Hangartner as one of their top two available centers this year in free agency, and the price at which they got him was a bargain.”

What was it? I don’t remember it being announced, and it doesn’t pop up in Google.

by Pistol on Apr 28, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Somewhere around 4 years $9M

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by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah – 4 years, $9.6 million in base salaries. Probably didn’t get more than ~$5M in bonuses.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 28, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like

that….no one on our OL is making more than $5 mill per season (Walker) and the rest all will have nice but not bloated salaries. Hopefully they develop continuity on the field and off of it. If they do that, it has all the makings of a New England type Offensive Line that is smart, tough and consistent

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by MARVelous on Apr 28, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a good deal regardless of the bonuses.

~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love Hangartner

He will be one of the best Centers in the league this year!

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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 28, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A big switch

I like the idea of testing Butler at LT — just test him there. Asking Walker, at 370Ibs. (and 6’8") to deal with the speed/quick rushers seems troubling. Butler only played RT in Virginia, but that was because of the Brick. Walker seems like the ideal RT — big and bit slow (good footwork for a 370 pounder, but still a 370 pounder) and engages a little slower with his height. Butler seems a lot quicker. As Brian says, Butler was the best OL last year, and he is very smart. He just might have the skills to be a LT. I much more like that set up — Butler, Levitre, Hangartner, Wood, Walker.

by labill on Apr 28, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thats what a few of us have been saying (not on rumblings)

butler – levitre, hangartner, wood – walker

just not sure on butler as LT – ron from nm?

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by J2 on Apr 28, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a good thought and one I hope the team looks into.

I’m not sure Butler has the feet to play out at LT either. He seems rather slow footed as well….

~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Butler not a LT prospect

See Scout’s take:
Butler solidified the starting right guard position in his second year in the league. He is a huge body with average athleticism. He has played both guard and tackle along the offensive line and possesses the intelligence, instincts and technique to be effective as both a run and pass-blocker. He is a tough competitor who brings attitude to Buffalo’s offensive line. He isn’t very quick or agile in space and is most effective in a limited area. He needs to engage defenders early in the play to stay connected. Butler isn’t great to reset and recover once he loses leverage, but works to finish his blocks. He isn’t an explosive or powerful blocker, but understands angles and proper hand use to gain leverage. He can slam and chip to the second level, but has a tough time hitting his target in space. He can pinball defenders in a confined area, but needs added weight and strength to become a more complete blocker. With added size Butler, should continue to develop his overall game as an offensive lineman.

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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 28, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He possesses the same traits that I feel are important in Walker, though.

He is intelligent and would at least be consistent over there. There’s not a spot in the game where you would go “What the heck did he do that for?” with Butler. The reason I like Walker at LT better than Butler is the injury concern. It’s better for me to put Chambers at RT for a couple games than have him step in at LT.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 30, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is there another site other than Rumblings!?@*&$ Couldn’t be very good. I have been spending all my time here for Bills news!

by labill on Apr 28, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's really impossible to say what to make of this OL

and that’s not necessarily a bad thing

A lot of questions…

Can Butler play RT?
Can the Rooks contribute immediately?
Is hang really any good?
Can L. Walker play LT?

I thnk the answer in each case weighs in our favor….and to boot we have options and depth so i’m not terribly worried…

by tiimbitz4786 on Apr 28, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It is impossible to decipher all these moves, with so many imponderables, and here's another one: the O-line coach

Clearly Kugler didn’t like what he had to work with last year. I can’t believe the Bills would overhaul their line so dramatically if he did.
Now, presumably, Kugler has the tools to fashion a decent unit in any way he likes. He can switch the big guy from RT to LT, or leave him alone. He can promote Chambers or Bell to fill the tackle or guard position. He can put Hangartner at center or move him to guard and stick the rook in there. The possibilities here are almost endless.
Love to read more on Kugler’s background and some conjecture on what he wants from his guys, and what he’s likely to do with them this year. I am excited about this line.

by Defensewinsgames on Apr 28, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hangman

Is that your nickname for him?

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by BillsNYC on Apr 28, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think this new line is a significant improvement over last year's

And thats with Langstan at LT. I’ll admit he’s not the ideal fit at LT, but he’s not any worst than the Cards’ Mike Gandy, and if he was good enough to get to the SB, then we should be ok with Walker for now.

The inside of our line looks fantastic to me, even if we have 2 rookies. We’re going to be nasty up front this year and I love it. This is the line that we want if we want to be a power running team, and thats what we should be in 2009.

What I’m really looking forward to is the late2009, early 2010 line:

Bell – Levitre – Hangartner – Wood – Butler.

If Bell is as good as OBD thinks he is, then we’re going to be better off then when we had Peters.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 28, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My thought exactly CBF...

I see the line as:
2009 – LT – Wallker : LG – Levitre : C – Hangman : RG – Wood : RT – Butler
I think this will be done in order to allow Bell to learn the LT position and that way next year the line only has one positional change.
2010 – LT- Bell : LG – Levitre : C – Hangman : RG – Wood : RT – Butler
or
2010 – LT- Bell : LG – Levitre : C – Wood : RG – Butler : RT – Walker
Either way, we have the type of OL we have needed for years. I am very happy with this draft and this offseason (I am still not used to TO being a Bill, probably won’t be until the season starts or Madden comes out, we’re gonna be soooo sick in Madden!)
One more thought, our two rookie interior linemen are named “Wood and Levitre” (childish googles, I can see the commercial already)

by NorCal BillsFan on Apr 28, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll admit he’s not the ideal fit at LT, but he’s not any worst than the Cards’ Mike Gandy

More importantly, he’s not gonna get abused any worse than a rookie would have.

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by thatguy34 on Apr 28, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The biggest problem is that, to no fault of our own, we’re comparing Walker to Peters. Peters he is not, but Walker is a very capable tackle. He wont be steller, but he wont screw up much either.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 29, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have absolutely no problem with the projected OL for 2009

I think Walker is being severely underrated by some folks on this site. I’m not saying he is better than Peters athletically, but he is technically sound and he’s strong enough to man that spot. He is also now our highest paid OL – and while I agree that the amount of pay should never be an argument for player A to start over player B etc – just remember that one of the reasons why Peters started grumbling in the first place was b/c he wasn’t the highest paid OL on this own team while he was playing a premium position.

I like the interior of our line a lot! I’m expecting improvement in our run game. And I especially like the fact that the rookies won’t have to play next to each other – could be blind leading the blind in some instances. Overall, I like the demeanor this line will have – tough, nasty, and lunchpail type guys. We lacked that with Dockery last year. And Peters was too busy thinking about his paycheck which explains his 11.5 sacks given up (but don’t tell him that).

I’m not expecting any one of these OL to play like studs, but as a unit I think they will be very good, and underrated. As long as they keep Edwards upright, he’ll have the choice of throwing to either Owens, Evans, Reed, Nelson (can’t believe he was available in the 4th!) and Parrish. Or of course, Lynch/Jackson/Rhodes will grind it out. This looks like a very balanced offense on paper. Hopefully it materializes into that in practice.

by Renegade23 on Apr 28, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I LOOOOOVE how our Oline will look this year run game wise

This will be a no nonensense punch you in the mouth and insult your mama type of group this year I think. And that cannot be discounted at all when you consider the number of 3-4 Ds we face this upcoming season. We really need some guys with attitude to get into the dline and up into the linebackers to allow Fred and ML to get some running room and give Trent a chance for PA.

Regarding Walker at LT, yeah I am concerned somewhat do to his size, if he could trim 20-30 pounds I think he goes from serviceable to good at that spot with the increased speed due to decreased weight. As a person trying to shed about 80 pounds himself I can tell you from experience that with that weight gone you do get quicker, and if he can cut down on his fire out times by a few fractions of a second, that can make a huge difference for this team.

As it stands, I believe we will see the Bills go heavily into a 2 TE arrangement with Fine working off the left side to help protect Walker’s lack of elite foot speed at that position. With Nelson able to split the seam, Evans with the wheels and Owen’s ability to work the middle of the field, this is not a bad idea.

If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Apr 28, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Even one TE sets with Fine on the left side...

and Josh Reed in the slot works for me.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 30, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something else for you guys to consider while pondering the current and future states of our offensive line.

Protecting Buffalo from the fact that they did not reach for an OT to start at LT this year are two things:

A) The anticipated continued development of Demetrius Bell.
B) A 2010 draft class that is once again top-heavy with excellent OT talent.

Seriously, take a look at this list. Any or all of these guys could be Top 10 picks next year. (No, I’m not hoping we have a Top 10 pick next year!)

Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
Ciron Black, OT, LSU

Considering, again, the fact that we will survive with Langston on the left side, have a developmental prospect (or two, if you’re counting Joel Bell) at the position, and the strength of next year’s class, the Bills were probably smart for not reaching on a guy like Britton. Not that most of you are upset with that decision at the top of the draft…

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 28, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

First Reasonable Argument

This is a VERY rationale argument for not selecting a prospect this year. The other one being OBD did not feel there were ANY possible future left tackles available past Andre Smith.

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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 28, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

you can add guys like

Adam Ulatoski Texas
Sam Young Notre Dame

as potential first rounders as well.

I hope we don’t have to pick a LT high next year though.

~K
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by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Credit to OBD

They stuck to their guns this year and did not select Oher. Only time will tell if that was the right decision. People are all over their case about that now, but if they thought he was incapable of manning LT, then they made the right decision, if not popular. Same holds true for next year. You have to select a guy you are comfortable with in the first round.

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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 28, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But one of those 6 guys will be available when we pick at #32.....

:-)

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 30, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Walker

Did Walker play any LT in Oakland?

by labill on Apr 28, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Playing in Oakland is subjective.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Apr 28, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the answer is no

I beleive he actually played inside (guard) for his first year, but I could be wrong (I usually am).

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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 28, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bell

Hey Brian… I think you need to write a pice on Demetrius Bell! I am getting tired of us speculating on this guys future. Hell, none of us have really seen him play, yet we all seem to hold out hope that this 7th round pick is going to develop into the next Jason Peters (the good one, not Mr. Hyde). I have even bought into this warm fuzzy feeling about him. I have no rationale, it kind of scares me.

"It's that time of the year where all teams are involved in making some, to a degree, painful decisions." - Marv Levy

by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 28, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have no expectations for Bell. I hope he can develop into a contributor, but expecting him to be our stud LT is kind of crazy.

Nobody has any idea what this kid can do, he’s never played a single down of NFL football. I prefer to keep my expectations for him very low because it’s still a long shot he’ll ever be a contributor for us.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When he does start

It looks like this kid will be extremely athletic. The video show how raw he was when we drafted him but it also shows how much of an athletic specimen he was also and to top it off he sounds like a great kid!

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by keysh67 on Apr 28, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL – I’ll tell you right now that the only things I’ve heard about Bell are that he’s added a significant amount of strength to his upper body (no, this does not necessarily mean weight, though he’s added some of that, too – I think he’s up to 320), and he busted his ass in practice every day last year. Who knows how good he can be? I can tell you, however, that the coaches love him. There really isn’t much more to say than that. Five pre-season games will help him. I hope they play him a lot.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 28, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I am holding out hope he is our next great LT. A man can hope can’t he!?!?!? C’mon Kurupt buy into the group hug! Warm fuzzy stickers all around!

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by Jason from OH-IO on Apr 28, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t buy into things until I see at least a sign! I want to see him in reg. season action first!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Apr 28, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/4/18/843521/draftguys-tv-profile-demetrius

Your ability to control the LOS is directly linked to your ability to win football games!
FEED the BEAST!

by keysh67 on Apr 28, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s kind of hard to put a scouting report out on a guy that we literally have nothing on past his 2 years in college.

I think that article might be a lot easier to do in week 2 of the preseason.

by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 29, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Center or LT

I live in Denver so it’s great to find BuffaloRumblings – it has quickly become my favorite sports site, and it is the AXE when it comes to knowing what’s going on with the Bills. Great job, everyone, thanks!
It’s driving me a little nuts that so many people seem fixated over the fact that the Bills did not draft an LT. The glaring need from last year was at Center, and this was even after they traded Peters.
A couple of quick takes:
1) With the NT’s the Bills face six times/year in the AFC East I think you could say failure of our centers is the primary reason the Bills went 0-6 in the East. Improve that position and I think they may have netted as many as 3 more wins. Depending on who those wins came against, that could have been enough to win the division.
2) The mushy play at center had to have negatively affected the rest of the line.
3) Perhaps the Bills really are sold on Walker at LT. Is that far-fetched? Why reach for a player for a position that is already in decent shape – at least for the next year.
4) Great teams are built through the draft; and that is usually by taking the best available player, and by stocking up in the second & third rounds. The Bills were half-way there this year, but drafting like NE takes years of preparation to be in that position.
5) My bottom line is this: fix the rupture at center and don’t fixate on having lost an overrated LT. Draft wisely, (read, best available), and draft often.
I do not think there is much of a gap at all between the top and bottom of this division. Improving wins by 3 or 4 games is very realistic for the 2009 Bills.

by DerryDan on Apr 28, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The guys on the Buffalo radio stations are killing the Bills.

Not for the O Line, though. Everybody seems to agree that the OL was bad and, whether you approve of the trading of Peters or not, this OL as a whole is better than last year’s as a whole. I think they will be adequate and Trent won’t need to up his health insurance. It should be high anyways.

The line will not be the reason this team is not successful. This line is adequate enough to get Lynch/Jackson/Rhodes holes to get 4 yards a carry. This line is adequate enough to give Trent his three seconds. Maybe not more than that but if Turk and Trent do what they are supposed to the ball should be gone. Confident isn’t the right word but I am not terrified.

Nice post Brian.

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by MattRichWarren on Apr 30, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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