ESPN's Graham: Peters trade could fetch first, third-round picks
by Brian Galliford on Apr 3, 2009 7:05 PM EDT
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PrintA few weeks back, ESPN.com's Tim Graham raised a few eyebrows when he stated his belief that the Buffalo Bills, were they forced to trade disgruntled OT Jason Peters, they might not get even a first-round pick in return.
Flash forward to present time. The Bills and Peters aren't any closer to reaching a contract agreement, and with fears mounting that Peters could repeat - to a more lethal degree - his holdout from a year ago, a trade seems imminent. Graham, however, changed his tune on potential compensation during a live chat Friday:
A first-rounder and a third-rounder could get it done... I do see Peters bringing back a first-rounder. I wasn't convinced a few weeks ago, but the more people I speak with about it, the more that seems probable.
Graham also reinforced the idea that Peters would hold out when a fan asked if the Bills could force Peters to play, as the Bengals did with Chad Johnson Ochocinco:
I have the strong impression Peters doesn't care about other examples. He's doing his thing.
Finally, Graham expressed his belief that the Bills are approaching a must-trade situation with Peters:
...this situation is evolving to a point where the Bills might have no choice. This isn't a decision that hinges on who the replacement will be.
We spoke at length a little over two weeks ago about potential trade partners should Peters be traded. Now that it seems like a foregone conclusion, let's revisit the teams mentioned at that time:
Philadelphia: The Eagles aren't necessarily looking to fortify their offensive line via trade, but they've got plenty of ammo (12 draft picks), and Peters is the type of player that Andy Reid loves. Bleeding Green Nation's take
Detroit: The Lions have three picks in the top 33 selections this year, and plenty of needs. I asked Sean Yuille, lead blogger at Pride of Detroit, whether or not he thought the Lions might be potential players for Peters. His response:
I honestly don't think anything will happen. Tom Lewand basically said that the Lions want to build their team through the draft when asked about (Jay) Cutler, signaling that the Broncos obviously wanted way too much. I guess I could see Detroit giving up the #20 pick for Peters, but there is no way they would give up multiple picks (in my opinion, anyways).
St. Louis: Orlando Pace is now in Chicago, and Alex Barron is slated to start at left tackle. Ouch. Clearly, the Rams could draft a tackle with the second overall pick - but Peters might actually cost less. Still, if the Bills aren't thrilled with paying Peters top dollar, the second overall pick might not interest them. I'm inclined to remove the Rams from our original list at this point, but Peters would be a pretty big step forward in their rebuilding process.
Arizona: Mike Gandy. I don't think I need to say much more. Peters would be a good fit for Arizona's scheme, but they've got their own major player on the trade block in Anquan Boldin, which might be prohibitive to the team making a move for a veteran via trade. Scratch them as well.
Pittsburgh: We had them on the list originally, but after re-signing three linemen (Max Starks, Willie Colon and Chris Kemoeatu) and considering their general team-building philosophy, I'm thinking it was kind of ridiculous to include them in the first place.
Right now, Philadelphia and Detroit are the obvious front-runners, but they're shaky contenders at best in my book. One might be able to argue that teams like Cincinnati, Green Bay, Houston, Jacksonville, Oakland, San Francisco, Seattle, and Washington could get in on the action - but they're less likely, in my book. Feel free to speculate on potential trade partners and compensation in the comments section, but the bottom line is this - if Graham is talking to folks in the league and coming back with this information, it's nothing but good news for our Bills.
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Of the other trade partners you tossed in their, the only ones I could see making any inquiries
Would be Green Bay, Houston, Jacksonville and San Fran, all of those teams have somewhat battered or sub par lines and would probably be inclined to give up 2 picks for Jason.
I think Detroit will be our best best to get the guy. I could see us getting their 20th and their 2nd 3rd rounder they got from the Cowboys for Peters. We might chuck in a 6th to finish the deal off, but that looks to be it. Philly MIGHT make a move, but not likely.
One Wild card to keep in mind would be the Seahawks, and only because of Walter Joneses health right now. According to all reports he is on track to come back from his surgery OK right now, but if something happens between now and the draft, we might get some feelers from them.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
Im right there with you WA.
If we are going to make a deal with the Lions, lets make it a big one.
I think the Lions would be well on their way out of the basement if they made the move for Peters. They give us the 20 and the 82 for Peters and I could see this as a done deal. Hell, for that matter, we could help them and us a bit more and throw in Parrish for their 65th. That would give them the QB in stafford they need at #1, the NFL-ready LT they need to keep their rookie QB upright and they get a special teams ace/(stot wr) in Parrish to compliment big Calvin on offense.
"If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?"
~Vince Lombardi~
Detroit it is!!!
I agree with your picks. Wouldn’t it make sense for them to draft Stafford and then get an experienced LT to protect his backside. I think getting the Lions 20th overall and the second 3rd rounder.
The following are players I think will be available and happy with:
1. Rd 1 – 11th pick Oher (Ole Miss) and possibly to play RT and move Walker to LT
2. Rd 1 – 20th pick OLB or DE (Cushing, Mathews, Ayers or English)
3. Rd 2 – 42nd pick they take Unger (Oregon) or Mack (Cal) to fight Chambers for LG
4. Rd 3 – 75th pick is TE (Nelson, Casey or Coffman)
If we had any combination of the guys I have said above, I would be extremely happy. I am not sure about having possibly two rookies on the left side of the line and that is why I mentioned moving Walker over to the left side.
Not what i think or want, just something different
TE Pettigrew @ 11
OT Andre SMith @ 20
DE Michael Johnson @ 42
OG Wood @ 75
The Bills CAN win every game
Wouldn’t it be more likely that we’d take Smith at 11 and Pettigrew at 20?
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maybe
OBD might be more informed than us as to the goings on around the league….but maybe so….if we take Big Dre, than Pettigrew should slip to us before Atlanta, the first team besides B-lo to be interested
The Bills CAN win every game
After articles like this, Smith could be available much, much lower than 20th.
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
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How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?
It’s the damned comma that kills the linking
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
Wow that's a killer...
but it on;y takes one team to draft a kid. He has all the tools. Now it’s a matter of getting his head right.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 5, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless there has been a radical change since this was written, I’m very skeptical that he’ll be drafted high and it is also unlikely that he’ll sign when offered a contract that he will feel is below his worth. The kid is draft-day poison now. The risks far outweigh the potential benefits.
Forget Smith. Go with Pettigrew.
"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England
I think he will be drafted on day one...
Someone will draft him in the first or second round.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 5, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Could we send our 3rd
to Denver and get Sheffler? Or would we be better off getting Pettigrew?
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With TO and Evans and Reed
We really need a guy who is a great blocker in the run game with possession catch skills. Pettigrew fits that ticket, he already blocks well, is bigger than our defensive ends for the most part, and can only improve his already adequate pass catching. Scheffler, I don’t think fits the bill.
Re: Schouman
Ron – I don’t remember you grading Schouman out good during the season, but I know you mentioned it a few times in the off season. Did he really grade out that well? It surprises me some if he did. I just always had the impression of him as an outside TE.
And if he did grade out well as a blocker, are you perfectly content with him and Fine as blocking TEs going into the season?
It's about time for me to get off my ass and get back to writing...
As the season went on I paid more and more attention to the TEs and their blocking. I’ll have to compile the numbers (won’t be as detailed as the o-line numbers) but off the cuff I’d say that Fine is a very good to great blocking TE while Schouman is a good to very good blocking TE.
The Bills often lined up in a balanced formation, with Schouman on one end of the line and Fine on the other. One would sometimes go in motion and unbalance the line, though I don’t know that I was clever enough to note which TE was moving. Just going on memory (always dangerous) I suspect that when Schouman and Fine were on the same end of the line at the same time that Fine was generally next to the tackle. Hmmm….am I basing this on memory or just the simple logic that Buffalo was comfortable leaving Fine alone with a DE so it would make more sense to have Schouman on the extreme edge of the line?
Unfortunately, neither of them have yet proven that they’re more than a blocking TE.
A straight up
1st rounder from Philly or Detroit (or any team) and a conditional 2010 pick would be good and maybe more realistic, but a 3rd and 1st would be great…
The Bills CAN win every game
Agreed here. A 1 and a 3 still seems high to me.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 3, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats why I think a throw in of a pick from later in our draft or Roscoe might do the trick
It all depends on what Detroit really wants.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
How does Peters and #75 for #20 and #33 grab you? ‘Point-wise’ it would be equal to about the 12th pick. It’s about the same as what the Lions would likely give up to get the #11 pick. The Lions would get their QB of the future at #1, Peters and a pair of guys in the 3rd. The Bills would have #11, #20, #33 and #42 in the first 3 rounds.
Gets my attention!!!! How about Jauron's?????
Do we have to give them #75?
How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?
To make it work points wise, we have too
We might be able to buy them off with say a 4th this year and a 5th the next or something like that to make it up. Depends on how desperate the Lions are to keep their options as open as they can.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
Besides, it gives the Lions 3 picks and Peters in the first 3 rounds. That should be enough to get their 17 remaining fans fired up for another disappointing season.
Yeah, all it took for Bills fans was T.O. :-)
How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?
We could probably get an OT (11) Pettigrew or a DE (20) Mack/Unger (33) and maybe a DE/LB/Bag of Cheezy Doodles (42)?
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 3, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a whole different post. I don’t know that there are going to be many good DE options at 20 that can’t be had at 33. How would A Smith, Pettigrew, Barwin and Unger work for you?
Pretty freaking well man, pretty freaking well
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
Sold
I knew I was forgetting someone in there, Barwin would fit nicely.
…I kinda like how that would work out. Grab another O-lineman late for depth (Shipley, maybe?) and that’d fill a lot of holes.
Penn Staters belong at Penn State. The problem with a lot of kids is they just don’t know they are Penn Staters yet.
Noli nothis permittere te terere.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Apr 3, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
GW
We signed George Wilson to his 1 year 1.01 mil tender offer. Just an FYI. Glad we kept him, he’s a value asset in special teams, and provides decent depth at safety.
I haven't been able to confirm that anywhere on BB.com
where did you read it.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 4, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Found it...
http://buf.scout.com/2/853390.html
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 4, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Houston might be our team
They’re a few spots back from us, a with an emerging offence and deffence, but in need of SERIOUS help on the O-Line. I’m think that they might be a good team trade with.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 3, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions
I love spelling of offense with a c. I haven’t heard much of about the Texans, but I think you make a very good point
It’s how we spell it in Canada eh?… or I could just be an idiot that can’t spell… I’ll leave that up to you guys.
by CanadianBillsFan on Apr 3, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's to say that there is an OT left at 11?
The top 4 OT’s could be off the board by 11. Don’t now how probable it is, but it is possible. How does a Peters trade suit people then? If there is no way to get to terms, there is no way. But I wouldn’t be so sure to presume that fate will provide an awesome OT replacement just because we want it.
Although many people seem to have cut ties with Peters, or are just looking at the situation realistically, my strong preference still would be have him in a Bills uniform for the foreseeable future for the exact point you make. Who’s left at #11, or the other first round pick we get for him? How do we get the other glaring needs met? What if the rookie OT turns out to be like fat Mike? Like everybody, I’m pissed about the pace of the negotiations and stance Peters has and continues to take. But I’m willing to forgive all if he brought back into the fold and performs up to the expectations of a top 10 LT.
Until I hear otherwise, I’m foolishly holding onto hope that the negotiations will be successful in the end. However, it’s nice to know that there are many minds formulating contingency plans.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
Oher will be there at 11
How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?
how bout peters to detroit for no20 and 33.
We draft:
Andre Smith @ 11
Clay Mathews @ 20
Michael Johnson @33
Jared Cook @ 42
You had me until Jared Cook.
:-) I just don’t think Peters is worth the 20 and 33. We might not get a first and 3rd for him and now you have us getting essentially two first round picks for him. I just don’t see it happening.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 4, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I would settle for two within the first 4 picks, where ever that may be.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
Buffalo has tried settling for interior linemen for too long. It’s time to get the positions taken care of properly for the long haul.
that just means make smart choices. I have never felt that drafting a player in the top 2 picks, automatically means that they are studs. A 4th round o-lineman can help anchor this line for years.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
Brad Butler was a 5th right?
Peters was undrafted. Hangartner was a fifth if I’m not mistaken. I happen to agree with Ron that it should be addressed in the 2nd round.
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 5, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
David Diehl was a 6th, Dan Koppen was a 5th and Tony Pashos was a 6th. All 3 of those guys started their rookie years. I completely and emphatically disagree with the notion that just because a guy isn’t drafted in the first or second round, then he the long term, or even immediate answer .
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
So, you want to pin the Bills O-line hopes on a LT taken in a later round ?
You have to play the odds. What is the ratio of LTs picked in the 1st round that become starters vs LTs picked in the 5th round that become starters?
I will put it to you this way, when my son starts dating, I am going to give him a pack of extra strength Trojans, not some glow in the dark novelty item I got in the bathroom of a truck stop!
How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?
Ron said this:
Buffalo really needs an interior lineman in the first two rounds.
I said this:
I would settle for two within the first 4 picks, where ever that may be.
I want two lineman, regardless of position, period, in the first 4 rounds.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
OK.....you threw me off when you said
David Diehl was a 6th, Dan Koppen was a 5th and Tony Pashos was a 6th. All 3 of those guys started their rookie years.
How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?
and Pashos is a OT.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4631
How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?
and Koppen is a center and Diehl has played all over the line.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
I know....point is .... I got confused for a variety of reasons :-)
How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?
You were just looking for a place to talk about glow in the dark condoms.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
Ha....Ever see the movie "Skin Deep"
No….not that one…..the one with John Ritter. Not a great movie, but has a funny scene with glow in the dark condoms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5u6vm44ak&feature=related
How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?
I sent you one that I think you will enjoy.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
at work....will have to wait until later :-)
How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?
I'm not really sure......but people keep telling me I should do some?????
How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?
We will not get two 1st rd picks for Peters
reallistically a 1st and maybe at best a 3rd or something later.
How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?
Trade him or make him play out his contract
I am a broken record I know but I remain convinced that we cannot settled for anything less than a first and mid rounder.
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I agree with you in principle. However, if Buffalo doesn’t trade Peters (spite, can’t get ‘value’, etc) then the Bills have to plan for him to sit out through the summer and perhaps through week 10. The only way to prepare is to get another LT—unless OBD believes Chambers or Bell can man the LT slot for the entire season—which would require burning #11 on an OT. We can argue defense/offense/trade but we all agree that Buffalo needs something more out of that pick than a replacement for a guy who will still be on the roster.
The options appear to be pay him more than he’s worth or trade him.
His desire to be paid more than he is worth is killing his trade value
If Peters simply wants to be traded, he should let it be known he wants a trade and is willing to negotiate on his price.
How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?
Do you think Peters really cares?
Unlike Cutler, I don’t think Peters cares much if he’s playing in Buffalo or Pittsburgh or Dallas. As long as he gets his enormous deal he’ll be a happy man. He clearly doesn’t care if Buffalo gets 2 first rounders or a sack of onions for him.
Which is exactly why I think we should stomp on his sack and crush his onions!!!!!
How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?
Let's not cave in..
He is worth at least a first & a third. If we can’t get at least that in a trade, then keep him and draft a LT like Smith or Oher. If Peters wants to hold out again then fine we have someone to fill his shoes. If we take a LT at #11, I guarantee that we’ll find a trade partner after the draft. And even if we don’t, then we keep him at 3M$ for next year and then trade him next season. Sitting out would only hurt his market value because he’d be tagged as a problem “ME” player. The Bills hold all the cards here, they have a great player locked in to a contract that expires only in 2010. If he holds out for 10 games he loses the $$ so I doubt that he’d be that dumb.. He is in a very tough spot and he chose the confrontational approach to negotiating this thing so we should play hardball and get him to honor his commitment.
The cost to play hardball is not that high and the rewards are definitely worth the risk. I also hear a lot of people saying that he’d be a cancer in the locker room and I find that to be absolute crap! I remember last year when he held out, most of the team turned against him and I doubt anything would be different this time, especially since the Bills have offered him a reasonable contract upgrade and he is just too greedy.
Message to OBD: Don’t sell out short!! Hold your ground and get true value in return!
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by keysh67 on Apr 4, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The cost isn't high?
If Peters is traded or isn’t certain to show up Buffalo pretty much as to use the #11 pick on a LT. The worst case for Buffalo is keeping Peters AND using the #11 on a LT. I say that because trading Peters for a minimum of a first rounder means that Buffalo can take a LT at #11 and still address another position of need in the first round.
You can't back down to this kind of tactic by a player
You you do, why even bother going through what we did last year? We are screwed. Either way we need a new LT. If we make Peters sit, maybe someone loses a LT in preseason? Granted, 2010 picks may not help Jauron save his job, but it does give the Bills an excuse to keep him another season. Jauron’s job should be a secondary concern. The Bills FO better have the best long term interest of the team at heart. Giving away a LT like Peters is not the best course of action. If you want to win big…..you have to go “all in”.
How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?
I’m not saying OBD should back down down, particularly since Jauron and company proved last offseason that they’re not about to do that. I am saying that Buffalo is in a terrible position if no one offers real value for Peters in a trade. It would be a waste to use the #11 pick on an OT with Peters on the roster.
If we have to replace Peters anyway, it is not a waste
Think of it as money in the bank earning “interest”. Plus, if the Bills are in a position to move on without him, it puts the Bills in a better position in dealing with Peters and other teams. If he decided to hold out 10 games before playing, we could make him play RT or even Guard. We will take a hit in this years draft by not having another pick(s), but in the long run I think the Bills will come out ahead.
How important does a person have to be before they are considered assassinated instead of just murdered?
Peters and Parrish
We have a stable of receivers. Parrish is great on special teams but he does not help alot on offense. Peters is not got to be an asset to the Bills unless he is gone.
Trade Peters and Parrish to Detroit for their 20th and 33rd picks
11 – Andre Smith – OT
20 – Cushing – OLB
33 – Barwin – DE
42 – Robinson – OG
3rd round – TE – Casey, Coffman, or Ingram
That would be a great draft.
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I don’t think Parrish would be close to enough to escalate a 3 to a 2 from Detroit.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 4, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
especially not number 33.
Parrish is worth a fifth rounder? Somewhere near there right?
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by MattRichWarren on Apr 5, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
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